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How to Shape the Mainsail for Beating 

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@ErikB605
@ErikB605 4 года назад
This has to be the video with the best information to time ratio on the topic.
@JP-qz9uz
@JP-qz9uz 7 лет назад
Short and sweet and lot of quality material, Capt. John I tip my hat to you sir..
@wildcoastadventures7535
@wildcoastadventures7535 2 года назад
Short, Sharp and concise. Excellent video with no waffle. Even I understand now too. Your diagram helped heaps. Thank You.
@skippertips
@skippertips 2 года назад
Thanks for your comments.
@erents1
@erents1 Год назад
Awesome, now I get it. It only took me twenty summers of sailing and the time it took to watch this one short video. Thanks!
@skippertips
@skippertips Год назад
Thanks for your note.
@rbarnesy
@rbarnesy 11 лет назад
Great explanation as usual. I will add that in very heavy winds I would again move the traveler all the way to windward and lighten the main-sheet. This is to twist the main so much as to spill more wind off the top and reduce healing.
@douglaslin5469
@douglaslin5469 2 года назад
Hi, thanks for that explanation. Having the traveller to leeward reduces twist. The boom vang can also be used to reduce twist by pulling it on.
@johnstarkie9948
@johnstarkie9948 2 месяца назад
Healing is good. Heeling is less good.
@Bernster3040
@Bernster3040 11 лет назад
Really liked the explanation, easy to follow and understand. Enjoy your video series very much!
@dulcamarabuffo
@dulcamarabuffo 5 лет назад
Concise and informative. Thanks
@skippertips
@skippertips 5 лет назад
Thanks for your note.
@cete6167
@cete6167 11 месяцев назад
very good to unstand ! Thnx !
@skippertips
@skippertips 11 месяцев назад
Glad it helped!
@cameronpierce9426
@cameronpierce9426 7 лет назад
This is fascinating to me--and perhaps I've been doing it all wrong. In Lasers, we always tighten the traveller to point, especially in high winds. However, this is obviously a different phenomenon than the traveller track settings, like the Johnson 18 I sometimes race. Whereas I've always assumed that pulling the traveller car as high (close to me) as possible improves pointing angles in all winds, this video suggests otherwise. Are there any practical indicators on the boat as to when to place the traveller in these three positions? What are your recommendations for traveller settings in reaching & running? cheers,
@skippertips
@skippertips 7 лет назад
Cameron, no set specifics on traveler settings. Indeed, all boats will be unique. These are pretty basic settings for cruising. Moderate winds amidships; super light air, set the car a few holes upwind, but check the uppermost batten to ensure it stays parallel or slightly open. This will help the light winds exit the leech without turbulence. In high winds, you really need to have the traveler downwind to open up the angle of attack and depower the rig. For reaching or running, same traveler settings apply. As soon as the end of the boom gets out over the water (close reaching or deeper), the traveler loses effectiveness (unless it's a mid-boom traveler). Set the boom vang with moderate tension to keep the boom horizontal and the leech under control.
@davidsomers3324
@davidsomers3324 4 года назад
short and sweet, thanks. However i do not understand your comment in case #1 wherein the top batten is parallel to the boom is an indication of "proper twist", would parallel indicate no twist?
@skippertips
@skippertips 4 года назад
David, take a look at this photo: www.skippertips.com/Top-Batten-Parallel-to-Boom.jpg This mainsail has nice twist, and all of the leech telltales are flying, which means we have good sail trim. The end of the upper batten (these are full-length battens, so concentrate on that part near the leech) is almost parallel to the boom.
@jaybee324
@jaybee324 9 месяцев назад
cheers 👍🏻
@jacobday4362
@jacobday4362 6 лет назад
That was awesome!!!!
@skippertips
@skippertips 6 лет назад
Jacob, thanks for your comment!
@Kate-ir4qo
@Kate-ir4qo 4 года назад
Hi, I'm doing a project in school for a wind-powered car and I'm looking at different types of sail for it. I was wondering what angle is that twist? And which side faces the wind, the angled side or the other side?
@skippertips
@skippertips 4 года назад
Kate, in all three illustrations, you are looking at the windward side of the sail, which faces the wind.
@Kate-ir4qo
@Kate-ir4qo 4 года назад
@@skippertips ok thank you. And what angle is the twist?
@skippertips
@skippertips 4 года назад
Kate, there is no specific angle, it's all done by eye and the feel of the helm. The sailor uses the helm (wheel or tiller) to tell if the adjustment produced the desired outcome. When you twist the mainsail, you want the helm to remain light (so you do not have to fight the wheel or tiller to keep the boat on course) and the boat to sail with less heel. Less heel provides a faster boat and more comfort for the crew.
@Kate-ir4qo
@Kate-ir4qo 4 года назад
@@skippertips Ok thank you so much!
