I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ru-vid.comUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I totally agree with Jess why wouldn't you expect a fairly expensive specific tool to do the job it is labeled to do without to much additional effort. Stay safe and keep up the great videos.
I expect Weight is the issue. For a nail gun to replace the contribution of the operator, it would probably need to be heavier. So that when the nail is forced into the timber, the reaction is countered by mere gravity. That’s probably *too* much weight.
@@frankblack1481 But most nails are driven horizontally. Weight would provide inertia. But one of the best nail guns was the pneumatic, which was the lightest.
I recently switched to a Milwaukee and I absolutely love it. I’m a renovations carpenter so we don’t always need a nail gun but when we do I love how easy and convenient it is to just grab the gun and go. I will say though, there is no battery or gas gun on the market that is as light and can shoot as fast/ consistent a good quality pneumatic nailer.
Just bought a 15 ga milwaukee gun. Company has a few and just had to have my own I loved it so much. Perfect for nailing pvc trim. No hose and very consistent strikes.
I’m a framer up here in Canada and I’ve had experiences with all of these as well except the Airbow of course. Started off with air powered nailers and still use them for building walls and things that use a lot of nails. They are by far the fastest and the cordless ones are just too slow for walls. For floor joists and trusses I prefer cordless, started with the paslode but was very inconsistent, it just needed too much maintenance. Switched over to Hitachi, I loved it but the once winter rolled around it would not work. Next was Dewalt since most of our tools are dewalt. You get used to the motor and it’s a good nailer (shitty hook though) but nailing into lvl or through gussets causes it to jam and after a couple times it requires maintenance. It worked great in the winter though. I now have a Milwaukee and it’s by far the heaviest but also the fastest of the cordless and the most powerful. Haven’t used it in the winter yet but some buddies of mine have it as well and have had no problems.
Quite common that people don’t set the tools correctly. The Dewalt has two settings for power. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails. In bump mode, the power is lower with respect to sequential mode.
Regardless they are shit. I have dozens of great DeWalt tools which I love, but you couldn't pay me to use their nailers, or track saw, or planer. M18 track saw with DeWalt battery, M18 nailers with DeWalt batteries, makita grease gun and planer with DeWalt batteries. No loyalty to any brand, will not knowingly buy bad or non-best tools just because of the battery. Luckily all the high vibration stuff adaptors are no good on are great tools in DeWalt. DeWalt batteries are the best. M18 second. Have 4 CEENR packs in the mail for the non DeWalt tools too.
Hi Scott, Senco was my first and has been my only framing gun, using an air line and it weighs a ton. But it shoots through anything. That was over 20 years ago now and it just keeps going, I oil each day and I've only had serviced once. Love your vid's Thank you and Jess for all the work. Cheers
Same. Serviced once. Still going strong. Farking heavy. Every time I use someone else's Paslode, I have problems with it. I have been looking at them for decades but am yet to be convinced. I think they were about two grand when they first came out.
Thanks for this video. I have always wondered about the different styles of nailers. As a novice woman builder I loved that Jess tried it out. Her reaction was similar to what I feel mine would be.
I really don't think her reaction is unreasonable for anyone. they're very loud and sound like they can hurt you, because, well, they really can. My brother had a similar, just slightly more reserved reaction to mine. She's also not wrong that the milwaukee is HEAVY. I use mine only occasionally, and the lack of a compressor makes the milwaukee nailer make sense for me, but if I used a nail gun all day, every day, the cordless compressor/good pneumatic gun combo would be my recommendation. Don't beat up your body trying to be macho in this trade, it's great you're a woman builder, my daughter may very well join you in that title one day, but take care of your body, plenty of guys ruin theirs doing this.
Great video I'm in the US and DeWalt was kind of the first battery powered framing nailers got one loved it I do a lot of small things so if I don't have to drag out a compressor hose and a cord I'm happy got there 15 gauge angled nailer love it and I've got all the air guns too but like I said most of my stuff is small so it's nice not having to drag out a compressor
This is super interesting because in the U.S. we still use pneumatic guns mainly. And honestly if you can afford a compressor and the gun I would highly recommend them. Max framer, Hikoki, Senco, Paslode, Etc. All make fantastic guns that are fairly cheap compared to what you can build with them. I do currently own the milwaukee battery gun for little jobs like you said. But at the end of the day you just can't beat the pneumatics yet. Maybe when they shave the weight off the battery guns they could become the main nailers.
