The very small amounts of MSM turf needed per gallon make it very easy to over apply and cause damage to turf, ornamentals and trees if you dont carefully measure it. Aside from that, it is a great and very inexpensive product that is effective on a lot of weeds if used as directed.
Just found your channel, great information. I typically use prodiamine for my first round and Dimension for my second. I found a product called Katana that literally killed everything in my Bermuda lawns, including poa annua.
Jason, Two things to mention about this video as I learn more about the chemicals. Might be worthwhile to mention that higher rates of MSM can damage trees from what I've been told. Which leads to the second part....have you figured out a good method for measuring MSM into 1 gallon or 2 gallon sprayers? I thinking the only accurate way will be a scale that measure down to grams. I use a gas powered backpack sprayer and a 3 nozzle walking boom to treat yards. As you mentioned, its difficult to measure out such small quantities.
MSM Turf is considered safe at lower rates for trees. But it's good to know to use with caution around trees and to follow label instructions. Biggest danger to small oak trees. I personally would avoid spraying inside the drip line of hardwood trees and palm trees if you use it regularly on your lawn
@@AJ-ds9xq The only common weed that I've read that it's more effective on say certainty or other products is spurge, aside from bahiagrass and tress and what not.. It is recommended you broadcast spray spurge with it due to spurge being born pregnant and it's pre-emergent properties. I've heard that Fahrenheit might be a better option of the average user due to a lower concentrate and harder to mess up your application rate. We're talking like .3 grams - .25 oz per 1k sq feet per 1 gallon of water for spot spraying.
Jason, great vid here. But now I have moved into “How do I reduce the amount of Calcium and Phosphorus in my lawn”? Soil results are in as you have guessed by now. Centipede turf lawn and I have no idea how this happened. 2 years ago I had the same results and didn’t put any Phosphorus down or Calcium (since Centipede turf doesn’t like Phosphorus). And now the lady at the extension office is going to yell at me yet again for doing another soil sample next January as well. 🤦🏼♂️ On brother!
Just got a bottle of msm turf, haven't even used it yet, but I think it'll work nicely this year. Hard to believe how super concentrated it is! Should last me awhile, i got the 8oz bottle. Thanks for the good info!
So... I'm mixing in 2 gallons of water... on a digital kitchen scale... that's .0056 grams of msm and 11.97 grams of Prodiamine. Mixing both at same time, msm first. I'll do 4 pump ups per row and walk kinda fast and use the spray beside/walk method 1 row at a time.. I'll be back soon to tell you the results... I have some wild grass mixed in with dense weeds in a area that was bare dirt over winter/spring... I'll see if that wild grass is resistant to msm. This is my last window to spray before temps get regularly over 85F because of the msm.
Very informative but after reading the msm turf will kill my rye grass. I have bluegrass with ryegrass. What would you recommend for that? Great videos keep them coming.
Come back and look what I found out about mixing msm and Prodiamine in a 2 gallon sprayer.. you have to use a digital scale and use tiny amounts of both. So... I'm mixing in 2 gallons of water... on a digital kitchen scale... that's .0056 grams of msm and 11.97 grams of Prodiamine. Mixing both at same time, msm first. I'll do 4 pump ups per row and walk kinda fast and use the spray beside/walk method 1 row at a time.. I'll be back soon to tell you the results... I have some wild grass mixed in with dense weeds in a area that was bare dirt over winter/spring... I'll see if that wild grass is resistant to msm. This is my last window to spray before temps get regularly over 85F because of the msm.
I have a grass cutting business and would like to offer some weed control service to my customers. All of my lawns are between 500 & 1000 sq feet. Can i mix a 50 gal batch of msm turf and use that in a hand held sprayer on individual lawns? How long will it last in the 50 gal tank? .
@@omegachar4754 - Floratam St. Augustine. This is for spot spray. There will be some chlorosis, so you could go a bit lighter if necessary or add chelated iron. Just my two cents, but thanks for asking.
