How To SAFELY Share Power To Multiple Pedals

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Episode 45: How To SAFELY Share Power To Multiple Pedals
00:00 - Welcome to Tone Town
02:30 - Rules of thumb for sharing power
06:20 - Don't rush your pedalboard power planning
10:46 - Daisy chaining nightmares
14:30 - How to test if your pedals are good daisy chaining candidates
14:50 - You need this tool to pick the pedals pedals for a daisy chain
20:52 - Current doubling (paralleling) for Neural Quad Cortex, HX Stomp, HX Effects, etc.
24:00 - Paralleling Power (daisy chain) versus Series Power (voltage doubler)
29:00 - Cioks Crux is a lifesaver!
30:00 - Understanding expansion supplies (Strymon Ojai, Cioks 4, Voodoo Lab x4, etc.)
41:00 - Daisy Chaining Gone Wild: Spring Break (Cabo San Lucas)
42:27 - No Russian Power or No Rushing Power?
42:50 - Is there a sound difference when sharing power?
47:11 - The 4th Chairman arrives!
48:05 - Making your own power cables
50:00 - Summary of our conversation today
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@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

@charlesb7831 Год назад

I just went to the Cioks DC7 and 8, just to eliminate all the issues. I use 1 pedal per port. One of the biggest things I noticed switching to the Cioks was how the noise floor dropped alot just switching to Cioks.

@Amish_Trivedi Год назад

They've got some splitters in there, so I am just running a 7 with five pedals easily chained (some of my drives + Dyna comp and another for two of my modulation pedals). That said- agreed Cioks is the way to go for all that.

@eddiekalista3222 Год назад

I'll admit that I'm vastly under-utilizing my power. I have the Cioks DC7 and the 8 expansion. I'm using 10 of the 15 spots, each being used as 1 unit per plug. One of them is powering LED strips under my board. I know I could condense down to the 7. But I had the budget, and I'm 1000% future proof for power. As I add pedals to my board, and swap out for pedals that have higher power needs, I know that I have nothing to worry about for a long time.

@coastercook 3 месяца назад

Good discussion on power supply. Thanks

@andywilhelm5831 Год назад

Great topic!

@sqlb3rn Год назад

I used to daisy chain pedal power, until I started getting Spanish radio broadcast thru my amp.

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Could be cool!?

@sqlb3rn Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc it was cool at first until I realized it wasn't going to stop 😹

@waynegram8907 Год назад

VERTEX, When using cheap switching power supplies or switching power supplies in general they are using a chopper circuit which the high frequency switching frequency will pass through the power supply making it to the output port of the power supply which gets into the guitar pedal which overdrive, booster, distortion pedals will amplify this switching frequency plus the switching frequency will have harmonics. These harmonics will backfeed through all the guitar pedals downstream and upstream that are connected to the power supply ports. With daisy chain power supplies you have to "full load" connect all the ports because if you leave unused ports on a daisy chain the switching frequency harmonics gets worse so you have to use a dummy guitar pedals to just LOAD down the unused ports to put a load on the daisy chain power supplies to fix this problem. I have seen unused daisy chain ports have "termination resistors" soldered from tip to sleeve to put a LOAD to reduce the switching frequency/harmonics. It would be nice if you make a video lesson trying various daisy chain power supplies and connecting digital pedals with overdrive , distortion pedals because this is the real test. Digital pedals that use VGA, DSP, CPU, LFO to Clock circuits, etc doesn't mix well with overdrive and distortion pedals with daisy chain power supplies, but EE designers will know how to fix this problem besides using isolation transformers for each power supply port. This problem can be fix without using power supplies that have isolation transformers for each port.

@danmorrison8746 Год назад

"...you are a pervert." I laughed so hard omg.

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Ha!

@6minus3minus2 Год назад

I run 7 pedals off an Eventide PowerMini (made by Cioks). Zero issues and thankfully Cioks has cables to power 2 and 3 pedals off one output.

@GtrPknMama Год назад

Good points fellas😎👍🎵 Awwww cutie pie in tha house!😎👍

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Thanks for watching Janice!

@tiasaadimagistra Год назад

Hello sir ! Glad to find your YT channel.. If you don’t mind, I want to ask a few things. I just got my Neural DSP Quad Cortex, and recently I have my Eventide Power Factor 2. I’ve seen many post about how to turn on QC with cioks DC7. Can the same thing be done using Eventide Power Factor 2? I’ve seen the way is powering in parallel using 4 output ports @500mA 12V. In Eventide Power Factor 2, I think I have to use 6 ports to get a total of 2A. What do you think sir? your answer will save my life, so thank you very much ✌️✌️

@kylefuqua2778 Год назад

I listened to a lot of this and this is great content! Do you see any issues with combining a compressor pedal with another low output analog pedal?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

As long as analog stays with analog and they're low current and no clocks, you should be ok.

@_maucordero 2 месяца назад

I use one daisy chain for analog pedals (Overdrive, booster, analog chorus) and other daisy chain for digital pedals (delay tc2290p and reverb).

@robb0178 Год назад

Thanks for sharing your knowledge gentlemen. Any thoughts on the Pedal Snake system?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Is that a brand? Pedal Snake?

@robb0178 Год назад

Yes it’s a brand what they offer in simple terms is a loom that can carry audio, low voltage power and midi all through the same loom customisable to some extent to individual requirements. The interesting part I guess is the way they do the power and use of daisy chains, off board power supplies or if a eg Strymon is used the power from the units wall wort goes through the loom. It’s a really tidy look how well it really works I guess is up in the air.

@Amish_Trivedi Год назад

Mason, you keep hinting at the issues with making Cioks cables- you should do a video making them!

