How to Install Sonoma on a 2012 MacBook Pro

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Another year another OS on the 2012 MBP. In this video I show you how to install Sonoma on a 2012 MacBook Pro
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@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Have you tried this upgrade yet? If so, how is it working for you?

@leroyreynolds5472 6 месяцев назад

Just finished, and it is running flawlessly so far. Mid-2012 MacBook Pro 15" 2.6 GHz i7. Your tutorial was so simple to follow. Thank you so much. Cheers!

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

@@leroyreynolds5472 That's excellent, I'm really happy it worked for you and thank you for letting me know!

@JonTrott 6 месяцев назад

Did do this a while back, which meant I ran into some issues here and there until I got the latest OCLP version (1.2.1 as of my comment). Works great. I have it running on both 13" 2012 mbps and 15" 2012 mbps. Insanely, I also put it on an old buster 2009 15" mbp w/ cheap 256 ssd. It is slow there, but still quite usable for everyday.

@themiz1985 5 месяцев назад

This was a smooth and easy guide. Thanks for your tutorial. My macbook working great so far. Thanks

@SHOOTBYEDEN 5 месяцев назад

Does it work with 4GB ram ?

@glennpaulmusic 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for making these! I was at the Mac store recently and am really putting off upgrading my trio of 2012. These Videos are great!

@elsatanyakaneshi3321 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much for this video, having ADHD made other videos difficult to follow but yours was completely easy to follow along with when it came to updating my 2012 iMac. Happy New Year!

@AnthonySmith-vc9yk 2 месяца назад

Been looking to upgrade my 2012 MBP and came across your page. Watched a video last night, bought some new components and I’m giving this a go tonight, can’t wait

@tpt1don 2 месяца назад

I have a 2012 macbook pro. I installed a 1tb samsung ssd this morning then spent the afternoon installing Sonoma. Your video was excellent. It works great! Thank you so much!

@simondavidhunter4430 6 месяцев назад

Sincere thanks. MBP 2012 had my fav keyboard and thanks to you it’s back in action.

@CosmicMyst 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this! I bought this same MacBook Pro a couple years back to learn more about the Mac OS and just never got around to using it. Just finally bought an ssd upgrade for it and got the ram to 8gb from the 4gb it came with and decided to try the patcher for the first time. Was a lot more streamlined than I thought and a super easy process. This thing still runs great considering it's age

@yohanesmangitung 2 месяца назад

Hi Steve, your tutorial works flawlessly! I just installed Sonoma on my 2012 Macbook Pro. Thank you and keep up the good work!!!

@LGDoc 4 месяца назад

Thank you. I was considering buying a new MacBook Pro until I came across your video. Your instructions were on point and easy to follow.

@Hammyfidel77 4 месяца назад

I have been following your videos for over a year now. I followed your instructions and upgraded may Mid 2012 MacBook Pro to a 500GB SSD and a 16GB. RAM, It was smooth installing the Ventura on it and then I made a switch from the 2012 MacBook to the 2016 MacBook Pro and here I am about to install the sonama, Your instructions are very precise and clear and that's why I am confident this will be a success. I will drop an update as soon as I'm done install sonama.

@An_Ordained_Crone 5 месяцев назад

You are appreciated, for doing what you do! But please be aware my friend had trouble finding the open core gui because they are in a drop down titled “ASSETS” not in plain view… and since i had to go look and point it out, i thought id mention it here just in case she isnt the only one struggling with that.

@lovingermckeown3386 6 месяцев назад

Thank you sooooo much Mr. Eevnos. I have installed and it works perfect. Thank you!!! Writing this comment on my 2012mbp with this new Sonoma Os.

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Excellent! I’m very happy it worked for you!

@DNGRNDL 6 дней назад

Thank you, thank you! My 2012 macbook pro was recently returned to me, and found your video in the process of upgrading the ram and installing a SSD. Really fun project and very much excited to have this machine back and see what all I can do with it!

@mbgraham2000 Месяц назад

Hi -- jusst followed your instuctions to get Sonoma on my MBP 2012. Everything worked the first time. Thanks for the video.

