How to Mix Sub Groups With Joe Carrell - Part 1: Saturation & Compression | Plugin Alliance

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There are countless ways to mix a song. Some people get great results by mixing bottom-up from individual tracks to final masters and others prefer top-down mixing. Learn more about Joe Carrell's hybrid approach to saturation and compression in subgroups and on the master buss using some of his favorite tools like the SPL IRON, Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor, Lindell 50 & 80 Series, Black Box HG-2MS, Big Al, and many more.
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@burninglcd 3 года назад

I'll say it again, this should be your official spokesperson/demo guy. Joe is great.

@kjwworldwide 10 месяцев назад

First time you said "More Gooder" I was right there with you. Awesome tips.

@GloveBunniesVideos 3 года назад

Now I need a shirt that says, "More Gooder." Great video!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

That's a great idea. Thanks for the awesome feedback!

@dimedrey 2 года назад

Joe, I don't know that this video could've been any more gooder. Thanks for all the tips! Helps more than I can express.

@j.stribling2565 3 года назад

Joe, I liked the way you approach this vid - “we’re just talking shop”. Thanks for sharing your tools and techniques - it makes this business “more gooder” in general.

@JornLavoll 2 года назад

And such a cool desk/setup

@InTheMixJoeCarrell Год назад

Thanks Jorn. I have since moved to a different room, but I still do have that old Argosy.

@allpdmusic 3 года назад

Every video Joe does is great. Love his style. He's a great teacher. No bull just a straight shooter!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We wholeheartedly agree!

@DMMirval 2 года назад

Same here !

@vancenichols9490 Год назад

I want some of that "mo' gooder" in my mixing that you're talking about! Yeah buddy!!! Thanks!!! 🙂

@InTheMixJoeCarrell Год назад

Thanks for watching Vance!

@user-ix5rz4lc2o 2 года назад

Thanks for iron presets ☺️

@gathobeevens2644 3 месяца назад

This man is soo Goodest, that you can feel the passion of sharing and teaching others in him !!Be blessed Sir !!!

@OverdriveMusic 3 месяца назад

Joe is the best!

@familydiscount-ne5nz 8 месяцев назад

This is scary because I just designed a template like this based on everything I’ve pieced together so far and I find this video of him saying he starts his busses with a transformer for the EXACT REASON I did it!😂🏁…just put a nice battery in my back💯great Video!

@PluginAllianceTV 8 месяцев назад

We're glad to hear you're enjoying it. Thanks for sharing!

@DMMirval 2 года назад

High five for Plugin Alliance and Joe Carrell. Awesome teacher with clear and useful explanations. Really comprehensive materials here. Great video !

@PluginAllianceTV 2 года назад

Thank you!

@Fateline70 3 года назад

This is exactly what plugin alliance must do, thank you Joe, you are great.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for the great feedback!

@AnimusInvidious 3 года назад

Huge fan of mixing with group bussess.

@philippgrunert8776 11 месяцев назад

I had multiple lightbulb moments throughout this video. Thank you

@PluginAllianceTV 11 месяцев назад

We're glad to hear it's helping. Thank YOU for the nice feedback!

@chrisburkhardt4902 9 месяцев назад

Scared to use the SPL Iron because of too many controls but totally fine with the Shadow Hill. Lol! This is a great video. Thank you!

@rafaelhernandez5550 Год назад

I have to say this video is so good and so well explained that I will need to comeback a few more times. Thank you for a great tutorial.

@PluginAllianceTV Год назад

That's really great to hear. Cheers for the great feedback!

@InTheMixJoeCarrell Год назад

Thanks for watching Rafael!

@streetmansam5073 3 года назад

Big thanks to PA and Joe for doing these videos. As someone who’s new to the mixing game these plugins and tutorials are a god send!! 🙏 ☺️

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're really happy to hear that and to be part of your journey. Thanks for your support!

@notsure1135 3 года назад

I hate to be a gushing sycophant at 43, but your mix and master bundle is amazing value.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for the amazing feedback. We really appreciate it!

@TonjuwelenDeAgentur 3 года назад

Great Video. Great information. Joe Carrells Mixes always sound impressive and good.

@theleviathan89 3 года назад

Your lessons have helped me take my mixes to a whole nother level. Loving you. Thanks!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

That's great to hear. Thanks for your feedback!

@RobertBMusic 3 года назад

Great video, looking forward to the second part!

@Joshyswing 3 года назад

Thanks so much, Joe! Love all your insight

@KapaDeFreitas 3 года назад

Another great video by Joe Carrel!

@KaitavSapreMusic 3 года назад

Excellent video. Thank you. Great song by the way.

