Click here to subscribe - www.youtube.co... Chael Sonnen talks about the recent tragic death of Maxim Dadashev after his boxing fight with Puerto Rico's Subriel Matias on this episode of Beyond the Fight.
that coach is a pos. it works in the coaches favor if he can get his fighter to round 12. If all your fighters only last 7 rounds you wont be a "good coach". But he should have stopped that fight instead of asking the fighter if the fighter was gonna stop he wouldve took a knee that retarded coach knew by asking for permission he would let the fight go on. he waited until round 12 to use his power to stop the fight, the coach is supposed to save the brave fighter from himself. garbage piece of trash coach
Its totally on the coach he should've thrown the towel in . the point of the towel is to let your fighter know he's losing and also taking unnecessary damage by doing so. I'm not blaming but the coach but if he threw the towel in his fighter could've lived to see another fight.... R.I.P these people go through a lot fr our entertainment shit like this is so sad
The corner does have the ability to stop the fight without a fighters permission, they can throw in the towel and call it off in between rounds. The reason they plead with their fighter is because of respect for their fighter, and they want their fighter to understand. I have massive respect for this guy pleading with his fighter to let him stop it, it reminded me of one of Nunes fights where her opponent was saying she was done in between rounds but her corner refused to stop it and then she was finished in the next round. So on the other hand, the corner can force their fighter to keep on fighting even if they say they’re done which is completely wrong
If a fighter has taken so much damage to the head during a fight, I think it's the coach's responsibility to stop the fight. Obviously the fighter is not in the right state of mind to make the educated decision for his/her own good to protect themselves and stop the contest
I totally agree with you my friend. Sports, science, sports medicine, everything has advanced and evolved SO MUCH since the inception of sports and combat sports. We need to make adjustments NOW. NFL moved back where you kick off, made the goal posts more narrow, etc....they recognized the advancement of training techniques and science in their sport and immediately made adjustments to re-level the playing field for the fan and for the athlete. This needs to be done now. What hasn't changed? What hasn't changed is the importance of a MEDICAL DOCTOR who is extremely familiar with the sport and specifically head injuries, not a dentist who is there for a friend, and most importantly, A REF needs to call the fight when it's clear that there is a winner. This fight should've been called and this Ref should never ref again.
In mma if you get hit with a big shot clean 9/10 your done ko or tko in boxing and other striking sports you normally get a 10 count to get up and take more shots in my opinion this is why their is more deaths in boxing than mma
it happens but not too often but 2 deaths in the same week im sure thats not too common. but who knows there were alot of no name boxers that could of died back in the day before media was what it is now.
Red Coat Philosopher there are more deaths in boxing than mma because boxing is 100 years old, mma is 25 years old, obviously there are other factors but that’s the biggest reason
When I see the power and strength of these athletes I'm surprised there aren't many more deaths. The human body and head are not made to absorb these incredible hits. Just my opinion.
Good idea. Might actually make boxing exciting again. There too many boxers that rely on surviving and dragging things out instead of fighting to win or get the KO. Boxers would for sure fight harder in a shorter fight.
Andre Ricardo Bryant the FIGHTERs would win more. I’m not saying make it a 3 round brawl but how many times do we have to watch fighter take breaks in a round or take a round off. Or coast to a 12 round victory without having to engage. HBO boxing died cuz ppl stopped watching. UFC is bigger than boxing now because there’s more action. Either make the fights shorter or get a commission that can get these fighters to actually fight each other. Tired of waiting years for boring fights.
Zack V stop the lies ufc is not bigger than boxing . CONOR MCGREGOR IS BIGGER THAN MOST BOXERS BUT THATS IT. Errol Spence made 8 million his last fight askren made 250k Pac Thurman just did between 500k and 750k buys NO ONE IN MMA TOUCHES THOSE NUMBER EXCEPT MCGREGOR
MmaMusic Joshua makes 20 million a fight Canelo makes 36 mil a fight Wilder just made the Forbes list how the hell is mma bigger than boxing. The only time an mma fighter ever made the Forbes list was when he FOUGHT A BOXER
Ramsey sent me here. I must say that Chael Sonnen is now one my favorite fighters . A real fighter is from the inside not the opposite. I really enjoyed this short video
Chael is one of the few people where I don’t agree with everything that he says but I always enjoy listening to his thought and opinions on things. I agree with this one though
Did Amateur Tae Kwon Do competition myself. 3 two minute rounds. Hell, Kickboxing competitions are 5 three minute rounds. No other combat sport I know of is anywhere near the length of boxing and MMA. If TKD or Kickboxing fights were 12 rounds someone would die every month.
