I hike in the Sierra on the JMT and other trails and attach the Anker PowerPort Solar Lite 15W to the top of my pack to charge my Anker 10000+ brick during the day. I never fiddle with it unless it's raining, in which case I unhook the brick, which goes in a baggie, and stow the panel in a side pocket (it's ok in the rain and has survived a creek dunking just fine). I then charge my phone, Inreach and Fuji camera at night. Works for me since wall charging opportunities are infrequent. The panel is 12.5oz, the same as a 20000mAh brick. I always have extra power even though I'm lazy about turning off my phone and Inreach at night.
Spot on at minute 11:45 or so. If you are on a long back country trip with no access to power, a solar panel makes a lot of sense. If you are on a throughhike that gives you access to power every few days, a battery makes a lot of sense. Another great video Dixie.
One thing to add about the BioLite Campstove 2: at peak output, it generates 3 watts. At 5 volts, that's 600 mA (0.6 amps) per hour. That means it will take 4 hours and 20 minutes of peak burn to fully recharge the included 2600mAh battery. Plus, ashes build-up fairly quickly in the small chamber - every 30 minutes you'll have to dump ashes and restart the fire. I love the idea of the BioLite, but its just not a realistic option in its current incarnation.
As someone who has dealt with this issue for years I wan't to add one more thing to her list of things to keep in mind. Even if you keep your phone on airplane mode at all times, which I do while I'm working. Be careful because the inside of your thigh might constantly be engaging with your phone and might still drain your battery very quickly. It could constantly lighting up your phone and trying to access things that even airplane mode blocks. Because of this, I turn my phone outwards from my hip so it doesn't do this while I'm out in the woods.
Light bulb moment. I know my phone wakes if it contacts me in the pocket while I’m working. (It’s a timer set to vibrate) I often get low on battery for “nothing.” I’ll definitely build the habit to have it face out. Thank you.
Another option is to use a Goal Zero Guide 10 battery pack charger, it’s the one that comes with the Nomad 7 solar panel as a bundle. It’s fast to recharge when you have power but you can also swap the 4 AA rechargeable batteries with a second set or with regular alkaline batteries when in a hurry. Best of both worlds for me in most situation.
The battery packs hold about 60% of what they claim relative to your electronic device. So if you have a 10,000 mAH battery pack, you can divide your mAH of your battery you are recharging into 10000 x .6 or 6000 mAHs. So if you have a 3000 mAH battery that requires charging, you will get two full charges from your 10000 mAH bank.
I use an Anker 21000 battery and solar panel. I charge my devices from the battery at night and then charge the battery pack from solar during the day. I just strap the panel to my pack and I’m good to go. It’s worked great for a couple years now. Yes, a little bulky but I don’t mind.
I use the Rhino Tuff three panel solar charger all the time. I also have the Ancor 20000mah pack. The RTSC weighs less than the battery by far. It performs the function of a back board in my day packs and slides down flush against the back pad in my larger packs. When taking a break, placed on a rock or log in the little sun between trees, it’ll charge my iPhone from 80% to 95% in about 15-20 minutes. I’ve also strapped it to the outside of my pack and used it to charge my camera batteries while moving. Like Dixie said though, you have to find what works for you. I carry camera gear, so my charging requirements are likely higher than your average Ultralight hiker. Also a quality SC will not self discharge your batteries when in shade. That’s important as some of the cheap ones will. As far as choosing between my Ancor and the Rhino Panel, if I’m in deep woods or inclement weather is expected over the duration of my trip, the Ancor comes with me. If I’m hiking ridge lines and mountains, or open desert terrain, the Rhino gets loaded up. Instead of “one or the other”, I use both situationally dependent.
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I haven't backpacked since 2008 and your videos have been very helpful for people getting into or back into this world. Good information and very helpful.
The RavPower 6700 and Anker 10,000 seem to be the lightest for their respective size that I've found for reliable brands. There are less reputable brands that are lighter but, who knows what their real capacity is or how safe their batteries are. I did buy an Attom Tech 3000 that weighs 2.2oz that I take on overnighters and for day to day use and so far no problems. There are new brands popping up all the time on Amazon, but sometimes just rebranding a product with bad reviews, so it's hard to pin down what's good and what isn't.