@allinonechannel2522 5 месяцев назад

Thanks a lot mr. @Eevnos you are great i made my MBP (2012) just like new as you described on vedio Woking flawlessly i can't believe dude thank again

@Eevnos 5 месяцев назад

That's excellent, I'm glad to hear it! Thanks for letting me know!

@Juca1943 4 месяца назад

Fantastic!!! I just followed the process you provided and the installation was perfect! Thanks, and Congrats!!!

@Eevnos 4 месяца назад

You’re welcome, I’m very glad it worked for you!

@megayume 6 месяцев назад

Thanks to you, I just updated my MacBook Pro 2012 to Sonoma to use the continuity camera and it works ! (even when the built-in webcam was broken years ago) 😅

@ParulDhalla 6 месяцев назад

Really!!? Lemme check on mine!

@ParulDhalla 6 месяцев назад

Oh man it works like a charm!

@kbarnes0 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for your tutorials! I have only 1 MacBook, It is the 2012 pro with a dual core i5. I upgraded the ram to 16 GB, and the drive to a Samsung evo 500 GB ssd. Using your guided tutorial I now have Mac OS Sonoma running great on this machine which has allowed me to install the latest upgraded apps. Keep up the great videos! Now, if only I could upgrade the Processor to a i7.

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

That's great news, I'm really good that you found it helpful and that it worked for you!

@ParulDhalla 6 месяцев назад

On the same boat @kbarnes0 thanks a million @Eevnos! Wasn’t able to run Numbers & Pages app on the Catalina that’s most important thing I needed the laptop for !!

@frankarias98 5 месяцев назад

how does safari works on a MacBook Pro mid 2012 using Sonoma? And does it get hotter than catalina?@@ParulDhalla @Eevnos

@Alex2OC 3 месяца назад

Same Thing here but I replaced the harddrive With a 1TB HDD and build a own Fusion Drive

@DigitalIndiaJunior Месяц назад

Did you able to install Xcode latest 15 in it ?

@fahmi8999 6 месяцев назад

Finally! I have successfully upgrade my Macbook Pro 13" Mid 2012. Thank you for your guidance.

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Excellent! I’m so happy that it worked for you!

@JM67877 5 месяцев назад

Typing this from a 2012 MBP on macOS Sonoma 14.2.1, thanks for making this video. Now I have a good computer for school!

@Swahili1 4 месяца назад

is it good? and does it lag or run smooth?

@danielanaya6145 21 день назад

how does it run does it crash by chance i want to do this to my macbook but don’t know the risks

@boryskalin1399 4 месяца назад

Great stuff followed all of your steps now I don’t need to get a new laptop. Thank you 💯.

@granville-hamlinhouse6132 28 дней назад

I followed every step exactly. It got a little rough during the file extraction with an error message saying the software update couldn’t be completed. But I kept rebooting and now I have Sonoma 14.5 installed on my 2012 MacBook Pro! Thank you so much!!

@emilianohasan 28 дней назад

I have the same error you rebooted with the usb flash? which option you selected? thanks!

Месяц назад

Woow, it works! Finally I can install Sonoma on my 2012 Macbook Pro Thank you for your videos!

@airoplanegaming4754 5 месяцев назад

Thanks ❤ took me half day to do it but finally successfully done it thanks man

@Macoroni227 5 месяцев назад

flawless install. thank you for your research and video !

@labladycooks5793 Месяц назад

Thanks for the excellent tutorial! My 2012 mbp is like new again. I still have 4 gbs of memory but I upgraded to 1 tb ssd storage so it was still fast. The reason why I want to upgrade is because of the continuity feature with iphone. Because of you I saved myself from spending 1300$.

@spaceship4018 4 месяца назад

Wow Amazing thank you for the tips and the tutorial! Very well done.

@MrYughurta 4 дня назад

I can't believe it is working great on my 2012 MacBook pro! Thank you very much !

@threenetra5544 6 месяцев назад

I am also MBP 2012 user n installed sonoma on MBP 2012… Thanks a lot for helping us.. 👍👍

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

You’re welcome!

@fuji8249 6 месяцев назад

What size ssd card do you have installed on your mac?

