Thank you for all of your videos! I have a recent trip to Switzerland to try my first via ferrata and your Channel has been incredibly helpful! I appreciate your time making these videos!
Firstly, I hope you are suitably recovered and I enjoy your videos. With regard to preference for asymmetric lanyards for resting-purposes, I would say it is a personal choice, although hopefully one based on 'safety', all of which you have previously addressed in other videos. In the rope access world we tend to use dynamic rope cows-tails and karabiners; they can be made to any length, to suit any size climber and the only skill you need is being able to tie a couple of overhand knots for the centre attachment point/belay loop of the harness and couple of barrel knots (aka Poachers-Knot; Double-Overhand Noose; Two-Turn Scaffold knot....there are LOTS of names for the same knot) on the 'biners. EDIT - Before anyone 'flames' me for suggesting overhands at the centre point; yes you could tie a Fig-8 or use an Alpine-Butterfly (AB), although the latter can 'move' around a bit when loaded (ask anyone who has spent time 'hanging' on their cows-tails via an AB ;-)
Wish you a speedy recovery! I watched the video and I agree with most of it. At 13:20 you said something about trying to find an anchor point below your level and I think that this should rather be avoided or the pros and cons be very carefully examined as clipping to low and letting yourself fall in that resting point might be dangerous for yourself depending on how low you are. In some cases maybe it is better to just take a fall using the via ferrata kit to absorb the shock (especially if you're on a heavier side & the resting point is low)
Thank you. Thank you ♥️! I already am swimming 1k and more. I yet didn't tried to hike high up. Soon. But so far it appears I'm improving. At the time you point I was saying that I search for anchor points at my eye level or above (I was implying that never lower). You are correct, if you clip yourself bellow the level of your belay loop you risk to create high fall factors. It doesn't matter if you clip yourself with the Via Ferrata Set or the resting system way too low. They both are a danger (as you rightly say). If you clip yourself way bellow with the resting system (that is static) the risk is way higher. Close to death maybe. All you've pointed is correct and valid. Thank you for helping! ♥️
Well either way you mentioned that this might be dangerous later in the clip. Sorry for the comment though, once I reached the point you mentioned clipping below yourself I sent the comment and 30 secs later i embarrassingly realized I was too hasty. Lesson learned ^^
Your comment and concerns are valid. Thank you for doing it; taking the time to straighten the things and giving me the opportunity to make it even clearer. Don't worry about it. To me it means that I failed to send a clearer straight forward point sooner. It is a lesson for me as well. I will in exchange make sure to improve how I speak about it to make sure it is easier to get the point. The main idea is that I'm humbled and happy you've taken the time to debate me. It means the world. Thank you, thank you! ♥️
Hey! Thank you for the comprehensive answer. I didn't mean my comment to be offensive even though it may have sounded that way. I know that the topic of resting on via ferrata is somewhat controversial. However, I still think that if you are trying to create an educational video mainly for beginners, I think it should be methodically correct. If the manufacturer of the via ferrata set recommends only an eye on the set for rest, there will be reasons for this. Personally, I think that in this case it will be the easy interchangeability of the resting system with the ferrata cable. And there is also a risk, in a situation where you are resting in a vertical and you forget to unlock the resting system while continuing up. In that case, it is a significant risk. Sure, it's user error, but it's pointless to create dangerous situations in advance. Each piece of climbing equipment has a manufacturer's recommended use and there are reasons for this that may seem silly to us, but I'm sure that the insurance company will be interested in whether the equipment was used in a proper way if some situation arises that neither you nor I anticipate. I agree with that that the resting system can certainly have its uses when crossing bridges, as you mention, but again, it's not methodologically correct. Again, please don't take this as an offensive comment, more of a different point of view from someone who mostly rock climbs and occasionally goes via ferrata. Thanks for what you do.
Hi! ♥️ Using a carabiner attached to the shock absorber loop for resting on Via Ferrata is not wrong. In my opinion it is a proposed solution that comes with too many limitations. For me and my case, Y-psilon from Climbing Technology works best. It allows me to go on difficulty levels otherwise I could not go through without suffering incidents. I know my strengths and limits. I don't want to find myself hanging on overhand with a shock absorber deployed and unable to get back close to the wall considering that I go alone and expose myself that much. Clipping a carabiner to the loop of the shock absorber is a basic resting solution that works given its limitations. If one wants more and better he or she should learn to master different systems. If you are a level C Via Ferrata climber and only go on level C routes probably you will never need to rest. And if you do, you will do just fine with the basic resting system. I was last year on Renke 2 in Slovenia. A straight vertical with no pegs or rungs. With the carabiner clipped to the loop you will never make it to above the bolt where you can clip yourself. Well, you will if you still have the energie to lift yourself that high. The system has limitations. On another Via Ferrata in Slovenia the start was a straight vertical with a wet wall. Half distance I needed to rest. In no way I would've been able to go above the bolt to that I can clip the carabiner of the basic system. I reached with my hand the bolt (the cable was wet and slippery) hanged on it, clipped the Y-psilon and disaster was avoided. For easy comfortable routes you don't need complex systems. But, for complex situations you do. Imagine if you fall on a bridge. It can happen. And the shock absorber deploys. How will you recover from that? It is hard. I can tell you that. Thank you for the support. It means a lot.