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

I think anything over $600 gets reported whether it's a straight sale or a gift card. You still don't pay the seller fee which would be in addition to that.

@Amish_Trivedi Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I think this was an answer to a question about Reverb? Mine's about Cioks cables :)

@Drtydeeds Год назад

Almost every pedal on my board has a clock - so I have to use a CS-12 and CS-6 on top of it to give everyone power. Is there a safe way to essentially make a split IEC power cord for both PSUs? I'd like to just have a single power cable to plug in.

@Vicente7x 8 месяцев назад

Can you daisy chain several isolated power outputs on a single power brick to triple the current for a single 1300mA pedal. Recently bought the digitech whammy and would like to include it in my board.

@martingregory5955 7 месяцев назад

Is an acoustic simulator ok for daisy chaining? Would this act as a drive in this respect? I have a power supply with 8 ourlets but getting another two being a rat and flanger. I was thinking the flanger should take one and the the BD2 to chain to the acoustic pedal and rat

@gregpepper6053 Год назад

So timely, just picked up a pair of TruTome C7 power supplies and trying to tun the MC 5 cable off it to feed and the pedals off of it don’t power up correctly. Time for a phone consult with goodwood!

@phililpb Год назад

But I connected a row of pedals together with patch leads. Then I put my multi meter on the center pin of the power input sockets and found they were connected (as the power center pin is grounded to the sleave of the signal sockets) . so my question is even if the power supply outputs are isolated once you connected them to pedals are they really still isolated or are they now connected via the pedals

@chrisb3976 6 дней назад

Since the Cioks dc7 has the onboard meter that lets you know information that you need to see why still install it under the board where you cant see it unless you have to lift up the board.

@Drtydeeds Год назад

Does a reverb pedal with a decay setting mean it has a clock? I assume “clock” means anything that with a parameter that is time based, but I just wanted to ask in case y’all get around to answering me.

@jeremystephens6048 Год назад

I’ve noticed that analog pedals with digital control features can have noise when daisy chained.

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Yes...digital (in any form) is normally a no-go when it comes to sharing, also their current needs tend to be quite high.

@MJsap13 8 месяцев назад

I ran out of slots on my voodoo lab x8. What should I do to add more pedals to my rig?

@BowTieSam 11 месяцев назад

Would the Jackson audio GB and BA be okay to share power on Zuma??

@jbradleysao 6 месяцев назад

Watching this video has made me realize my polytune mini is likely the source of my noise issue. What is a good alternative? Needs to be mini with side mounted jacks, buffer, and mute capability. Thanks in advance!

@rdvgrd6 Месяц назад

Isolate it .

@BorisDR13 Год назад

So boosts, overdrives and distortions make good daisy chain candidates if analog. But what are your thoughts on daisy chaining a buffer together with another pedal. Got me a Cioks DC7 so milli amps enough to power anything, but running short one port to power a buffer at the end of my pedal chain…

@BorisDR13 Год назад

Aha, 44:41 just found my answer. Asked the question to early. Thanks for these pedalboard basics!! 🙏

@oneszeros1 Год назад

Who doesn't have 15 wah and 15 fuzz pedals on a single daisy Grant 🤣 Cheers Chairmen👍

@squirelova1815 Год назад

I keep my Fuzz count to only 12...just a Superstition of mine.

@oneszeros1 Год назад

@squirelova1815 You can add more safely. Just make sure to power down and add 2 more, thereby avoiding the unlucky I only have 13 fuzz pedals scenario 😁

@agriff4795 Год назад

All of my low current pedals, fuzz, boost, distortion, wah I power with a cheap carbon/zinc battery. In my experience, they sound better on battery power, then I save my ISO-5 power supply for the high current, non battery powered or 18 volt pedals.

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Depends on the pedal, we have a criteria we list on our video about out battery power supply (which takes carbon batteries) so you understand when it's actually doing something, or nothing. Many newer pedals have power supply caps on the DC input that carbon batteries or a high source impedance and current limited won't do anything because the pedal is designed to normalize irregularities in the power. Older pedals don't have this, or you can clip the power supply cap and then you have way more variability between supplies vs. batteries. Most pedals now won't have sensitivities to batteries like vintage pedals would.

@dude_crush_ Год назад

Would the TC Bonafide buffer be a good candidate to be powered by the Polytune 3?

@phunkyjunkee 7 месяцев назад

The Polytune 3 has a bonafide buffer built into it.

@sqlb3rn Год назад

I use CS12 for pedal power and everything plugs into a Furman voltage regulator

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

CS12 is great, the True Tone One Spot wall wart is the one that's a problem.

@TehSyneS Год назад

I wish I could get rid of the clock ticking sound in my Marshall Regenerator. So annoying, its such a great pedal but its unusable. I have the same issue with a Marshall amp when I use the built in chorus and the line out for recording. Such a great chorus but its unusable in that setting.

@heinz1218 Год назад

FYI the Mono code isn’t working Thx for the video very helpful!

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Double check it now - we just notified them and they said that they’ve fixed any issues

@roelhernandez2636 4 месяца назад

I’ve had nothing but bad luck with one spot power supply’s and daisy chaining. Boss PSAs not so much.

@scottgibbs5903 Год назад

If I use a switcher, do a lot of these issues go away?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

No, power issues will be issues no matter what if not properly dealt with, switcher or not!

@Johnnybananass-_ 8 месяцев назад

Or it could be a young player with pocket money or a afterschool job, I work with kids and I see a lot with a few pedals super excited to be exploring their tone journey but can't afford the money for a power supply so they have a bunch of daisy chains,

@MattD86 Год назад

1:22 lol wtf I literally have a Zuma and 12 pedals and was looking into the voodoo labs output splitter since the Zuma has such high 500mA current available in each output