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How to Screed for a Paver Patio | Tips from a Professional 

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@tomm8357
@tomm8357 День назад
I had a hardscaper who is going to install a techco-bloc paver patio, 16x16. He said he uses a laser not screed rails. I am highly suspect....should I be?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper День назад
i know really great installers that just do it by eye. tough to say until you see how they do. i just use any tool i can to make my job easier
@sabaanwar9320
@sabaanwar9320 12 дней назад
Thanks for uploading...great learning opportunity
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 11 дней назад
Glad it helps
@lgrnacho1
@lgrnacho1 Год назад
This video shows why some people get nothing done.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
👍👍
@mateostabio
@mateostabio 5 месяцев назад
Just wanna say your videos helped me so much for my own projects and videos last summer and this summer. I can’t believe I just now get this method with the string line measurement to the screed rails. I should have done that! Lol. Second time watching this. I appreciate the details
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 5 месяцев назад
I’m glad the videos help!
@steven-tv2fe
@steven-tv2fe 2 года назад
Thx for your videos and podcast, I see allot of zip level uses in America. Is there a reason you don't use a laser?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 года назад
For larger projects I’d use a laser. I just find for something like this it’s easy to just use the zip level.
@michaelpride2604
@michaelpride2604 2 месяца назад
I’m just a noob over here in 2024! Learned a lot and starting my first job ever and using this a guide. Thanks for making this video.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 месяца назад
Glad it helps! Tons more videos on all the steps in the process on the channel, let me know how I can help 👍
@danc952
@danc952 4 месяца назад
Hi there! Thanks for the helpful video. Quick questions… 1). Could you use hpb for the entire screening base right down to the sub soil? 8-10” 2) if so, would you compact the hpb before laying the pavers? 3). How do you compact on top of the pavers once laid without risking breaking the pavers? Working with 1.25” granite slabs 2x3 ft Thanks
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
1) I wouldn’t. It is only meant to be a screed layer. But I know guys that do for pedestrian traffic projects. 2) I wouldn’t do it. 3) I would definitely use a paver roller for slabs that size. Other compactors will definitely crack those slabs. Paver Roller Compactor Review ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CK1VFL--z9k.html
@danc952
@danc952 4 месяца назад
Thanks so much I appreciate the quick reply! Any idea where I might rent a ‘paver roller compactor’ in Toronto? In exploring online I’m only finding the plate compactors
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
Ohh that’s a great question. I would call local rental companies or reach out directly to MQuip. They might rent. You can also contact Weber and Bartell Global and see if they have rental shops nearby for their rollers
@jorgehome1727
@jorgehome1727 2 года назад
You screeded the area but you didn't compensate for the compaction of the concrete sand of a quarter inch per every 1 inch ????? Why not ?????this must mean your patio will be at least 1 inch lower as it looks like you using 2 inches of concrete sand .....
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 года назад
Just an inch of sand. And if you look at the tape measure it takes into factor that. Just for explanation purposes I say 1 inch bedding layer + 1 inch slab because it is easier to comprehend for a beginner. Then I explain the 1/4” additional. 👍
@LFCadore
@LFCadore 2 года назад
Another excellent video! How do you recommend the finishing to be done around the perimeter. Will you just install edging and trim the excess woven fabric and cover the exposed base next the pavers area with top soil? Or will you somehow try to wrap the fabric under the edging to reduce mixing/percolation of the topsoil into the base material? Any suggestions/recommendations?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 года назад
Here we cut back the fabric and installed topsoil on the exposed base. Typically I try to wrap the fabric toward the edge restraint and then install topsoil on top. But that’s easier to do when you are working with a nonwoven geotextile and pavers which are thicker than these 1” slabs.
@LFCadore
@LFCadore 2 года назад
I appreciate your detailed answer. Thanks!
@colterthompson6846
@colterthompson6846 Год назад
Thank you for this video, I learned a lot and hope to use it in an upcoming project.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Thank you for watching and commenting! Hope it helps
@TheRjpiper
@TheRjpiper 4 месяца назад
It really did help. I've been out of hardscape for 15yrs, now been asked to do it again. Nice to know I won't look stupid doing it like the old trimmers schooled me 40 years ago. Here, I am just using a string line and a level
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
haha glad it helped!
