How to measure Blackhorn 209 in weight and the difference of measuring in volume.

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I show how to measure Blackhorn 209 (BH209) in weight vs. volume in tubes.
My next video I post will be the difference in the field when I actually shoot with my .50 Caliber CVA Accura in-line muzzleloader.
My conclusion is that these tubes are not accurate. I used to just pour the BH200 straight into the tubes and eyeball it at 100 grains by volume. After measuring by weight, it seems much more precise, which I’m hoping to see if that matches up in the field. Again, stay tuned.
Here is what I’m using in this video:
1. Blackhorn 209
2. Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale- amzn.to/3bRhxsE
3. Frankford Arsenal Powder Trickler - amzn.to/3bHww8x
4. Tubes - amzn.to/3OKcZTA

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@zachchristensen1394 10 месяцев назад

We’ve only been using blackhorn 209 for 3 years but we love it we also weigh ours so much more accurate

@kavak1344 2 месяца назад

You have to weigh BH 209 because of how it's designed. All those hollow tubes lay in different angles and take up space. It doesn't seem like it, but it makes a difference when you get down to the micros

@blackpressurecartridgesolu9028 5 месяцев назад

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@tufftrucker40 Год назад

I bought some of this Blackhorn 209 but it seems way to finiky. I have pretty good results from triple 7 pellets so i think i will stick to what i know. Good video thank you

@holmesd5003 Год назад

i heard good things about those pellets are you using CVA wolf muzzle loader by chance?

@gregopelt9603 6 месяцев назад

Triple 7 doesn't come close too bh209 performance

@tufftrucker40 6 месяцев назад

@@holmesd5003 accura .50 cal

@tufftrucker40 6 месяцев назад

@gregopelt9603 you are probably right but I'm comfortable with triple 7. I'm going to play around this summer with the 209 and try to form my own opinion.

@jaredpeterson380 4 месяца назад

I've shot a lot of blackhorn and I totally agree, the tunes are not accurate.

@bubbacole1657 9 месяцев назад

If you use Pyrodex or Hodgen Loose powder and weigh it out, you get great accuracy also. Learned this from the folks at Knight Muzzleloader.

@lukesenter 9 месяцев назад

Yes sir. I have an older muzzle loader that can’t handle BH209 so I use pyrodex for that rifle.

@segarza Год назад

I always weigh every shot using an RCBS M500 scale. It's slower, but I'm not in a hurry, and no batteries to fail.

@lukesenter Год назад

I’ll have to check that one out.

@gregopelt9603 6 месяцев назад

Spray your tubes and plastic funnel with static guard and let dry for a day for static control speed loaders too

@lukesenter 6 месяцев назад

Ewe! I’ve never heard that. Thats a great tip! Thank you!

@nmhvactech5474 2 года назад

What did you get at the range? Chrono data? Better ES? Accuracy?

@lukesenter Год назад

I don’t have chrono data for you, but it definitely was more accurate and got a mule deer on public land in CO this year so glad I did this!

@michaelkilpatrick3141 10 месяцев назад

Hey Luke have you ever had the weight jumping around on that scale. Basically it want settle down. What causes that ? Thks

@lukesenter 10 месяцев назад

I haven’t. I know it’s a cheaper scale but it hasn’t jumped around on me.

@bobjoatmon1993 9 месяцев назад

You may not notice it but on some of these really sensitive digital scales just air currents in the room and/or your breath on the scale in front of you will cause that. Try bending some cardboard in a U so it is about 6 or 8 inches from the scale, about 8 to 10 inches high (like a fence blocking air currents), shielding the back and sides and probably your scale jitters will disappear.

@BossDoogles Год назад

Does blackhorn 209 and blackpowder translate 1:1 on measuring grain loads. My Remington 700 manual state a Max load of 120 grain FFg black powder. Would I still use 120 grain (84 grain in weight) of Blackhorn 209?

@lukesenter Год назад

I’m not qualified to answer that but I don’t believe so. Depends on your barrel and what kind of powder it can take. I have an old traditions muzzle loader and you aren’t supposed to shoot any BH209 in it. My CVA optima allows me too. As far as 1:1 I’m not sure. There is a blackhorn 209 data sheet that you can use for measuring properly. It’s on Blackhorns website. Check your guns manual on what you can shoot out of there or call them. Better to check first so your gun doesn’t blow up from making it too hot!