I talked to building framing contractors working on the housing development we bought in. They all have 5 or 6 pneumatic nailers but in cold weather they usually have a few in for repairs. Ice buildup in the cold weather breaks the head mechanism. I have seen more battery units this fall (2022) so I am guessing that is the new trend.
@@normferguson2769 Ya the cold is super hard on the peumatics but the battery guns struggle as well from my experience. Batterys are not fond of the cold.
All of my framing guns are 30 years old. I bought Paslode when they first came out here in the U.S. I tried to give it away recently, without luck. At least with a compressor you can up the pressure and get nails to sink properly. Gas-battery guns came out in the last couple years of my contacting career. Very handy, but weak as all-around tools on a typical job site. Having a gun on your hip with a synthetic tank of compressed air seems like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, all of the projects I'm involved in, which isn't a lot, frankly, are put together with fancy-dancy screws that are designed to be seen (the heads, at least). The biggest problem with nail guns, if you screw up something, and have to pull out all of the nails you peppered your work with, you'll be swearing up a storm afterwards, whereas if you screwed the work together, taking those speciality screws out of the wood is easy-peasy.
When you showed the Dewalt failing to sink nails into the LVL you had it on the '1' setting which is the low power setting for soft wood / short nails to save battery. Its still not the best nailgun but it is by far the cheapest non air option as its usually 550-600 ish with battery and charger and seems to work fine in my experience.
Ok Scott -as requested 2 points. 1. the best burgers are grilled on an open flame preferably over a charcoal "barbie". 2. Here in California, "old school" contractors like myself mostly use the Hitachi stick nailer (compressor) for new construction (I don't mind the hose) & I'm seeing a lot more of the battery powered nailers showing up on interior remodels. Over the last few years, I've been switching my battery powered drivers to Milwaukee so I would say that is the brand to buy for a framing nailer & your video confirms that it is the most powerful especially driving into LVL's which are being used to a greater extent everyday. On a completely different note- your video's make me anxious to take a vacation back down there. My brother lives in Nelson now, but in the mid to late 80's he was in Wellington and i moved there to work for Hawkins- 1st on a building for the Ministry of Education out in Lower Hutt & then as the the Project Manager on a new Domestic Terminal for ANZ at the Wellington Airport.
Hi there Scott. I appreciate the continuous videos and educational aspect tied into them. From my experience in NY, I learned carpentry framing starting out using an air nailer. It is my more preferred nailer as it is a bit lighter, I am comfortable with it, am able to use the hose to lower/raise the gun if working from heights and feel it is reliable. I suppose it is a case by case basis and is an overall good practice to have a variety. For example, if you only need to nail something off quick, a battery nailer I could see myself using. Keep up the good work Scott!
I can really appreciate the effort you go to with your videos. They’re such good quality with your filming and editing. I don’t know how you find time to do it? You must be none stop working. I’ve only made a small handful of videos and I struggle finding time for that and they are poor in comparison to yours. So hats off to you Scott well done!
My professional carpenter career was in the 1980s. I started and finished with a Hart California framing hammer with the axe handle driving vinyl coated sinkers into Doug Fir studs. I turned 60 this week and feel like "PrimitivePete"
I have the 36v new Metabo HPT framing nailer and that slaps harder than Will Smith. I am very curious about makitas 40v framing nailer. Hopefully Tools and Stuff Will have some news soon
+1 on a Makita, but 18v! 😊 I’m using the Hitachi 18v, now Hikoki. On 2.0E LVL in Canada it does extremely well even with galvanized ring shank nails. Granted mine has surely shot fewer nails than yours has. The Hikoki is quite a bit cheaper than the Milwaukee in Canada as well, so that’s something, but if you’re already on team Red that’s the one that makes sense. It’s no surprise Milwaukee “nailed it” after benchmarking the Hitachi for what, 4 years? 😊
Makita opened the door to Milwaukee for tools by not having a nail gun. I may have gone and bought some of their 20V platform if they had that or stuck with the 18V platform entirely. But because I needed a framing nailer and Milwaukee's are so damned nice I now have one of those and 2 of their batteries plus a charger. And anyone who uses tools knows that the battery platform you are invested in dictates the brand of tools you buy. I now have both platforms.