@@JetSetYourself I fully agree, it's much more complex than a one-fits-all solution. What bugged me is the fact that that person acted like a know it all, got in my face and started screaming around like a maniac... no need for that imo. Better to have a pro and con conversation. We're all friends on the mountain! I bring a lanyard with carabiner, spare lanyard for a self made chest harness (thanks for the tip in another video btw, greatly appreciated), spare carabiner, a sling similar to your green one and some prusiks. Because I want to have the systems that I might need. I have a motto "better to have than need" and I don't mind a bit of weight. I have a young child and a full time job so I can only do day trips in Austria where I live, your videos of the ferratas in other countries are making me want to travel tho haha! I think I'll do a walkthrough of my kit in a video soon, too. Just got into strapping a camera to myself on ferratas, probably also because of your content... and also because I want to show my friends my awesome hobby, hoping some will want to join some day. You're definitely gonna get credit in that video about the gear haha. Thanks for the vids, keep em coming! Appreciate you taking time to answer in such detail. Keep doing the good work of telling people to get off the couch, people need to hear it!
Healthy debates should be encouraged. Unfortunately our society suffers currently from a lot of extremist views. If you talk and you are not politically correct you are then blamed. And the story goes on. What I asked the person commenting is to avoid blunt affirmations and once the affirmation made to also provide some insight. Why connecting directly to the belay loop of the sitting harness is wrong? For example. Don't just say it is wrong. It doesn't help to comprehend. It also doesn't help me to make an informed decision. I shall only trust you for what you tell me. Not healthy. Why resuming yourself to a carabiner clipped to a loop will suffice? To provide the argument that manufacturers write this in their manuals is not enough. They of course for liability purposes stick with what is straightforward and voids them of liability. Them adding that to the manuals is a step forward. Until recently they were not speaking about resting at all. But what about the rest. She eventually told me that I defy the methodology withiut saying how and what the methodology is. This type of dialog becss toxic fast because it only says you are wrong. It doesn't explain how one is wrong and why is best to do it differently. Here is not about offence or fights. Not even about being friends on the mountain. We should be civilised all the time. Not only on the mountain. Of course, on the mountain we have an ethical dilemma. Will one jump to help someone in need and risk his or her life? And here comes in place what you are saying. If we educate ourselves more and go up there prepared maybe we can do it, maybe we can help. I helped when I had all I needed and I did helped when I was not prepared. It is tough to help when you don't have with you the necessary gear. And a big risk. I guess the issue is that there is not enough information and education about while life and how to care of ourselves when exposed to the elements. Not only the mountain. A swamp, a river, etc. I made a video about how to make fire. Zero interest. I got strained in Australia and called for help because I was not able to make fire (it was raining badly and there was no chance for me to get it lighted). It only needs to happen once. To get into trouble and end up bad or very bad. Of course guided Via Ferrata is safe. No guide will take you on something with high risk. But what if? I was with a group and someone fell on the least expected segment. After, someone ended up strained and I never expected that person to fail. What helped? The extra equipment. You with a child after you, for sure you should go better over prepared than under. Imagine if some happens to you and the child has to get out of it and maybe call for help. Imagine if something happens to the child and you have to care his weight up to the end. Relying just on the Via Ferrata Set and a carabiner is foolish. I heard about an experienced rock climber found dead. Why? The belay loop. It was used and before he started the climb he outloud said will do it once more. It appears he was wrong. I look forward to hear more abiut your RU-vid channel. Maybe you will share the link with us here.