@TheRjpiper
@TheRjpiper 4 месяца назад
In my 30s I realized softscape was way less back breaking work. We didn't have buggies. Ground floor was ( Brick Boy ) carry brick into the backyard all day.​@iamahardscaper
@TheRjpiper
@TheRjpiper 4 месяца назад
​@@iamahardscaperwe lost our stone guy at the end of last year.l helped finish off the project, No more shaddy lake front homes to maintain 😢
@BUSYGrafting
@BUSYGrafting 2 месяца назад
Do you’s not whack the sand then put the screed poles in and screed after whack
@laureljensen796
@laureljensen796 9 месяцев назад
Im doing 2 by 4 bluestone should I use one inch of sand like you did here or 2 inches like I read also is sand the way to go or stone dust? Its a 10 by 22 patio next to a pool so it would save quite a bit of material? I would appreciate your help? Im in CT. Great video.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 9 месяцев назад
I'd always opt for sand over stone dust. For a bedding layer I'd prefer not to go over 1.5 inches.
@igorisziuganovas4306
@igorisziuganovas4306 7 месяцев назад
We also compact the bedding before screeding it and only then fit pipes/flat strips on it, leveling it with the line by digging in two pieces of flat metal as beacons at the beginning and the end of each future strip. then we put the strip's edge on the beacons and screed off some place to put it perfectly alligned and so on. Any thoughts?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 7 месяцев назад
Interesting. We don't like to compact the bedding layer because it is just 1" and the compaction is minimal especially when using HPB (not concrete sand), but also because when we compact the pavers we want that bedding layer to work its way up into the bottom of the joints. You wont get that same movement if it is compacted.
@igorisziuganovas4306
@igorisziuganovas4306 7 месяцев назад
the video regards that topic would be very interesting!@rdscaper
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 7 месяцев назад
In our full length we how to install pavers video we cover that, along with a couple other videos. But I could definitely make a full video on that this season
@ragingrevenge1
@ragingrevenge1 4 месяца назад
A laser is way faster. Set your strings to your marked stakes. Pull your numbers from the string.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
Yup
@RubenPacheco-mr5pr
@RubenPacheco-mr5pr 4 месяца назад
Hey buddy.quick question.do u tamp your pavers at the very end?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
I tamp them after sweeping in the polymeric sand with a protective pad or using a roller tamper
@korster
@korster Год назад
1/4" per foot seems heavy in person. Is 1/2-5/8" per 4ft not acceptable?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
I wouldn't go less than 1/8" per foot slope. So yes what you put there is acceptable.
@leafinitup1
@leafinitup1 Год назад
Thanks for this. What’s the determining factor in using mason sand versus quarter inch gravel as a setting bed? Additionally, do you compact the setting bed before laying pavers? Thx
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
This patio was going to be laid tight. So using concrete sand allows it to come from the bottom up through the joint to meet the jointing compound. 1/4” chip doesn’t work well for tight joints.
@tillmansr2002
@tillmansr2002 10 месяцев назад
What are used for screed rails? Is the bedding layer 1 inch? If so a 1” pipe would be too large, correct?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 10 месяцев назад
3/4" steel gas pipes. outside diameter is 1" though. they work great
@jasonrego2836
@jasonrego2836 5 месяцев назад
Such a lame way just use the level why waste the time putting the pipes for ppl who don’t know how to level
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 5 месяцев назад
why use a level if you don't know how to use a level
@derekgolba4442
@derekgolba4442 4 месяца назад
Can I place a 6 man hot tub on pavers if I have 1” of screeding and 6” of 3/4 gravel underneath?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
No it should be placed on a poured concrete pad
@derekgolba4442
@derekgolba4442 4 месяца назад
@@iamahardscaper Thanks for the quick response! I appreciate it.
@tannerhall5524
@tannerhall5524 3 месяца назад
What you you tie the line to in the corners? Are those the same pipes you use to screed?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 3 месяца назад
no they are just concrete spikes
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor Год назад
very very, very well explained
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Thank you!
