How to learn a language for a trip abroad 

He tells you what needs to be done in order to be successful. That's actually the opposite of crazy. But you're not wrong either. 😂

@@user-nm3ug3zq1y the point of phrasebooks is that the everyday Joe doesn't have the time to learn languages and they just want to acquire a few useful phrases (and hopefully get a few nods of approval from the locals in the process). They aren't going beyond that point to learn the language of the country that they are visiting, generally, they are there for a short holiday and may never return. The general everyday traveler won't have the passion to learn the language (or time), just look at the majority of Uk residents that travel to Malaga, or Americans going to Cancun or tijuana. Steve's great at promoting his product, and he does it well. But, I wish he'd stop promoting it when i feel it really isn't necessary to do so. I think everyone that watches this channel is bored to death of his infomercials. If he wants to spread the love of his language learning on to others, charge a small one time annual fee or lifetime fee. But, as it is with people, it's generally just about the $$$$

Well, he’s starting at 9000, and Turkish is very inflected

Lingq just doesn't count them properly. 20,000 may actually be half of that or less.

i'm 24 years old turkish native and i have 12,000 :(

@@Metehannnb, as a native speaker, one frequently underestimates how many words one actually knows. Just being surrounded by the language every day by going to school for a decade, by watching TV etc, you pick up so much ... Also, it's not only about the absolute number. Knowing each word intimately, in all sorts of different contexts, that probably makes up the biggest part of understanding a language.

​@user-nm3ug3zq1y Definitely, it's a great app but it's a bit annoying that in some languages, when a word goes alongside a particle it doesn't mark the word you did before, and sometimes you don't even remember if you did it or no

Lingq 20,000 is more like 10,000 actual words. Let's say he's between B1 and B2 already and knows half of the words. That would be 50 more new words a day to make the goal. That's roughly reading 10 pages of some novel a day. It's not as much as it sounds.

@@user-nm3ug3zq1y not to mention the fact that Lingq counts everything written without spaces as a "word". In Turkish this means that any agglutinative compound is a "word" (i.e. counting gittiğim and girmiş, gittiğimde and giderken, gidiyor and gitmez all as separate words).

@@saiminayatullah6620, omg, absolutely. I use it for Japanese, which uses no spaces whatsoever. Imagine the amount of random pseudo-words popping up all the time, inflating my vocabulary like crazy. Lingq leaves a lot to be desired, if we're honest.

Agreed, my brain malfunctions because our beloved Steve doesn't need them and I link those thumbnails to incompetent youtubers like Mr.Beast and others. Steve's content has value that very few channels have.

I agree. Trying to be like every other RU-vid thumbnail is not cute.

I agree too

Clickbait thumbnails are not good

even if you're right , you have to be respectfull . especially to your elders

It counts your passive vocabulary, not your active vocabulary.

İstanbulda "görüşebiliriz." instead of görüşürüz olabilir. I know, it is weird :D Enjoy your trip! İyi yolculuklar!

The only problem I have with chatgpt is that its breakdowns are often inaccurate, at least with less common languages. For example, I’m learning Nepali but there aren’t many resources for it so I asked chatgpt to break down some lyrics from a Nepali song I liked, but when I double checked the results by starting a new conversation and asking the same question it gave me a completely different translation.

you can speak basic level Turkish in a month by listening 1 lesson per day from my first list. each lesson is 30 minutes daily conversation with English explanation

That makes sense. With 16,000 actual words known, the number of new words you encounter in any real life source would be lower than 1 percent. It's time then to dive into actual literature, science-heavy writing and stuff like that in order to push yourself further.

In short: Phrase books give you a false confidence.

@@user-nm3ug3zq1y Only if you think they are actually teaching you the language. Phrase books are just tools and they have their place in communication.

Most different forms of a word shouldn't count as separate words in my opinion. I think most language standards bodies think the same. LingQ is pretty unique in the way it counts words. I have learned German, so if I know that the verb "arbeiten" means to work, then I know the six singular & plural forms of the verb over the six tenses and three modes as different words? That 108 words! Plus of course "Arbeiten" is a noun and it counts as a word, plus all the adverbs and adjectives that derive from it. That's a shitload of words! Steve is likely to learn 2,000 words as a target that most people would recognise as a new words

@@davidbrisbane7206 I think this is a very fair assessment. Thanks for the insight on German! 😂 I'd assume it's far far easier to treat the different forms simply as separate words programming wise. I cannot see it being worth the time on investment for the LingQ team to add all those rules and exceptions for every language they support. I suppose it makes barely any difference to the end user anyway. Other than as Steve says, a higher 'new word learned' count would be more motivating. Which leads to more user retention... yeah, I don't think they'll be changing it haha

Turkish has a lot of forms per word, but anyway Steve has a very good memory

LingQ counts as it does due to technical limitations, but a useful side effect is that it allows word count to serve as a better proxy for actual level because it encodes information about grammar knowledge. The truth is learning one form of a verb doesn’t mean you are actually able to use other forms.

Not even that, if it's managed as arbitrarily as at Lingq.

@@user-nm3ug3zq1y Why arbitrarily? I never used LingQ.

@@user-nm3ug3zq1y How so arbitrarly? I never used that app.

I am learning Greek too. I need to go there soon. Good luck with your studies👍

Yes, the Greeks, on Crete and in Athens were vey tolerant of my efforts and encouraging.