Lower it down to 7 rounds, two knockdown for the entire fight and technical point superiority/clean hit count are the best opion to me. What do you guys think?
You're half-right on this Uncle Chael. The gloves are a huge factor as well. With 12 oz gloves if you get hit solid, you're gonna get knocked out. With bigger gloves you have to beat your opponent to a pulp unless you got the KO power of triple G.
I've never understood the long fights. I know that it's supposed to give a more definite winner, but that's not what ends up happening. They just end up happening at a slower pace instead.
The mental conditioning of these fighters also plays a huge role. It is important to teach fighters that IT IS OK TO QUIT. When you can't take it anymore in a fight, just quit. There is life after boxing/mma. Also IT IS OK TO RUN inside the ring. Don't listen to fans booing you for being a coward running and dancing around. At the end of the day it's not the fans going to be with you helping you out if you get yourself seriously hurt. Floyd never listens to fans. He goes in there dance around, evade, evade evade, win rounds, win the fight, take the $$$ and go home. Now he's the greatest boxer of this time.
I agree about the amount of rounds but I think a BIG contributor is the glove size in boxing. Low risk of broken hands leads to prolonged head contusions
You can't ask a gladiator, do you want to quit? They're gonna say no most of the time, they're gladiators, they're warriors. Spartans never retreat, Spartans never surrender!!! Buddy should've stopped the fight if it was that bad and all he was doing was taking punishment( I didn't see the fight) but that sucks for everyone involved.
He's right. 3x3min rounds is sufficient to showcase the competitors' skill and guarantee exciting, fast-paced contests. All the amateur sports, be it wrestling, boxing, karate, judo, kickboxing whatever, it's all somewhere in that ballpark - either 3 or 5 short rounds, that's it. It's also no coincidence that this kind of scary and tragic shit keeps happening in pro boxing and that every 2nd high profile MMA fight falls through because someone was forced to pull out.
Chael really is onto something. I don't think reducing rounds is an option but making the rounds 3 or 4 minutes is perfect IMO. That way we can have all fights be 5 rounds, 15 minutes.
That is not the only difference. Scoring is different, promoting more aggressive stiles. Not every great amateur becomes a great pro, specially if very technical but lacking power, and vice versa, this is one of the main reasons. Gloves can be smaller. No headgear, of course. Besides rulesets facilitating it, pro athletes train more on average too. There are exceptions, but most kids have school too to deal with, and some have regular jobs. Another thing to consider is the competition, if we assume (and it is just an assumption) that there are much more amateurs than pros in a sport that makes it a bigger and more varied talent pool, meaning you probably don't fight at a high level all the time. As for numbers of rounds, If say that is a business decision more than anything. You can't make a 3 round fight the whole (main) event nor cramp enough sponsor material in there. A lot of people tune in or even get into the arena only for the main championship fight in Boxing and once you are on that level you will make more money than the best MMA fighter that will always be a part of an event or tournament, even if we ignore UFC politics and monopolization vs a very different and more individualized interplay between boxing federations and promoters. Not saying that it should stay as it is, just that there are other, equally important aspects in that decision. If safety is the only or even most important criteria, and if we are logicaly consistent, than we would just ban full contact combat as well as other potentially dangerous sports. So we need to take everything in account, not just safety.
A lot of factors. The fact that after you get starched if you can get up within a 10 count and take more damage when you probably already have a concussion. And also alot of these guys have unnecessary wars during practice and are most likely concussed before the fight even starts.
Great video Chael. Another big factor is the damn 10 count. Just think from and MMA standpoint. Imagine any ko you've seen in mma recently. Now think about the red giving that fighter 10 seconds to stand up, about 60% of all fighters would probably be able to stand up, but what would they do after that? They would continue fighting, maybe even survive the round, even though they struggled to stand up.
So sad this kind of thing should be prevented Chael Sonnen speaking facts. I feel that fight should have been stopped in the 7th round. He was showing no signs of improvement it was being tagged the whole fight they could have thrown the towel in her earlier just sad to see these tragedies rest in peace to both these Fighters that have passed away in the last week
Hey Chael do you think if a fighter taking blows repeatedly for many rounds is worse than a knockout in 5 seconds? I think it may be worse due to dehydration/possibly depletion of oxygen in the blood? Does this sound accurate because it seems like a lot of the guys that die it is from longer fights so I think your argument is valid
Did you see him walk out, or hear him ask "what do I do?" In between round 1 and 2? He knew he shouldn't have been in there for whatever reason before he got in there, as great as he looked boxing, he wasn't in there. It doesn't have to do with what you're saying, he mentally didn't want to box with the guy, he was in a nightmare and not a showcase even as good as he was. You didn't watch it did you?