@chrisspence3216
@chrisspence3216 Год назад
Ara ya Gonna compact the sand layer ? Looked as if the base layer wasn’t that’s level ?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Compacted once the slabs are laid
@ttbyakuyatt
@ttbyakuyatt 3 месяца назад
After screeding how do you access to lay the 1st stone?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 3 месяца назад
If it is tight, just screed a small portion and then lay. Then go back to screeding the next portion and so on until you get to a point where you can screed a larger area with access
@ttbyakuyatt
@ttbyakuyatt 3 месяца назад
@@iamahardscaper also one more question, why do we have to slope both way? Can we slope it only one way, and it is sloping away from the house?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 3 месяца назад
Yup, in this example I just sloped it both ways to match the grade better.
@ttbyakuyatt
@ttbyakuyatt 3 месяца назад
@@iamahardscaper can you also share on how to build a staircase. I see you got the Timelapse but no indetailz
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 3 месяца назад
I will add that to a list of videos to make, but in the meantime here are two videos that touch on it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f5HD0s9c7Vk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6728Jun3JQY.html
@donray2435
@donray2435 2 года назад
Boom goes the dynamite
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 года назад
💥
@shanelester1427
@shanelester1427 6 месяцев назад
If you need to prop a screed pole up to achieve grade/slope, I guess that just means you need to add more base material, correct? Otherwise you'd have more than 1" of bedding material? Ideally you should always be hammering the screed pole down to set final grade/slope, right?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 6 месяцев назад
Yup true. whether hammering down or propping up, it should be fairly consistent. No more than 1.5" for the screed layer.
@shanelester1427
@shanelester1427 6 месяцев назад
@@iamahardscaper thank you your videos are extremely helpful
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 6 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoy them 👍
@brianpoe9860
@brianpoe9860 Год назад
How did you establish grade for compacted gravel? It looked like it had alot of variation. Also, this is a good vid for beginners but can you do one that is more complicated? I do many than have twists in the grade or curves including multiple shapes. Well done tho! Any thoughts to using open grade material? I hear that is the new thing.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
The same way, the variation was topped up with and compacted. Maybe should have spent more time in doing so. But a laser works best. I have a video coming out today that will somewhat deal with what you are talking about with multiple slopes, but I will definitely make a video to get into that deeper. Love open graded base. I definitely prefer it. That or synthetic base.
@PATOJO514
@PATOJO514 6 месяцев назад
Hi what is the Brand of the level system?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 6 месяцев назад
This one is called the ULevel, but it is the same as the Smart Level
@JH-tc3yu
@JH-tc3yu Год назад
Nice work. Gas pipes would have been nice vs PVC I used, which follow waves in a patio base. Took a ton of work to get my compacted base super flat and perfectly graded. I also noticed that the larger your patio is, it gets way way harder. Every transition between one 10x10 section where I was screening had slight unevenness, so I ended up using more screed pipes to cover my patio base in a screeding grid, but that made moving sand around difficult etc etc. Everything was a series of tradeoffs. It's way harder than it looks! I also found the Klein digital level amazing, I could set it on a piece of straight 3" PVC or whatever I had, to ascertain grade over longer distances. My patio was about 30x20.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Definitely some challenges along the way with any project
@ncurc9766
@ncurc9766 Год назад
I agree, i used pvc on a long straight walkway. At certain angles, you can see the waves in it, and it drives me nuts, I'm doing a patio now ill definitely be using galvanized tubing
@ryannelson2215
@ryannelson2215 Год назад
Seems like you made this more complicated than it needed to be
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Or very detailed with the steps for those new to it 👍
@nathanwhiley3177
@nathanwhiley3177 Год назад
You need to get yourself a rotary laser level you’ll save yourself time
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
I’ve got one. Used string lines on this for some videos we are putting together
@ttbyakuyatt
@ttbyakuyatt 3 месяца назад
Do you need to stamp the screeded area?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 3 месяца назад
nope, that comes when compacting the pavers into the bedding layer with jointing compound
@BURTONSELEVEN
@BURTONSELEVEN Год назад
Why are some patios cemented down and some placed like this? Whats the difference and how do i determine what my garden would need? Thanks in advance
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Difference in installer preference and the application. Here is a video we made on that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zn8eODTY-QI.html
@BURTONSELEVEN
@BURTONSELEVEN Год назад
@@iamahardscaper thanks for your speedy reply will give a watch and a thumbs up on both vids
@locust334
@locust334 Год назад
I could probably free hand that with a level. Whatever works though, we do things a bit differently in Australia. Interesting to see different methods, I have a screed coming up that is similar to that
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Some people do that here as well. I'm not good enough to eye it free hand
@locust334
@locust334 Год назад
@@iamahardscaper Your work is amazing!! and your channel too, I always want to learn more same as you. Free handing is a lot of fun. I got good at that from doing a lot of small fix ups. It can be super helpful for certain situations and although I could free hand a pad like that. It would still be quicker with the rails. I really admire your passion for your craft bud. Awesome work
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Really appreciate that!
