Good learning! I have a project this summer that has some large limbs hanging way out.... so seeing how you rigged things to control the fall and sweep was definitely helpful!
Enjoyed the video. Double Rigging. I use it some. It's the third step in control rigging. First you have a rigging rope set up to control drop. Second, if necessary, you add a tagline to control movement of rigged piece. Finally, in difficult situations like you had, with big limbs over house targets, you add a second rigging setup to float picks away to safe landing. Very nice. Helps to have really good rope men on the ground. Thanks for sharing. Super job.
The rope stretch on that chunck was wild. Really made me think about sticking with only one brand/model for designated purposes to be able to understand/ predict better what it's going to do in each situation. Thanks for the post, great teamwork! Happy Easter Romans 8:11
Yes, it caught me by suprise. That was a brand new 12 strand rope too. I think they tend to have a little more stretch until they get broken in. I do much of my work with double braid.
Thanks man! I was hoping someone would see that 😅 it's slightly controversial because everything still connect to you through one bridge or two bridges that are close together 🤷♂️
Excellent videos as usual. I was curious about what you were going to do for that, and I’m impressed and will use this setup next time I run into this situation. Thanks brother!
Thanks Christian! Patience is everything in this industry. Every accident story I hear seems to start with "we were in a rush..." I've made the mistake of rushing too many times and I try my best to avoid it.
My only suggestion would be to fishpole the green line below you to prevent any fouling as the pieces are dumped into the rigging. (First and second pieces noticeably got into it.)
@@zaccheus One would likely be sufficient, as long as it was near the point where the rope was the farthest out. It worked perfectly as you did it, but there was potential for fouling. I try to avoid a piece coming in contact with the first line when transitioning to the second line. If/when a piece fouls in a scenario like that, it can ruin the transfer, making it necessary to lower with both lines, negating the whole point of the setup.
Mine too! There are three kinds of climbers I think. Those who like the climbing, those who like making the cuts and free falling stuff, amd those who like rigging.
Great job. thank you for all the explanations. Personally, I'd love to see the climbing and set up, not just the cutting. It's so helpful to watch the process of putting the rigging lines and blocks in place and to watch how you move around the trees.
I hear you there! I'll focus that when I get a tree that will make a good example. This weekend's video will focus specifically on block placement in the canopy. Might be worth watching if that's your area of interest.
Happy Easter! Great vid! I’ve done this technique several times before and it’s essential on some jobs! I’ll usually use a some sort of friction adding rigging point on the structure side, and a locked off portawrap on the side it’s transferring to and either me or the ground guy can transfer it to the other line.
Happy Easter! I can see how that would work nice. I really dislike running ropes in the tree, so I'm typically happy to just let the groundies do it. I've only done it with heavy wood a few times, but for most small stuff, I cam see how you could do it with a munter hitch or something cheaper than a second portawrap.
@@zaccheus thanks! Yep- having the guys on the ground do it is my preferred method too haha. One thing I like about having the friction point up in the tree on the side that I’m cutting in is the reduced forces on that side, and usually my far side rigging is set up pretty well and doesn’t see any negative forces. That’s that it’s necessary for every tree but something I’ve used a few times before to make the rigging ideal as possible 😄
Great video brother. Super helpful to show my new helpers some of what rigging we may be doing. Good for them to see it from the aerial climber perspective -- bc their job is so important to keep everything safe & undamaged. I know hindsight is always clearer, but would suggest you throw down some plywood or terrain mats on sidewalk & possibly lawn grass to avoid the dips created by heavy smashing wood
That's great! I'm glad to hear that you can use the video in that way. I've been trying to make some short and better focused videos for easy sharing recently. Gotta make that time in the truck count! Thays an excellent idea. I didn't suggest it to my client because the lawn really wasn't too soft, but in hindsight it would have been a little better for things.
Zach, nice job as usual. Just to show you nurseries when they grow trees will sell anything that tree should have had that limb pruned off 40 years ago with a hand pruner. As for the lamp post light, I always remove the lamp head where possible. Happy Easter
Yeah, even could have been planted in a different orientation 😅 That's an excellent thought. I think we looked into that but the whole thing was made with an old wooded porch pole and looked pretty fragile.
