How To Remove Stuck Valve Tuning Slides

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This is a "How to" video about pulling the small valve tuning slides on trumpet, cornet, flugelhorn, and baritone (do not try this on tubas). Although this repair appears to be a little violent, it is safe and should not hurt your instrument if it is done correctly. However, do not try it if you are not comfortable doing it. Also, it is always good to practice on a junk instrument first if possible.
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@ryebread1159 4 года назад

I just noticed that almost all the parts of my trumpet are stuck

@bengtthulin1535 3 года назад

Thank you for showing things the way they really are!! It would have been so easy for you just to show a "polished" version where you had already released the slide before filming. Showing us how things went wrong at first is brave of you, and that should make any customer trust you!

@vroomoon 6 лет назад

Thanks for the screwdriver tip! I just freed a first valve slide that had been stuck for at least 100 years!

@JustClaude13 5 лет назад

I'm going to make a pair of wooden pry-bars for my cornet.

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@kriztiannuevita1 4 года назад

Thanks!! I freed a stuck slide from my flugelhorn, and now I can finally play it in tune

@abstrathmeyer 6 лет назад

Great video! In our shop, we use an industrial penetrating oil called Kroil. It has a corrosion busting formula that really helps loosen a corroded slide. Apply to the ferrule slit, hit the tubes with a torch to create thermal expansion, tap sides of tubes with light mallet to open microscopic cracks in the corrosion, wait a day while the oil seeps into the cracks, repeat as needed. Same process as taking a rusty muffler off a car. Usually takes about a week to loosen up and much less brute force needed!

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 6 лет назад

Thank you for the information. I will have to check out the Kroil and try to do a video on the technique you described. Where is your shop located?

@abstrathmeyer 6 лет назад

We are in metro-west Boston, in the town of Littleton. We sell, rent and service primarily student horns. (There's a really great professional brass shop only 15 minutes away in the next town, Osmun Music in Acton, MA. We send all our "impossible" repairs over there!) Another useful tool for freeing slides are the ferrule pliers from Ferree's. These pliers have circular jaws with a knife edge and a micrometer diameter adjustment, perfect for getting into the slit at the ferrule but not crushing the tubing. Then you tap on the pliers to exert sliding force directly on the ferrule. Avoids bending the braces or breaking them off. Only downside is the pliers can dig into the brass ferrule a little, but that's easy to burnish away.

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 6 лет назад

I have heard of Osmun Music. Some of my customers go there. I have the tuning slide pliers and I use them some times, but I usually prefer other methods if possible. If you ever get out to Burnt Hills, NY, stop in and say hi.

@tristanschaper281 2 месяца назад

Amazing video! I did something similar with a screwdriver up against the inside of the bend, and then used a hammer with gentle taps. I think the solid vibration/mechanical taps work well. And heat with penetrating oil, too. I'm learning a lot!

@LookSharpFeelSharpBeSharp 4 года назад

Wow, I give you great credit for demonstrating with such a difficult slide!! Thanks for such a great video!!

@kenstephens2248 2 года назад

Watched your video, got a seriously stuck tuning slide unstuck with some penetrating oil, heat, and patience. Thank you so much.

@nef003 3 года назад

Wow; this was a wonderful tutorial. Never seen such a stuck valve. Wow. I was cringing the whole time. 😬

@JustClaude13 5 лет назад

I made levers out of 1/2 inch oak, sprayed some penetrating oil, then used a het gun to draw the oil into the joint. After some time spent tapping with a rawhide mallet to break the crust, I pried the valve slides of fairly easily. Thanks for the tip. The only thing left is the main tuning slide, and I suspect that's going in to the shop.

@dollycase9665 7 месяцев назад

Worked like a charm on the second pull! Thanks!