@camouflagesounds
@camouflagesounds Год назад
all that drama? just use a grade level
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
This worked 👍
@thefamousdjx
@thefamousdjx 7 месяцев назад
Im sure you can just eyeball it too, who needs a level…
@sharky_spike
@sharky_spike 9 месяцев назад
but u can do 1/8 inch per foot
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 9 месяцев назад
For sure 👍
@krispineda4888
@krispineda4888 Год назад
What’s the diff in using regular sand u get at Lowe’s vs concrete sand?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
If it is just regular play sand, it will not be as good for drainage. The fines will suspend and block water flow through eventually
@Klistern2
@Klistern2 Год назад
You dont really want water draining through pavers, thats why you fall the pavers to a drain... water under pavers will ruin the job in no time. Most paving contractors on small jobs like use poly sand which inhibits drainage anyway. Water should flow off pavers into a drain (strip drain, pit etc) at all times.
@brad2548
@brad2548 11 месяцев назад
Did you place pavers directly onto the sand or use paver base panels
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 11 месяцев назад
This was a traditional base and we actually had to dig to about 24” because of a tree stump. So we did not use the base panels
@brad2548
@brad2548 11 месяцев назад
@@iamahardscaper thank you
@jesusdiaz5485
@jesusdiaz5485 Год назад
How did you get the base below the bedding sand to be perfectly grade and level?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
If your using string lines, measure down from them throughout in various spots. If you have a laser level or altimeter you can use them to measure areas and top them up or rake them down.
@smthngsmthngsmthngdarkside
@smthngsmthngsmthngdarkside Год назад
You don't. Just get it roughly level. Then obsess over the level and flatness of your sand
@zavugaderek3306
@zavugaderek3306 Год назад
Perfect though time consuming
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Perfection takes time
@samueladams584
@samueladams584 Год назад
3/8 " is hard to find here in Florida.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Yeah I’ve heard that it is
@radchander
@radchander Год назад
How you do things and your narrative are so good. Such a valuable talent you have. Thank you s much for the videos.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
I appreciate that! Thank you
@yussuphyonamwiwindi7111
@yussuphyonamwiwindi7111 Год назад
Ilove it a lot and want to lean more about it
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Thank you!
@kelleyolvey1275
@kelleyolvey1275 Год назад
Is concrete a good base?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
It is an additional step, but I know a few contractors that use concrete as the base. You’d have to be a good concrete installer plus a good interlock installer and have drain holes in the concrete with proper overlay install practices.
@efrainvalle6573
@efrainvalle6573 Год назад
I am lost....
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
What can I help with 👍
@00wolf9
@00wolf9 Год назад
Screed the top base layer too👍
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
🙌🙌
@HawthorneLandscapingNW
@HawthorneLandscapingNW Год назад
👍
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
👍
@landscaping3112
@landscaping3112 Год назад
Thank you for your video
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Thank you!
@dhivendrannaicker6303
@dhivendrannaicker6303 Год назад
nicely done buddy, love the video!
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Thank you!
@Lurker_Emerges_and_Says
@Lurker_Emerges_and_Says 9 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 9 месяцев назад
👍👍
@uppner147
@uppner147 Год назад
Thanks!