@tobyque9399
@tobyque9399 7 лет назад
But why not use the boom vang upwind to control the twist while the mainsheet controls angle?
@skippertips
@skippertips 7 лет назад
The mainsheet trims the leech as long as the boom stays over the boat. When the end of the boom moves to the edge of the boat (i.e. on a close reach), you start to lose downward pull on the leech. Set the vang and keep it set on reaches and on runs. Otherwise the boom will lift and the leech will twist too much.
@tobyque9399
@tobyque9399 7 лет назад
Captain John's Skipper Tips I finally understand. But one last question With the correct setting of the traveller and mainsheet on a given condition, do you ease the mainsheet or move the traveller when you have to change angle of attack in the sail?
@skippertips
@skippertips 7 лет назад
Ease the traveler car first. That way, the leech stays set as you open the angle of attack. Then, if you need to depower more in high gusts or when overpowered, ease the sheet to twist the main.
@yepiratesworkshop7997
@yepiratesworkshop7997 7 месяцев назад
I don't want to tell you how long I've been sailing and I never knew that.
@skippertips
@skippertips 7 месяцев назад
No worries; I have taken beginner's classes and picked up on new techniques or even discovered I'd been doing something wrong. My philosophy is to never stop learning, innovating, testing, and trying something new. See what works and doesn't work. It's part of the deal; it's part of sailing and boating in general.
@botston
@botston Год назад
I could have used this when on a harbor 20. The boat tipped and filled with water and i barely saved it. Water above the floor boards
@skippertips
@skippertips Год назад
You might consider getting at least one row of reef points installed on your mainsail. I did this, even with my little 14-foot O'Day Javelin and 18-foot Cape Dory Typhoon when I owned those boats. This modification will help you keep the boat more level and the helm more balanced in gusty winds. Talk to your sailmaker to get further advice.
@benitlu
@benitlu 8 лет назад
I would like to no the principle behind what you said, why those specific position, for specific wind? Basically explanation on how its works. Example if I use the position #2 on a strong wind, why it will be not as good? Thanks
@skippertips
@skippertips 8 лет назад
The mainsail leech needs to be trimmed so that the uppermost batten remains about parallel to the boom. In position #2, you are sailing in super light winds. You might set the traveler car slightly to windward. After you do this, sight up the leech and ease the mainsheet just enough to trim the leech as described above. In heavy air, ease the traveler downwind (to leeward). This opens the slot between main and jib to help depower the boat. You can depower further by easing the mainsheet in the gusts. In heavy air, your objective will be to reduce heel and weather helm to keep the boat balanced, on her feet, and driving forward.
@Breal191
@Breal191 10 лет назад
Where should the battens be in heavy wind? Also if this gets the best performance I assume that these same tactics are used in racing? Thanks
@skippertips
@skippertips 9 лет назад
Breal, yes, but much more. Racers really do not have time to peak up from the underside of the boom. They use mainsail leech telltales. I have not done a vid on this, but its on my schedule. Main leech telltales are installed in the upper, middle and lower part of the leech (adjacent to the battens). When beating (close hauled), you want all streaming straight aft. If you over-trim the main, the upper leech telltale will disappear to the leeward side. You need to add more twist (ease the mainsheet) until all telltales stream together. If you under-trim or have too much fullness (i.e. outhaul), the lower leech telltales disappear to the leeward side. Or, if you believe you have the main trimmed properly and the lower telltales disappear, your slot (between headsail and main) could be too open. Sheet in the jib / Genoa and see if that makes a difference.
@lucasspaniard8430
@lucasspaniard8430 4 года назад
I am confused by the Top batten parallel to the boom, this by definition would mean there is no twist, as the foot of the sail and the top batten are parallel. What am I missing here? ( I have heard this explanation before.)
@skippertips
@skippertips 4 года назад
Lucas, the top batten will not be directly over the boom, but should still look parallel. Take a look at this image of a well-trimmed main. Note all leech telltales are streaming, which indicates smooth flow off the leech (minimum turbulence). I've placed two arrows which are parallel to one another at the uppermost batten and the boom: www.skippertips.com/Top-Batten-Parallel-to-Boom.jpg
@nelsonpidgeon4724
@nelsonpidgeon4724 10 лет назад
I sail an O'Day 192. My mainsail leach does not have a leech line and always seems to flutter which makes it difficult to achieve the shape you describe in this video (and sort of drives me crazy). Do you have any recommendations? Should I have one added? Why wouldn't it come with a leech line? Thanks for a great site.
@skippertips
@skippertips 9 лет назад
Nelson, leech flutter happens when the tabling along the leech stretches. It's pretty common in all mainsails, in particular older mainsails. But all mainsails--those used for racing or cruising, need a leech line installed. It's a light piece of parachute like cord sewn inside the leech tabling that runs from the head to the clew. There will be a small clam cleat or similar adjustment point installed near the clew. This is a fine adjustment, so use just enough leech line to stop the flutter. Take care not to cup the leech. Just put the flutter to sleep and your mainsail will flog less.