@@JetSetYourself I agree with you whole heartedly about the point of encouraging healthy debates. To me, this is what makes the internet such a cool "place", as long as the people behind the keyboard agree to act civilised haha! Of course friendliness or at least respect doesn't stop at the foot of the mountain, I just think that the behaviour that person exhibited is very far from how you should behave on the mountain or when giving feedback (they probably meant well!) in general. I am currently thinking about investing into the edelrid via ferrata belay kit precisely because I want to be able to help others. My kid is still far too young (3 years and 15kg) to come along, although he'd love to. I take him bouldering sometimes tho, he loves it! But just being able to bring people along on D routes for example would be nice. Also my wife has enjoyed her first ferrata, so I'd like to go on some more with her and have the extra safety. But before that I want to practice with the equipment properly, first the basic setup and then maybe get into one of the setups you presented in another video. Asking to drop the link to my channel is so nice of you, I did not want to impose or promote myself with my comment. I don't plan on doing RU-vid for anything other than making the videos for fun and to show to some friends. Also I don't see myself in the position of giving advice to viewers as I just got started like a year ago. But if you want to check out some videos it's the profile from which I'm writing now. I'd be happy to hear about what I can do better both on the wall and in the video!
Cool. Make sure to not let the straps of the backpack floating around. They can get stuck in the cracks of the rock and it gen get you into trouble big time. In the last video, well done for the effort to sync the 360 with the head camera. What I've seen you doing is always waiting until you are way above the bolt to make the transition. You can see that it actually bothers you and is not that comfortable. The risk here is in case you slip and fall while prepping to make the anchor point transition. It can happen. If you fall, not the momentum is larger because you fall from higher. I suggest you do the transition the moment you can rich the bolt above. In this way you are way below it and if you slip the momentum is less. I also caught you making the transition with moth hands. Always the same hand and only one. The other should always ensure goot stable grip on the resting hold. The second carabiner put it above the first. Not below. No need to pad the rocks to see if they can dislocate. Learn to feel the micro movements. Great job with the backpack mount. You have a tendency to hold one carabiner with a hand, another with the other while making the transitions. Dangerous. Instable. One hand should always fix you to a solid resting point. In case something happens you should be able to keep yourself suspended and fixed with that. The exit from the bridge. Again, you switch hands when making the transition. If you fall and hold the carabiners the way you do your tendency will be to grab with the hands. Grabbing means opening the carabiner. Very dangerous. You always put the second carabiner below. Interesting behavior. I will study the case and see if it can in any way help. To me it appears extra effort and exposure to failures. Interesting. I will investigate. We should definitely go together on a D or a E. Please accept my apologies for nagging you like this with all my advise. The message was, I checked all your videos and paid attention 😂😊😁 I didn't see you testing the system when starting the climb. Please do that. You never know how you miss something including cuts into the webbing. Testing it by stressing it with your weight passively helps make sure all is good.
Hi! I lokr your videos very much! Hope you recover soon and competly! I have a question if you don't mind - where you tie the resting system on the belay loop of the harness - below the VF set or on top of it? Greetings from Bulgaria! Sorry if my english is not very good 🙂
Whishing you speedy, full recovery, wanted also to thank you for all the knowledge passed to us. Thanks to your content I was able to learn A LOT and slowly starting to crawl through beginner-level VF's in my country. Also, your resting systems make a lot of sense to me. Can you please specify the exact model you're using? I was not able to find even something similar in my local stores. Thank you and again, you're doing an amazing work mate.
Thank you for the good wishes. I'm almost fully recovered. Will take three to four months and some high altitude climbs to get there but I'm on the good track. It makes me happy to know my work helps. I had multiple issues to deal with lately but I will soon resume adding to the pool of knowledge through new insightful videos. The resting system I use it is called Y-psilon (Ypsilon) from Climbing Technology. There are still some online shoots that sell it in Europe. I see. Climbing Technology still has it in their catalogue
@@JetSetYourself Great, now I know what to look for. Thanks again, going back to watching the rest of your content (up to this day, the hardest pill to swallow was "do not do VFs alone". I mean, it is SO hard to find people who are willing to leave their warm bed in the middle of the night, drive for several hours to a specific location and climb ;-). I also should mention I'm 42 years old, so maybe that plays a role too XD. Cheers!
@bartoszkantoch8126 I'm aost 44. I always do them alone. I will encourage you to practice, train, prepare because company can only help in specific case scenarios and usually it mostly is only about calling for help. I had a 30 yrs dropping 80m on a climb (not Via Ferrata or rock climbing) and his partner could not do anything about it. Some climbers high on the mountain had fell coverage and called for help. It took 40minutes to the helicopter to come (in between I reacted the place of the incident as well). The poor man was alone going through the pain. And he was lucky to not have any open wounds. The lesson? A friend might save your life. That's true. But otherwise you are all on your own even if a friend keeps you company. The demons? I have them all the time. Then, people ask why I am so confident, assertive, direct, etc. Try solo climbing at various times of the day, week, months, year in random places many times climbs that are over your limit. You will stay on the edge of breaking. There is pain. And there is faith. At the end, without realising you become stronger but unfortunately also more isolated from the norm that meeds in pubs or at restaurants (men or women). At the end you have to make a choice. And the choice you make will make you become you of tomorrow. No need to have someone woke up at 4am. Just make time to stop by the pub and say hello. No need to get drunk or deing more than a beer. Just enough to have some closure. But remember, the road high up is mostly lonely. Not the woman, not the friends. You by yourself.
