How to Play Behind The Beat (no-bs examples for bassists & drummers)

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In today’s new video Ian Allison and drummer Steve Goold walk you through some ideas and exercises that will help level up your sense of playing ‘in the pocket’. To a beginner, this concept might have you scratching your head, but how many experienced bass players really know what it means?
In this lesson you’re going to learn:
- What it means to play in the pocket.
- How it works.
- How to play ahead of the beat.
- How to play behind.
- Why every audience loves a back beat.
- And much more!
As always, see you in the shed…
Scott :)
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@BearKillsJF 3 года назад

I'm really digging Scott's new American accent

@ronlawrence5635 3 года назад

I agree. He is much easier to understand.

@flash001USA 3 года назад

That is so funny because I pulled this up on my phone and at first glance I thought it was Scott and I expected to hear Scott then I heard an American accent in which point I had to take a second take.

@ianleonard3264 3 года назад

@@flash001USA same i saw this comment the video started and my brain ate itself

@flash001USA 3 года назад

@@ianleonard3264 Had I seen it on a computer screen I would have picked up on before he spoke.

@ianleonard3264 3 года назад

@@flash001USA ye im on my phone too i guess all i ever look for is bald and glasses apparently i dont look any closer as long as im given what im expected lmfao

@3020AlexA 3 года назад

Great to hear bass player & drummer discussing this type of thing. Really informative

@markblackstad8705 3 года назад

Yeah, this was very interesting. Most of this goes unsaid between drummer and bassist but breaking it down makes you think about it and see how you can improve or just even be more aware of what is going down.

@opiegonebad58 3 года назад

Totally agree. I've been playing this way subconsciously because to me it 'feels' right. I never actually realized that I was playing behind the beat, I just thought it felt and sounded better to me. Now I will be much more conscious of what I am doing.

@pd4165 3 года назад

I once tried to discuss playing around with the beat with the band's (not mine! I wanted him fired) drummer. I was explaining it in English, but the drummer was listening in Neanderthal. Without communication the marriage ended up in divorce...I left.

@johnd5398 8 месяцев назад

@@pd4165 welcome to drummers. Even the Muppets understood this concept.

@samba1412 3 года назад

Ian is a great addition to the team, one of the best teachers you’ve had

@yuichituba 3 года назад

I completely agree! He's great!

@PatrickChannonInPost 3 года назад

YES

@BlooblooPea 3 года назад

His explanations are simple and make sense to everyone :)

@scarab944 3 года назад

Agreed. Thorough explanations & contagious enthusiasm make for a great teacher.

@dinglebass 3 года назад

100%

@CarlKennedyMusic 3 года назад

One of the most valuable lessons in music and something understood by very, very few players or producers. This is another example that explains why quantizing sucks the life out of so many recordings. VERY WELL DONE GUYS!

@dylanadams1455 8 месяцев назад

Yes! Also how bands would organically speed up or slow down in certain parts of a song unconsciously, to match the energy of the section.

@smoothestbassist7086 8 месяцев назад

It didn't take me long to learn to hate the quantize function in my DAW for this very reason. Nothing else can wreck a really cool groove with one little click of a mouse button quite like it.

@trevorprice2490 8 месяцев назад

I mean, start off with quantizing, but couldn't digital tools give you the ability to move the drums or bass behind the beat exactly the way that sounds the best?

@future62 8 месяцев назад

@@trevorprice2490this is exactly what I do. Midi latency makes it hard to nail the timing so I quantize and fix my feel afterwards. Tools aren't good or bad it's just how you use them

@perpetualgrimace 3 года назад

I've heard so many people talk about feel, or playing behind the beat. This is the absolute best explanation I've come across. You made it make sense.

@tomasvanecek8626 Год назад

You have no idea.. read my comment above - not cos of me, but of John Paul Jones my man 😉 This is load of ... and you gotta be able to play it, thats it

@perpetualgrimace Год назад

@@tomasvanecek8626 yeah man I'll just scroll through the other 450+ comments until I find whatever it is you're talking about

@tomasvanecek8626 Год назад

@@perpetualgrimace Well it it is right at the top of the comments now.. like 2 hrs ago

@Gruuvin1 8 месяцев назад

@@tomasvanecek8626it's at the top of the comments ONLY FOR YOU, because that's how RU-vid works. The rest of us have no idea what you are rambling on about.

