Nice tricks. Now we in psytrance scene have to learn how to make our old style rolling bass not so punchy to fit this new influences of techno. ;) Its amazing how this styles that have different audiences have come closer in last years.
Guys don't be jerks. Yes, it is a bassline mainly used on Psytrance...so? It can be used in another genres too. Take the lessons, apply them as you want and experiment
Haha cheers! "psytrance" rolling bassline is used in techno for many years now, and it is getting popular lately. (From Charlotte De Witte to Eli Brown to HI-LO etc, they all use it at the moment) "no this is not techno" people will eventualy get over it.
I’m totally with you. On the other hand, it’s just not healthy to label everything as techno. It’s weird. I know the type of sound being called techno these days, but this is also why graphics cards label themselves as “Gaming Cards” or whatever. The scene is a huge money grab, and that’s part of what’s so wrong, especially with the techno "scene". Sure, I know this doesn’t really matter, and personally, it doesn’t bother me at all, but I think it just adds up, and it doesn’t feel real. Then again, in this fake world, what is real anyway? Still, I think we have to start drawing lines. :) Alicia, you are wonderful, and I love your content! :)
I’ve been searching for a tutorial like this for a long time. Nailed it. Thank you. I find it hard to find kicks like this. Do they feature in any of your sample packs and where did you source yours? Funny how some commenters haven’t noticed the use of psytrance basslines in countless peaktime techno tracks.
Hey Alice, BIG FAN, thanks for fab tips & tricks. I'm happy to hear that I've been doing something similar-it reassures me that I'm on the right track. I do have a question though: Is it essential to keep the kicks, snares, and hi-hats in the same key as the rest of the project? I'm an aspiring electronic music producer, just starting out, and I haven't been able to find a clear answer to this anywhere, so I thought I'd ask you directly. Hope that's alright!
Happy to hear that! Kicks: If you have a longer kick with a sustained tail that has a stable pitch, than it is better to have it in key. If kick is short or do not have a stable pitch, then you can ignore it. Snares: They rarely have stable pitch. So mostly you can ignore it. Hats: Dont bother.
If you have a look at Anthony Marrenilli Music website he has a nice kick sample pack and they are all in the key of C so if you use any you know which way to transpose them. There's some really nice clean kicks so you can add what ever on them. Great starting point.
So nice as usual Alice ! Little question on the side, I also love Blackbox so much but the internal routing remains mysterious to me... I see you don't activate the in/out button for the saturation knob (which I think is pre parrallel saturation) but still use the two main pentode and triode ones. Can someone explain how the global routing of this is working? It feels the pentode and triode knobs are independant from the saturation knob but is that still feeding it? When should we activate the saturation knob section and why? 😇
Glad you liked it! Blackbox is one of my favourite and routing is actually quite simple; this can help: files.plugin-alliance.com/products/black_box_analog_design_hg-2/black_box_analog_design_hg-2_manual.pdf
Not anymore. 😅 For the people who wants to hear how this is used in Techno tracks, here are some reference tracks, Eli Brown - Be the One Maddix - My Gasoline Charlotte De Witte - How You Move
Its all good but there is one thing. When i listen to commercial tracks, i hear that kick sub is huge while bass sub is much weaker or it could be otherwise, Seems like they cut sub part on one of the sound (kick or bass). Havent figure it out yet but i clearly here on my mixies that when i have same sub khz of kick and bass, i hear how bass sounds like kick when it hits. So why am i writing it? Do they really cut sub frequncies at 40 or maybe even 60 khz?
The resonance in the filter isn’t always de same…without render 1/16 of the sum of the layers, I listen diferent bass sounds every time. Before render you need also to try different phase of that layers so that they seat better :):) ❤
Hey, i do not understand how the sub layer of the bass doesnt interfer with the sub of the kick , when the kick is almost 1/4 of a bar long. How do you get the levels right there? I am always struggling with having way too much sub so i usually cut all the bass sub away to make room for the kick sub and get a really good seperation there.
Sub is docked when the kick hits so they are only play together at the end of the tail. (See 2:32 in the video, you can see it visually) Though kick is not 1/4 long, it is slightly shorter than 1/8.
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whenever i make techno i just start by going "pah-mm pah-mm pah-mm pah-mm" and then add more sounds to it. it doesn't even seem like it matters where the notes go like in other music, as long as the sounds don't overpower the kick and the bass
this is just a trance bass line. HI-LO, Maddix and all use a rumble, sometimes a rolling mid bass. I know its catchy to say techno these days but its just a bit cringe
Simply not true. HI-LO uses rolling bass-lines more than rumble basslines. (Listen HI-LO's top 5 tracks on Spoty, 3 of them have rolling bassline) Maddix uses both. Just listen his one of latest release, My Gasoline, you will hear that he used this exact basslines.