@@Thelinguist Aaahw thank you for answering me.. I am going by myself for the first time in my life. I will just see it as a study trip. Notebook with me everywhere i go. I am going to Corfu this time. I've been to Crete too and to Cyprus, Rhodes and many times to Kos (about 11 times i think).. Needless to say i loooove Greece haha.. Have a lovely weekend xxx Juliette

@@jimmorrison2657 Hello and happy friday.. O how nice that you are learning Greek too.. how do you study if i may ask? Are you doing a course with a teacher or by yourself with an app of some sort?? I wish you good luck too.. .. If you know where you'll be going in Greece please let me know. I am going to Corfu this time. A somewhat smaller island and i will rent a scooter for a couple of days to explore. Have a freat weekend xxx Juliette

@@jetjegoesdutch7933 Hi Juliette. That's sounds great. I have been to Corfu when I was younger. I probably won't be going back for a few years though. I roughly follow the Refold method, which is basically just as much immersion as possible. I watch videos and read books. I started reading the famous 5 in Greek, then Sherlock Holmes, and now a Greek author. What about you?

It makes it tricky to compare languages. 20,000 in Chinese vs. 20,000 in German would put you at a wholly different level.

For languages that have more forms that English and especially those that have dozens of forms, that way eventually stops making much sense in terms of progression. Not all forms are equally tricky and not all of them are equally useful. You can be able to recognise the form even if you've never seen it before and are unlikely to see it again. Languages like Turkish or Japanese are very regular compared to languages like English, French, Russian, Spanish or Swedish. Russian does not boast ten cases or complex conjugation systems but we have participles (more common in writing but still). They behave like adjectives, so you get 12 different endings free of charge.:) A verb like ЧИТАТЬ "read" has an infinitive, 2×3 present-tense forms, 2 imperative forms (chitai, chitaite) and 4 past-tense forms, 13 endings in total. It also has a converb, and four participles (chitayushchiy, chitavshiy, chitaemiy, chitanniy). Theoretically, you have a converb and 48 participle forms. In reality, participles would be less common than using the verb normally (especially in speech)-and if you are comfortable with adjectives, then participle endings are nothing new to you. A random native speaker likely never heard all 48 forms (in particular, oblique cases of chitanniy "the one that was being read"). In that sense, "mastering" yet another rarely used and absolutely regular form of a verb does not give you much boost in terms of understanding the language. Your first forms that are like that-yeah, they definitely do. After a few hundred, you can probably produce or recognise them on any verb in your sleep. Even withing the language, learning the present and the past forms are important, while those 48 forms are largely different endings that you already know. English is the opposite of that: for instance, the meanings of "give in", "knock up", "take off", "look after", "cut it out" do not follow from the meanings of their parts in any predictable way; the first time you encounter them, they are new words to you.

@@HalfgildWynac I see your point but I do not know what other metric could be used. The good thing about the rarely used forms is they may not appear nor get added. I can mechanically conjugate regular verbs easily in Russian so I agree knowing one is kind of like knowing a bunch. I would still say perfective vs non perfective are separate words. If you know those two forms, you can usually generate most of the other forms if regular. That said, I am ok with counting them all as it feels like progress, even if a little deceptive.

it should accumulate known words and suffixes differently. so that; cat=1 word cats=1word +plural suffix but when it accumulates so that; dog=1 word dogs=another 1 word cat=Another 1 word cats=another 1 word so it accumulates totally 4 words. but it should accumulate 2 words and 1 plural suffix

Turkish grammar is all about suffixes. so it should accumulate root words differently and each suffix differently. for example; gelemeyebilirmiş=i heard that he may will not be able to come. - gel=come e=able me=not y=buffer letter between 2 vowels ebil=may ir=will miş=i heard that (no subject suffix means subject is s/he/it - gelemeyebilirlermiş=i heard that they may will not be able to come. -ler=They subject pronoun

Abartmayalım lütfen 🙏 kırsal kesimlerde bile bu kadar az kelime kullanılmıyor. Birde buna yöresel halk dili eklenince ortaya şölenimsi bir durum çıkıyor. Anlamıyorum neden kendi kendimizi bu kadar çok eleştiriyoruz ki 😕

​@@user-bi4qy9py2hanadolu cahilliği

Sen öyle konuşuyorsun diye herkezi de kendin gibi sanıyorsun galiba.

@@placebo_7505 Önce "herkes" yazmayı öğren, ondan sonra laf sokmaya çalış.

@@c.tamircisi Google ses özelliğini kullandım. Kendi öyle yazmış. Ayrıca laf sokmadım, kendi yazdığını sana yazdım. 100 kelimelik kişilik.

As there is nothing on LingQ right now, I highly recommend the RU-vid channel Comprehensible Thai. They have sooooo much videos from zero to advanced and I find it so easy to pick things up from their videos :)

Why do you even care about that? Just continue reading. Your brain has some fixed ratio of words learned per words readen, which largely depends on your memory power. If you want to learn more every day, you have to read and study more as well. Steve may have this ratio higher than you and me. I don't think you can find an easy way to change the ratio itself. Also, Lingq counts each form as a separate word, so word count looks better for synthetic languages (like Turkish or Russian) compared to analytic ones like English.

That’s fascinating! I’m always keen to learn about people’s successes. I’d love to hear more about your achievements.

This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.

After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.

I know Ana Graciela Blackwelder, and I have also had success...

Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Ana Graciela Blackwelder.

Constantinople?

Yes. Istanbul = Constantinople

Steve counts yapıyor and yapıyorum as two words. I would count them as one word. I think with 4000 words as I count it you are on B2 level.

back burner since I decided to go to Turkey.