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I go through a practical exercise myself to measure the value of a capacitor with an oscilloscope. This is to prepare for a future tutorial and reviews of LCR meters.
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@ckreitlein
@ckreitlein 8 лет назад
I am a beginner with the oscilloscope ... and I am a teacher (both high school and adults at night school). Your delivery and explanations are outstanding. I rarely see an instructor deliver the sort of simple detail that a beginner needs....but you, my friend, did. Thank you and congrats.
@rockapedra1130
@rockapedra1130 9 лет назад
Great video. Like many people have said, when you are measuring such a tiny tiny value capacitor, then there are a ton of other stray capacitances that confound the measurement - the probe, the wiring, the breadboard, they all have values in the pF range so you are actually trying to do something pretty difficult. These stray values don't affect the measurement of the bigger capacitors much because the stray values are so much smaller in comparison. When measuring something small like this, you might want to connect a bunch of them in parallel (the capacitances will add) and then divide by the number of capacitors you used to get the answer for a single one of them.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 9 лет назад
Andre Sant'Anna Thanks very much for your input Andre.
@muppetpaster
@muppetpaster 4 года назад
Even the capacitance of your bum on the chair....
@FranklinNewhart
@FranklinNewhart 2 года назад
@@muppetpaster The capacitance of the bum on the chair is inversley perportional to how interesting the video is and like a capacitor it will short to ground as soon as the interest peeks and it will need to dump its load..
@freon500
@freon500 11 лет назад
Thank you Martin. I enjoy your videos very much and find them very enlightening. Above all you are extremely kind and sensitive to your viewers and assume them to be with it, this is one of the reasons you shine. As I view your presentations I sense a generous collaborative spirit as you plunge into your latest ideas with your great toys.
@Taco274x4
@Taco274x4 6 лет назад
Thank you for taking the time to explain!!! Keep up the AWESOME work!!! I learned quite a bit and I like how you take the time to explain things.
@fsudave87
@fsudave87 3 года назад
I really like the way you have the handheld testing tools organized on the top shelf above your workbench. Inspiring!
@paullee6256
@paullee6256 Год назад
10 years on, you remain one of the best, if not the best teacher in the subject matter. Great presentation, insightful instructions and knowledge sharing. Thank you so much for your tutorials. I am sure many amateur diy enthusiasts like myself have benefitted immensely because of your generosity and great work.
@JMParsell
@JMParsell 7 лет назад
Thank you for your kind, intelligent, and inspiring videos.
@tonypoloney8721
@tonypoloney8721 8 месяцев назад
Great explanation and teaching skills. I'm a 67 year old newbie ham radio enthusiast from the UK. I lived in SA for around 27 years. Keep up the good work. Totsiens and 73s.
@stevegelnett4469
@stevegelnett4469 3 года назад
Man, this was a great lesson. I’m glad I saw the difficulty you had because it mirrors my experience. Big help.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
Thanks for the input and feedback...appreciated!
@ele4853
@ele4853 8 лет назад
Great job Martin! thank you so much for explaining this very important concept. I like the way you go, explain the concept first then go to real world example, better yet, step by step. It is nice too that you along the way make mistakes and comment on that later so we can learn from that too. Way to go! keep up with the good work!
@RoxanaCourrier
@RoxanaCourrier 8 лет назад
Very methodical procedure and therefor a very good tutorial. I appreciated and enjoyed watching!
@simeonmeshackimologie506
@simeonmeshackimologie506 2 года назад
Apart from your cool spirit, one thing I love about you is your humility. knowing and accepting that you can also learn from your students is a great attribute of a good teacher. Thank you so much.
@pekkagronfors7304
@pekkagronfors7304 7 лет назад
Great video! The "babbling and stumbling" in some parts of the video is actually great for beginners like me.