@@JetSetYourself Yeah, point taken. I realize that even with company. in some cases there's hardly anything one can do for others. Will keep that in mind. One last question of I may. It seems that in case of your VF set, you're using different combination of carabiners. I am fully aware that each carabiner has a distinct shape and is suppose to fill a certain role but can you please explain (or point me to a specific YT content of yours) where you explain why? For example - you're using a certain carabiner with you FV set and other (the screw-on ones) on your resting system? I've already found the Ypsilon in an online shop so now would like to pick the proper carabiners for it. Thank you.
@bartoszkantoch8126 don't confuse the resting system with the Via Ferrata Set. All Via Ferrata Sets come with their own carabiners and all carabiners are made specifically for Via Ferrata. For your resting system you should use the se type of carabiner. For my resting system I do NOT use screw lock carabiners. I was using in the past carabiners with twist-lock just because I yet didn't bought the right think. The Wire-Lock system should be the one used on Via Ferrata for resting systems. Climbing Technology has K-Classic carabiner made for Via Ferrata resting systems. Petzl has the Wire-Lock Vertigo. Kong and Singing Rock have carabiners identical to K-Classic. Black Diamond has an interesting Via Ferrata carabiner that I actually love a lot. I only have one. Hard to find on the European Market. Go for Vertigo Wire-Lock and K-Classic to add to your resting system. Remember that the cheapest functional but not versatile resting system is a quickdraw. A quick draw can only be used for resting. A proper resting system like Ypsilon can be used for aiding and resque without problem.
Thank you. Hopefully I can fully recover sooner than later. What I use for resting is named Y-psilon from Climbing Technology. There are some variations from Edelrid and Petzl I think. It happens that I like Y-psilon a lot for various reasons. I will have to but the other and test to also record a video on it. Let's see. Finances are tight. With it I use Via Ferrata rated carabiners from Petzl and Climbing Technology or SingingRock.
Sorry to hear about your pneumonia I hope you recover soon. I also recommend the petzel connect adjust so you have long & short rests, but I would connect it to the belt as designed. I also think clipping in opposite directions helps against gate loading accidents in a fall, so I disagree with the commenter
Long time no see. I hope you had a good winter. I presume at least you, got some snow because on my side, it was zero. Thank you for the good wishes. I will try to do exactly what you did. Take it seriously and invest as much in the rehabilitation.
Well it is true, on the manuals of the various sets it is written that the loop on the shock apsorber is used also for the caribiner aka resting sistem. But, from my pov and experience, when i want to rest or in some other situation, a separate Y resting sistem makes so that there is no un-necessary preassure on the shock apsorber...why, simply becose i want my shock apsorber be in best shape possible in case of a fall and i want to use it only in a falling situation. Thx for the video
Agreed. Same manufacturers suggest to replace the set if the seal of the shock absorber becomes visible. In reality what makes a shock absorber weak is a sum of factors. Ageing of the stitches and webbing, mechanical stress (as you say sitting and resting or dropping for rest into it), our weight, the severity of a possible fall and probably more. The resting system I use is multipurpose. While it might be interesting to suffer the anxiety of not knowing how I will get out of a situation, I prefer to not get into that and hence, I use redundancies (as crossing a bridge for example). Overhangs are another edge case where if you don't have proper aiding and you lose it you might get into big trouble. Ideally? I will never have to rely on the Via Ferrata Set and its shock absorber. Probably, at a point will happen that I will fall. Let's hope when and if, all will be good. Until then, maintaining the gear in optimal state is a priority. Better to put stress on the Y-psilon than on the shock absorber.
So i had a situation yesterday in Austria, and i remembered your video. So i was descending by via ferrata, last few meters of descent, under me there was snow and ice and the only option was to put the winter equipment on while hanging on the via ferrata, why? Becose i would slide down hard after detaching. So a sepparate Y resting system did a perfect job in holding me midair whille i was mounting the equipment on my shoes and taking my axes from the backpack without putting any pressure on the ferrata set
Usually dyneema because per density is stronger leads to smaller footprint of the sling. A nylon sling will have a larger width usually. Dyneema will be probably half the width of a nylon sling. Otherwise there are no difference. They age plus minus the same. Obviously dyneema makes a sling for resting better (smaller footprint). Recommend but of course it comes with a higher price tag.