Good idea is exchange smartphone for phone. That great battery saver on it's own 😇 My phone don't have strong battery but on paper 3weeks on standby...
Even for everyday use a small battery back up charger is a good thing to have. Weather its in a day pack, go bag or purse. Even for the kids to have in their school backpack.
One more consideration: a solar charger would work better on a NOBO hike than on a SOBO hike because the sun is in the south side of the sky. (in the northern hemisphere)
#1 solar benefit: reduced carbon footprint. Better alignment with "Leave No Trace" principles. You're not consuming the output from a large powerplant (coal, nuclear, etc) but from a free, natural source.
I feel like you should have mentioned that there exists battery banks that are also solar panels. Like one face is a solar panel so you can charge with the sun but since it's also a battery bank, you can charge with the wall. Best of both worlds.
In October I bought an Anker solar panel - with good reviews. It didn’t work very well. Even with blue skies above it went on and off all the time and it didn’t charge my phone. So it was pretty useless. I contacted Anker about it. The Anker Support Team is really good and very friendly. ‘There must be something wrong with it! Sorry! Excuse us!’ They immediately sent a new one, I didn’t have to return the old one. Great, isn’t it? Now I have two useless solar panels. There was probably nothing wrong with the panels, but on the 53rd parallel - where I live - they only work in summer, in the middle of the day, when you are sitting on top of an airplane. So, no. Buy a powerbank. Maybe an Anker. They have a great support team.
I just ordered a gizzmo that is the size of a cell phone and can be charged from an AC outlet or the sun. I do not want to talk too much about this thing, I'm not selling it ,but it does hang from your gear to get every bit of sunlight.
Anker 10k would prolly be best for most people, great suggestion. I would say that the biolite would be awful for everybody. You probably dont realize it but the current its peltier device generates is just pathetically little. Then you have to factor in you'll only be running it for 20 mins at a time, plus its heavy as hell. It doubles the weight of your battery bank but adds almost no utility.
How much non thru hike backpacking have you done? I've noticed that my weekend trips are hard to relate to what your saying. You really base your explanations on thru hikes. My experience with these things has been different, so you say "backpacking" its hard because most people watching i would think are small end backpackers.
Good video ! Smart ideas as usual in your videos BTW i like seeing you with your hair down But of course you are pretty no matter what hair style you are in
CHOETECH Solar Charger, 14W Solar Panel Phone Charger Waterproof Foldable Is a good option for portable solar panels weighing in at 1lb it can charge with limited lighting!
With solar panels, I'd strongly recommend getting a 6 or 10k battery backup and using the solar panel to charge that, then using the backup to charge your other devices.
The problem with a buffer battery pack is that you’ll get additional losses from all the voltage converters involved. From the solar panel to the 5V USB output and into the battery pack you’ll only have about 70% efficiency. The same again from the battery pack into your phone or other device. So you’ll end up with 50% efficiency instead of 70%. Solar panels with integrated batteries might be more efficient at charging their internal batteries because they don’t have to go to a 5V USB output and then down to battery voltage again.
@@Mike-oz4cv That is true. But unless you ONLY have one device you want to charge, and are willing to not use it all day long, it is the only workable solution. Even a good solar panel in full sun will take more than a day to charge a phone, if you leave it off. And there is no way to use the phone to also provide some juice to your headlamp or any other device. With the battery backup, there is no loss to needing to take it off the charger for use during the day, it just stays there charging, making up for inefficiencies. Then at the end of the day, with no time wasted swapping out devices throughout the day, you have a source to plus up charges on any and all devices you are carrying. Far better solution in my experience, unless you are willing to spend significant time and attention managing what you are charging throughout the day.
@@Mike-oz4cv You just leave out only one of three voltage converters by integrating the battery into the solar panel so the advantage is smaller, and you loose the flexibility to charge devices directly from the panel e. g. at camp sites. My power bank has 70% from USB input to USB output, two converters and the battery itself. jmt2019.de/?page_id=51
One tip I have is if you have an older phone you no longer use you should bring it. My previous phone has a cracked screen but overall still works just fine. My main phone I keep off or in airplane mode and my older phone I use to take pictures or videos. Or have downloaded Netflix or prime videos saved to it and will watch them at night so my main phone can stay charged.