@spamlessaccount
@spamlessaccount Год назад
Not sure why a 9 year old video popped up in my feed, but I enjoyed it. Two comments: (1) Since you're measuring the rise time of a square wave, the frequency really isn't going to be a factor unless your rise time exceeds your cycle time. (2) The noise is present on both the 47nf and the 4.7pf traces, but it's more filtered with the larger capacitor. You can still see the "fuzz" on the 47nf trace. A higher input voltage would probably help clear that up. (3) you'll get a more accurate reading if you put your "Y" cursors in the middle of the "fuzz". OK three comments LOL ETA: (four comments) (4) the 4.7pF is probably inaccurate because you're down in the range of the capacitance of the scope leads and or the function generator, both of which will alter the rise time.
@ohmedarick1
@ohmedarick1 6 лет назад
Thank you Great Video. Keep up the good work. I enjoyed the journey you made and the comments below of some...
@TheKrish1982
@TheKrish1982 11 лет назад
Great Job Mr Lorton,as always.Love the way you do your videos.Like I said you are one of the best tutors I have ever been privileged to see.And loved the part where you try to get the calculations to work for the 4.7pf..Really admire your honesty. Totally agree with the gentleman who talks about the oscilloscope probes adding their own capacitance...I had that happening to me at my work, once, This was with a RC circuit and the probe capacitance's were upsetting my calculations too.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
My pleasure, thanks for the feedback.
@utkf16
@utkf16 3 года назад
I enjoyed this and learnt from it. Im at a very basic level but like to stretch out into the hobby beyond building blindly from other peoples schematics. Im glad you kept all the content in and gave me the chance to see you process through the challenges. Thank you
@always_broke_LOL
@always_broke_LOL 2 года назад
Great explanation of how to do measurements on the oscilloscope plus doing a step by step on calculations.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
@marbleshark6
@marbleshark6 9 лет назад
I love this guy - thanks so much Martin for generously donating your time to educating others with your excellent tutorial videos... I've learnt a lot and it's set me well on the way :) Cheers
@TheStrelok7
@TheStrelok7 7 лет назад
i'm a computer engineer and i found this videos very useful for me ,thanks for illustration .
@SimpleEnough2k9
@SimpleEnough2k9 10 лет назад
Martin, as a suggestion, I found another easy way to evaluate the capacitance with a scope. Using the same circuit as you have, set the frequency in such a way that the voltage across the capacitor will be half of the voltage across the resistor. Once there, apply the Sqrt(3)/(2*PI*F*R) formula. Quick and easy, less gymnastic with the cursors. Have fun!
@stephmo371
@stephmo371 6 лет назад
This video saved my lifeeeeeee! Thank you for such an in depth video
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks very much for the feedback.
@always_broke_LOL
@always_broke_LOL 3 месяца назад
Great explanation of how to use an oscilloscope and measure a capacitor!
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
You are correct...the cheaper scopes can't do both at the same time...I will highlight this in a future video. Cheers, Martin.
@AeonFlexMusic
@AeonFlexMusic 11 лет назад
this is brilliant, and again, thank you for investing your time
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks for the suggestion...I just bypassed the decade box and no change..I will see if I can test to see if the probe might be the issue nest.
@Tankaroonies
@Tankaroonies 9 лет назад
Like it mate, Like you I make the same mistakes you do; unedited video is great. Thanks, I learned from it, at the same time as enjoying the the video's journey.
@fabriziolavini7457
@fabriziolavini7457 Год назад
Thank you so much for describing every detail, unlike most of electronic youtubers who tend to give important things for granted. To learn (at least from a mono-neuronic point of view as in my case) it's mandatory to understand to understand it's important to follow every step, so that i could even repeat it. I know that will get to make and submit a very long video, but i myself really prefer this kind of method (in fact i don't even dare to watch short videos).
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
Thanks for the feedback.