Yea, I have had to replace some of those old posts before. Employee drags a limb by a post like that, and it gets knocked over because it is totally rotten at the base of the post. From experience, I'll, at minimum, remove light fixture. I have, even in the past, built a wood structure around high-end targets below the work zone. Once again, you do great work.
Hey absolutely something to keep including as you see a correlation to the video..."Another tree facts with Zach". Don't know about anyone else but it would have been nice to see the ground person perspective when running/lowering at the portawrap. Great stuff buddy, as always.
Haha, I'll do my best to be on the lookout out for more tree facts 😂 Thats really good to know. Do you think a helmet cam would work well or more like a camera on a tripod?
probably a camera on a tripod. I say that because I would believe the ground person would be focused on the climber cutting, so their view would be "everywhere". Maybe try both just once to see what comes across best @@zaccheus
Nice rigging! Were you using 2 porta wraps? I’ve done something similar and run a Speedline to send it out and the portawrap to lower the load. I’ll lock the Speedline off and wrap it around something. I’ll keep this in mind for the next one over a house!
I'm about 6 months into a arb school in Sweden. Really like these types of videos :) We havn't done any rigging yet, mainly just climbing and handsaw pruning. What is the fastes way of getting the blue riggin rope back to the climber in this situation?
In this situation be tying it onto the green lowering line. In other situations either swinging it back to him if he can swing it or tying onto his climb line and he pulls it up or pulls it over to himself.
That's great, man! If I could do everything over again, I would definitely seek more formal education. Climbing and handsaw pruning is super underrated and is a great place to start. Seems like way too many folks just want to skip that stage of learning. Brandon hit it right on the head with his answer. We just tied the ropes together. The ultimate, end all solution that works for most scenarios, is to have the ground person tie it onto the climbing rope so the climber can pull it up. It's slow and tedious, but it works if nothing else does... most of the time 😅
Did you leave the yellow line in the red pulley and slide it down the trunk as you progressed Or did you take the rope out and re-install the pulley every time
The block is on an ultra sling so I have to take the rope out of the block. But the block opens and closes very easily so it's still faster than leaving the block on the rope and using a dead eye sling.
Hey, I've climbed in MN. Nice area for sure. Thanks! They used the lift to get some stuff over the road. I set all the rigging and got dead wood out wherever the lift could reach.
Happy Easter Bill! Yes it was! I went into buy some double braid because that is my favorite, but true blue was all they had. It does the job, just gotta be a little more gentle with it 😅
My biggest concern, looking at this through the phone screen, is rigging off of that long skinny stem overhanging the house, that your also tied into woth your strop. Were you not concerned about the whole stem falling on the house when dropping those limbs, or were the branches not really heavy enough to be a problem? I mean obviously they weren't because the stem didnt fail and there was no issue 😂 from my pov i wouldve been tempted to put a line on that stem locked off to make double sure it wouldnt fail. Top job, and great explination and direction, thank you!
I was thinking when you were in that top. Maybe you could do a video discussing how gaffs work when you are on the top side vs low side of an angled branch. The westcoast guys with their straight trees make it look too easy.
Thanks! No, this was just a contract climb like all of my tree work is these days. It was for a really good company that I really enjoy working for though.
Thank you, William! Happy Easter to you and yours as well! I don't know. I exchanged a couple messages with my on Instagram the other day. I hope everything is well with him. Maybe he had an emergency job late last night and is sleeping in today 🤷♂️
Yes it is. It's not my favorite. I like xstatic better, but blue moon is good for drt and srt which is why I got it. It has good hand, it just flattens pretty bad in mechanical devices.
I considered that. It might have worked and could have been faster. I use that technique when I can. The transfer system allows for more precision and allows us to lower the limb all the way over at one side if the system where traditional span rigging lowers in the center or slightly biased to the fixed side.
Well done. Nice technique. Also, that looks like an oak. Not sure when you filmed this but you can only prune those in the dormant season, late February being the latest or run the risk of it contracting oak wilt, especially if it's in the red oak family.