I 'retired' in March 2021 knowing that I had about twenty years of significant projects and property / house maintenance that I needed to do, including 50+ metres of wooden fences that needed to be replaced, as well as some building work that was going to involve framing etc. I also wanted an air compressor in my workshop. Up until now I had most recently gone down the DeWalt path with my battery tools. The DeWalt nailer did not have very good reviews so I initially purchased the Hikoki battery version. I realised really quickly that it is quite weighty for my aged shoulders, though better balanced than the DeWalt. Thankfully I was able to return it, and purchase the compressed air version. As most of my work is going to be on the one site, that works, and I am much happier with the weight of it. I have about 50 metres of air hose.
What a trooper Jess is. Also such a definitive point she made about the machine working hard. Either way I can't afford one, so it's a an arm extension for with a finely tuned lump of metal for me🔨
I started out with a pneumatic nail gun at school but as a self employed carpenter without a drivers license that was not an option any more and I hated the bloody hose that other people tripped on or got in the way so I bought a Ryobi nailer as that was the only one I could afford but that one had issues with the "firing pin" (pin that hit the nails to fire). after it breaking twice without me doing anything wrong I did not have a nailer for a couple months and then through a lot of luck with a apprentice ship they bought me a new milwaukee battery nailer and that thing is just heaven. it works when ever you need it, rarely jams and yes it is heavy but it gets the job done and it has the most satisfying sound i ever heard.
I only do stuff renovating at home, so i have the hikoki air nailer, and just love it. It is the most powerful nailer on the market according to the project farm youtube channel, is ridiculously light, and always fires nails in fully with very little effort.
I use pneumatic nailers - the hose and compressor is a small price to pay for the power and low purchase price of the nailers. I picked up a 3 gun combo from Bunnings (Ryobi Airwave set, came with a framing nailer, finishing nailer and a stapler) for $299 and they've been great tools. That's less than half the price for a single battery nailer.
@@DiscoFang well yes, if you don't already have one. I already had one for my mechanics air tools. But even so, a compressor is versatile - air tools, nailers, spray guns, pumping up tyres or sports balls.
Hello Scot and Jess, Hose nail gun Makita, still got it. Then got a paslode and now I own a Hikoki, love the Hikoki just a little loud. Awesome vids I watch every week!!
I've got the DeWalt, mainly as I've bought into that system, and it was cheap 2nd hand. Have found it's powerful enough for most jobs once you learn how to use it. You have to let it ramp up enough, but not too much, and press down a bit. And the first few fires after an extended holiday are always weak, as if the friction wheel/plate needs to condition. After a few fires it's ready for hard woods. I use it with 5AH batteries as that's what I have.
The Dewalt has two power settings settings. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. Sequential has more power than bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails.
I've been a carpenter for 3 years now in the states working on remodels and such. Having used Milwaukee fuel products all my career this far it makes so much sense to get the m18 nailer for when you need to frame something for not too long and don't need to pull an air compressor out. plus their warranty policy is fantastic. i can deal with the weight as long as if im not framing all day
I agree with Jess the overall best performer is Milwaukee framer, it works perfect for our reno work we do nailing into old pine and native timber. We also have the Paslode and Hikoki and an air Frame-Pro. I also used Paslode, Hikoki and air Paslode finishing guns but the best one is my recently purchased 15g Milwaukee angle brader, that thing is awesome.
@@gkoshinsky the Milwaukee framer has been good. Had the gun for about 1 1/5 years but don't use it all the time just when we need the power. The Milwaukee finisher is only about 1 month old. But I did need to get both Hikoki guns regassed under warranty.
DHG here, thanks for another great vid, Scott brown. I have the DeWalt and all my other battery tools are DeWalt so I'm stuck with it. however,I've found it to be good so far.