Careful. Most powerbanks (also the ones from Anker) won't allow "passthrough", i.e. charging and discharging simultaneously. Just make sure you have one that supports this before going out on a trail and being disappointed.
@@DerKatzeSonne not meaning at once. My bust. Mean tag charge one fully. Change next fully charge Another fully...... that's what i do. By time i drain one the other is fully charged. By nightfall i have enough to make it until 10am.
@@mrmichaeltscott ah I see; that makes sense! I’m worried about the loss in efficiency because you add a second step by first charging the powerbank just to use that to charge the phone. On the other hand it seems to be the most robust and least problematic method. Personally I’m still trying different methods and need to find a way that works for me. Probably yours is what I’ll end up with anyways :)
Test your devices before you go as well. How many pictures or video can I take on a single charge? How long will my GPS, Headlamp, etc work on a single charge. I tested every device as well as the Batteries to use. In '05 I relied on NiMH Batteries.
For the financially challenged! - A solar charger can save you money by taking fewer motel nights in town, mostly just to charge batteries for 6-8 hours. Aim to do laundry, resupply and get out of town in under 3 hours, to camp on trail whenever possible. It is hard to spend cash when you are always in the mountains!
@AaronThanks for your tips. I have heard of folks washing clothes in the woods using a dry sack to contain the soapy water and safely transport it, well away from the water source. These days my preferred lamps are integral solar and/ or dynamo hand cranked so I hope to never buy batteries for a flashlight ever again.
Solar charge your battery pack while hiking, then charge your electronics at night at camp. Get a good solar charging panel that will work in indirect light, and you still get some charge. Anker 15w or 21w is great for this. This is the combo I use while hiking/camping. Thanks for the videos.
1st) Thank you Dixie. I'm an active hunter, camper, and trail runner, but I haven't backpacked since I was a teen. I'm 63 now and much has changed. I've been thinking about extending my backpacking from just the two or three miles it takes to find a place to camp to taking a week and covering some significant miles. I'm learning a lot from your videos. However... 2nd) One thing you didn't mention was using a hand crank generator. For many years now I've kept one like the unit in the link below (trying to use your affiliate link) in my "survival pocket". Reading the reviews on any similar unit, you'll immediately note mostly negative comments. Here is my input on the matter: (a) The unit is for emergency use only; not for fully charging your phone. (b) Despite what the product claims, it will not directly charge a modern Android or Apple phone. (3) However, it will charge a small battery pack, which can then charge your phone. (4) I keep a very small and light fully charged 1500 mAh battery pack in the pocket with the generator. (5) The small battery pack will give my phone a partial charge. (6) Then 10 minutes of cranking will put enough charge back into a depleted battery pack that I can power up a fully dead phone to make numerous text messages, a phone call of several minutes, or get my GPS coordinates. (7) You cannot crank the generator fast or put strain on the crank. It will break. It is very cheaply made. (8) Since it is cheaply made, test the one you have before you go out in the field with it. (9) Let me say it again, do not try to charge your phone directly from the generator. - - I'm traveling right now, so I can't weigh the generator and battery pack, but I would venture to guess they total 3 to 4 ounces. Once I forgot my large battery pack. This setup allowed me to stay in periodic touch with my wife over a long weekend hunting trip. It was worth its weight in gold. [LINK: www.amazon.com/Baynne-Travel-Emergency-Charger-Dynamo/dp/B07DYWX3M3/ref=sr_1_21?crid=1L3Q1BHT57IOL&keywords=hand+crank+cell+phone+charger&qid=1552353176&s=gateway&sprefix=hand+crank+cell+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-21 ] 3rd) I've recently been using the "ElevenII 22W Solar Phone Charger" (people can use your Amazon link to find it). I haven't used it while hiking or backpacking, but I can say it will charge my Galaxy S8+, which has a 3500 mAh battery, from 0 to 20% in 1 hour 19 minutes with only broken morning sunlight through a tree canopy. I'll have to report back after I've tried it on a hike, but I suspect that if strapped to my pack it would keep my phone fully charged while hiking. At 1.5 pounds the unit is double the weight of the 10,000 mAh battery that I usually tote, but it's kept my phone and headlight fully charged on extended camping trips. For a trip 3 days or less, I'd take my Anker battery pack, but for longer trips or where I expect to use more juice then the solar panel saves weight in the long run.