@davidjones6288
@davidjones6288 2 месяца назад
Well ... here we are in 2024 and it's still one of the best tutorials, simply because it is utterly honest. We all struggle at times and this was so typical of life amongst we technicians when striving to prove our stuff and ourselves. Today, I have a little gadget that ws purchased around 2010, and it will measure capacitance to within a fraction of a puff quite accurately (it says), in about 15 seconds. However, theoretically, just walking into a room changes things. Thank you for a splendid video ... greatly appreciated.
@mrphil1092
@mrphil1092 Год назад
Great job, very well explained.
@Taylor-Made-Designs
@Taylor-Made-Designs 9 лет назад
Awsum video very understandable and educationall and im trying to learn basic electronics love the way you explain things keep up the good work
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks for the post....good points...noted.
@noumantajik6451
@noumantajik6451 9 лет назад
Thanks for tutorials, It is Really Helpful, Good Luck :)
@ahmedabdalsalam6017
@ahmedabdalsalam6017 9 лет назад
thanks for your effort.
@maxxpellowski2916
@maxxpellowski2916 4 года назад
Brilliant video! Thank you SOOO much.
@henrykpycha1637
@henrykpycha1637 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for the slow explanation of the issue. I can understand everything. People often speak too fast and cannot explain things well. Thank you very much, best regards.
@supershwa27
@supershwa27 10 лет назад
An impressive arsenal of tools on your workbench, and lots of know-how! I think a 5 minute version based on the [title] of the video would be helpful, but the long version does show you're qualified as a cyber-teacher. +Awesome
@321reh
@321reh 9 лет назад
Very Well Done Video..Thanks Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
Thanks...noted and annotation added to your video. Cheers, Martin.
@roastbeef82
@roastbeef82 9 лет назад
You explained that very well ... Subscribed
@wbfog
@wbfog 8 лет назад
Very nice tutorial. Mad scope skills!
@gregoriustheking
@gregoriustheking 10 лет назад
Very good. I'm curious, did the probe cable capacitance affect the accuracy the 47pF test? As some one else also asked, can you do a ESR tutorial with a scope and function gen
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
Thanks for your post.
@johnmiller8678
@johnmiller8678 10 лет назад
Persistence, very interesting video. Thanks
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
Good question! Let me add that to the list.
@FaultyGearbox
@FaultyGearbox 10 лет назад
Thanks for the video. Makes me want to purchase an oscilloscope even more. :)
@DogRox
@DogRox 8 лет назад
I know this is an old video but I found it very educational. I really appreciate this video. Also I read what Andre said in his comment. That does make a lot of sense what he said. But still I did learn quite a lot of this video I'm going to experiment with that myself. thanks for the tutorial. :-)
@hqiu6828
@hqiu6828 4 года назад
Good demonstration of capacitance calculation!
@jimc7139
@jimc7139 9 лет назад
Enjoy your tutorials!! Keep going!! Great approach and delivery. Additionally, any advice on purchasing my first oscilloscope? I do not have a lot of funds for this but I do want to purchase something that will be useful over the long run. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you!
@tikabass
@tikabass 9 лет назад
Nice and useful demonstration, it's great you take the time to do this. A couple of notes: in actual practice, you really need to zoom in more on the front of the waveform to get a more precise measurement, Also, it is often more practical (and faster to do) to increase/decrease the frequency of the wave generator to match the resistor / capacitance pair, intead of changing the resistor value (which could be a specially selected resistor).
@GeDePeU
@GeDePeU 9 лет назад
EXPLANATION OF THE pF ERROR When measuring a very small capacitance value (in the pF range) your measurement is influenced by the parasitic capacitance of the oscilloscope (~10-30pF), of the oscilloscope probe (~10-20pF) and of the test stand (~xxpF). You should measure the parasitic capacitance of the system first (without holding the wires with your hands), then connect your capacitor, measure the new value and subtract the parasitic value from the compound value. I presume you had a 55.2pF parasitic capacitance in the measurement system which added to the 4.7pF you were trying to measure (59.9pF=4.7pF+55.2pF). In the case of larger capacitors (nF range or larger) the effect of the parasitic capacitance is irrelevant: 220nF+55.2pF=220.0552nF so basically no difference. Also, capacitance does NOT change with frequency although impedance DOES! No electronic component is purely resistive, capacitive or inductive. This however is another discussion! :)
@muppetpaster
@muppetpaster 4 года назад
I think that is why he starts with explaining that he is saving up for a good and precise LCR-meter.....