You have forgotten that when the boxers train for a fight, they are beating each other in the head in the gym preparing for the fight. MMA fighter don't do as much heavy sparring in their preparation.
Reduce the amount of rounds or perhaps reduce the amount of time in said rounds, maybe knock down the "3 knockdown rule" to 2 Knockdowns in around and the fight is called for his or hers safety.
In boxing the reason is money. Promotions best friend is time. To fulfill the highest potential exposure for an event the build up and months of promoting is needed. Other reason... mental health It is scientifically proven athletes who experience head trauma, concussion symptoms (knockout) the brain needs at least 1 year to recover or the potential for serious or fatal injuries increase In all I believe the scheduled duration within a contest should be and will advised it's only a matter of time
shaving off a mintue in mma doesn't sound too bad. might raise the pace of action too but not too friendly for grapplers. would be great publicity for the entire mma community too if they do it this year and do it before boxing does.
weight cut... fluid loss makes it easier for you to damage your brain. if you had the weigh ins right before they fighters step into the ring they wouldnt be able to go to such extremes in order to make weight, they would be forced to fight, more or less, at their actual walking around weight. its win/win. safer for fighters and more exciting matches for fans, because right now its not really about who is the best fighter. it is about who is geneticaly able to dehydrate and rehydrate the most so that they can fight in the lowest possible category and have an in match weight/height/reach advantage
The real issue is gloves, which are designed to protect the hands but which do little to protect the head of the opponent. A fighter can throw punches that would be physiologically impossible due to the fragile structure of the hand, which is designed as a grabbing tool not an impact weapon. You can throw literally hundreds of punches to an opponents head at full force that would break your bare hand. You''re therefore exposing the skull and brain to blows that evolution hasn't prepared them for.
As an amateur boxer that started 8 months ago, i thought the exact same thing when i started sparring. 12 rounds of 3 min seems too much. It may be inexperience from my side but i don't understand how you can go so far in terms of pain and not give in. I read stories about fractured skulls and brain hemorrhage. I thought the symptoms and pain would be enough to make the fighter understand that he should forfeit before sth serious happens to him.
If the fighter quits then everyone will call him a pussy. He will not only lose money and the respect of his peers and women, but will also get absolutely THRASHED on social media and media in general. And it could seriously hurt his career. Just take Anthony Joshua for example. He wanted to quit in the last fight. He wasn't doing well and was looking like he was feeling ill. But he couldn't just quit. He got dropped 3 times and it was the referee who stopped the fight. Now imagine if Joshua decided to leave after the first concussion. His career would be over.
This would change the outcome of fights for sure. With less rounds, corrales loses to Freitas, Leonard to Hearns, (I believe that was a 15) It would take away from some of the late fight magic. I think we just have to accept boxing, like football is not good for your health, and at the end of the day we are either okay with that or we are not and then we should discuss what we do from there.
Ill never understand why boxing has to go so many rounds. If they did less rounds the fights would be more exciting and little bitches like Mayweather would actually have to fight to win. Not just lean up against the ropes the whole time.
while you shouldn't put yourself in a situation where your life is on the line,people die in a specific moment regardless of what's happening to them. i.e if that boxer stayed at home that day he would've still died,brain damage or not.
It's because the main target is the head. More than any other sport other than football and futbol as well with head collisions and hitting the ball with your head.
Who says that limiting rounds would stop fatal injuries. If there is some sort of facts that show deaths occur when in later rounds, then yes they should. But I fighter can get injured in the first round and die too I would think, or lets say they shorten to 8 rounds. That's still plenty of time for a fighter to get fatally injured.
how are the amateurs and the professionals the same? youre saying theres no difference between Tyson in his prime and during his first amateurs fight? u cant be serious. not to mention the amount of damage youve sustained at the start, middle and end of youre career is completely different between your average fighter (obviously the elite ones who are better at deffemce dont take as much dmg)
I believe it's reasonable. Grapplers need time to set up their ground game, otherwise the sport would be just kickboxing with some throws and a bit of pounding. It would lose it's distinctive flacour.
Disagree. As far as the UFC is concerned, this is fighting. Most of us thought for a bit that Masvidal might have killed Askren, and I don't think the duration of the bout was much of a factor there. Obviously the aim is not to kill your opponent, but in real life when you are attacked, if you kill your opponent with the first blow, then it feels like that would be the perfect result. In the UFC they are trying to get as close to real life combat as is reasonable. That is why they have 5 minute rounds and 25 minute title fights, because in a real fight you would have as much time as you needed to execute your gameplan, which could be to physically exhaust another high level athlete, that takes time.