@threenetra5544 6 месяцев назад

500gb

@njdriving 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this, hopefully able to extend the life a bit more since this 10+ year old MBP that is only used for web games.

@ddong9004 14 дней назад

Thank you for your video. Following your instructions, I successfully installed macOS 14.5 Sonoma on my Mac Pro (2012 mid). I really appreciate it.

@MrYughurta 7 дней назад

Is it as fast as Catalina ?

@ddong9004 6 дней назад

@@MrYughurta Since my graphics card is a GeForce GTX 680 2G, it's not that fast, even though the system is upgraded. I think it should be better after switching to a rx 6900 xt.

@MJPGuitar 4 месяца назад

Thanks you saved me needing to buy a new Mac for college. 2012 MBP dual core i5 with 16GB ram and SSD.

@aienp 6 месяцев назад

You're the GOAT for this, thanks :)

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much!

@kuwainguljar9776 5 месяцев назад

Amazing video I used my external hard drive instead of a USB and it worked wonderful

@nelbn 5 месяцев назад

Did you have to wipe it out?

@VladimirShabani 5 месяцев назад

Of course@@nelbn

@vidpic8311 4 месяца назад

Me too the USB stick sucked on 2 different ones I had to format drive but it went really fast on USBc drive Vs Lame SD card ... Those SD are not trustworthy...

@byaheronglocal8332 3 месяца назад

just same on the ventura nice using the same macbook .. just upgraded to ventura yesterday

@tahaahmed3368 6 месяцев назад

you a good man I did not try yet but I'm sure you saying and doing the right in easy way

@topunixfan5501 Месяц назад

Thanks! Wonderful tutorial ❤

@juanasepulveda 5 дней назад

It took me a while but I made it. THANK YOU SO MUCH. God bless you

@MrOctober586 13 дней назад

This was amazing thank you very much!

@blinddog1212 3 месяца назад

Very helpful walkthrough, thank you! Is any additional patching needed for system updates or do they just install seamlessly (same way they would on a supported Macbook)? I am researching this as an option to breathe new life into my dad's 2012 MBP but wanted to make sure it wouldn't be too much of a maintenance nightmare for him. Thanks again!

@jssstephenson 6 месяцев назад

First of all welcome back we haven't seen a video from you in a while other than the one you posted the other day first time in a while. Second what is Sonoma? The only time I think of Sonoma is the retailer and Warehouse Williams-Sonoma and can it also be used on a windows laptop?

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, I had some personal stuff to take care of this year, but I'm back now.. thanks for sticking around! Sonoma is the newest version of MacOS.

@mrlennybruce 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the video! Very nicely made and easy to follow. I had installed Big Sur using this process, but I had no idea it worked for Sonoma as well. But I remember that with Big Sur, the recovery partition wasn't accessible, and turning off SIP was next to impossible. That is required to install some necessary software. Do you happen to know about this / have any ideas?

@juannegrete4029 4 месяца назад

Also worth mentioning not only can you boot and run it from a thumb drive but you can first partition your hard drive for you to anytime boot the originally supported OS and your new OS and if you have it like me I have another partition on my intel Mac for Bootcamp. (if you do this you may need cloud or large hard drive; I use both one drive, iCloud, and USB drives.

@user-vw5gw6du3s 4 месяца назад

Another Great Video. i recently obtained this exact macbook and intend to use it for garage band, and backing up my cd collection to itunes/music. Never used a Mac before so your content is greatly appreciated. Does the optical drive still work under Sonoma? Also do security updates still auto install when using an OS on an un-supported system? Thanks In Advance.

@MrJFMH 3 месяца назад

Thank you very much! Great Video🤙

@bfernandez615 5 месяцев назад

I did some other RU-vidrs Sonoma step by step and idk what happened that my MacBook 2012 just stopped working as in my wifi didn’t want to connect anymore Update I did your step by step and my computer is working thank you so much 😊 for this video

@hamzaeldahrawy1370 5 месяцев назад

So I did this way but I have the same problem you had with the wifi so what did u do differently?