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
👍👍
@equilibrium777m5
@equilibrium777m5 2 месяца назад
Молодец!👍
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 месяца назад
👍
@kieranhart5776
@kieranhart5776 Год назад
For a paver/interocking base Don’t use limestone screenings or any granular with sand in it. You will need to tamp it and it will still settle no matter how much you pack it. Use a quarter inch clear stone called at the quarry (1/4 chip) or at landscape supply yards called HPB (high performance base) or pipe bedding etc. it has many names as Dufferin owns the rights to the original product name)
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Yes that is a great alternative. But only for a bedding layer. You’d need a 3/4” angular crushed clean stone under that for the base.
@ColinMacIver
@ColinMacIver Год назад
@@iamahardscaper I guess he didni't listen to you in the video...
@ruck27
@ruck27 Год назад
In my opinion, using “A gravel” for your base and wetting it before you tamp it is the best base.
@jaredtweed7826
@jaredtweed7826 10 месяцев назад
Why did the fact that you were laying the pavers tight, and using 3/4 minus gravel, prevent you from using 1/4" chip stone? Why is it not optimal to mix the base of a traditional base with the bedding of an open graded base, and vice versa?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 10 месяцев назад
When laying tight or pavers with tight joints I typically like to use concrete sand as my bedding layer because it is fine enough to move up through the joint which provides interlock. 1/4” chip is too large. This video explains further: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eq0kQUSS__Y.html I would use a 1/4” chip on top of a dense graded base. But in this case the product dictated concrete sand as a bedding layer and you can’t use an open graded base material with that.
@jaredtweed7826
@jaredtweed7826 10 месяцев назад
@@iamahardscaper Thank you, that makes sense now. I have often done rock dust on top of 3/4" clear. Do you know if sand would work in place of rock dust here, or do you think it would sink in?
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 10 месяцев назад
rock dust being like stone dust / screenings? 1/4" chip down to fines? I think over time any sand / fines will migrate into the 3/4" whether through water being introduced to the system or traffic on top.
@jaredtweed7826
@jaredtweed7826 10 месяцев назад
@@iamahardscaper Thank you, that makes sense. I appreciate your insight!
@TheRjpiper
@TheRjpiper 4 месяца назад
Love all the DIY thinking their ready for this. Enjoy just the digging will make you question your decision
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 4 месяца назад
Yeah the digging is the first thing that will have people questioning
@haydeneverett1990
@haydeneverett1990 2 года назад
Thanks Mike for the great video, very few videos on RU-vid talking about screeding in depth, most just gloss over the specifics. Next time try wearing a Hawaiian shirt and running shoes for a more professional look.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper 2 года назад
I’ll try to sneak in some flip flops in a future video 👍👍
@jimcarroll5283
@jimcarroll5283 Год назад
You a damn Hardscaping Wizard Man !!!!! Thamis
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
👍👍🙏
@RuneOsnes
@RuneOsnes Год назад
Very good information, but a bit hard to watch. The erratic videography makes me a bit sick. Some calmer movements and less handheld would make this excellent. 👍
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
Appreciate the feedback!
@Klistern2
@Klistern2 Год назад
For this method your base needs to be PERFECT. Make a base, then put 20mm crushed blue metal on it. use a screed with a spirit level in it to get your heights. Lay metal strips in the lines and screed away. Why do people do this shit so much harder than need be? The round pipes just leave big holes that you need to fix later cost you time.
@iamahardscaper
@iamahardscaper Год назад
I’d need to see a video of how you’re doing it
@vbl20012k7
@vbl20012k7 Год назад
You’d better post a video showing how you to lay metal strips and screed. I’m very happy to learn it.
@thefamousdjx
@thefamousdjx 7 месяцев назад
He’s talking about not using the pipes and just screeding away by constantly checking the level paying even more attention that as you move the level you not taking too much sand away. No way can that be faster. Using the pipes means you simply level them then no need to worry about anything else. I know people feel smarter when they say they did it without mucking around with pipes but each to his own. Its like looking down on people using laser levels just because you usually do with a normal ones.
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