@ticklemesenpai447 Год назад

Thank you for this video, this technique worked really well for clearing the third tuning slide, didn't really work out for the 2nd, but honestly I don't care that much about that yet, I'm just starting to learn and got an old trumpet that needed some serious cleaning, got it fully functioning and cleaned the 2nd valve slide with a custom tool. mine was very stuck so I had to use a torch and penetrating oil but it was eventually free with the pull method, did hurt the laquer a bit but the thing had bare patches and cosmetic dents all over so no real harm done.

@LaurasLastDitch 6 лет назад

Nice video, Art! That was a little scary looking! I thought you were going to pull the vise off the workbench.

@deltaray3 6 лет назад

I could swear I've had some slides stuck so hard that it would have broke the vise first.

@MrStarbor 2 года назад

great explanation!!! That's why when I used your method I did not prevent slide from flying on the floor .but the worst thing that happened was two valve casings were kinda damaged so i had to use another approach

@farquell5782 2 года назад

Thank you for the screwdriver trick! I just used it today on a piccolo trumpet 4th valve slide!

@bigshell478 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much for your videos, I got the valve slides unstuck on a used baritone I just purchased.

@beaujangles02 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video, sorted out my stuck slide

@SB_HAEX2000 4 года назад

Thanks for the help! I used some thin paper although probably not ideal. Did it on my 2nd valve for my baritone, held the part for the valve then pulled out the tuning slide. Gotta watch your videos more often for instrument help.

@Euphonium_boi 5 месяцев назад

Well, how’s it going

@SB_HAEX2000 3 месяца назад

@@Euphonium_boigood honestly. I haven't played in 2 years though...but worked out for the time. Wbu?

@Euphonium_boi 3 месяца назад

@@SB_HAEX2000 really great actually! what made you stop playing if you doing minds me asking?

@SB_HAEX2000 3 месяца назад

@@Euphonium_boi noice noice, I ended up just not being completely committed to learning and practicing with my euphonium/baritone that I played throughout my school years. I'd rather be completely focused than half committed, so I stopped. Maybe in the future I'll pick up an instrument again, but we shall see

@Euphonium_boi 3 месяца назад

@@SB_HAEX2000 that’s fair. Glad to hear it worked out in school tho!

@voratheharbinger2384 3 года назад

You know ill just take it to a shop

@justsomeguywithoutalife230 3 года назад

Me: pull My table: YEET

@dioluthier 4 года назад

nice video.

@aidanmoore3153 4 года назад

Guy: Put it right through the slide that is stuck Me: Ok, yeah Guy: Then you just chuck it in the vice grip Me: Well that went from 0 to 100 real quick! All jokes aside, this is a pretty good tutorial

@spaceheater1 5 лет назад

Thanks for the great info! What kind of torch are you using there? It looks very handy. Does using a penetrating oil like Liquid Wrench hurt a finished brass instrument any? I sometimes use that or the corrosion cracker. (My needle applicator for the corrosion cracker is pretty stopped up, and I may have to use some acetone to get it unclogged. Any thoughts on a good way to unclog the needle?)

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 5 лет назад

The torch is called a Micro Torch. I do not think penetrating oil hurts the finish, but I would wipe it off when you are done. You could use a small diameter needle spring to get the tube unstuck.

@jimritter9120 4 года назад

Dear Mr. Arthur, Can you advise of the type of wick to use for clean and buffing the slides? It comes in cotton and fiberglass. Thank you in advance for your answer. Jim

@nate-404 5 лет назад

Thank you! Heat and oil with a pull got the 1st valve unstuck. Now to conquer the 2nd...

@adriangeorge6931 4 года назад

Nate Oehring how did u do the 2nd

@jrbuckner01 4 года назад

I would think that that flame Would ruin the lacquer

@DennisJohnsonDrummer Год назад

I just had to laugh at around 3:11- I broke the wick. That would be me.

@endurocatfish Год назад

Any variations on this technique on a French horn due to their design?

@davemiller7633 2 года назад

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@georgethompson715 2 года назад

Thankyou :D

@jamesroberts3642 Год назад

Will heat ruing any 24kt gold plating?