@hamzaeldahrawy1370 5 месяцев назад

And please please do u know how I can get back my old system if I can’t fix this because I’m in need to get it back running asap pls reply

@bfernandez615 5 месяцев назад

@@hamzaeldahrawy1370 o rewatched this RU-vid video and saw everything step by step and redid everything.. make sure when you reboot it you press on to the option key he mentions it in the video..

@hamzaeldahrawy1370 5 месяцев назад

@@bfernandez615 rn my max can’t connect to the internet and the wallpaper is white I already deleted the older Mac OS so how do I repeat

@valouchep559 Месяц назад

Up How did you do it ? I am stuck because it doesn't work with the wifi ( connected but doesn't acces internet) and i can't really do anything else

@wormwood70 6 месяцев назад

Amazing that we can use our old MBP. Ty😂

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, I love the fact that we can still keep these things running!

@DarkWhite1 6 месяцев назад

Did an in-place upgrade from Catalina with a bootcamp Windows 10 partition. Everything worked straight away and Windows partition untouched. EDIT: You can also update to 14.2 through software update. After a few reboots the loader will hang, just reboot in safe mode (holding shift) log in, and let it finish, then go back in through safe mode and rerun the root patcher.

@mrcatslobber 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this!

@KingGoomie 6 месяцев назад

Thank You Again Your The Man.

@Juos10kustu 3 месяца назад

thanks! this video is very very very nice!!!

@TeeJayDeluxe 2 месяца назад

I have a MacBook Pro 2012 and an iMac intel core 2 running Lion 😂 was considering saving up for a new Mac but I’ll try this first and see how we go

@umershehzad7579 4 месяца назад

Thanks alot that helps alot in installation process just want ask if we don't format our internal SSD HD does it work properly or we have to make changes at the time of installation!!!...

@vidpic8311 4 месяца назад

Now that I have the external boot disk can I install this on another computer or do I have to go through the entire process for the other laptop? Thank you so much for sharing this video it worked great on my iMac 2017-18, 1 now I'm going to try this on a 2009 MacBook pro ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@tomashernandez9084 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much SR!!!!

@karenea3577 Месяц назад

Omg, thank you so much!!!!

@richiespeed3565 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much I have done four of my computers so far successful with each one you have a gift you talk nice and clear and you know how to explain things very well to make it easy for someone to do this install some other people out there they mean well they try to teach you how to do the same thing you're teaching people but they talk too fast or they're too vague and it makes doing this a little bit difficult your way nice and smooth thank you very much I've already sent your link out to a few other people so they can do it take care have a good New Year

@wetwoodchuck 6 месяцев назад

You the man! Thank you.

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

You're welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting!

@italotchaikowsky7661 5 месяцев назад

friend, thank you very much for the video. I would like to know if I can update the system normally through Settings or is there another procedure to perform the update?

@nadk666 2 месяца назад

Thanks so much!

@TheNewArtSchool 3 месяца назад

Great video! After installing Sonoma my 1tb SSD, 16gb ram Mac book pro mid 2012 had the fans on 6200 rpm permanently. This method works perfectly but the machine is not able to handle Sonoma.

@HQsalomon 18 дней назад

Hi guys, excellent video, question: it is extremely necessary an SSD for this?

@claudiaprivileggio1862 5 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for your Tutorals! I'm about to install Sonoma on a 2015 MacBook Pro i7 16GB Ram. The reason I need to is because final cut is not compatible with Monterey 12.7. I would like to ask you if you know if Final cut will operate smoothly on Sonoma installed this way.

@MrJhorel22 6 месяцев назад

super thank you sir.. at first i had a problem in the middle of installing minor glitches but when i restarted my macbook viola.... super thank you thank you sir... in return of appreciation i subscription to your channel like the video... and i have a friend i know who wants to upgrade like i do definitely I would recommend your channel... 🙏🙇‍♂️ universe will bless you sir.. super

@Reiza 4 месяца назад

It was beautiful and works wiith 4gb ram (I’m impatience my 16gb hasnt come yet) Thank you kind sir

@williamnelson5487 19 дней назад

Thank you!

@ZiggyWarren 4 месяца назад

Excellent video, I have the same specifications on my 2012 MacBook Pro, running Catalina OS. If I perform the same upgrade, would I lose Logic Pro X in the process?