@paulg.3067
@paulg.3067 3 года назад
And how would you measure the parasitic capacitance? Connect the function generator through a resistor directly to the scope?
@WizRumburak
@WizRumburak 3 года назад
"You should measure the parasitic capacitance of the system first (without holding the wires with your hands), then connect your capacitor, measure the new value and subtract the parasitic value from the compound value."
@thuglifescorpion
@thuglifescorpion 3 года назад
With what frequency should I measure ESR in circuit then?
@GeDePeU
@GeDePeU 3 года назад
@@thuglifescorpion What do you mean?
@romankysely
@romankysely 9 лет назад
Martin, thx. All videos was for me realy usefull. Keep going...
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 9 лет назад
Roman Kyselý My pleasure Roman, thanks for the post.
@hardkore360
@hardkore360 Год назад
great explanation and video! would this also work with SMD caps on a board? or would the connecting circuitry give you false readings?
@MarcosRamirez349
@MarcosRamirez349 10 лет назад
thank you so much, electronics is amazing!!
@DIYTAO
@DIYTAO 11 лет назад
When you are testing that 4.7 PicoFarad cap, keep in mid that your scope probe has much more capasitance in it (typically 15-20pf).. also the scope probe has about 10M impedance that is close to your 1M Source side resistance that tries to charge to cap. Also all those leads from sig-gen and resistor box add some capasitance parallel to the cap measured slowing down the charge curve.
@snipersquad100
@snipersquad100 11 лет назад
Thanks, you got me thinking now.
@MrSlowpokee
@MrSlowpokee 7 лет назад
Awesome tutorial! I am really jealous of your work space.
@natalialev8774
@natalialev8774 3 года назад
Thank you very much for that video and a very clear explanation. Especially at this difficult time to provide any Laboratories to the students, that video may bring a big addition to any physics course. Only I would add the next: to provide the circuit diagrams to each experiment. You showed the connections at the knots, but the entier diagram would help to understand the entire connection. Thank you very much again for your dedication.
@gabrielebarbaraci3161
@gabrielebarbaraci3161 9 лет назад
finally I have seen someone explaining the things how must be done!!!!
@seshachary5580
@seshachary5580 Год назад
very educative. Thank you Regards
@allbeit222
@allbeit222 6 лет назад
Excellent video, Thanks
@robertpk
@robertpk 8 лет назад
@mjlorton, on the background, I see that you have a AIM-TTI generator, why did you choose it over for example Rigol series?
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Hi Alexander, I will be posting a video on this exact topic in a day or two.
@Blutnase
@Blutnase 6 лет назад
This is a very valuable exercise. Thank you very much. I noticed you have American style AC receptacles on the bench, but you're in the UK?
@steivecomfort4437
@steivecomfort4437 9 лет назад
Exxcellent, keep up the good work.
@Bully000001
@Bully000001 11 лет назад
No problem with video length. The alternative is to risk removing footage that some of us find very helpful.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks for the post William...appreciated. Cheers, Martin.
@Ju00Ls
@Ju00Ls 11 лет назад
Nice video! really enjoyed it.
@itsmekennyd
@itsmekennyd Год назад
I'm a heavy scope user you just can't beat a scope. When you can see a graph of what's going on is wonderful. I also use it in automotive testing. Often I tell people the issue what's wrong and since no codes they think I'm wrong. Months pass and they call back and say hey that's what it was. Due to heath reasons I'm getting back into board repair and it's better money and I don't have to be out in sun. I have a automotive scope pico 4425a I'm so happy I can still use this it was very expensive. Thanks for your video and information.