@PreacherRock1
@PreacherRock1 3 года назад
surprised you do not mention the vang
@skippertips
@skippertips 3 года назад
Not needed when beating. The boom is over the boat and the mainsheet handles leech control. The vang takes over when reaching or running.
@PreacherRock1
@PreacherRock1 3 года назад
My vang has a powerfull spring so I release the vang to set the boom angle and get the correct twist and then set the mainsheet and traveller.
@douglaslin5469
@douglaslin5469 2 года назад
@@PreacherRock1 There's little mention here of what one wants to do. As far as the mainsail goes, a flat mainsail works best in very light air. Depending on the boat, you want more power - more curve - in the mainsail above 6 knots. Depending on the boat, it starts to get over powered as the breeze freshens - lets say 12 knots. To reduce the power, you apply the back stay, which bends the mast. This bend stretches ie pushes the mainsail forward, which reduces the curve in the mainsail, which reduces its power. Its like when a plane takes off, its wings have a deeper shape with its flaps out, than when it's going fast, when the wings have no flaps and its shape is flat. When you bend the mast to flatten it, you also need to pull in or tighten the outhaul on the boom, and also tighten the cunningham eye. While the sail is then "bigger", its flatter in shape and hence less powerful. So you want a flat mainsail the harder the wind gets. Twist allows the top of the sail to loose power before the bottom of the mainsail does. This is almost like automatic sailing. Have the boom to leeward de-powers the sail - eventually the sail will not drive the boat at all and the sail will be heavily effected by the jib. Then its time to reef. But operating a boat bu constantly playing traveller is hard work. Good sailors alter the sail's power all the time. If short handed or cruising, twist makes one's job a lot easier. It is obvious though - the further the boom is to leeward, the less twist the sail will have. And don't forget the role the boom vang can have - its common for many boats to control twist with a powerful boom vang. Don't forget to ease the boom vang and the backstay when going off the wind.
@captainjack3787
@captainjack3787 8 лет назад
If you move the traveler to winward then the sail will twist more than being on center. how come center traveler is showing 50% twist leeward 30% and winward 40%.. it doesn't make sense to me
@skippertips
@skippertips 8 лет назад
Those positions are where twist begins, not the amount of twist. In light air, a flatter sail makes it easier for the wind to adhere to the sail. As you sight up the leech, ease the mainsheet just enough so that the uppermost batten becomes parallel to the boom or open the batten to leeward just a tad. This will help keep the sail from stalling.
@dixee6498
@dixee6498 4 года назад
Sheesh! I feel stupid! 🙁
@schloemo
@schloemo Год назад
All 3 pictures look exactly the same
@skippertips
@skippertips Год назад
John, these are subtle changes in the twist of the leech. Also see this video on trimming the leech, using leech telltales: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eqjaEX5cS5U.html
@shaneriehl223
@shaneriehl223 Год назад
Couldn’t disagree more.
@skippertips
@skippertips Год назад
Shane, where do you see an issue with these settings?
@shaneriehl223
@shaneriehl223 Год назад
In short, where you need more power, less twist is good, and you can depower by allowing more twist. Light air: line up the leech so it’s a blade of a sail, pulling in good trim from top to bottom (unless you suspect there’s wind sheer up at higher altitude, then allow some twist) Medium air: do all the usual backstay, Cunningham, outhaul adjustments, and then start to allow twist at the top. The foot stays powered up, and you start to depower the main more at the top of the mast (the top of the fulcrum) This is important to keep the lower sections of the boat powered up to push through chop as it begins to form in moderate wind. Heavy air: Reef! But even with a reef, allowing the head to fall off will depower the sail higher up, causing less heel, but still keep the foot powered up to drive through challenging waves/chop. I even sometimes keep a fat foot on the reef if the waves are really big so that the boat has more pushing-power low down on the mast. I understand there’s a strategy of “vang sheeting” and I’ve seen it work quite well. It’s your instruction for heavy air. That said, it does not open the slot between the main and jib, but rather closes it down. This may result in less power, but also often times less pointing ability as the wind gets backed up in the slot, and won’t bend around the forestay as favorably. There are other ways to do it, and tons of opinions about what works best. I found the above most reasonable after reading Arvel Gentry’s article “A Review of Modern Sail Theory”, racing numerous races around San Francisco Bay over the years (it blows 25 in one part of the bay and then 10 just around a corner, so lots of changing gears), and learning from a Dad who’s done a good number of thousands of miles racing offshore. I’m definitely not saying anyone should do it the way I’m talking about above if you don’t want to, but just that I disagree and why.
@skippertips
@skippertips Год назад
Shane, thanks for your thoughts.
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