@Llyrana7 4 месяца назад

Before you install anything: run a complete TIMEMASHINE BACKUP or clone your bootdrive on a second HDD/SSD before you do a update !!! With every new version of Mac OS you will loose some of the supporting for older Software… And with this install method your HDD/SSD will be wiped. So your way is: 1. BACKUP, BACKUP AND BACKUP YOUR Drive 2. make the install USB Stick and install Opencore and the update 3. feel the slowness of Sonoma on 2008/2009/2010/2011 Mac’s with core2duo/i5 For this Mashines is Monterey the best idea to run „moderate“. Every better OS slows down this old mashines and software (like maps/tv or the prime tv app) will not work anymore because of the missing Metal support of the hardware. That Sonoma runs on this old mashines does not mean, that you can use them without loud Cooling fans, hot running CPU and after a click sometimes you can go to the kitchen, brew tea ore make a coffee and after drinking the cup the program is loaded… To use Sonoma a Mac 2013 (or better) is required and recommended…

@vaishnavikushwaha8975 4 месяца назад

Thanks u so much sir ❤❤❤❤

@aid4heaven 5 месяцев назад

very helpful

@terrygeorge777 5 месяцев назад

Hi there, great video, I have striped Raid0 partition on my laptop, was just wondering if there are any different steps involved in doing this upgrade. Also at what stage do I restore from time machine? many thanks

@terrygeorge777 2 месяца назад

@eevnos any chance you know this answer?

@Unknown44275 Месяц назад

thanks bro this work i had to get a usb man

@leonardorochatorres3142 6 месяцев назад

aaaaa thanks man!

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

You're welcome.

@serendipidy 3 месяца назад

perfect video. thanks. i have a question i have an imac from 2012 and a macbook pro from 2012, the macbook pro has the drive erased. can i create the opencore startup disk on my imac with sonoma and then install the created startup usb on my macbook or is the opencore installer linked to my imac and the imac components? so basically then i would have to first install the standard os mountain lion on my macbook pro that came with laptop, then create the installer on my mackbook and then boot from that installer. better way would be to use the installer i created on my imac.

@emilianohasan 28 дней назад

you can but you have to choose the right model of your macbook on the settings of opencore patcher if you are doing from another computer

@lespaul667 5 месяцев назад

Great video, thank you! Would you happen to know if it's possible for this install to support the Mid 2012 15" i7 2.7ghz quad core (non retina, 16GB RAM and 1TB OWC SSD) with Nvidia GeForce GT 650M 1GB and Airport wireless that's in the computer? I have the 13" 2 core as well, but the 15" quad machine is so much quicker there's no comparison. Thank you!

@bereal1251 Месяц назад

Thanks for the video I’m running open core on my MacBook Pro with Big Sur it’s giving me the option to update will I be able with out making a new boot flash drive thanks again

@abdelrahman8849 4 месяца назад

You are king !!

@paranoidandroid5970 6 месяцев назад

pertamax gan... I also mbp 2012 user,, thanks

@petersparkz 6 месяцев назад

Hey, Good day, Great tutorial... so the previous and then this one. Been following each step and I noticed that the patch could only upgrade me to Mojave. My system is a MBP mid2014. How can I get it to upgrade to any of the higher OS - at least something about 11 or above? HELP, Please 🙏🏾

@user-px8fw9ws6b 4 месяца назад

After a little bit of perseverence I was able to successfully install Sonoma on my 2012 MBP running Monterey. I had originally thought I could just click on the Update to Sonoma offered under the settings, but I did receive an error message when I tried to do that.

@MysterSer333 3 месяца назад

Do I have to have open core installed on the MacBook I'm using? or can I use my other computer to create the usb drive and just load from that?

@classicmartini 6 месяцев назад

G'day from Sydney ;-)

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

Hello from the US!

@giverriver 4 дня назад

Should I be able to do this process from Catalina? I’ve seen your video from Catalina to Monterey. Just wondering if you thought I could skip Monterey and go Catalina to Sonoma?

@hotstuff3243 6 месяцев назад

I have a mid2012 MacBook with Ventura. Do you recommend doing a fresh install to Sonoma of can I just upgrade directly from Ventura?