@precisionsoundworksstudio 3 года назад

Very articulate explanation... awesome! 🔥🔥🔥🙌🏻

@richdewhittaker1746 3 года назад

The SPL Iron is wonderful...and definitely More Gooder! 🎛🎚☕️🎶✨

@trevival 2 года назад

"gooderer" is the correct term

@vertigopulse 3 года назад

You're really good at this brother! I have all those comps and they're all great! Looking forward to more demos!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

They're coming. Thank you!

@LightsandMotion 3 года назад

your plugins have really changed the way I mix. so much good stuff, and by now I have almost bought it all. keep inventing!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Will do! Thanks for the fantastic feedback!

@HasseC 3 года назад

Great vid, great teaching. I LOVE "my" MEGA bundle, using it EVERY day at work.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

That is really amazing feedback. Thank you so much, and enjoy your sessions!

@RabbitintheMoon 3 года назад

Joe Carrell is amazing talking shop.... thank you for more!

@KevinStCroix 3 года назад

Are you the same RITM from the EDM days of the late 90's and beyond? No one sees the rabbit in the moon when I ask them.

@RabbitintheMoon 3 года назад

@@KevinStCroix yes

@sgfdancecompany 3 года назад

great video Joe!!!

@peevee605 3 года назад

I cannot tell you enough how much I appreciate this video...! Thank U 🙏.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're really happy to hear that. Thank YOU for the nice feedback!

@peevee605 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV went straight to the latest mix and applied these techniques. It works.

@BobbyBriscoeBeats 3 года назад

I've really been enjoying mixing/mastering lately. I suggest the mixing/master bundle to friends all the time. Love PA!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're really happy to hear that. Thank you so much!

@nunyabizfam106 2 года назад

Don’t you rock with Brodnax?

@BobbyBriscoeBeats 2 года назад

@@nunyabizfam106 Yes sir, you got it!

@nunyabizfam106 2 года назад

@@BobbyBriscoeBeats good work my guy, I just found him a few weeks ago.

@BobbyBriscoeBeats 2 года назад

@@nunyabizfam106 thanks brother, I appreciate it! He's super dope

@samxday 3 года назад

I like this guy. Looking forward to pt2

@axelknoxofficial 3 года назад

This is great thanks for these great info and great plugs! Joe is a LEGEND!!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We really appreciate your feedback, thank YOU!

@fidore_PJ 3 года назад

OMG ❤️ those tips!

@ronniewibbley 3 года назад

Great stuff - thanks for making these!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We appreciate the great feedback. Thank you!

@Brutuscomedy Год назад

Totally agree. Just employed compression with ToneBooster's Barricade (v4) limiter in addition to the limiting and set the former at a 1.5:1 ratio I like "fur" and adding saturation and even tape simulation to certain elements but try to keep the low end rather clean and focused. What I want on cymbals is not what I want on kick or bass guitar. Personally, I prefer the VSM-3 plugin on the stereo bus. I'd love to have an analog Black Box though!

@Hugoknots 3 года назад

This was a good watch. Thanks!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We appreciate the nice feedback, thank YOU!

@thejacksontwinz 3 года назад

Thank You So Much, we will try this unique buss style setup, we learn so much from you, your Chanel is the best, thank you so much, The Jackson Twinz.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're glad to hear that. Thank you!

@rodrigosallesguitar 3 года назад

Joe always makes great videos!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Absolutely!

@rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692 2 года назад

Excellent insight. Wow!

@RobWhiteDavis 3 года назад

Nice! Love it!

@hanisiblini 3 года назад

Great demonstration

@crateinvaderz 2 года назад

"I've made it more good..." that's what we learn here

@TobiasLindell1 2 года назад

I'm digging the prime placement of the 480 =)

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 2 года назад

Haha. What’s up Mr Lindell!

@bubbasweetiekilla6494 Год назад

Sounds way more gooder 😅 dude big thank you for this video. Can't wait for the next one

@sixstring3639 3 года назад

Very good presentation! Thanks.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for the nice feedback!

@youaintgottheanswerssway1594 3 года назад

Been thinking about trying y’all it’s great to see and listen to the plugins in action 😁

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

You can try all of our plugins for 14 days to see and hear how they work. Just download an installer from our product pages and let us know how it goes! www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products.html

@youaintgottheanswerssway1594 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV it’s lit, I’m excited 😁

@michaelwiley1429 3 года назад

Excellent video. Never even seen SPL IRON and I've been a PA subscriber for a while. Gotta check it out.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks, and let us know how it goes!

@raimundolanas4273 3 года назад

What a nice guy, thank you for such great info!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

He is. Thanks for the nice feedback!

@kitmateyawa7829 3 года назад

I've used Big Al on my drum bus ever since it came out.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're glad to hear BIG AL claimed the spot. Thanks for sharing this!

@orphicstudiotraphiphopbeat9711 3 года назад

Excellent

@cartofgiant 3 года назад

Sounds good

@smpmusicstudio77 3 года назад

Nice video

@ProducerGio 3 года назад

I love organization

@ambrocado 3 года назад

You do things easier for us. Thank you

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We're glad it's working for you!

