How to play CHAOS DWARFS in Battle! - Army Guide: Part 2 

__Feedback Comment__ So this is a new style of my usual ARMY GUIDE videos. It kind of bears resemblance to the first/roster part really in a more visual form of what to do with the units. Ideally I'd like to make something like this as a single video army guide perhaps, rather than being a two parter like now. And this is something I could do for all factions. My old army guides were more: Roster - Strengths and Weaknesses - Tactics - Examples (builds/battles). With campaign though, a lot of that goes out of the window because of the buffs units can get. So I'm not sure how useful the info was. Hence I'm trying to make something more representative of the campaign experience, while still getting across how the faction is "supposed" to work. So my questions to you, and don't feel the need to answer all: Do you prefer this, or my old style of army guide? Does it help more? If not, what kind of things would. If you're a new player, what do you struggle with, that a guide like this could help with? Do you want to know more about how to use units? Or more, larger army tactics? Would you like to know more meta campaign builds or fun builds? Thanks to any leaving feedback!

If you bring a bunch of fireglaives and dreadquake mortars you can pretend you're playing Imperial Guard in 40K Total War

One thing to add: if you add Gorduz Backstabber to the hobgoblin army and sink all his points into the goblin buff skills, they actually build up some NASTY stats (around 50 MA and MD). It let me run a strong full-stack second army for much cheaper early in the campaign without worrying about unit caps.

I’ve been really impressed with the hobgoblin archers. Even without inflicting a weakness to fire on the enemy, they easily punch above their weight. I like placing them behind blunderbusses or fireglaives so they can fire over them.

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For the Gobbo army you'll want Gorduz in there for Campaign because the branch above his personal skills also increases the stats of the army's hobgoblin units as well. With the attack and defense trees maxed out it's +9 to both stats plus some secondary effects, essentially ranking them up to 9 + the chevrons.

Blunderbusses make me so happy, watching them shoot into infantry and having them react like they just ate a cavalry counter-charge never gets boring. It's probably not that effective, but I love filling space in my armies with hobgobbos and using them to hold enemies in place while ranged units and artillery open fire. Gobbos are great for Skaven tactics since their crap morale won't affect your chaos dwarfs. Don't even gotta worry about restocking them between battles, as you can replace them with more valuable units once they get wiped out.

you protect your flanks with blunderbusses, your front line which is blunderbusses can hold anyone getting to your back line precious blunderbusses

I think its important to further elaborate the weakness of being slow. Without the magic resist that the normal dwarfs have, chaos dwarfs can be easily lined up for spells and get their health nuked. Overall, i like this faction; it has good damage output while still being counterable by many other factions.

No word about the gunline, good old Shogun 2 gameplay is back with those blunderbuzz. You can melt whole charges in a few moments

This is great. 'How it works in battle' for a range of army builds was excellent. Zerk you know both online pvp and tabletop which shows through, while keeping it fun and accessible to the IE-playing most of us : )

I'd just like to applaud you for your work on these videos in general. I find all of your content enjoyable as well as informative. Keep up the excellent work!

I literally went through the Realms if Chaos campaign until the final battle with most hobbie army. I did get two Dwarves in there for armor pen and leadership boosts. Hobgoblins are surprisingly good for their cost.

Great video as always! Despite their mixed roster I have been struggling more than I would usually to find a good build and some basic tactics around their gunpowder units so this will help me indefinitely. I have been umderutilising all of the units until recently other than Warriors and Blunderbusses and have made the mistake of almost exclusively using great weapon Chorfs, shields would definitely give me more staying power! Good shout!

Really clean and well presented video. You continue to improve your already high standard of presentation. The go to man for TWWH content as always!

Great video, do more of this kind! I like your knowledge of game, tactics and lore. Keep it up!

I really love this guide keep up the good work.

My chaos dwarf empire spans the mountains of Morn to the worlds edge mountains, to northern kislev and the edge of the chaos wastes. Fighting fantasy-china and the dwarfs right now. Such a fun campain, the unit caps are definitely hindering how fast I can expand. Along with how expencive the units upkeep are, over 2,000 gold/turn if you want an all dwarf army. Starting to see armies with a lot more goblins and orcs, but sprinkle in a couple cannons and/or monsters and you can fight all but the doom stacks the AI can make; though I’m sure better players could.

Once you get the hobgoblin hero and a few buffing upgrades, armies of the mounted archers are pretty good. Bonus points for being cheap, spammable and not relying on the unit cap like chorf units do. They do struggle against cathay's massed range though.