@garrettc.44 2 года назад

Jesus you are a lifesaver

@sinisterniik 4 года назад

Can you use the wicking method in the beginning of this video on a main tuning slide?

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 4 года назад

No, the slide will likely get bent because it is too wide. Here is the link to the playlist "How To Repair Stuck Tuning Slides" ru-vid.com/group/PLtJyi3RgtJ2t9PfcfrdGEuqV7o-N9GXzm

@rumba7 6 лет назад

I have been using tubular webbing to pull slides. It comes in 1 inch and 1/2 inch widths. It is extremely strong, but still soft and flexible. It can be purchased from sporting goods stores that carry rock climbing equipment.

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 6 лет назад

That is a great idea. I will need to try that.

@MrEh5 3 года назад

@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop tubular webbing doesn't stretch like wick. You can get a thinner type called tie off webbing used by aid climbers.

@JoelHansell 2 года назад

Isn’t tubular webbing usually nylon? I’m not sure it’s going to work with heat… What’s your experience?

@justsomeguywithoutalife230 3 года назад

“Give a little pull” Me: *pulling with all my might* Me: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *crack* Me: :0

@myrthorton4218 6 лет назад

Question. What do you use as a lubricant on the slides of the trumpets? Curious, very curious...

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 6 лет назад

I use SuperSlick slide grease that comes in the little plastic containers with the screw on lid.

@myrthorton4218 6 лет назад

The Brass and Woodwind Shop thanks for the info.

@abstrathmeyer 6 лет назад

In our shop we use lanolin - comes in a plastic squeeze tube in the nursing-mothers section of your local drug store. Lanolin has a great feel on a tuning slide - stiff enough to stay put but very smooth when moving. If the player is actually going to use the 1st and 3rd valve slides while playing, you can apply a little valve oil afterwards to get the action as easy as they want.

@gabrielleao1675 5 лет назад

My Sousaphone's valves are REALLY stucked, no one take it out for years, every time I try to remove it knead and it's impossible, what can I do?

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 5 лет назад

I will try to do a video about how to fix this soon.

@gabrielleao1675 5 лет назад

@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop thank you for answer me, good night friend

@rodrigroudon1872 2 года назад

How do you get the top valve cap unstuck because I’m forced to put in my valve oil from the bottom

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 2 года назад

Here is the link to a video that may help: How To Remove Stuck Valve Caps ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j3kyKc7rwWE.html

@VODGAME 4 года назад

I tried the WD40 and the hair dryer. Now I'm going to try it but I'm afraid it will damage the solders (3rd slide stuck) please help what can ı do?

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 4 года назад

Rarely does the solder joint break, but they do on occasion. Usually, if you are not comfortable doing a repair, you should not try it. If you can find a junk instrument with the same problem, practice on that one first. It will build confidence and you will get a better feel for how the brass acts and feels. If you do not want to risk it, just take it to a repair shop. I hope this helps. Art

@dilly738 4 года назад

My baritone is so stuck :/

@luisbotelho2199 3 месяца назад

❤👍🇧🇷

@garangan2797 9 месяцев назад

Of all the baritone players in our band, all the instruments can open all the slides, but only my baritone can't😭😢

@jazztrumpet-8246 4 года назад

I have a Constellation 38B 2nd valve slide is extremely stuck. Tried your method, WD-40, and nothing

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 4 года назад

If you have tried everything and it still does not come out, the slides may need to be unsoldered. But before you do that, try putting the casing mandrel in the casing when you pull on it. This gives you a lot more power without as much danger of damaging it.

@CarlosSanchez-rf7kq 6 лет назад

Could you try one on French Horn?

@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 6 лет назад

You may be able to, but you would need to be very careful because French Horns are a lot more fragile. Also, if the stuck slide is one of the ones that the bell is in the way of, it is better to use one of the other methods of removing it. If you do try it, hold the horn by the rotor section.

@CarlosSanchez-rf7kq 6 лет назад

The Brass and Woodwind Shop Oh so it is possible to use the other methods!