@tomasvanecek8626 8 месяцев назад

@@Gruuvin1 Yeah, the YT shadow banning for dissenting voices.. how gh3y 😘.. lets see, I repost the important part again: Messing playing behind the beat with just slowing down, my gosh.... the drummer has to play also behind, kick and snare ... you both can BE behind... but keeping the time, at the same time, with hihat or ride... understand ? Bit difficult for the drummer... but both of you are so so wrong here.. JP Jones and Bonham often stretched it .. they even competed how far behind they can get, see it here, 11:52 from JPJ himself : "we had a contest.. how far can you go.." 12:34 - "show us an example..." ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qaa1axJ63Qg.html Boys.. get your act together :)

@zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx 3 года назад

What you are describing at around 7:20, re being a tad behind to let the drum transients through first is something that is often simulated in production vis a vis sidechaining a compressor on the bass track that is triggered by the kick. The effect is to lower the volume of the bass at the instant of the kick transient and then let the bass volume bloom back up as the compressor releases. I really enjoyed this video and have shared it with a few friends who have asked me to explain 'the pocket' and playing behind or on top. Thanks!

@BaronVonQuiply 2 года назад

That would probably remove some mud from my mixes. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.

@Gruuvin1 8 месяцев назад

This is interesting that you can do this in the effects chain, either during or post. It also makes me appreciate what musicians were capable of before recording technology developed.

@Phlizz 3 года назад

Ian is just great, it’s obvious that he’s an absolut genius on bass, still he breaks down the content in simple empathic explanations. always aware of the viewer/student.

@TheBoboMaker 8 месяцев назад

As a rhythmically challenged guitarist I'm just happy to be somewhere close to the beat.😂 Thanks for the demonstration guys. Gave me something to shoot for.

@rinathama 2 месяца назад

Hey me and you are the same 😂😂😂my timing sucks.

@ricomajestic Месяц назад

So what does the guitarist do when the bassist drummer start playing around the beat/

@Kubooxooki 3 года назад

Is there any way these two can just broadcast their conversations 24/7 and the rest of us can just sit back, learn, and send them some pizza and drinks to keep them alive?

@stephengoold 3 года назад

I'm super into this idea :)

@stefanoribas 3 года назад

Hahahaha I'm in

@jdmarino 3 года назад

Love Ian's energy and ability to articulate technique. Adding Steve makes it better because of the drummer's perspective, but also because the 2 have a conversation. And we get to watch.

@kingkongkungkwang 3 года назад

Everything about this video is confusing. The bassist looks like Scott, but the drummer sounds like Scott with American accent.

@devinebass 3 года назад

😂

@adamkrayevsky4563 3 года назад

Scott obviously has more personalities than one. I wonder how does it look like Scott the guitarist, Scott the vocalist, or Scott the dancer....

@MikeNevill3 3 года назад

It's the eyes .. I can tell it wasent them

@PeerHond69 3 года назад

@@adamkrayevsky4563 scott the dancer 😂 oh boy im gonna have some weird dreams tonight! 😂

@ricethelizard7713 3 года назад

Kind of reminds me of the Nolly playthrough, Scott playing some heavy chugs haha

@faithbassed49 3 года назад

That bass is beautiful.

@normg2242 3 года назад

I've seen one in a store like this and the thin line around the pick guard was red, not black as it usually is. Looked so cool!

@madaxe79 3 года назад

Sounds fantastic too

@RCAvhstape 3 года назад

Fender calls that finish "antigua"

@dave-d 3 года назад

Excellent discussion. Like Flea said, "put the bass note in the middle of the drum beat". Easy to say. Years of work to hear and implement. Real value info right here. Thanks guys.

@1965JB 3 года назад

Love this actual discussion between a drummer and bass player. A lot of drummers I played with who had the “there’s only one way to groove, I know it and you don’t” attitude, which basically kills music, in my opinion. I played with a lot more drummers who didn’t need to say anything; 4 bars in and we both knew what’s up. Play with the musicians on stage, not some weird ideal.

@ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis 3 года назад

This is great. No one ever discusses this topic. It effects the feel and sound of the band So much. Especially if someone is on top of the beat and pushing things ahead. I play with a ton of drummers who always speed up by the end of the song and you can’t pull them back. Also big band horns are always doing big hits on the back side of the beat. It just feels right.

@walkerjohnclark3573 3 года назад

This is the best discussion I've ever heard on the nuances of feel or groove in contemporary music.