Hi there, Awesome Framers (just North of here, and another great channel) did a review where it pretty much boiled down to: weight. Fair enough, especially if you are framing out a house and that is what you are setting up for then a hundred billion nells later and the weight is all there is. I am tooled up with Milwaukee batteries, and am not a framer, so their framing neller was an obvious choice when I am doing remodel and etc. I have their 18g, the 18g stapler (put up a t&g cedar ceiling with it) and the 21g pin gun which all are quick and easy for finish/trim carpentry; the huge advantage for me is I still don't have or need a compressor. Yes a big bang when you throw a nell, No not the continuous drone of a compressor and when you work in occcupied spaces this is a big big advantage. Thanks and try American cheese on a burger it is the only thing it's good for, true, but it is really good at it.
Love my pneumatic metabo hpt/hitachi as 4.9 lbs and 2 strips nails and great for production framing and overhead framing. Metabo hpt strap nailer/metal connector 36v is nice, heavy, but nice. Than have my Milwaukee for when my metabo hpt/hitachi 18v/36v nailer can’t sink nails in materials (usually stud pack of LvL or similar and doesn’t happen often, and run this gun more than Milwaukee is b/c my 1st & 2nd guns, easy to get parts and refill air inside gun (newer guns don’t need this but older battery nailers do after many many nails gone thru; and takes 5 mins). So, if doing any work overhead I get small compressor out (100 psi max 1.5-2 gal) and use pneumatic as light and easy! To use, along w/ framing up a lot of stuff. If getting into crawl spaces or not so much framing, it’s battery nailer, as taking a hose up/under house is never fun, and gets in way very quick….so battery all way here. So yep, hav8ng a pneumatic and battery is good if in trades and do lots of projects and diff types of materials, if diy/homeowners I’d say if 8n platform get that battery nailer, or if money an issue and have compressor go pneumatic as can go thru any material and light. Cheers✌🏻
The thing about the Paslode gas though, is I always end up with way more cartridges than needed. They fire more nails than supplied in the boxes so non-gas nail packs can also be used. Gas is not a large expense - the price equivalent of a few meters of framing timber!
As a DIYer. I chose to go a simpler/less expensive rout. I bought a regulator for my paintball air tank and a 3 ft whip from flexzilla and I basically have something similar to the airbow. Benefit is that I can use the tank to power any pneumatic nailer I have and get white a few shots out of my 4k PSI tank. For a large job I just use my air compressor
I've seen a guy on RU-vid do that as well.. It seems like such a no brainer.. But I'm guessing you need a compressor and tank that holds way more than the usual 120psi or so right?
@@mikegilberg8776 Yes, a new paintball tank which is fiber wrapped can hold up to 4000 psi, with a common size being about 68 cu inches. To me it looks like that’s the size the airbow is using. I get my tank filled at my local paintball shop for free and I just store it as my “battery”. If I need to drive a couple nails here and there I use the small tank and whip combo. I just couldn’t justify replacing my conventional framer, 15ga nailer, pin nailer all for well over 1000 dollars for battery versions when I don’t use them as much outside a shop environment. You can find used paintball tanks on marketplace all the time just be mindful that they need to be tested every 5 years and last a total of 15. So if you buy one second hand make sure it’s a newer one. The regulator I purchased on Amazon was the Interstate Pneumatics WRCO2.
Who would have thought I would be interested in nail guns 😁however Scott you make it fun ,light and interesting! Jess’s intro into Squarespace is a winner .😎 Keep up the good work SBC
I'd take a look at the Max high pressure system that Awesome Framers have good info on as well. Pneumatic, but the higher pressure allows the gun to be much smaller and maneuverable as well as allowing you to carry coils of framing nails instead of just a stick or two. Maybe less useful for renovations but looks like it'd be a winner for new house framing.
Powerlite are amazingly powerful nailers, but whoa are they expensive. The weight savings is awesome but my favorite thing about them is the cleanout system that expels debris and water when the hose is disconnected.
The Dewalt nailers are super popular in USA. Most people say you have to use a bigger battery to drive the nails all the way. Even though you had a powerstack battery, its a 2AH one and its just not enough. Try it again witha a 4+AH battery, i think you will be surprised by the results. As far as nailers i LOVE my Milwaukee brad nailer. I know its not a framing gun but i havent had any need in one so far. I mostly do finish carpentry right now. I used to use a Dewalt one but it kinda went out on me after a while. Milwaukee one is so slick and sounds just right. The Dewalt ones can get kinda annoying with their ramp up sounds.