Yeesh! In regards to Solar and USB Batteries... Rule number 1: Never charge your device while it's on (while outdoors). The device will use power from the cable to charge the device while it's trying to divert some of the power to the devices battery. Placing non-waterproof solar panels in a large, commercial, resealable bag will give it weather protection while charging your batteries in the rain/snow. As for me, I just hang my solar charger off of my backpack while I'm hiking. An added 30amp solar charge controller with USB works great to assist in charging a vehicle battery with a solar panel. They can be purchased ultra small and lightweight. These are used in offgrid homesteads to assist in charging arrays of marine batteries to give free power to common household appliances and technology like computers, TV's and internet routers/modems. Carry about 6 foot of 16/2 power cable some aligator clips to use as an emergency 12v vehicle battery charger. Cable can be harvested from a cheap, 2-prong, household, extension power cable and used with a charge controller. The charge controller can also be used to charge USB Battery packs and other types of electronics via the USB Outlets. Rule number 2: Charge your backup batteries during the day and charge your devices at night with the backup batteries (I learned this from active duty US military and have always used this tip with great success). Be sure to check your power connections from the solar panel to the USB battery for disconnections. Nothing will charge if the device disconnects. I've owned both Anker and RAVPOWER USB batteries. Anker are priced higher for the same or lesser quality battery (every since Walmart picked up their batteries for in store sales). RAVPOWER batteries with Qualcomm Quick Charge are my favorite! Plus, RAVPOWER batteries are better priced than Anker. USB Batteries with at least 20,000 mAh or more are generally preferred over a 10,000 mAh battery. The mAh rating of the battery gets weaker the more you recharge it. After several complete battery charges, 10,000 mAh will become 9,000 and 9,000 will become 8,000 and so on. Make note that outdoor versions of USB Batteries are marketed as weatherproof and will still work after being rained on and submerged in water. If you feel that your batteries may come in contact with water or humidity, then research these types of USB batteries. Sincerely, Jacob May 31st, 2021
Another great video with tons of useful info. Thanks Dixie! You are my backpacking guru. If someone were to tell you 25-30 years ago, that you would be able to use your phone to check your emails, schedule appointments, watch movies/TV shows on, take pictures/record videos, order food, shop, do your taxes with, & any research you gotta do; would you have thought they were crazy?
Changing your display to grayscale/black and white saves a ton of battery life. The pictures you take will still be in color when you switch back, but you get a lot more display hours on the same charge without all the bright colors. You can set home button (iPhone) or mutliple keys pressed at once (android) shortcuts to easily toggle back and forth.
I've got the Bio Stove. The charging is disappointing. I quit trying, spent too much time keeping the stove fueled for very little charge. Maybe I'll test it to see how long it takes.
A friend has one, we played with it for about 5 days in the woods. You are right, it ain't no 2 amp wall charger. It will keep your phone alive in a crunch, though.
@@traildads3206 I will say this about it. The fire tornado is impressive and efficient. Very little ash is left over. I would pack it for a one night trip where I'm carrying little food and water or a longer section hike in place of several fuel canisters. If you want a cup of coffee minutes after waking, this is not your stove, figure at least 10 to 15 minutes to boil 12 ounces.
I too have one of these stoves (I also have the generation 1). I am not a backpacker, I convince camp (next to my car). It is quite heavy when you are measuring all your weight in ounces. The stove weighs in at a hefty 33 oz., and KettlePot (1l boil pot) is an additional 16 oz. The two together will boil water quite quickly, after getting the fire started so in total 10 to 15 mins for your morning coffee. The charging feature is a bit lack-luster. You have to keep the stove very well fed and the fan on the lowest setting for maximum charge. If you can spare the 49 oz. or weight, you'll not have to carry fuel, spare rechargeable batteries or an additional cook pot and will still be able to top off your phone in any weather conditions as long as you have the time. The stove packs into itself and then will pack into the KettlePot making it reasonable size for what you get. Heavy and versatile. Just my 2 cents.