@BartKebab 8 месяцев назад

One of my favorite funk bands, Vulfpeck, actually has its own compressor program that it runs over Joe Dart's bass which (in addition to elevating his already amazing tone to a whole other level) also has the same effect you talk about in this video of making his notes "grow" out of the drum notes. You can hear this very well in Dean Town (obviously most of the work and tone is in Joe's fingers but I just thought it was an interesting thing to share)

@therealkpat 8 месяцев назад

As far as I know, in terms sound design with compressors, the amount you can shape the transients by playing with the attack parameter is in the milliseconds. I’m pretty sure what you refer to as Joe’s notes growing out of the drums is 99% to his credit as a great player. I might be wrong of course and the compressor IS the secret sauce

@evieatarax 8 месяцев назад

@@therealkpatVulf Compressor is one of the integral parts to Joe's iconic sound. Just like Cory uses a compressor - it's not to compensate for any lack of playing ability, it just makes the transients hit harder and more consistent. The "growing out" is also because of the compressor's relatively long, squishy release time.

@martybyrnemusic 8 месяцев назад

@@evieatarax I mean, obviously, in the studio things can and will be tweaked and tightened here and there. With compression (side chaining helping that "growing" effect) or just digital editing of individual notes to make them sit EXACTLY where everyone wants them. I am not saying Vulfpack can't play real tight in a live situation, but a commercial recording is going to tweak all of those notes (and if people say otherwise, they're lying)

@normg2242 3 года назад

Ian is a great guy to step in for ya, Scott. He has the same very amiable personality and passion not only for the bass, but also for sharing what he know as you do. I really like him and look forward to more videos. You,ve got a winner here. I must say that the same goes for the drummer. You seem to pick your folks very carefully and with good success. Keep it up, buddy!. Love it!

@fromthistexasbreath 3 года назад

I'd like to see a video with Ian, Scott, and Nolly, for the ultimate confusing video of 3 great bass players who look alike...

@markblackstad8705 3 года назад

Yeah, I'm digging the American Scott clone!

@joshuabrice3800 3 года назад

I really enjoy these two working together. Having a knowledgeable drummer talk about they're part is so helpful.

@thumbthump 3 года назад

One of the top 2 or 3 teaching vids you've put out, Scott! Thanks to these guys.

@robnagelhoutmusic 8 месяцев назад

after I got the basics of playing the bass down, these concepts were exactly what I spent years working on so that they would be deliberate and second nature. Such an important aspect of your role as a bass player and rhythm section. Awesome video and well explained!

@RKs_MusicLife 3 года назад

This is pure gold for every musician. PERIOD!

@tristanshears3048 3 года назад

This was fantastic! They don’t talk about this in music school. I think it’s just expected that people know it.

@TeeCeeBee 3 года назад

This is great! Ive been waiting for someone to talk about this phenomenon. There are so many lessons about notes, modes and patterns, but not much about feel. Thanks for a great lesson.

@RTOutdoors 3 года назад

Absolutely love Ian and Steve. I learn something every time.

@sambrownonbass 3 года назад

This video is a masterpiece demonstration around this conversation, the best resource I've found for demonstrating the conversation and the physical approach to students - thank you both for this wonderful educational resource - Wish I'd had it 10 years ago!

@ryancasey1287 3 года назад

I'm really enjoying these SBL videos of Ian teaching some cool tips and making cool videos on albums and basses. He's such a great guy and I hope to keep seeing more of these kinds of videos. Keep 'em coming👍

@implayingsomebass4753 3 года назад

Two powerhouses in one video, unreal! Golden stuff you guys are putting out here. CLASS IS IN SESSION!

@biggerthanbliss5841 8 месяцев назад

I really appreciate the insight from this video. I've tried explaining to some of my own bass students what it means to play behind the beat and this gives me a much clearer way of describing that. Thanks!

@captbuscemi 3 года назад

Just brilliant! These two are among the best tutors on the SBL roster, I hope they do a heap more of these videos. Yes, and the Scott D/Ian A Inception thing is a freak-out, but I love it!

@matthewd6306 3 года назад

Rick Beato has been talking about this for years on his RU-vid channel. It allows both the punch of the Bass Drum and the tone of the bass the breath alittle.

@gimmeagig 3 года назад

Great lesson. These guys are wonderful teachers

@jakekeys88music 2 года назад

Such a great lesson! Yes, the key is to really get dead on first and then grow from there. I love the way these two keep the conversation going, as it's not so much a lecture as it is a sharing of ideas from their perspectives and as if they were involving us as viewers in their discussion. No talking down to or dumbing it down for anyone either...it's purely accessible.

@jollkki4317 3 года назад

Beautifully explained! Very clear demonstration.