I brought the hikoki because you and a few others had used them, I'm just a hobbyist, works really well for me so far. It's the best because not dragging around compressor
I started as a part time handyman 30 yrs ago. So I'm very old school with all pneumatic guns. Mostly Senco, some Bostitch . Framer to staples . I don't work them hard so they've held up well.
For handyman work I've been using Milwaukee nailers - 23ga, 18ga, 16ga, and 15ga - for last several years and have been very pleased with results and performance. They larger ga nailers can be a bit burdensome if working overhead for several hours vs. using a pneumatic nailer. Rarely use pneumatic but occasionally resort to it if my shoulder is acting up. I do find pneumatic stapler a better choice for cabinet building. Easier to maneuver. I've tried DeWalt and found not as good as Milwaukee. So far I haven't had any issues with my battery powered nailers.
I bought into the Milwaukee community many years ago and have a pin nailer, among other things, but for framing I have a pneumatic and a cheap compressor. I bought a long hose, so it reaches anywhere in the house, while the compressor stays in the basement. As you can imagine I don't do a lot of framing, but I also use a pneumatic brad nailer quite a lot.
Can you please do this for the finish nails as well please Will be looking to get a combo kit, (framer and pin gun) next year Love the videos Scott and Jess!!!
I love my metabo pneumatic nailer super light and bought a quiet compressor so i can take inside. I actually went the opposite way of most people I started with battery powered nail guns and got tired of dead batteries(my fault i don’t charge often) and switched to all aire powered nail guns. Also cordless miter and table saws and switched to corded. I still bust out my battery powered nailers if i only need to shoot a rack or 2 of nails but if im using it all day 100% pneumatic is coming out and never have to worry about a dead battery.
I use to use a Paslode (no longer have it) as well as use to use a hose pneumatic but that use to belong to the company I worked for at the time, I now have the Hitachi Framing & Brad nailers as well as AEG Framing and brad... the thing I like about the AEG framer is you just pick it up and fire unlike the Hitachi which you have to switch on and it turns off too quickly... both good nailers tho....
With all the new technology around nailers, I still use an electric air compressor and hose for framing and finishing. They're consistent, inexpensive and when you learn to leave the compressor in the truck/trailer the noise is never a problem. The only thing that gets me is rolling up 200' of air line at the end of each day. I've been very tempted to buy cordless nailers but still don't see the benefits until they reduce the size and weight. Great video as always, keep them coming!
Thank you for the review, I was on the fence about buying a framing gun. now I know to go to Milwaukee because of the wait and ease of use. we are amateur in the house and we are looking to raise walls and that will help us a lot you have an excellent channel and we're thanking you from Montreal, QC, Canada.
I run the Milwaukee 21 degree framer with the extended magazine and it works great. Gets heavy but I’m 6’3” (1905 mm) 300 lbs (136 kg), so it doesn’t affect me like it would someone else. I just framed all day today building kiosks with 12 foot 2x4’s and I ran my nailer all damn day on a single 3 ah hp battery. Probably did 1000 nails. The extended magazine will hold 3 racks of nails, which is really nice, and it helps to balance the weight. Like carrying a bucket filled with water… easier to carry two of them. Adds weight, but balances
our company both owns Air and battery powered nail gun. We use both, in different situation. If we're on a roof, the battery is the obvious winner, but if we're near the trailer, we use air powered nailler. We used milwaukee and metabo( Hikoki), they are both good, but the Hikoki seems to fail after only a couple years of heavy work, the milwaukee seems to last longer
I have the Dewalt, 18V 5amp bat and works great I use 9mm nails, its heavy to carry all day, I am DIYer, build a whole deck with it and worked perfectly.
Toronto area, Canada. I do kitchen installs and have need for 18Ga and 22Ga. Had pneumatics, tripped on hoses climbing ladders, got Hikoki/Hitachi. Fkn love them. So much faster and easier than pneumatics and I get an arm workout since they're much bulkier and heavier. When I took a framing job, I naturally added the Hikoki framing nailer. It's a beast, it scares me, I LOVE it. I used in on SPF (spruce pine fir) and it made me look like a pro framer, which I SOOO am not. Previously I used a couple cheapo pneumatic ones (old job for stingy all around bad human) that were rode hard and put away wet. No comparison to Hikoki. Like comparing $h1t to chocolate. That's what I know for sure.