@Eevnos 6 месяцев назад

I always recommend a fresh install. It’s a lot less likely for something to go wrong. Either way, make sure you do a backup first.

@steveharrington4714 4 месяца назад

@Eevnos Could I use this process to install Sonoma to an external SSD and run from there? I was able to do that for Catilina etc. I have a 2012 MacBook Pro BTW.

@jcalbadan8742 15 дней назад

Hey thank you for your video but I’m stuck after rebooting my Mac it keeps back and for like 10 times 😢 and I can’t continue doing the installation what do you suggest?

@user-et2wi1nw2h 4 месяца назад

Hey bro Your video is too good I have 13 inch MacBook Pro mid 2012 model is MacBook pro 9,2 on at 10.8.5 version When I open App Store App Store always show (cannot connect to the internet) so I watch your video this is very helpful video but when I open opencore 1.3 latest Software show deleted icon Plz help me to upgrade my mac thanks advance

@user-jz1fg7mo1w 6 месяцев назад

Hello! Does the thumb drive has to be blank for the installer? How much storage will it need for the thumbdrive? Thanks!

@maro73ful 6 месяцев назад

Hello, I installed macOS Sonoma on MacBook 2017r. What is the case with future updates? Standard, or how?

@chelle315 24 дня назад

Hi! Thanks for the tutorial! The process was flawless until I got to Disk Utility. Formatting the internal SSD will erase everything.... will all my files transfer over to Sonoma or is this a fresh install?

@baj39 3 месяца назад

I did a time machine backup of my SSD on an external drive and did a clean install of Sonoma as per instructions. How Can I retrieve my backed up files (less Catalina program files of course) and re-install on the new Sonoma OS? Thanks for any guidance .

@JoseFerreira-ih1po 5 месяцев назад

Merci Boss

@oceaneco1 2 месяца назад

Will this upgrade support Safari? I have the mid 2012 MBP core i7 with updated SSD and 16gb Ram. I have been running High Sierra with Chrome and would like to step foot into the present again. This MBP runs so good. I can't afford a newer one at the moment. Plus I like being able to work on my computer myself when something needs to be replaced.

@grkok2984 5 месяцев назад

Hello and thanks for the super guide, but I have a little problem...have a Macbook Pro 9.2, when I restart with the Option button, only OS Sonoma bot install appears, I don't have an option for EFI Boot /Sonoma...also can't take off SPI when I reboot with Option + R... any solution?

@guillermomartino4345 Месяц назад

Hii quick question which option should I use if i wanted to maintain the photos and documents in my drive?, thanks!

@techbot360 6 месяцев назад

@Eevnos i am already dowload copy link option then then i was dowload manualy in browser so how can i get the installer its says no instaler in application when i tap use existing macos instaler

@jblbasstesterxd1935 6 месяцев назад

When my laptop booted into the new software. and booting in the usb drive. the open core patcher doesn’t show up when i boot the laptop up. and the open core isn’t in any of the files. And the wallpaper doesn’t show up. i have to manually set the wallpaper

@frankjay6533 3 месяца назад

hi, please can you do this macOS 10.7.5 straight to either ventura or sonoma?

@raflyramandani12 6 месяцев назад

If i have mbp 2012 with ventura oclp, it could update from software update to sonoma? Or need to install from oclp again?

@khaliddooran3002 5 месяцев назад

thanks 4 de tutorial, it's so easy to do n your are the GOAT. I'm installing sonoma on my MBP 2015 13" with OCLP 1.3.0 the lates version at the time. Alhamdulillah, all praise for Allah, it goes nice n smooth. Picking picture frome iphone, air drops n facetime all okay. But my favorite sites on safari from my monterey is'n there although I'm login with my apple ID. maybe you can help me for this. thank you very much.

@frankjerke 6 месяцев назад

Please Help - I installed Ventura on my iMac 27 late 2013, but mire firewire interface is only supported to catalina. So I need to install Catalina over Ventura to get my hardware working again. Unfortunatly with the patcher the oldest version showing up to install is Big Sur. How can I install Catalina on an older iMac late 2013 with the Patcher? Thanks and best wishes from Berlin