@johannecousineau4343 3 года назад

As usual Ian, I really enjoy what you have to say and how you teach! Nice to hear Steve as well!

@georgecovetskie6717 Год назад

SO True ! I been playing bass since 1975 and out of all the things anyone ever showed me that improved my bass playing was exactly that ! Once I noticed this in the tunes I was learning, I was hooked! I found the behind the sceen sercret. I also noiticed how much it impacts the sound and feel of the tune. Bands and other musicians started noticing the difference in my playing and started calling me more for gigs. Even today, If I go listen to a band and the players, I notice how many bass players just Hit the bass from begining to end and never notice what they can do to improve that little thing. Thanks for sharing that. It was well worth it.

@devinebass Год назад

Thanks for checking out the video! Glad you enjoyed it 🤘🏻

@user-yy6lu4bc7b 3 года назад

this has got to be the best course I've seen from this channel. What these guys are teaching me makes me want to join just to watch this course

@chrisjs6123 3 года назад

I ended up buying a lifetime subscription. It’s honestly worth trying monthly at least.

@londonemski 3 года назад

Do it! If you can afford it, go for it. So much great stuff in SBL. These two are particularly magnificent. So articulate and so practical.

@ianmackenzie686 3 года назад

Ian rocks! Great addition.

@sylvaingagnon3211 3 года назад

Thank you! So much wisdom from experience there.

@LarsAquinonez 3 года назад

Super insightful and explained intuitively. Great lesson, SBL

@luserdroog 3 года назад

This is brilliant! Not only great insight and analysis, but practical exercises for bass and drums to try together. Definitely going to try some of this stuff next time I'm with a drummer to quickly develop some shared vocabulary.

@benmalone6139 8 месяцев назад

This is terrific. Someone told me years ago that you find your feel during the songs Thanks for the lesson guys

@mingusfan 3 года назад

I could absolutely listen to Ian and Steve talk and jam all day!

@blueplateradio2 3 года назад

Great job, very informative, fun, enlightening and thought provoking. More please!

@seankent1807 3 года назад

Yeeeessss, this is great!! Once again: Ian Martin Allison for the WIN!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@tomd7504 3 года назад

Have to agree and add weight to the other comments: great format, great easy-to-understand and helpful tips, and also simply enjoyed the conversation. Well done and thanks!

@grizelda4526 3 года назад

Great lesson. Thank you!

@balintperjesi6996 3 года назад

Awesome insights into groove, thank you guys...!

@samcloake2421 3 года назад

Absolutely sick! Things I’ve always wondered about but never had guts to broach or, coming from my amateur background, heard anyone else talk about. At all, never mind at this level. Cheers guys!

@dogeatsock 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for putting in to words what I’ve always experienced in regards to feel and playing with drummers

@Danyael850 3 года назад

That's dope, would like more lessons like that!

@carmelofernandez9020 3 года назад

Fantastic. Thanks a lot for this...

@RenatoLeiteBass 3 года назад

I always thought that way, I am very happy to see it well explained. I played an entire season of the musical "We will rock you" with that mentality. The explanations about the transients and the muffling, very good.

@christianrenard9416 3 года назад

Wonderful explaination !

@Cliffswanson 3 года назад

I love this presentation! I've tried, unsuccessfully, to explain playing behind the beat to a few non-musician friends and generally gotten a blank stare in response. Now I'm going to send a couple of them a link to this video and see what happens :-). Thanks for this.

@basbakker 3 года назад

Very good conversation! Thx

@tzvetanpetzev1221 3 года назад

What a fascinating and interesting concept! Great conversation! Thank you! :)

@jamespeters3507 3 года назад

Im a member and I watched this course. I loved it. When I was done I texted a drummer friend of mine. The next week we sat down with a beer and watched it together. Really great stuff! Also we want more Ian!

@IanMartinAllison 3 года назад

Cheers James!

@jamesaladits4537 2 года назад

Fabulous Lesson! I learned something today! That's always a good thing! Thank You!

@-Thunder 3 года назад

This was a really great lesson. Thanks!

@BruceRichardsonMusic 3 года назад

The Scott body-double illusion is insane, hahahaha. And I can't believe you brought up Matt Chamberlain. I was thinking about him when you were having the discussion about the "tendency." Matt Chamberlain has had that magic feel since he was a kid at NTSU. Everything felt magic when he played. It wasn't anything that you could put your finger on. I called it the Matt Chamberlain Elasto-Groove. It was definitely a thing. I remember him pecking out a groove on that first Alesis drum machine, and he could make a one-sample drum machine groove the same way with that particular timing of his.