I have an older Paslode framing nailer which has always worked great, but I also have a couple of Hitachi/Hikoki finish nailers (and a Bostich air framing nailer) which I really like, and I've been thinking of upgrading. Thing is, I almost never use it, so whether it is worth it or not is an open question - kinda a luxury. The biggest thing for me is repeat and short cycle time, plus battery platform - right now I'm on Hitachi/Metabo, Makita and Milwaukee M12, with Makita for construction and M12 for automotive - Metabo is mostly nailers, but I have their big boy 1/2 impact. I don't need yet another battery platform.
Hey Scott great video. I too have an array of different powered nail guns I started off with air powered framing guns, I then went to a paslode battery operated framing gun but ended up reverting back to air because of the cost of fuel cells. My first battery operated framing gun was the Dewalt Ii was disappointed with it but that’s what I had for the first two or three years of just battery, my next battery framing gun was the Metabo/Hitachi I have been pretty happy with this gun but it’s the only tool I have on the Hitachi battery platform. I still use the Hitachi framing gun from time to time but I mostly use the Milwaukee framing gun I’ve been pretty happy with it besides the weight. On large framing jobs I still use air powered framing guns. The paslode and Dewalt pretty much stay in my shop now.
Morning Scott and Jess. We have been following you for a while and we are in Nelson for the weekend. We popped into Little Nessie and have paid for a couple of coffees for you guys. Enjoy!
Go Jess! My first (and only) experience with a framing gun was using a friend’s pneumatic nailer making a shed frame. Heavy, scary and poor weight distribution especially when used for long periods. I think I emitted similar noises to Jess and totally agree with her ‘philosophy ‘.
First time you use any tool there is that bit of trepedation. I remember getting my mom to run a tracksaw, she was 54 years old never touched tools in her life, but while we were sheeting a shed the easiest and best way for her to help us was to set her up in the shop with the track saw and get her to cut the boards. She was abit scared at first but after the safety runthrough and some starting supervision she was ripping through material in no time. Later on in the project she was using impact drivers and sawzals.
Originally brought air framing and bradder (never actually used the framing), then changed to Paslode because having hose and compressor was a hassle. Year ago working with friends they had Dwalt and Hikoki battery framers, by the end of week I had a Hikoki framer. Hikoki is great working on renovations with Rimu framing, fully sinks 90mm nails. Brought a Metabo (Hikoki) 15ga from US, also great. Haven't looked back, no jams, no misfires, no maintenance like the Paslode, cheaper nails - all bonuses.
I thought that having Jess add her opinion was a great idea. She added a perspective of something men don't think about. A smaller boned woman (or man) may look more at the weight and the requirement to add force to the gun to fire. I only do little stuff at home or at friend's places as a hobby so I stick with an air compressor and cheaper gun (and a hammer to hit the nails that don't go in). I will take my little portable compressor if going somewhere and use my large one at home. It seems to me that which model is the best is a decision on the user and what they require as each had a different gun and opinion. Long winded but my wife went to work and I had no one to talk to.
Im honestly so surprised that the new updated paslode still struggles with harder timbers. I remember in your old comparison vids you had a older model paslode which fair enough could have less power than the new fellas but wow. I guess the extra mini hikoki compressor you gotta carry in your hand rly helps out
hey Scott :) I'm based in Germany and here the brand SENCO is very popular. the funny thing is, i up until maybe 5 years ago did not know that battery powered Framing guns existed. I only used the hosed ones and was pretty satisfied with them. I don't know if SENCO Nailers are available in New Zealand but i would love to hear your opinion on them. Keep up the good work on the channel mate. I love to get an inside veiw on how Building is done in over countries :)
Hey Scott, I ended up with the Hitachi (U.S.) to replace my Paslode I had for years, and I've been kicking myself for not getting the Milwaukee. This thing is too heavy for anything other than a quick/small job, which is pretty much all I do anymore. I'd hate to have to use it all day on a jobsite. It only holds 27 nails, and after using 23 of 'em, it quits. Need to put in another strip. I do like not needing a hose and compressor though. I'm with Jess on the idea that when you buy a tool to do a job, it needs to do that job, or it's not as helpful as it should be. Jess, yet another smooth segue. 👍
@@papadave9061 I just bought my DeWalt and tested them all. The most important thing for me was the gun balance because I have 2 tennis elbow. I eliminated the Milwaukee right off the bat because it wants to go downwards when held at 90. The Metabo/Hitachi/Hikoki was not bad at all, but a little more tip heavy. The Dewalt is slightly heavier but the balance was the best when held at 90, it was surprising. After using to frame my home addition, I can safely say that it handles framing really well and it has no issues with LVLs.