How u doing @mike ThePike I just bought msm turf I just want to use it for spot spraying small amounts like you said 1 gram per 1 gallon I live in Pennsylvania would that work for cool season grass at your rate per gallon thanks
@@chinov9445 - Hey, thanks for the question. Just a couple of caveats to my application rate. For St. Augustine, 1 oz per acre calculates to 0.651 grams per 1,000 sq. ft. However, I rounded up to 1 gram per 1,000 sq. ft., which has worked for me without any turf injury. Second, I'm not a professional, but this stuff comes down to good math and studying the label. That said, I just checked the label and it recommended the following application rate for Kentucky Bluegrass and Fine Fescue: "Apply 0.25 to 0.5 oz of MSM Turf Herbicide per acre for control of the listed weeds. Do not exceed a total of 0.5 oz per acre within a 9-month period." I recommend buying a gram weight scale and apply at a rate of anywhere between 0.20 grams and 0.33 grams per 1 gallon of water for 1,000 sq. ft. with a good surfactant. Try a small test patch and increase the application rate up to 1 gram if necessary, but it's imperative to start at a low rate. This approach monitors turf injury. Nonetheless, you should probably spend a bit of time to identify certain weeds in your yard. Google Lens is an amazing resource. Then check the label for the application rate for that particular weed and adjust your application rate accordingly. For example, if you're treating Lespedeza, the recommended application rate is between 0.33 and 0.5 oz per acre, which translates to 0.23 grams and 0.31 grand per 1,000 sq. ft. Therefore, you wouldn't need as much product as you would with a more troublesome weed like Virginia Buttonweed which requires 1 oz per acre. Formula = Label Application Rate (e.g., 1 oz) / 43,560 x n / 1,000. Cross multiply. 43,560n x 1,000. Solve for n. 1000/43,560. N = 0.0229.... convert to grams = 0.651 grams. Hope this makes sense. Key takeaway is apply at a rate of anywhere between 0.20 grams and 0.33 grams per 1 gallon of water for 1,000 sq. ft. with a good surfactant. Increase rate if needed.
@@MikeThePike316 thanks for the quick response it's really appreciated I have a digital scale n yes in my area the grass types u mentioned are the most popular do to the cold weather we get on the east coast will give a shot with you're grams / per one gallon at the low rate n take it from there thanks again for taking the time to reply 🤙🏽
Hi Jason, I watch your channel often and have used a lot of your information. I am putting granular baricade down. The application rate on my spreader is going to be 7.5. Should I be going 3.25 going both directions? or 7.5 going both directions? Thanks in advance. Bill
Why are most herbicides limited to two applications per year? Is it because of environmental concerns or because it will harm the lawn or both? What happens to the lawn if either products in video is applied 3 times a year (basically 1.5X the annual max rate)? I know I could always choose a different herbicide after two applications but just wondering why it seems that the limit is usually 2 times for every product.
Could I add/mix Surfactant for Herbicides with this two products? Or would it damage the lawn? Also can I add this 2 product to zoysia and bermuda, and fescue lawn?
Thanks for this. I’m learning a lot from your videos. I do have a couple questions. Can MSM Turf be mixed with atrazine? And does the Resolute act as a spot treatment or does it need a complete covering of the yard to kill weed seeds? Is there a hose end sprayer that would work for Resolute? I have a backpack sprayer but even with its four gallon capacity, it would wear you out to spray the whole yard. Some kind of hose end device would be necessary unless one just puts it on in granular form.
Hi thank you for the information, I'm live in north dallas TX, Can we put some fertilizer in th same mix? Ca we use these combination for a bermuda grass installed 4 months ago(at Dec 2020)?
Is the MSM Turf temperature-sensitive? I know the cheaper (amine) form of 3-way is, and that's why I can't use it right now (it needs to be at least 60-65 F, I think, for foliar uptake).
Msm does not work in up and down temps especially in Jan and Feb months u really have to up the rate in cold months because it's not effective speed zone southern works great in cold temps because it has dicamba and 2 4d in it kills weeds on contact and it's rainfast msm is not rainfast but it's every effective in summer months
Hey Jason, Thank you so much for all you do and I can't wait to see you again at the next Lawn Care Life Conference. Thanks to your help and the other guys at the conference, we're almost ready to start spraying. The only thing I'm having a hard time finding is a video or training course on how to actually spray. Would it be possible for you to make a video showing the actual technique and patterns you use while spraying a lawn and how you would spray around obstacles, driveways, shrubs? What not to spray, when it's too wet or windy, etc? I would be happy to pay you for a video of you spraying a few different lawns. I've found plenty of training on every other aspect, but almost nothing on the actual application.
Does the MSM turf not have separate directions for spot treatments if using a backpack sprayer? When we are doing spot applications of our 3-way pesticides (2-4-d/generic killex) they have separate broadcast and spot app rates. The mixing per acre is also based on the spray pressure and pattern, you can spray an acre with a low volume of water or a higher amount depending on the strength of the mix. Backpack units will come up on the lower volume of water per acre with most spray heads and their low pressures compared to using a truck mount spray tank and wand. Shouldn’t be hard to measure out the MSM even at a rate of .25oz per acre since a backpack can easily cover an acre with 6 gallons, so 2 loads of 3 gallons with .125oz of chem and the graduated cylinder goes down to .1oz. Even if the mix comes out a little stronger can just alter the spray pattern/rate/movement speed to compensate. Best thing to do is do test sprays with whatever system you intend to use with water. Measure the output gal/litre per minute or second, and do the same at the intended application walking speed to get coverage per minute/second. Once I get the flow rate of a spray rig the next thing I do is time how long it takes to cover a per determined square feet at the speed I intend to work/walk. From there you can calculate the application rate per square foot and how much chemical you need per gallon/litre to meet the application rate. Without metering the spray rate everything else is meaningless, you can follow mixing directions on a label to the letter that are based on a given coverage rate, but then shoot the spray at a totally different rate from your equipment and if the pesticide solution wasn’t appropriately adjusted the application rate will be wrong.