Iv been really really bloody enjoying them its taken me ages to build my small empire up but I hit critical mass an exploded out gaining huge amounts of territory an unit caps from multiple fronts. Turn 120 an I have 20 stacks running about all with good units im now pushing the dawi in their home hills trying for lomg campaign objectives.

Nice one ! More of it please !

For flank K'daii fireborn are also quite good in campaign with their barrier

Those goblin fire archers are INSANE in the early game! It’s the only early game unit with fire missiles, and if you have even a little magic you can stack modifiers to absolutely shred infantry. And it’s cheap too!

Good video man. Could you show off some online battles with them too? Wonder how well they perform against different factions

Really like these videos. Keep it up

Nice video mate ♥️

extremely helpful!

Man this format would be perfect for even the older factions! I wonder how they would do if they were made.

Chaos Dwarfs army strategy is just blow everything to bits with more gunpowder than the Empire, Dwarfs, Cathay, Kislev, Skaven, and Vampire Coasts combined. They out Faith, Steel, and Gunpowder the Empire. So all you need to do is bring modern tactics into medieval warfare and you'll win easily.

Great vid

Great vid. More like this

Useful :) Be good to have a bit on how to defeat them as well which used to be part of the guides? I think fun builds are more...fun - plenty of people do the cheese thing so there is a market but do we need another - probably not. Its good to see early, mid, late campaign builds as well.

I would like to note that you can also play Chaos Dwarfs like you would play the Skaven. Throw masses of labourers at the enemy, have no melee frontline dwarf units, just stack missiles. My late game Chaos Dwarf army is this: 1xNon-mage lord (for blue and red lines mainly) 1xCastellan (for movement range and ammo replenishing) 1xTaurus Hero (because he's metal af) 3xDaemonsmiths (Death/Metal+Fire+Hashut) 3xKadai Destroyers 7xFirelances 2xBull Centaur GWs 2xDreadquake mortars on trains Everything gets eviscerated, it's not even funny. Earlier game it also works with overlapping blunderbuss+hobgobbo archer fire.

Good vid thanks

I have a full hobgobo army with the legendary lord giving buffs to them. It's actually really strong for a tier 1 army.

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I end up having a main army of bull centaurs and a bunch of dreakquakes. the BC get buffed so much and the dreadquakes just nuke everything while the BC remain healthy. The DQ ends up moving forward when firing so it ends up in the middle of melee randomly if you have a frontline of infantry

I think the blunderbus unit is my new favorite. It is ridiculous how much damage it can output in 1 volley

Even though my lion's share of playtime belongs to singleplayer (mostly because I find it more relaxing) I really love to watch multiplayer battles from RU-vidrs. Warhammer Multiplayer is a completly different gamemode and reveals aspects of the game, that are often lost in campaign. Bearing this in mind, I would love to see the army compositions more multiplayer orientated with certain interesting matchups discussed and different approaches towards them demonstrated in replays (of course just parts of replays). Matchups could be for example categorized in the good, the bad and the ugly...

I do love that you refer to the Orcs by their proper title, instead of calling them """Labourers""" or some other phase. Cheers.

The blunderbussies feel like the direct fire version of the death globe bombardiers but i am also quite sure they would loose in a 1v1

Definitely like this video more

Could you do a video on how to use blackpowder weapons without shredding your own lines. Having trouble with it with the blunderbusses even with what I thought was good positioning

could you make a guide on how to use chaff?

Very op faction once you give them manufacturers buff

Still need this for Kislev, please!

9:42 you are designed to play them with a doomstack of dread quake mortars :)

Personally what i do is i make an OP gobbo stack with the backstabber , then make a second army full of simple warriorrs and blunderbusses that are augumented (warriors with frenzy, charge reflect and glittering scales, and blunderbuss with extra ammo, they shred everything) with at least one artilery piece of sieges. Those armies pretty much cover me from anything the game throws are me early to mid game. And i skip over infernal guards and move directly to a full oathsworn and fireglaive army, after i have those 3 armies up, i can pretty much take just about everything the game throws at me. Quite insane tbh, especially when you have gobbos that have almost 100 leadership and they are essentially fighting to the death.

Hobbos are underrated, they perform better then one thinks and too many people rush dwarf units and their upgrades and then wonder why their economy is threadbare and they can’t recruit the numbers to deal with all the nasties the chorfs are surrounded by. Take your time, your dwarfs are tier 2 units. Fill up three armies of laborers with half as many hob units and backed by a unit of artillery or blunders or renders or whatever and you’ll be better off. Once you’ve gotten some territory and resources going you can build up to the proper dwarf stacks to take a battering ram to the Old World.