@JAMPROSOUND 3 года назад

I can't watch this without wanting to fix the dust cap on the left Yamaha!

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Man I’ve tried!!!!!

@TheGurner1 3 года назад

Nice! Tnx Joe

@Achase4u 3 года назад

Joe Carrell is the bomb! I think Alan Parsons sent all the tracks on DSOTM through bus comp *except* the drums. If I recall... maybe that's the trick...

@danielsmith5626 3 года назад

iron was giving a fuzz sound on the vocal track that was fun

@JobThako 3 года назад

Joe Carrell, this is awesome stuff. but why keep us waiting so long for the rest of the video? i'm dying here. i need the rest of the video Joe. By the way, you rock

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

It's coming - just a little more patience, please!

@BelAnuRa 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV i am very excited,too. So how long we have to wait for part 2 ???

@meis18mofo77 2 года назад

This is like an analogue version of the Clip To Zero method used to mix most modern dubstep to absurd LUF values like -3

@peterpeper4837 3 года назад

Once more great advice from Mr.Carrell. Yes PluginAllinace this is your guy. Please do more. A small tip for Joe about ergonomics. Your monitor is a bit too high and too far from you. Get rid of its stand and replace it with an arm that you can mount on the desk. Bring it as low and forward as the shelf allows while tilting it a bit so your sight is vertical to the screen surface. I'm sure you will feel the improvement right away.

@xxllx86 3 года назад

Hey PA, where is that Blog on the SPL Iron Joe was talking about. I own the mega bundle and I really need to dig into it deeper. Great Stuff! Keep it going, you guys rock!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for the great support! This is the blog post he is referring to: www.plugin-alliance.com/en/blog/blogpost/items/spl-iron-with-joe-carrell.html

@Stjerneklang528 3 года назад

If you want to go old school you can glue all the drum mics together before recording. The downside is, well, it is a very messy process, stuff gets broken and so on.

@dontcallmejon 5 месяцев назад

Joe is like that one teacher you actually enjoyed his class in HS

@InTheMixJoeCarrell День назад

Thank you Don!

@57Techboy 3 года назад

Sounds weightier in the low end and has more upper harmonics push with the plugins.

@PlottingTheDownfall 3 года назад

When is part two on the EQ and stereo widening going to be released? Good stuff. I just picked up the Mega Bundle after using pretty much 80% Waves for the past 20+ years and already my mixes are sounding more 3d like. Learning the nuances of the PA stuff, where they perform best etc.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for the amazing feedback. We're really glad to hear that. Part two is coming, please have a little more patience with us and enjoy your experiments!

@andrewreynolds2262 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV How much patience exactly. :-)

@1urbanbassman 3 года назад

Very informative. Looking forward to the next one. Any possibility you could do a tutorial on how to keep "true peaks" to an acceptable level? Does it matter if they go above 0dB?

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for your feedback! We are currently gathering ideas for more videos. True peaks do matter, if you want to put out your music commercially. Please check out the product page of the Brainworx bx_limiter True Peak and use it as a starting point to find some more videos on this topic. www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/bx_limiter_true_peak.html

@1urbanbassman 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV Just looked at Justin's video. That's probably what I need (when it's on offer - lol). I have a specific question about how to use this plugin. What's the best way to ask Justin (or somebody else)?

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

@@1urbanbassman For technical questions, please contact our tech support: www.plugin-alliance.com/en/tech-support.html

@nicksaya 8 месяцев назад

cool. I have the bRauer template. It is sooooo deep

@hakangurdol 3 года назад

All ways it’s much better to use subgroups processing, my choices is same to, it keeps acoustic recording on it’s original, in old times like using Adat recorders i use to process for the dynamic range while in recording session, because we newer had a lot of choices to use after recordings. 😂😂😂, now i have the mix master bundle for monthly subscribers.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

Thanks for your support and sharing your experience!

@aviatedviewssound4798 2 года назад

beware guys only use the opto section when your working with bass or synth as it cuts a lot of the high starting at 12 khz so only use the vca section on your master that sounds incredible.

@kagaro99 3 года назад

Yup yes yup

@chuck77ify 22 дня назад

Hi Joe, as you are widening on the master mix, would the track get widened again during mastering?

@zenmixproductions 3 года назад

Hey Joe, where is the blog where you talk about the Iron plugin? I looked on the web sight and couldn't find it. Cheers!

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

This is the blog post he is referring to: www.plugin-alliance.com/en/blog/blogpost/items/spl-iron-with-joe-carrell.html

@cartofgiant 3 года назад

Save you soo much time

@filtafacta 3 года назад

👍🏻 100

@tonyhudspeth3861 Год назад

cool... however "plenty of room " down the line ...if you have a pc from NASA lol cool video as always .. thank you

@neorubi 3 года назад

נחמד

@spn7594 2 года назад

I think this technique could apply to "proper" recorded sound, like little bit consistent tone and gain. What about, if we only have 2 channels entry level audio interface, we have to do something before touch the groups/buss, right?