@@MrWillyp00 Thanks for posting this. Nothing like real experience. I wild camp in Europe a few days at a time and was thinking of using one as a Base Camp charger rather than carrying it everywhere ( my total kit is under 3kilos.) I think I'll wait for a more efficient design to come out. In the meantime I'll stick with my 2 small battery banks and/ or quick recharge at the coffee shop or airport. ( I often camp within 5 miles of the airport so it's easy to drop in for a few hours free charging.) Happy travels everyone. John
The new Anker 25600 mah PowerCore III Elite usb c battery pack (60w) recharge in 2.1 hours from empty... The 87w battery is even faster. Just thought I'd add that here since it may be helpful for those that need to recharge with limited time. I should have posted this yesterday when Amazon had their Prime day sale for 95.00. Sorry about that, but Black Friday should have something similar this fall.
My experience has been that you are far better off getting at least a 20 watt folding solar panel from a name-brand manufacturer at at least a 16,000maH power bank from a name-brand manufacturer and using the panel to charge the power bank rather than trying to charge you smart phone or other device directly from the solar panel. The latter way is fraught with difficulties and problems. Charging the power bank is much much easier and you can use the power bank to charge from even in the dark.
Thanks for the topic and video Dixie! 😉 And Everyone watch out for those battery banks that if you don’t disconnect your device when it’s done charging, the battery bank will actually use your device to try to recharge itself 😬 happened to me with a “Sunjack” brand battery bank.
Agreed. To be fair to Dixie, her video was released at the time of transition, when proprietary quick charging was still fairly common and USB-C PD was in the ascendency. Proprietary quick charging such as Qualcomm QC is now pretty much obsolete - PD is almost certainly what you want. I've got an Anker 10000mAh power bank that has 18W PD output (so will quick charge my phone and tablet) and will charge fairly quickly with a PD charger. I've pretty much retired my non-PD power bank.
How funny I'm out here thru hiking the Arizona trail and I'm wasting alot of battery watching RU-vid videos but I'm at this picnic area which is a luxury out here and I got 4g service!!!
Thank you. 👍 All good tips, and I appreciate you giving every, single detail as some of us may not know about things that to others is common knowledge. Everyone is new to things at some point. 🤓
I love the BioLite stove, but I think it’s best for car camping/van life situations. If you can carry the weight, know how to make a proper fire, and don’t mind tending to it, it produces a lot of electricity and is a ton of fun.
VIDEO'ING? dear Dixie! please dont make that word a thing! Recording, filming, makin video works too....video isn't a verb...one never video'ed, or went video'ing. ...back to you!
I am enjoying getting someone else's perspective on things through this series. This one is the first that didn't apply. The only electronics I take are two flashlights and a tiny solar panel for charging them. :-)
I use a linksolar 13 watt panel and I tie it to the back of my back, I plug that into an anker powercore 20100. In sunny Florida it will trickle charge the battery through the day. I think that’s the best use case for a solar panel, rather than trying to rely on it to bring your devices up to 100 percent off just the panel alone.
you are right. There has to be an inbetween, aka a battery. It should ALWAYS be SOLAR > BATTERY > PHONE in that order a lot of those cheaper solar panels too don't have good charge protection
Treat your backup batteries gently. Li-ion battery chemistry holds a tremendous amount of energy in a very small space. Do not abuse them. Do not disassemble them. Do not drop them in a fire. Do not do anything with them preceded by the statement, "Hold my beer and watch this..." LiFePO4 is less explody, but I don't think they sell any hiker-friendly packs with that chemistry. As Dixie says, use name brands and don't abuse them.
Duh, great advice! Depending on my sections (yep, I have a day job 👌🏻hate me later) I carry either a 10,000 or 20,0000 ma battery. Kudos to all ur BP Start-up vids!!! As usual, u kick ass!
Dixie you are awesome and are helping me a LOT to get everything ready for the AT 2023. Can’t wait to experience this life and meet all the trail members along the way!
