Thanks. I came to the logical conclusion that one had to be at least neutral and have pressure on the heel at the end of the turn but all the Non-Level 4s who do ski well always told me to Always have shin on boot all the time. Thanks for confirming the truth without any dubious technical jargon.
Perfect level of explanation! So many tutorials are only focused on the beginner mistakes. Thank you for showing the advanced mistakes!!! Can't wait to go ski today.
Josh clearly uses both skis at a very high level. I believe we need to get away from focusing so much on the outside ski. The really good skiers use both skis really well. Initiating the turn with the OUTSIDE edge of the new INSIDE ski is a much stronger way to ski. If you can do that, I promise that you will never have an issue with your outside ski. Most skiers are going from old outside ski to new outside ski at turn initiation which is the biggest difference between you and Josh. Focus on getting the center of mass centered on the new inside ski BEFORE turn initiation. A simple idea is to get your belly button over the center of the new inside ski before releasing the edges of your old turn. Rotating your pelvis or hips towards the new turn (or counter-rotation at the finish of the old turn) moves the CM forward on the old outside ski before it becomes the new inside ski. It also opens the hip flexor of the new outside leg at the same time which moves automatically centers you on that ski at the same time. (This is a natural occurrence when you "stay square" to the fall-line as Josh instructed.) At this point, all you need to do is roll onto your new edges. Getting a strong inside ski at this point of the turn is preferred IMO. On a good day, I can initiate all of my (skidded and carved) turns on the inside ski with my outside ski off of the snow. It can be incredibly powerful. Actually, I'm mostly focused on my inside ski at all times. If I'm on point with the inside, the outside is there. Ski instruction needs to do a better job of teaching actively use both skis. The best skiers in the world do this yet we keep talking about the outside ski and that is exactly what is holding people back. As soon as you push on that outside ski, you lose the inside. Use the inside ski and let the outside ski do its job naturally. I'm sure many will not quite understand what I'm saying and disagree, but I'm not talking about anything revolutionary here. I'm simply looking at some of the standard skills from a different angle so that we can teach and ski more efficiently. (For reference, I'm a former PSIA Certified Instructor and currently a Race Coach at my local hill.) P.S. For you racers out there... If you want to reliably shin every gate on the course and crush the flushes without hooking gates, master initiating your turns on the inside ski!
Superb video! It is always good to see the effort professionals(basically skiing demi-gods for me) like yourself put for your skiing. Sometimes it feels like good skiers are born that way and others have no chance. Love the channel and the quality. I would love to join your camp someday hopefully...
Great video! I naturally do that when I turn, going from pressure forward to pressure release and repeat. I think that comes from my background as a dance teacher. I use my ankles to feel not only the turn, but the slope as well. I use the feedback from the hill and my body weight to help me pop from one turn to the other fairly naturally. One issue I see with the video is a problem I see a lot in dancing. There is a huge difference between teaching a principle and a correction. Your advice to go way back on the heels seems very appropriate in this case with a skier so far forward. Just like in dancing, if you see something cool on a video don’t try and copy exactly what is said. Look at what they are trying to accomplish and try to do that. But in the end if you want to get better at skiing(or dancing) the only way to really do that is by taking lessons.
5:48 I loved watching you really apply what Josh was suggesting. I could tell instantly you were getting so much more acceleration at the end of each turn as you transitioned into the next. It even looked as though that sudden pick up caught you by surprise, but you held on and carried through beautifully. Your natural athleticism really shines here. Keep up the great effort!
Bro, you have the perfect separation to start with. but for most intermediate skiers, this is the most challenging thing to execute. Could you explain what are the things to look out for nice separation?
I mostly agree as categories only work when experts look down and categories and not when people self categories as everyone think they are advanced or an expert.
I've learned nothing about skiing from this video. The talking means nothing. If it was in Mandarin Chinese, it would be the same to us English speakers--no difference at all. Or just show the skiing and read a Dr. Seuss book. That would be cool. Green eggs and ham.