@tommyseacat3580
@tommyseacat3580 8 лет назад
Great video! Thanks!
@richpaul8132
@richpaul8132 6 лет назад
Great video! I like the way you start off asking the questions of why use a resistor, and wonder about the entire reasoning behind this test and its results. Those are the questions that I run through my mind as well, and I need to know why things are as they are, not just mimic a result from what I watched. I'm an enthusiast myself though I'm not nearly as advanced as you are, (and probably most of the people who watch this video), but I made a point to save your link to all your videos. I have yet to watch this entire video, (I have to go on an errand), but I'm looking forward to it. BTW Have you ever been to Mt Kilimanjaro? I haven't but I'm 62 and I want to go there within the next 5 or 6 years, (if the planet lasts that long ;). Thanks again, Rich
@geojor
@geojor 6 лет назад
always good, thank you ...
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Thanks for the post...I checked it several times to make sure and it is 1M Ohm.
@darinmorgan3520
@darinmorgan3520 5 лет назад
Good teacher! Very rare. Keep it up
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 10 лет назад
The acquire modes will be the next topic I cover in the oscilloscope tutorial series.. Thanks for the feedback.
@ulisesaguilar4392
@ulisesaguilar4392 6 лет назад
grate video Sir , learning
@pewfall2052
@pewfall2052 10 лет назад
Martin, Ignore the negative comments, 25,000 people learn something every video.
@tonyfremont
@tonyfremont 3 года назад
For those without a function generator on hand, there are a couple of other options available. Most, if not all, scopes have a built in probe compensation square wave output with a known voltage and frequency. Another option for those with a storage scope is to use the single shot mode of scope triggering, and a toggle switch, or pushbutton to apply the charging current from a known voltage source. You'd want to be sure that the capacitor is fully discharged before hand.
@BilimTek26
@BilimTek26 10 лет назад
thanks for usefull recomandations
@Sunnyskyguy
@Sunnyskyguy 10 лет назад
Dear MjL, The probe capacitance must be observed when measuring capacitance < 100pF. Probe settings for 10:1 will give a higher impedance than 1:1 and thus lower capacitance.
@roundhouse283
@roundhouse283 10 лет назад
Reducing the lead on the resister will also help. Nice video.
@sachingrpl
@sachingrpl 8 лет назад
your videos are useful for me....please clearly explain about connection.... eg: connection black to ground; connect this wire here...
@pewfall2052
@pewfall2052 10 лет назад
Great video.
@mjlorton
@mjlorton 11 лет назад
Baie dankie vir die antwoord my vriend.
@richpaul8132
@richpaul8132 6 лет назад
Great video! (as I said earlier). I'm only guessing here, but is it possible that the error you had in the 4.7 cap measurement could be due to the two components being at their extremes of the manufacturers stated tolerance percentage? That is; if the two components were to their extremes in their given tolerance, (the cap at the top of the tolerance span and the resistor at the bottom of that tolerance), is it possible that this could account for error final measurement? OR if you take in account the tolerance errors I mentioned about and then add that to the very noisy wave, could that explain it? The trace in that measurement was not only noisy, it was almost unfocused, (or appeared that way because of the noise). Therefore, a vernier line up of the X & Y datum to achieve the delta readings would, in itself, be open to considerable error, no? Anyway, thanks again for the great video! It was a well spent 45 minutes. Rich
@warplanner8852
@warplanner8852 7 лет назад
Mr Lorton, I echo the compliments on this video. Would hasten to point out that those attempting to this on a scope without cursors are royally screwed! But then again, the killer is determining the "e level" or the 62.3% point. But great kudos for showing us this method and your "failures" as well.