Thanks for the video, where can we buy that prodiamine measuring cup? Actually weighing it out is a pain and I’ve never seen that cup before until now. Thank you
So say you have a 1 gallon sprayer and you want to use the MSM Turf to kill Bahia grass, I would think a dropper would be a good way to go. If so, how many drops per gallon would you use? Wouldn’t it be basically like one drop or maybe two per gallon? Let’s just say that math is not my strong suit! LOL
I have learned the hard way that MSM Turf and Negate 37WG are best reserved for warm weather grasses only. If you have any desire to have fescue or winter rye grass then these post-emergent chemicals will kill the vegetation. Apply these to warm season grasses only regardless of what the label might say. Trust me!
We have St Augustine in Texas. I got weeds but I don't know what kind. it looks like clover, but never sprouts into clover (so, I figure its not clover). This stuff pops up everywhere in random spots. That darn Scott's "Texas" Weed & Feed didn't do diddly. I'm looking like crazy for something that is gonna work. Found this video and one other elsewhere for something called Tenacity. Not sure which way to go.
@@chefsantos2847 Thanks Santos! I checked with the Tenacity website and they replied Tenacity is not to be used on St Augustine lawns (FYI). I'll look for Lawn Care Nut, appreciate it!
I have Bahia grass and I've watched every video of yours and anybody else's I can find about using MSM turf in a handheld sprayer to get rid of it. I have also Bermuda grass that I would like to keep but I cannot find for the life of me. Anybody going to detail on how to use MSM turf and a handheld sprayer
It takes a tiny, tiny amount. It is hard to measure for a hand-held sprayer. I spray it at 1/4 oz per acre. I typically mix it in a much larger batch and then spray that into a handheld sprayer. For example, I may only put a quarter of an ounce in about 80 gallons of water
@@lawncarelife it's really sad because I can't find another way to get rid of this Bahia that's trying to take over the lawn of the house I just bought. The previous owners just must not have cared. I see that it has to be agitated properly to make sure it's dispersed evenly throughout the solution and suspended. I wouldn't even know how to shake an 80 gallon anything to be able to dissolve it lol do you have any other recommendations for getting rid of Bahia? By the way, I appreciate you taking the time to reply to this. I really have watched a ton of your videos. I never thought I'd be one of the lawn care homeowners but here I am. Lol
MSM Turf is a little rough on centipede. Centipede is on the label but I've seen it turn the grass yellow. I would wait until the grass is fully green before using it and I would use it at a low rate. I would not spray it during spring transition
Jason, um, it's RAINING again you know we need the Rain because we are so scorched here in Alabama. Will these be sprays be washed away, if you spray and it rains the next day? You know because its RAINING🤪
Raining here in Columbia, SC as well. My Pre-M went down 02 February and the next isn’t due until 07 March unless it warms up good beforehand. Had a few days of 70+ so did a Tri Herbicide and that went well on some of the winter weeds but the jury is still out on the summer annuals. MSM 60 is in the shed for the Bahia that’s trying to take over the world so I have that to look forward to after the Centipede greens up good.
The info on msm turf is not complete, I have used this product for many years as a commercial applicator and would never recommend it to a homeowner who is not savvy with how much to put out, this product can have a lot of soil residual and activity depending on soil pH and has to be sprayed properly, it’s not like roundup or most other herbicides where if you stop under a tree and don’t shut off the spray right after it’s not that big a deal, msm is hard on trees especially oak and can damage a large tree if concentrated in the root zone. Fahrenheit herbicide is better for home owners but still be carful, especially in high pH or sandy soil. Don’t kill your trees over a couple of dollars. Produamine is a great product.
Good point. MSM turf can cause damage to oak trees. I try to stay away from oak trees with it and I also recommend using it at a very low rate like a quarter ounce per acre
Lawn Care Life yep I learned the hard way. New to spraying my own lawn and had that same measuring cup and was going to .1 per 1000 each time. Killed it and the bushes. My trees looked sick too. Thank god i was renting