Even if fights were just one 3 minute round, you still wouldn't eliminate all deaths. If we actually cared, we would ban combat sports. It's a brutal sport and there are going to be tragedies. Period. Bad things happen. But these are grown men. They're choosing to do this of their own accord. The solution to bad things happening isn't to baby proof the world. Let the guys fights.
Lol, in amateur boxing you also wear a head guard. Pro boxing already has lower round fights ( lol again ). High level pro fights SHOULD BE 12 rounds. Perhaps fighters in boxing should learn how to box. Defense and learning to slip punches is part of the art. The coach or the ref sometimes has to save the fighter from himself. This is unfortunate and horrible. RIP . 😢
Boxing fans think 12 rounds are fine. 36 minutes of being punched mostly in the head with bigger, more concussive gloves plus the count after knockdowns not to mention the hundreds of amateur fights and longer sparring is inhumane.
No. Not arbitrary. These things are decided based on entertainment and profit. The powers that be know that the people will pay to see a tap, nap, or snap. They absolutely do not want to see the vast majority of fight go to score card decision. The crowd wants blood, and they will pay to see it, especially if it isn't too quick. It's wouldn't be entertaining and profitable if all combat sports were (3) two minute rounds, where the team can throw in the towel without the fighter's ringside permission, where there were no gloves (thus reducing the majority of hard blows to the head), and referees were required to step in much more quickly when a fighter isn't able to defend themselves. Better for the fighters. Bad for business.
It sounds callous to suggest that these fighters are voluntarily in the know of what they’re getting into, and that if anything fatal were to occur to them, it’s of their fault and their fault only. This is a poor way of looking at thing’s at what they are, at least at face value. Business owners aren’t losing any sleep in all this, the families of these fighters do.
How about there's a limit to how many power shots to the head one can take. If they get hit ovet that # fights done. People woild get better at defense real quick.
@@tagootuesday6521 yes but they have the ability to and if their fighter is repeatedly getting hit in the head and body really hard round after round, THEY SHOULD STOP THE FIGHT.
@@AXharoth mma has lower percentage of deaths on average. Actually most combat sports have. Boxing has the highest percentage by far. Getting hit 1-2 times when you are down is much safer than having 10 seconds to get back up and continue at least an other round of getting hit in the head.
tommy when did he say it was “actual fighting“ ???? YOUR SAYING THAT , you’ve never fought a day in your life , go fight a boxer in the streets and let me know how it goes you wannabe RU-vid fighter
I’m no expert but from what I gather : boxers have way too many gym wars , they spar like they fight it’s too hard & unnecessary. They also have a 10 count usually in MMA fighters knocked out followed by some punches and it’s over, in boxing they stand up and take repeated punishment to the head. These are two of many factors of why boxing has more deaths and is more dangerous than MMA
Gym wars are less common now. It used to be everywhere. You'd join a gym and they'd bust you up all the time. There was no light sparring. Then when boxers started fading young and dying early trainers slowed it down. It's still a thing in some gyms but not as much today.
Spot on with this comment!! Ive trained in boxing and mma gyms and the cultures on sparring that involves striking is vastly different. The mma gyms understand the importance of light sparring but the boxing ones are still very old school when it comes to that area
Also big gloves allow for repeated clubbing blows to the head.... which results in a lot more sustained beatings than you get in mma. Fighters rarely die from one big punch, it's almost always the result of a sustained beating. In mma gloves if two or three clean shots land you're going down and getting stopped more often than not.... in boxing you can take dozens of clean shots and not drop. For every sharp ko punch in mma you get dozens if not hundreds of thudding concussive shots which accumulate over the course of a fight/career and do permanent damage.
Those are 2 great points. I've also heard that the larger gloves make for a more dangerous fight. I hear conflicting information on this but I can understand that gloves weighing 10 or 12oz will have more of an impact than 4oz gloves. The bigger gloves protect your hands and reduce the cuts to your face, but what about the brain? Either way, they should just get rid of 36 minute fights and maybe take a different approach from the 10 count system. It's getting to be too much
It's true that boxing is more dangerous as far as brain damage because of 10 counts and longer fights but not by much. In MMA you're more likely to have your head or face literally caved in and shattered into a ~100 pieces (see Northcutt and Cyborg KOs) because small gloves, knees, and elbows have more of a piercing impact due to a smaller surface area. Also a well conditioned shin is like a bat. If boxing made some small changes it'd be safer than MMA by a looooong shot.
Exactly. First one to get visibly unconscious is out. Maybe they should make the boxer count to ten instead of the ref or something to make sure they're all there.
Bran Stark thank you. Should be like a 3 count or something just to make sure like someone just getting knocked off balance and should always be judged even if they get up in those 3 seconds by more than just the ref
