I have 25 years experience on the Outer Banks of NC, Hurricane central. This is not only the entirely wrong way to run a valley it wont pass code either. Please stop doing this and stop telling others to do this as this is incorrect. I tear and replace every valley I see run like this as they leak like hell. This guy is a hack at best. Sorry brother just calling them Like I see them. I was lloking for videos for my new apprentice this will be one I WILL SHOW HIM AS THIS WILL SHOW HIM HOW NOT TO RUN A VALLEY. I repeat I would not do this ona dog house let alone someone's home. You need to weave or cut your valleys and stop being lazy. LAZY is the only reason to do this, well that and being a hack.
i should delete your comment. You are wrong and this exceeds code in our area... i can show you proof of permit and inspection.... i am a licensed contractor. look me up its public. je quality exteriors out of oshkosh, wi 54902 google it!!!!!!!!!!!! i have been licensed for many years! i have thousands of roofs under my belt
@@Lifes_Apprentice yeah this is a totally fine way to shingle a valley. This guy is just stuck in his ways and won’t accept any one else’s method. Only thing I would add is that the valley should have ice and water shield. Unless I’m wrong and it’s under your felt. Needed per code in my state and should be done in any state regardless. Otherwise great video brother!
You’re probably a inspector who has to setup a whole harnesse to get on the roof. I’ve been roofing for 5 years I’m 19 and my master taught me well how to do the things the right way here in Texas it is fine for him to nail the valley this way my only flaw is I would run the other row of shingles first to not end up having wavy shingles. I always throw chalk lines all the way to the top.4 nails is enough if it’s 8/12 and up i 6 nail. The gap of the shingles should be 6 inches in my opinion and the nail should be at least 4 inches from the seam. Besides that I don’t see anything wrong with this valley. If you’re in the north then you’re correct you do throw a chalk line cut the shingles on the valley and cut the lil corner of the shingles so water won’t get stuck on the valley
awesome builder here old school 46 yrs & best method & show of how to start a roof with valleys woven professionally ... not cut but looks cut not woven ..love it love the look the coverage ....Best roof ive ever seen ..Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Totally talked me out of doing an open valley. Our roof had a vent pipe right IN the valley (I have no idea how/what they were thinking). Surprisingly, it held for years until we had an ice storm that backed water up into it. I finally got it out of there and waiting for the rain to stop so I can start nailing.
@@Lifes_Apprentice And a fine opinion it is. We don't get a lot of snow in Portland Oregon, but do get ice build up. The closed valley seems pretty well adapted to that.
3:38 I find the simplest way to explain it is with Volume and Velocity. The bigger the panel, the more the volume, the steeper the panel the more the velocity. The bigger or steeper, or combo of both takes precedence and determines how the valley needs to be started. I have installed valleys like this for 12+ years never had to go fix a single one. Cheers, great job.
I agree that the California or no-cut valley is by far the best way. It saves time on cuts, money on scraps, and you really don't need valley metal. However, I have been known to use valley metal.
"Take note, boys. This is a roofer's roofer. I've been doing this skilled work for 13 years, and you can tell a roofer's experience just by the way he handles a ladder. This man knows what he is talking about. Great work!"
The progression of wear tear and and ball damage to your bostitch nail gun through each video is probably the most unexpectedly interesting part of the video
I do this to my metal W valleys as well, i mean obviously i don't run the shingles from the left side way up the right side haha, but i run that vertical shingle 3 inches from the belly of the valley up a line i chalked on each side, then start my shingles square off the vertical shingles i ran all the way up the valley, no points to cut, don't have to cut all the shingles, no missing with your hook blade and taking a little paint off the metal valley, which is where the valley will usually start rusting from, i don't make it a habit of accidentally hitting the metal valley with my hook blade and dinging up the baked on paint, but it does happen, not with this type of valley tho. I like the look as well, nice and clean, can't get a straighter line than this..!! Looks good👍👍
Hey life's apprentice great work if you want a suggestion from the West Coast ice and water Shield up your Valley is primo and also one more thing when shingling the Lower Side of the valley it helps to run two sets of shingles then go off your farthest shingle to make sure it's straight so your Valley doesn't frown
we have to run ice and water in the valley it is code here I almost always cover with felt because it can be slippery and sticky depending on conditions. I run my tarpaper straight to ridge so I am keeping the shingles straight. I know what you mean by running 2 sets starting valley and alot of people do it that way. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment
When starting up the valley, after the turned shingle is installed, how do you keep the rows parallel to the ridge as you're starting out by eye? Do you use chalk lines measured down from the ridge? Thx
how do you eliminate the ladder pattern when you continue with your roof at the side of the valley , just cut tiny bits of shingles and make a new pattern ?