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I’ve had a great time in campaign with these boys even if they maybe feel a little overpowered. Once you get 2 armies with 4-6 blunderboys and artillery with a chaff front line its just steamroll the map time

Regarding that the Goblin -slaves- Labourers have spears, they are the ones who should have AL but for what ever reason CA decided against it.

You can do everything said in the video or be monkey and play 19 dreadquake mortar with iron daemon/skull crusher

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3:37 I wouldn't recommend doing that. You'll shred your own costly infantry. In general I find combining the warrior line with gunpowder units at about a 50/50 split hard to do with the chaos dwarfs. I'd rather use one of the two unit types (much) more than the other in a given army, unless I want to micromanage a lot. Use more chaff, siege, flanking and big boi units when focussing on gunpowder. Use no chaff, but any working combination of other stuff when focussing on the warrior line. Still a good video, but I think you should have at least mentioned this pitfall, unless I'm in the wrong here and/or overheard you mentioning it.

I'm curious which factions best counter the Chorfs? (In campaign or multiplayer) My guess would be Skaven, Lizardmen, Bretonnia, and Slaanesh. Each of these can exploit the lack of anti-large pretty well and have chaff to distract the ranged units.

Chaos Dwarfs have a lot of melee units, more than I thought it would have, people hyped this race as the best gunpowder/artillery faction in the Warhammer universe. I guess this title still goes to Vampire coast then.

Chaos Dwarfs released, immediately get a part 1 and 2. Other WH3 factions: are we a joke to you?

i thought you'd look at lords skills and talk about how to make armies based on bonuses and best combinations. like orc folks+heavy artillery where you send the orcs in and blast them with extreme prejudice in the front line. etc

The expensive part isn't the money but the weapons upkeep late game.

I love a good turtle defense when I’m attacked. Almost nothing can break this army

Part 2?!

i need to disagree with a few points, for Anti Large the blunderbuss is 100% one of the best if not the best solution for any large unite. 2. even though main units are slow there are alot of Fast options. 3 . i agree with them being expensive , i actually think they are Wayyyy to expensive . great Video thanks :D .

How do you use the blunderbuss units without killing your own units?

Laughs in Bull Centaur Taur'ruk spam

slaves? no no no, they are workers, well paid and with health insurance

A "Gorduz" Hobgoblin Army should be very strong - even mid and endgame!

3 fireglaives deleted a fully kitted turn 150 Archaon

So how do you make trains, is there a way to couple a mortar with a skullcraker? Asking cause i see the "Daemon's tongue - Dreadquake Mortar" RoR unit and while it looks like the 2 put together it has 1 ammunition and 92 range which doesn't sound like a mortar to me.. I'm sure i'm missing something obvious

In my personal opinion, with the new introductory of the chaos, dwarves and all the new factions creative assembly need to go back to the original fashion original dwarves human empire, orcs and stuff and kind of give them an update like what are the biggest issues I have a dwarfs some of the human fashion is that the rosters are not perfectly suited for war, and especially now the human washers, like Empire of man versus the new chaos fashions they’re getting their asses handed to them pretty well especially when they lack a good infantry unit the empire doesn’t have truly any good decent infantry unit he infantry but they’re not good so I think that would creative assembly need to go through and upgrade all the empire, and redo all the old factions again to make them more balance For example, the dwarfs do you original dwarfs I love playing as though, but there are some poems about it first of all they have no true good anti-large soldiers the slayers are good, but they’re not gonna stop in monster units in Calvary they will run through them which kind of sucks especially if you’re using cannons and this is why I never use cannons a game is they’re not worth the money and what I mean by that is I don’t want to put my cannons on the front line especially when I have no good anti-large unit to protect them if they need to retreat because again, I have done it before monsters were charging a Rush of my anti-large warriors but the problem is though the cavalry the bigger unit was sometimes breakthrough. The formation is still tack my cannons that’s annoying even though they have charge defense and everything they can still just break the formation and touch my cannons, but you have like the cast dwarves the coastal vampire accounts, have a bloody chaos. You have these weaponry that can shoot over there line and hit the enemies further away. Why can’t the dwarves have any weapons like that the only weapon a truly they can shoot over the unit without hitting them is the catapult, which usually I end up using I don’t see the word investment in Canaan an organ gods because they need direct line of sight to actually be good, but it leaves a vulnerability and I don’t like them being vulnerable unless I have someway to protect them against the AI charging them and since doors, don’t have any good anti-large I don’t like to take the risk, but continuing on dwarves is that they should have a rune system in place for dwarfs where you can upgrade your door and armies armor equipment you know give all your soldiers flaming weapon rune and same for the armor and other things and maybe diversify the rosters and stuff because I have read a lot about the dwarf lore they have a lot more soldiers, weapons and stuff at the disposal than what we actually have in the game and on top of that upgrade their technology tree their technology tree needs to be upgraded. It’s kind of crap compared to other factions technology tree, and on top of that upgrade the rune they have like a good thing to put for them AOE runes because they don’t have enough of those. They barely have anything is because more factions have magical powers that can do more damage and bigger areas that can do a lot of damage and kill basically have a unit and I’ll give some of dwarfs some better stuff like that because there’s only handful runes I ever use is playing as a dwarf many things, just above armor and attack damage and defense. That’s really it was a truly the only useful ones sure the rest of them have uses, but compared to those few they’re under performing in my opinion I don’t know if anyone agrees with me just saying my opinion and what I think they really need to do just upgrade the older factions to make them more better with the newer factions and give them a better fighting chance