I have a Bostitch N88 that is getting old, but stunningly reliable with good power. Later I bought a Senco FramePro 325 XP which was not my favourite gun, but it served me well with reasonable power until I dropped it on concrete from a great height 2 months ago. I also have 2 Metabo's (Hikoki) that work great and are light, but if you hit a gang plate or something hard, it's common for the driver pin to ride up over the head or the nail and jam it. I recently bought a cordless gun, the Metabo/Hikoki. A bit heavy, but it fires really well. But I only use it for random spot jobs. For most of the framing I do, I'll never give up the air guns, despite the hose. The power and speed is much superior.
The PREBENA PKT-system is the same idea as the AIRBOW. I've seen the PKT-system for years in use by the guys who build shipping-contraptions for heavy machinery as CNCs, robots, etc. here in Germany. Some of them got the specialty nailers with built-in aircontainer but most of them got the system for the belt, you could use any pneumatic nailer with. You can get the aircontainer in different sizes and/or in a Systainer.
We used a paslode, but if we have alot to do will get the pneumatic makita out. We also run a pneumatic ppn nailer and Pneumatic 18g/23g second fix guns. The reliability and consistency of the pneumatic’s is worth the minor inconvenience of the hose and compressor in my opinion.
As lots of people have said, the DeWalt was on the wrong setting, 1 is for up to 70mm nails. Having said that, they only spec if for 63mm in hard woods, but in reality it usually does better. Others have complained about it's speed. That's what the other switch is for, it keeps the motor running between shots. When Paslode released the new PowerVent model last year to better deal with LVL, some of it's extra power came from a new fuel cell, Scott was testing with a Delfast fuel cell. If the HiKoki has lost power, you can get it's air refilled. They can lose pressure over time, it's a simple 4 minute procedure. There's a few videos on RU-vid showing how it's done.
Old builder I knew only ever used a compressor and gun because they worked better. Also only used a Mckenzie saw and a skill saw, dropsaw, what are they for? Did all his own framing, pre frame was for those 'soft' modern builders.
Great video. I recently bought the Ryobi one plus nail gun and it's been surprisingly powerful. I bought it for DIY skirting boards but I also used it on some hardwood no issues.
YES. I have all Makita LXT tools (so not 40V) but I've been wondering if they're ever going to do a framing nailer. I'm just a DIYer though, so I don't really need one, but you know how it is...tools. I still would kinda LIKE to have one. :D
yes have been waiting for makita framing nailer because all my tools are makita battery operated and i dont want to spend extra on another battery platform being just a DIYer....but if i did it would be the milwaukee framing nailer.....like you i just want one even if i dont really need it Lol
love my paslode nice weight behind them been using them since I started carpentry I love that I can hold it in both hands especially doing framing all day long with the weight of the pouch its all I need
If I'm framing a house all day and just trying to sink large nails I've never been failed with a Hikoki or Max pneumatic nailer. I'm not sure if you get Max in New Zealand, but they are fantastic. If I'm doing a quick wall and don't want to bring a compressor and hose around, or in a finished home and don't want to risk damaging cabinets or furniture I prefer the Milwaukee framing nailer. Favorite brad and staplers have always been Senco. I've used and seen them on jobsites as well as manufacturing. Can't beat the value of a senco pneumatic nailer, they just work. I think it would be awesome to have a small backpack to hold compressed air like the airbow and a whip to the gun. Then you could get the best of both worlds maybe with more capacity. Also just used the Hilti Exoskeleton and it's amazing for overhead work. Was skeptical at first, but it really saves your shoulders.