I use Yolk solar paper, pricey but light weight and well made as it is simple to add panels and the display helps estimate charge time by output voltage ~ battery input requirement. gold magnetic panel hook-ups is just extra cool and no other panel i have seen has that feature. =]
It isn't water resistant, but it's very handy. The TOMO M4 power bank/18650 charger will use any combination of varying types and capacity 18650's, up to 4. It smart charges each battery individually. It also works as a power bank with two USB outputs. Total output is limited by the number/capacity of the batteries themselves. Maximum with quality batteries is 13600 mAh. Since much of my gear uses 18650's, it is both a charger and power bank with spare batteries. Just have to keep it dry-ish. Have IPX6 power banks (Anker, Levin) for use in damp conditions.
When the 10,000 is getting low, plug it in to the 20,000 to charge. When that one starts getting low, charge it off the 10,000. Voila, you will never run out.
Dixie, there are other means of charging in the field than using a solar power. There are different types of thermal heat transfers to electricity, like the biolite stove. That is too big and heavy for most backpacking, but I bought off Amazon a pop up cone, sort of like your sea to summit cup, but this has a heavier base with a computer charging wire attached to it. All you do is fill the cone with water and put it on the fire, making sure the wire is not in the fire lol, after the water starts boiling the thermal reacted in the base produces electricity and you just plug your phone or your back up battery into the wire and you can charge your electronics, the downside is it weighs about a pound, but if you have liquid and a fire you can charge your devices, just keep refilling the cone with water, it helps to keep an extra pot of water on the fire so when the water evaporates you can add already boiling water..bobby
Many solar panels now include a battery bank, so if you hang them on your pack all day they'll slowly charge the bank, then you can plug into the bank at night and blast the power into the phone all at once. And you can charge the bank from AC if you get to a town and have the chance.
By now, people will probably will want to watch out for USB-PD (Power Delivery) powerbanks instead of Qualcomm Quickcharge. (obviously depending on their gear; but with iPhones definitely and also because USB-PD is the universal standard while QuickCharge is proprietary to Qualcomm)
Hey Dixie, I use a 26800mAh Solar Battery Power Bank Portable Panel Charger with LEDs and 2 USB Output Ports this one charges dusk and dawn with minimum sunlight. I have it to charge my go pro and phone at the same time.
Anker powerbank 20000 mAH is not heavy plus a Solar panel minimum of 21W marketed is good one of Anker of Bleu origin 28W not heavy. Battery bank 20000 mAH with a phone battery 4000 mAH should be good for 5x charges - 5 days. going on a longer vacation then combine it with a solar panel.
I use a back-up battery (26,900mAh) that has a solar cell on it capable of charging 300mAh per hour just using the sun. FYI. It is heavy, but worth it, since my headlamp, phone, Canon RP camera, and air mattress blower/lantern all can use the charger. It takes 8 hours to charge that sucker, or almost a week to charge it using only the sun, lol. I don't use the solar cell much, but it is there in case I need to emergency power something and the 26900 is fully drained. Charging 300mAh per hour doesn't sound like much, but it adds up: I can use the sun to fully charge my headlamp in 2 hours, for example.
Not really if the larger battery pack and your charger support fast charging. Internally a larger battery pack can do exactly what you propose. You’d also need a charger with two outputs (or even three if you also want to charge your smartphone or other device at the same time).
Michael K you can get a cheap 4 port charger from most any brand convenience store or pharmacy, and even cheaper on amazon so it’s not that big of a deal. Then I could in theory charge 3 small battery packs and my phone much faster than one quick charge battery. My power setup IRL is different. Since I vape, I already had a bunch of 18650 batteries (the ones that get put into those battery packs), and my 4 bay charger has two usb outputs that can draw from the batteries. It can do 4 amps between the batteries for charging, and output to the ports at the same time. If I want more capacity I can just bring more batteries, which I already need because I’m using 5k mAh a day with just the vape, without the overhead of the packaging of a larger/multiple battery packs in the form of casing and internal electronics. At the end of the day, it depends on what your power needs are going to be.
Even better, get a battery pack with USB-C power delivery. Anker makes a 26000 mah model that is about 1lb and it can charge this massive battery in like 4.5 hours with a 30w pd charger. They also make a 45w version that can charge in 3.5 hours.