@lukesenter Год назад

Here’s the form link: blackhorn209.com/load-data/

@bobjoatmon1993 9 месяцев назад

Supposedly all the BP substitutes are suppose to measure out the same as black powder , BY VOLUME. By weight, every one is different from the others so you have to calculate for each individual powder seperatly. Each substitute should have a unique multiplier to calculate back and forth between weight and volume.

@richardfitzsimmons5244 Год назад

I do the same with triple 7. It does improve accuracy.

@lukesenter Год назад

I saw a big difference!

@richardfitzsimmons5244 Год назад

The average per volume /weight for the triple 7, 2 FF, is 90 vol./ 72 g r. wei.

@cody5280 Год назад

i dont't think you should just assume that your powder measures are off. It could be batch to batch variation in powder density. Crosscheck with other powder measures. I use Triple 7 which is desired volume x .777 for weight measurement. Then reduce this by 15% for BP energy equivalence. Overall volume desired x .666 for weight measurement. I know BH209 has a large following but im baffled by the belief that it's worth the present price of $97.98 a pound at Sportsmans Warehouse. Triple 7 seems ok to me at 1/3 the cost.

@lukesenter Год назад

I’ve shot white hots, 777 and the old pyrodex stuff in my other rifle. Then saw all the reviews on blackhorn so I went with it. I think the issue here is all those tubes are off big time. It was really just to show beginners the difference without getting into too much detail. I agree with everything you say! Thanks for commenting!

@9rivers Год назад

tube marks are not actuate, they will vary, you know genuine Plastic

@lukesenter Год назад

Yep!! Exactly.

@jaredpeterson380 10 месяцев назад

Blackhorn is the best. The BH volumetric tubes are not accurate. Here's some side info. A couple years ago, i was shooting BH loads over fresh snow and discovered a lot of unburned powder granules on the snow. Didn't affect anything that i could tell.

@lukesenter 10 месяцев назад

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

@hoghunter8229 10 месяцев назад

I actually spoke to the BH209 rep as to why their maximum is 120 grains (by volume) when other black powder substitutes (pellets) have 150 grains as maximum, and they said that 120 grains (by volume) was the maximum that would completely burn. Depending on barrel length, even less would be completely burned. Which is what @jared discovered.

@jaredpeterson380 10 месяцев назад

@@hoghunter8229 That's interesting. Thanks for checking on that. Great stuff.

@gregopelt9603 6 месяцев назад

120 bh is 60-75 fps faster than 150 777

@jaredpeterson380 6 месяцев назад

@@gregopelt9603 And much, much cleaner.

@stevebillow395 Год назад

So wheres the video of how the shots came out

@lukesenter Год назад

Well… I lied. I got out to my range in a hurry and forgot to film. Life, family got in the way. There is a hunting video I made on my channel and I made a bad shot but still got the deer. Not sure if it was my buck fever, my gun being tossed around for 3 days in the ATV or just not dirtying my barrel enough before firing. I’ve found it’s best to fire two primers and one bullet before firing my real shot and I didn’t fire a bullet before that shot. But I had 1-1.5” groupings at 100 yards at the range.

@hoghunter8229 10 месяцев назад

I completely concur about needing 2 primers AND an actual bullet to properly "foul" the barrel and get repeatable accuracy. I have experienced this with 209 in both my CVA Wolf and CVA Optima muzzleloaders. Shooting the recommended 2 primers was not sufficient to get "first shot" accuracy in the field.

@mjdutsar Год назад

interesting. it could be worth "calibrating" each tube with a sharpie

@Gokywildcats11 Год назад

So are u doing by 70 or by 90 volume

@lukesenter Год назад

I don’t mean this rudely at all but did you watch the whole video? I measured 70 grains by weight, which according to Blackhorns data is equivalent to 100 grains by volume, but with these tubes they were showing around 90 in volume, so I’m definitely sticking to measuring by weight.

@Gokywildcats11 Год назад

@@lukesenter yes I seen it and there different combinations 100 70 90 and i would go by the accurate measure of 70. That's the important calculation

@Gokywildcats11 Год назад

@@lukesenter thanks have a good day

@lukesenter Год назад

@@Gokywildcats11 sounds good! Yes that’s what I did. Eventually, I went all the way up to 84 by weight and that’s what I shoot and that measures right at 110 by volume. Got a mule deer in colorado a couple months ago with it and worked great!

@Gokywildcats11 Год назад

@@lukesenter having trouble finding a load for my cva accura v2