There's a company called JacPac that makes a c02 cannister that clips on your belt with a coil hose and you can get the tanks refilled at paintball shops. I tried it out a few years ago and it barely supplies enough pressure to sink brads into pine so I don't recommend it, but between that and AirBow it seems like all the pieces of technology exist to make a backpack tank work although I guess 300 nails per air refill on the AirBow isn't too bad, but it should at least have changeable tanks so that you can have a few tanks with you and not have to bring their special compressor everywhere you go. A separate backpack tank with an air nozzle to use any pneumatic nailer sure would be nice though.
Fantastic comment and input, Benjamin! I still use my 20 + year old Senco ( Made in USA ) all metal 15 gauge angled finish nailer. It’s a beast, but works so well. I have a newer Hitachi, but still reach for the Senco. I love my newer ( made in China, unfortunately) Red 18 gauge Senco, which includes a little light. Once I got used to it, with the nail placement, I love it. These are of course, pneumatic tools. I have yet to go battery power. You will have to pry my Hitachi framing nailer outta my hands! The thing just works, and I have yet to find something it can’t nail! I never had or used a Max nailer, but know a lot of guys that love them. Good brand. You have some interesting ideas there, maybe look into ‘Patenting them?’ Take care work safe Peace 👍
I'm from the netherlands, bought the hikoki after your first review, and still after a few years of abuse, still going strong. The first month i had a problem with the presure but it was a quick fix and fast service from hikoki.
I would buy a Milwaukee simply because it is the platform I have chosen for my battery tools and I will NEVER have more than one type of battery to charge EVER again. Great vids Scotty and Jess, thanks a million you guys rock
Using the Max SuperFramer CN890F2 coil nailer, pneumatic powered atm... mainly caus i got put off buying the Paslode for the gas smell and cost of nails/cartridges, and at that time there were no other proper full battery powered machines available to me. The coil nailer works like a dream, but you have to deal with the (annoying) hose. Did spot the Senco framing nailer coming to market here now, which has the same nitrogen cell technology as my Senco finish nailer so expect that to work wonders... but got a steep price which is putting me off justifying buying it for lack of framing work needing to do atm. Considerations to make, cheers for the vid Scott!! Informative
I had a renovation company for 10 years and primarily only framed basement interior partition walls. I started out with air powered tools and gradually progressed to using the Dewalt cordless tools. I found the cordless 20V dewalt framers adequate for my use. I had a Paslode 18 guage finish nailer that broke down several times and upgraded to the new Milwaukee 18 guage nailer which is far superior. If starting again, I would go down the red brick road, not the yellow brick road for nailers.
Got the 1st gen DeWalt broke it with-in first 3 months got fixed broke again. It’s nice as a back up but i ended up getting an air Hitachi and it’s rock solid no issues.
Thanks Scotty & Jess I have 22 power tools but none of them is a Nail Gun. Do I need a Nail gun ? of course I do . My next buy will be a nail gun. I do think if you have existing range of battery tools then it seems sensible to keep the same brand. The battery powered garden tools also fit into this category. Because I have purchase my battery tools over a number of years I have 5 different battery chargers, not ideal. I have a charging bench set up for all these use a glass bench top as fire is your enemy here as a damaged battery becomes a fire hazard. Thanks again Scotty.
on the nail gun by DeWalt there are two modes of operation, I noticed that the mode switch was on the number 1, and for those nails that were in the nail, mode 2 is needed
Purchased the DeWalt recently and I actually love it, never have an issue sinking nails. The Milwaukee style with the air tank are too heavy and unbalanced, the nose just wants to drop. The DeWalt has the best balance, weight sits at the rear so I like it. Milwaukee coming in late should have considered weight or at least balanced it.
I ended up going Hikoki after watching you smash yours day in, day out. I'm in the property maintenance, occasional carpentry business, love the cost reduction and lower maintainance vs gas powered, and the noise reduction, may have gone Milwaukee , but got it over a year ago before you got your version. Weight suck, but I treat it as my arm day lol.
Had the Milwaukee for a month and it’s a serious tool! The weight took some getting used to but other than that it’s flawless! Won’t be going back to a paslode that’s for sure 🤩