This was a little while ago. What's your source on oak wilt season? OSU say we can prune oak trees up until April 15th. I'm not comfortable going that late, so I never do.
@@zaccheus You are correct. Many institutions have through early April as the cutoff. With the mild winters becoming more common and spring arriving earlier due to climate change. that window in my opinion has shrunk . I'm going to a pruning workshop held by Penn State extension tomorrow and I will bring that topic up. I'll pass along any information I get regarding this to you.
@geekay4703 That's a fair thought! I haven't seen any bugs out yet and we still have frost in the forecast, so I didn't feel bad about trimming in March, but that's not using any real data. The last two winters have been a little more mild, but I don't think they're an accurate sample of what is to come 😅
If I was just going to buy one cheap rope just to keep a couple of Limbs from landing on my rotten garage roof what do you think I should do? I would only be up on a ladder not climbing in the tree I don't think and I don't have any other equipment other than you know my little chainsaws
Mmmm that sounds like it has the potential to be a rough situation. Lowering branches with a rope while on a ladder sounds like there might be a lot of potential for Thales limbs to swing and hit you or the ladder. Where are you located? I think you might have told me, but I'm ashamed to say that I can't remember.
@@zaccheus that's part of what I'm thinking and about going out on the limb a little bit the pole saw is very unwieldy because it bends all the time it's like 24 ft long but I might be able to rig up some kind of brace or something where I can sort of rest it on there and just go slowly .....I'm thinking🤔🤣
Nicely done only thing I would of done differently is maybe find a more permanent spot for the green rope so I would not of had to move it a bunch. But with out seeing the tree in person you probably couldnt find a good spot I bet!
I would agree, that works have been faster and easier. I some think there was much opportunity for it as I recall 🤔 but I also don't remember looking super hard 😅
@@zaccheus oh I know you get focused on the task and just wanna get right to work and just start moving thats like Friday I did a white oak and moved the rigging rope after one piece came down bc I didnt like how it worked I was like nope changing that!
@brandon-rustystreecare haha absolutely! I must admit that I end up putting some of my focus on the video when I'm filming. Certainly doesn't make anything easier 😅
@@zaccheus Thats why I am 50 50 with filming its just me and one guy most of the time so I dont wanna focus to much bc I cant find reliable help at all so I wanna get down and start helping my guy but on some jobs ill borrow one of my buddies guys to help
@brandon-rustystreecare yeah, for sure man. Unless the videos are making more than the work, sometimes you have to sacrifice the video to get the work done safely.
Thank you for your gentle approach to correction. I really appreciate that here in the comment section. I spoke correctly. Based primarily on my experience, wood is stronger in tension than compression. If you have access to literature that says otherwise, I would be happy to take a look at it. Experience isn't everything.
The build up is from sap flow moving up and down on the outside of the tree ...was always how I thought of it. That is why a lower branding tree tends to be shorter and/or rounder in the canopy... Like with a shorter round variety of Red maple sometimes being quite short in the middle and maybe dieing out a bit up in the tip middle, because the sap doesn't flow around all of the limbs up the inside of the tree as well as it does ti the outside limbs.😮😅🤔🙄👍
@marklam8548 I think you're on to something there. The sap wood does flow the most sap which is why it's called the sap wood. There are a bunch of different reasons why trees put wood where they do and grow in the shapes that they do. "The body language of trees" is a really great book to read on the matter.
@dgregory2238 Fair thought! In the right situation, I'd just let them swing too. What was real apparent is that there were powerlines over the tree lawn and ornamental trees in the tree lawn that we didn't want stuff swinging into. Also, having that green rope on there helps keep stuff a little higher as the weight transfers over to the main rope or blue rope in this situation. I hate dragging on shingles and I'll do a lot to avoid it. If I can 😅
Lol, absolutely not. I wish it was that easy. I had the GRCS in the truck but left it there. That would not have been a safe approach. In theory and principle it works and I've definitely done it with some big leads, but this would have been outside of SWL and there wasn't an appropriate rigging point that could handle that load. I do like the v9lsness of you suggestion though. Don't shy from that 😂