"But oh scheiße", did i hear that right?

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I really think creative has to give some love to the original factions. They just don't hold up to these new factions in unit design and choice. I always thought it would be cool if the orks for example would adapt weapons from the factions they are fighting. After all they are supposed to fight with trash. That would be actually a cool thing if you sent an ork horde into the dwarf area and at the end of your campaign they'd visibly and physically adpated to dwarves

The main weaknesses is no good anti large or armor pen. When they got it, it's not that good. Anti large charge defense is all the anti large they got. One weakness I had no idea till Playing them for a bit. Anti armor spells wreak Chorfs so hard. Due to having all Fire but no anti spell, if you got good non fire, anti armor spells it just deletes their units that cost a ton and can't afford to take the damage, same with anti armor arty. Anything AOE and anti armor just ruins their day so hard thanks to tight formations by default. When they do have Great weapon version of their main units, it's a down grade in basically every state, other then damage. You lose 10 defense, S shield and anti charge. To gain mostly armor pen and like 5 points of over all damage, maybe. Doesn't do much for when cav just runs them over or get shot up before getting to the line.

I just quit the realm of chaos campaign around 100 turns as Boris because the chaos dwarves are pain in the rear. They literally wiped all my allies- all other kislev factions and dwarves factions- and I didn't want to fight, lose most of my units, replenish, and repeat all over again for the umpteenth time. Their units shred through my tzar guards and my bear cavalry gets rekted by their centaur cavalry on the wings.

Great vid Zerk but uhhhh I... I gotta ask. I know it's a little strange for CA to clearly be trying to not use the word "slaves" and go for "laborers" instead but... why the insistence on still calling them slaves anyway?

I put my Fireglaives and Blunderbusses on a hill and then in front of them my Infernal Ironsworn. There was quite a bit of friendly fire. How do you play around this?

everyone will become a chaos dwarf main till they get nerf to the ground

Enough blunderbusses and you can erase any army

The "gobbo" army is really out of date on the campaign by turn 50, Unless you use Gorduz Backstabber. Then that one goblin army is kinda nuts.. $1700 upkeep for an army that could take down an army with more than twice the upkeep cost.

Maybe I am just awful. But I cannot for the life of me arrange my army so my dwarf gunners or blunders won't just shoot my own men. When they are behind, even on a hill, they melt me my immortals. When I try and flank they still somehow just end up melting my own dwarfs.

The lack of armor piercing on The Immortals is super disappointing tbh

The real question is when is empire 2? Hopefully without the awful system that appeared in Rome 2.

It's ridiculous when you confederate and so you get more elite units that you are allowed to have. Put them into one army and that army is unbeatable. No chaf, its just excellent front line, excellent ranged, excellent cav monster and disgustingly powerful artilary. With one army I'm ripping up cathay and fighting sometimes 3 stacks of them at once. I guess SFO will sort that out lol.

I'm not annoyed that CA avoided the word 'slave', I'm just dissapointed that they went with the boring 'laborer' when so many other great words exist: Peons! Roustabouts! Helots! Thralls!

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Something I've never understood about gun lines...wont I shoot my own men if I position them behind infantry?

Slaves? 1:48 I think you mean Goblin 𝒰𝓃𝓅𝒶𝒾𝒹-𝐼𝓃𝓉𝑒𝓇𝓃𝓈* and Orc 𝓤𝓷𝓹𝓪𝓲𝓭-𝓘𝓷𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓷𝓼*

ur blunderbusses are gonna massacre ur frontline if u put them like that, friendo