For the people that comment of the process of installing it this way. I can for one say that I do install my shingles that way but I install brands that has the tar at the end and not in the middle. Like this shingle here. As for me do install starter and do two shingle links to go up the valley to keep it straight. Like always everyone has their opinion and installs everything with their own touch.
Nail placement is always important on a roof don’t let any one tell you different especially in high wind areas. Check with your manufacturer for nail placement
Shingle from rake into valley and they will always be straight. Bring your valley shingles your using for a straight edge closer to middle of valley it does not look good and there is no functioning purpose to leave wider exposure. Just a tip from guy with 45yrs experience
Great video definitely going to do my valleys like that. Just have one question I have and a frame house with two gables on the front the main roof is a 6/12 while the gables are 8/12 which would i start with?.
On a closed valley always start on smaller roof running shingles up the larger roof and always always seal the valley shingle before shingle if the top side
Running two while shingling up your valley should be standard, but if your working with people that don't just treat it like a gable and dont run off it and you should be fine
You rock Incognito I love teaching new guys how to shingle valleys I giggle every time I get to show slick tips but something about teaching to start your valleys with two shingles so you can stay straight Just Hits that sweet spot every time
Im looking to run a valley but I'm not there yet! So im watching videos. So JAMES FORNASH !!!, If this is the "WRONG way to run a valley, what's the "RIGHT WAY". Thank you so much!
Really nice video! Great instruction, simple, clear and easy to follow. Might want to turn up the microphone gain so we can hear you better. Thank you so much! Where are you located? Is this a good technique for central Florida, where I am from? Cheers!
Looks good. The last 4 courses in the valley at the peak climbed a little on ya. Long as there isn't any shiners it'll be fine . I have 35 years of roofing experience and I'm a M.S.A Certified Wizard. Good Work. Always quality before quantity 💯🥋
One question when you're done running up that valley do you lift that leading edge and tar under it to properly seal it or do you believe it's fine just laid down?
I am not a roofer and I take my hat off to you guys. As a DIY and this Old House videos helping me I had to put up shingles on a 6 x 10 area, and I wondering how you address the valley if the other side of the roof is already shingled? Thank you again.
@@GiantSlayer-rr1vu3 layered shingles? Do they sorta look like slate tiles? Grand Manor shingles possibly? Sorry, didn't mean to get in your conversation here, just saw this comment about 3 layer shingles and was curious what you meant.
@@Lifes_Apprentice I removed the entire side I was working on. I went with new sheathing, the standard 3-block shingles. It turned off great. I will be having an actual roofer come out to replace the back porch and living room shingles in march 2024. again thank you so much
Question what if you put up and down shingle on both sides keeping it couple inches up on both sides Ac contractor not a roofer 69 yrs old and willing to watch listen and learn Thanks Manuel
Just wanted to say, great video. I do have two things to critique. 1. On a deleted valley like that (gable runs flush onto fascia), you should have ran one shingle dormer side before you ran your weave shingle. (Some times two, depending on the valley). 2. seams my friend. That second to last bleeder should have been cut back, so the seam wasn't too close to the peak. (That might just be a personal preference of mine. I tend to holler at my guys if seams are anywhere near the peak overlap, bleeder, etc. I want that peak closed off when cap is laid.)