@PluginAllianceTV 2 года назад

You can try each of our plugins for 14 days, so you can hear how they will work on your setup and if they are enough for your needs. Channel strips still make sense if you record your stereo input on different tracks and then add a bx_console plugin on each. TMT can be extremely helpful to create a "proper" recorded sound in such a case, as it will give you the variations between the channels of a real console instead of just hearing the same stereo interface on every channel.

@spn7594 2 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV I have bx_console 4000 G, SHMC class A and separately lindell channel X already, they are amazing 😁

@PluginAllianceTV 2 года назад

@@spn7594 We're really glad to hear that. Thanks for sharing!

@InTheMixJoeCarrell Год назад

Your interface won’t hamper you in this situation. It’s all in the box processing during the mix. Best wishes and thanks for watching!!

@KevinStCroix 3 года назад

I do not know how the algorithm of a transformer can sound amazing. Does it know what content you are putting into it to then affect the sound of it? I do not think so, but correct me if I am wrong.

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Does an analog transformer know the content that has been put into it and then know how to affect the sound? I think I’m probably very much misunderstanding the question. All I can tell you from my perspective is that I do love tubes and I do love transformers and use them heavily in the hardware world. And just as I like the real thing I find that I like the software in relations that accurately do the same thing. I like them because I can hear the difference. If you can’t hear the difference or do not like them definitely do not use them. Make your own years happy and have a good weekend.

@PluginAllianceTV 7 месяцев назад

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@parkerstroh6586 3 года назад

To my ears the low end sounded much more free beforehand, if you duplicated/channeled that low end around the compression you’d have the ultimate mix

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Watch part 2 👊🏼👊🏼💥💥✌🏼✌🏼

@parkerstroh6586 3 года назад

Joe Carrell 🕺🕺🕺🏽🕺🏽

@stevewoodyt 2 месяца назад

Why did you flip the video so it’s like you mouse with your left hand?

@cartofgiant 3 года назад

Dude you need to try atc monitor s

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

I love ATC monitors. Just a $9,000 short at the moment. 😂. Have a good weekend

@todddammit4628 3 года назад

Are these preamps new? I own the SSLs and don't have those as options.

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Hey Todd thanks for watching. If you have mega bundle there are a handful of options in your library. The Lindale 80 series and 50 series both have a preamp plug included. Also the Neold. Use them!! The accumulation of those various tubes, transformers, op amps, do make my mixes better than they would be without them.

@lesterhein1 3 года назад

Anyone know the name of the fader bank he is using to control the DAW?

@andrewauten7415 3 года назад

Its either an avid artist mix or an S1

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

The avid artist. I just need something for volume rides. Pretty much the only thing I do with it.

@devarni 3 года назад

Interesting approach! A bit more compression/color on the groups and less on the master (e.g. with a FET... the Elysia Alpha would surely be a possibility as it is also very transparent?) The Blackbox I do not like so much, but instead of that the Vertigo VSM-3 would also be an option?

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Yes indeed. The Elysia is a great tool. Definitely one of them that you should consider for this type of approach. The vertigo as well. Any flavor of saturation that you enjoy is the right answer.

@precisionsoundworksstudio 3 года назад

Nothing to do with with mixing plugs which are awesome and I love my PA plugs.... I am wondering what lav mic was used? Joe’s voice sounds great.

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

Haha. Thanks! I honestly have no idea what the camera guy had. Thanks for watching!

@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 года назад

Where is the link to part 2?

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

It's not out yet. Please subscribe to our newsletter to get notified: www.plugin-alliance.com/en/blog.html#newsletter-subscribe

@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 года назад

@@PluginAllianceTV ahhh.... Thanks. Also, more insights from Joe Carrell please. :-D

@massivebeatzz 3 года назад

gotta let the comparison run longer and loop it - otherwise it' snot comparing same part of song , bypassed and active.

@coreystopperan9555 2 года назад

No top down, no bottom up, middle out mixing??

@kensmechanicalaffair 3 года назад

Black Box squashed the sound a bit.

@Proudtobe404notfound 3 года назад

these stems are already mixed

@InTheMixJoeCarrell 3 года назад

I actually do the vast majority of all individual channel processing after the techniques you see have been applied.

@ProducerGio 3 года назад

I love the mix but I dislike the lack of explanation. He says the plugin has a "different" sound or treats the audio "in a special way" but fails to be descriptive.

@PluginAllianceTV 3 года назад

We like a hands-on approach. You can try each of our plugins for 14 days to see how they sound and work for you.