@darkgladiator27 3 года назад

I like how the few notes the guy played felt more meaningful than all I'll probably ever be able to achieve with my bass

@jwest707 3 года назад

Don’t say that bro Keep practicing His playing is really meaningful but there’s no reason yours can’t be. If you put in the time and get after it, there’s nothing that can stop you. :)

@DavidGaliel Год назад

Piano/keys player here. This was brilliant. Clear, insightful and practical. Bravo!

@dylanadams1455 8 месяцев назад

As a guitarist, I love this channel. It really helps me appreciate the teamwork required for a good band. I've always thought of the pocket as more of an unconscious feel, I was just playing what I thought sounded good. I remember being in a two guitar band, and I would always be a little behind the other guy. I just liked the groove!

@devinebass 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the love, fellow musician! Groove and teamwork are indeed essential in any band, and it's great that you appreciate the subtleties of the pocket. Keep jamming and grooving! 🙌🏻🧡🔥

@keithljarvis 8 месяцев назад

Great explanation. Really cleared this up for me.

@PeranMe 3 года назад

This was super interesting, thanks for sharing this!

@mrmufasio 3 года назад

Great lesson!

@DemonSlide 3 года назад

Awesome video Scott. Thanks!

@BigSwoleMusick 3 года назад

Thank you Scott! I have learn a lot from your videos!

@akoolstik 3 года назад

great chat and demo!

@fiscaldisco5234 3 года назад

Such a great explanation

@ry5499 8 месяцев назад

Such a great video. Thank you team

@kevon217 Год назад

Great discussion and examples

@pcartisan2721 2 года назад

GREAT Lesson! Brilliant! This is my next thing to practice - being accurate with the center, etc.

@chindodawg 8 месяцев назад

Great discussion. Thanks

@paolozak3014 3 года назад

That's one I have been waiting for for a veeeeery long time. One magic moment in a fill is to start behind and then accelerate to get on top, and finally finish slightly behind. Chad Smith does that in one fill to If you have to Ask (live version)

@paulpaul00 3 года назад

One of the best Lessons at SBL!

@juanbcn83 2 года назад

Minute 7:30 is pure gold. Is the perfect example for get timing of a lot of blues songs. For me there are a perfect example: Freddie King - Same old blues. If you pay attention the bass and the kick drum sounds like Ian are saying. Masterclass

@Auxend 8 месяцев назад

So good! Thanks guys. ❤ loved the transient relationship perspective.

@Crushin123 3 года назад

Ian has a great personality on camera, as if he is a buddy hanging out. Great playing here too guys. Excellent video.

@nathanwahl9224 2 года назад

Pretty cool. What shocked me as I listened is how much our drummer and I do vary it during different songs. He keeps the tempo going very well when I'm behind, so maybe we just get it, or maybe he doesn't trust me! Never really thought about it for a while, but another drummer friend kinda taught me about it a long time ago. Man, he and I were tight. But it definitely shows up. Yeah, it feels good, we both get a smile going. And our guitar player knows it, and smiles too! Now I know why a little better! I'm going to have to share this one with our drummer! Thanky kindly!

@andigisler Год назад

This was fantastic, thanks!

@derekmilligan2174 3 года назад

this is great. kudos.

@Paul_Hinton 3 года назад

Brilliant!

@pupoctus 8 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for this!

@erictremblay3381 2 года назад

Great discussion !!!

@fishcadet 8 месяцев назад

This is so incredibly valuable.

@jerkov420 Год назад

What a great discussion

@OriginalRaveParty 3 года назад

How awesome is this knowledge

@anyabey2222 Год назад

Great video and I love the vibe of this video so much! New subscriber!

@MrFullCake 3 года назад

I LOVE IAN PLS MORE !

@andylyons553 Год назад

Wow, that is one important lesson! Thank you guys! Keep going…

@ErikSeverinson 7 месяцев назад

This is such an awesome discussion. Hard topic to cover!

@4bar Год назад

Super interesting and helpful insights, thanks!

@devinebass Год назад

Thanks for checkin' it out dude!

@WTHFX 3 года назад

Very cool discussion. Nice vid

@derekrooney140 3 года назад

so ive been following you for a good year or so, i just wanna say thanks i get some awesome tips and it has really shaped my playing, when i put up a video i will tag you so you can see where im at, ive been playing for 15 years or so, this is the closest ive gotten to actual lessons im all 100% self tought