Do mine exact same way now, used to cut 1 side for years but this way much quicker and looks just as good. ..... why you dont apply 2 rows of ice&water?
this is the best way to do valley in my opinion to. we are required by code to install ice and water 3 feet past outside wall which is usually 2 rows at least. on certain pitches when it is hot the ice and water get slippery and we cover with felt to make it safer
The first starter you put.on the tar should be at the bottom not in the middle I think you put two starters down your sapost to separate them there is a line so u can fold them and break them apart
whenever roofers don't start on the edge I wonder how they know they're gonna not end up with some 1 inch sliver piece kn the ends without measuring? I'm guessing they just get lucky
Q: how to cover a valley that has shingles already on one side? It has 3 layers on that side. Q: you place new shingles in side the old shingles ? Thanks
You will have to take off at least the top layer near valley to get new shingles under and then replace shingles you removed. The other option is do an open valley but without seeing I cannot be sure the right answer
Why are you not using starter shingle? And the valley gap is to open its supposed to be from the top at the most 3 fingers from the center of the valley and bottom the most 4 fingers or 4 inches
Why don’t you bust your roof into thirds And snap lines for a reference running the valley all the way up you’re bound to be crooked without checking yourself with a reference Mark
Was there ice and water shield under the underlayment or metal flashing? Just wondering. Great video. Im learning so I can do a roof on my own and have a couple of small bay windows with small valleys. Thanks
Life's Apprentice Guy, I like the way you did this valley and I did mine the same way. I'll ask you this, what are say, the top 3 caulkings you like using around a chinley counter flashing in your opinion....
I've always heard it called a point set valley but anyway it's a hacks valley. In Montana where it snows this valley is apt to leak. The best valley is a California cut valley. Run one side up then chalkline the other side and cut it straight. The huge hump this valley leaves is visible from space. If you go to rich neighborhoods you will get ran out of the neighborhood
It is the exact same thing as the cut valley but there are no cuts...this way avoids small pieces near valley, seams, and keeps nails consistently away from valley. If you are still doing valley the other way you are wasting so much time and materials
@@Lifes_Apprentice nah dude I'm not a novice. Go do homes in big sky Montana they won't even let you do it. It's ugly because it leaves a huge hump on One side of the valley. Rich people don't want to look up and see that humped up garbage . If it's done with 40 or 50 year shingles it looks even worse. It's a lazy man's valley that will leak in cold environments because the ice gets caught behind the glue line of your bleeder. A cut valley with the dog ear cut out is the only way to go.... I have roofed in Seattle and Montana. I've roofed in the union and they don't do it in either place.
@@Lifes_Apprentice the reason why you do it is because it's faster and it's easy to teach to any dip 💩. I'm telling you that valley is a humped up mess waiting to leak. You will get plenty of other people saying the same thing. Especially if they actually know what they are doing.
@@travishanks7295 I have been roofing for almost 20 years now and we used to cut valleys like you are saying until like 10 years ago. I never have had issues doing it either way. The valley will have a hump either way. I know dozens of local roofers and many online and they all do the valleys the same way. go troll another comment section with your baseless claims...If you want people to learn to do it your way make your own videos
why on every single one of these videos, there are professionals arguing with each other. How are regular people supposed to know who is wrong and who is right?
First of all I am the guy that knows nothing and is trying to learn from you. However I can't stop my common sense from telling me that the rain run off from the gable is going to go under the main roof shingles. Why am I overthinking this? Can you explain why/how it doesnt?
i dont see how you get shingle to line up on both sides of the valley. thanks for the video. well i mean how the shingles line up all the way across the house .
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As a journeyman roofer I prefer too weave valleys it takes longer but its more professional but not what we do in hawaii we call that a California valley 🤣🤙💯we weave m and u always go out 2 shingles too make sure its straight or it'll look crooked as f@ck and that causes smiles on shingles ...🤣🤙Aloha
Wrong ..the bundle states only nailing patterns and hawaii is hurricane high windage so we use 6 nails ,and the steps is the same but the proper terminology is called books ...at no point does the manufactory warranty says anything about weaving its just a half ass way that mainland does valleys in my opinion and I run a few businesses, landscaping and roofing and my insurance company prefers weaving its more durable and its nailed better
We carry all types of shingles mostly AR is preferred..algae resistant ...we have ABC roofing supply as a main distributor only shingles i dislike is Malarkey but like I said all directions are on the bundle for manufacturers warranty so u got a couple years on installation as a liability as a contractor then the full warranty on shingles as stated and years 20 plus or 30 plus that varies unless u torching down then it'll go 50 years and standing seam metal roofs are a infinite