@mickbrandolino2298
@mickbrandolino2298 4 года назад
GOOD JOB THANKS
@ashwinbhat008
@ashwinbhat008 11 лет назад
I would say you can consider the point where its fully charged and then make an approximation of ' 5T=RC ' and work your way in finding C, this works fairly good given then 1 to 10% tolerances of normal resistors :) Good Video!!
@kaihuacheng1038
@kaihuacheng1038 10 лет назад
after watched ur video,i found my school lecture is a piece of shit. u have patient,and good attitude. really like the way u speak. keep it up
@movax20h
@movax20h 10 лет назад
Instead of using 63.21% (t = rc), you can use 86.47% (t = 2rc), because slope of voltage on capacitor is smaller there, so it is easier to find out exact spot for it. After that you do the same, but devide result by two. c = t/(2r). Also it is use as wide time division as possible. Other value to try is 75.00% (t = 1.3863 * rc), or 80.00% (t = 1.6095 * rc) which should be also easy to setup on a scope. Another approach is to take data to computer, and fit exponential function (or linear after taking logarithm). This should be much more accurate and also give you estimation of error.
@kinokase
@kinokase 10 лет назад
These are great suggestions. The exponential fit will give the best results, but obviously requires a bit more work. Using the method in this video, you were relying on the capacitor being nearly saturated by the time it hit the end of the waveform. In particular, you took y2-y1 to be the completely charged voltage. In the process you effectively measured two voltages (bottom to top of the waveform, and bottom to 63%) and one time (beginning of waveform to 63%V). There is an in-between option that would offer improvement without much more work. By adding one measurement, you can ignore the top voltage, and get better results. The big advantage is that you can use bigger resisters, since you no longer care about saturating the capacitor during a pulse, which makes for a slower rise time and better measurements. The procedure is as follows: 1) As before, pick a time that puts the voltage about halfway up the curve. This doesn't need to be precise. Forty percent or sixty percent up the curve is fine. Write down the time (measured from the beginning of the waveform) as t1. 2) Write down the corresponding voltage (measured from the bottom of the waveform) as V1. 3) Now choose t2 equal to twice t1. In other words, if t1 was 1.00 milliseconds, choose t2 to be 2.00 milliseconds. This does need to be precise in order to take advantage of an algebraic trick, and to avoid solving a nonlinear algebraic equation for the final answer. Just double t1, and measure V2 at t2. 4) The time constant, RC, is equal to (V1*t1)/(V2-V1). Note that t2 does not appear in the equation, because it is assumed to be double t1. The equation is derived from the assumption that the voltage history has the form V(t) = Vfull*(1-e^(t/RC)) and plugging in (t1,V1) to give a first equation a and (2*t1,V2) to give a second equation. Solving the pair of equations for RC gives the simple ratio above. 5) Fix my algebra and repeat step (4). I did the algebra by hand, which means I screwed it up. One more note for the future: you did a nice job of eyeballing the measurement locations, except that you measured from the top of the noise band for the top voltage, and from the bottom of the noise band at the low voltage. In this procedure, the errors roughly cancelled each other out, but in most cases your results will be better if you measure from the middle of a noise band. Thanks for the video! I'm coming back to electronics after many years, and it's great to see this kind of tinkering in a lab. Lots of fun.
@friedmule5403
@friedmule5403 6 лет назад
Thanks a lot to you both for your comments, they helped me a lot! :-)
@GaRbAllZ
@GaRbAllZ 11 лет назад
Do you plan to use a 100khz (or higher) frequency to show the reactance curve of a cap?
@AIexanderHartdegen
@AIexanderHartdegen 11 лет назад
Thank you very much!!!
@microrusty
@microrusty 10 лет назад
Thanks for the video. This really helps me learn how to use the Siglent SDS1052DL. Could you expand on how to use the average button in the acquire mode?
@trainer2018
@trainer2018 6 лет назад
Very nice job sir.
@partouelectric2353
@partouelectric2353 2 года назад
Great video thanks
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