I lived in Colorado for a while and my roommates were the best skiers I had ever seen and they fell all the time - they would just rip so hard and didn't care
This video addressed the exact problem an older guy like me has, having the back of the skies come loose and not having those nice twin tracks through the end of the curve. I look forward to giving your advice some serious attention the next time I am at the hill. Thank you for the tips.
Ski coach here- this is a great tip for slalom turns. I've been calling this the "Hirscher Turn" lately, but it's being referred to as the compact transition turn. It is important to emphasize that the most boot pressure should be at the top of the turn, easing off toward the apex. This flexes and "loads" the ski. By the bottom of the turn, you pull your hips back behind your knees, allowing the ski to release and fire you into the next turn. Just be ready to get forward at the top of the next turn or it might end badly! This is such a fun technique to learn and takes slalom turns to the next level.
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I am sorry to say it cause I usually enjoy your videos but I really disagree with this one. I am a racer and transitioning on the heels is something we try to avoid as much as possible. It gives you a lot less control and pushes you on the inside ski a lot (as you have experienced in the video). What I would suggest to avoid skidding at the beginning of the turn is to focus on keeping your hips straight down like your shoulder line. (Putting both of your hands on your hips with your thumbs facing forward really helps to practice that). You can also try to be « softer » and more patient during transition by just focusing on putting your weight on the outside ski without trying to push on it.Then something you didn’t mention that I think would help you a lot is to open and bring forward your hips a lot more. The « bending » of the body should come as much as possible from the knees and not from the hips to maximize shin pressure and power transmission to the skis. At least that’s my opinion, would be happy to debate.
Totally agree, i was racing too for many years. I would suggest giving josh a gs ski, not a slalom ski. Its easy to do for example a 8m radius turn with heel transitioning whereas the ski has a 6m radius given. But you wont be able to do a heel transitioning turn shorter than the ski radius given. As mentioned before, heel transitioning is all about losing control - the more you do it
I had the same thoughts on the video. I'm a " ski instructor for ski instructors" in Germany and I see it like @dronalpes. Happy to discuss in more detail...
Chin pressure! OMG, many jokes for that one (I know it’s a typo for ‘shin’). Your analysis is correct, especially coming from a race perspective. It turns out that the weight transfer is almost like walking, and racers actually work to be less aggressive on edge change (for smoother turning), while recreational skiers can be too aggressive (e.g. hockey stopping/skidding turns).
Hey, Thanks for the friendly feedback. I think this type of transition is little known because if introduced too early in a skiers development it might do more harm than good. Here´s a video of Marcel Hirscher doing the same thing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ardYbiGuFSg.html
Thanks mate now I just fell into the RU-vid tutorial void. I did come across another video that you might find exciting that's almost on the topic: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-90RChr1otpQ.html
You guys teaching is right on! I love the feeling of putting pressure on the heels at the end of a turn. It literally throws you into the next turn almost effortlessly. I think a lot of skiers just don't get this and it took me a long time as well to figure it out.
Note: how the expert's entire upper body is more "quiet" and across his shoulders. Even with a heavy jacket you can see that his clavicle is more still - which helps to suppress wasted rotational energy that leads to "reaching" into the next turn.
Pretty good advice. Need to stop swinging your arms around too. Arms should be calm. Watch him compared to you, just the arms (pole plant and neutral position). [Swiss Ski Schule input]...😎
I hate to critique anyone else's skiing, I have so much to improve with my own, but since you're putting yourself out there, right there for me to see, and if I was in the same position I would welcome critique, I'm going to say what seems obvious in what I see. You are obviously from a park, trick background. And from seeing what you can do in that regard, I'm super impressed, but the one thing I see that seems consistent with park/trick riders is a looseness/casualness that is held up as a stylistic point amongst that genre. Watching you ski, and then your friend ski, it appears that you are bound by being way too loose in your joints and style to achieve what you are trying to accomplish. I.E: your skiing is more stoner style than jock. You bend further over your skis at the waist, your knees separate, your arms going with the flow one millisecond behind and beyond need of movement, etc. It seems you are trying to be loose, still casual and flowy, when the skiing you are trying to achieve requires being much more tight and powerfully athletic. When a person learns through race training how to ski, or a person learns through park skiing how to ski, learning the other style is an impressive feat. My hat is off. So few ever try.
@@StompItTutorials First, I appreciate the reply. Like you I am trying to work my way up to the highest level of certification, and looking for tips on getting a really spectacular short turn dialed was what brought me to your channel. And I would say, at least when it comes to traditional skiing, we are probably close in skill level. I was chuckling watching you lay it down a couple times when working on the heel weighting in the transition; laughing because the exact same thing happened to me when I very recently started to work on this, locking in on the inside ski back seat and going down in an embarrassing kinda fashion. Humbling because I don't wipe out turning groomers; funny because I wiped out a few times trying this turning groomers. Until you realize what your turns lacked (anyone), it is really hard to undo years of doing it wrong. No? (chuckling). One of the ways we ski similarly that also seems to work against us in the short turn is we both have a fairly wide stance. I'm not sure where I developed it, but I suspect from being a telemarker exclusively for many years, I would even say at the highest level, but regardless, I relied on a wider stance when alpining my free heels in pow and choppy terrain. An interesting note: I am much better at snap turning my telemark skis in a 3 to 6 meter corridor than I currently am on my alpines. And I believe this is because at the transition I finish hard on my rear ski to initiate the transition. On telemarks you get the tail pressure for free as a consequence of the action. At any rate I'm trying to undo all that, learning to be more active in the boot, and it isn't so pretty... yet maybe dreams really do come true! I'm glad you are putting your progression and what you are working on on RU-vid. It's heartening. As for short turns, I think next day I can get some alone time on a mid-pitched groomer I'm going to try learning the Dolphin Turn drill. It looks tough, and it is probably even tougher to learn than it looks, but I think it might really help exactly what it seems we are both working on. I'd like to see a vid of you playing around with short-turn Dolphin Turns. I could use some inspiration.
@@redsledski Yea no worries I'm almost happy to put myself out there with my worst kind of skiing😕 It's fun and seem to inspire people that I struggle too.
wow.....this makes sooo much sense. I have exactly the same "level 3" technique. I've seen one other video that breaks down the mechanics in a similar way. So, my take away is that forward-aft stance must be dynamic and constantly shifting throughout the whole turn. I can;t wait to try this out in our southern season....soon!
Thanks for the video! I always thought I should AVOID leaning on my heels at the end of short turns, so I think a lot of advanced skiers make this mistake
great video, like how you are so open to change, cuz carving is change. Gonna just generally comment on carving and how people should approach it - why i like your videos, your approach, in my opinion is spot on. Just watched this video and couple last ones "How to carve on skis" and "Ski entire Mountain" - very informative and correct, in my opinion and full of good advice for people to take. I'm sure there will be people who disagree and people can ski how they want, but whether it is efficient or not, is the question. You are obviously a great park rider and skier of the, no insult intended, of the "old way" of skiing, many situations you can't carve, ie moguls, trees, etc, so best to know all ways. Every other method of skiing through the ages is about - forcing the turn, physically making the turn by forcing the skis to turn with some part of the body, whether pivot, step turn, up and down, too many to list. Sometimes this has to be done, so nothing wrong with these methods. Carving, of course, is still that, but a much more efficient way then anything else i've ever experienced, plus it not near as hard on the body, thankfully - sigh, we all get old. If done right, one hardly has to move at all in carving, it all about pressure control and not moving the body or least amount as one can. It utilizes movement or non movement of the body to aid in the turn to it's most minimal components. You are a fast skier and not afraid of taking chances, which really helps ... advanced skiing becomes mental, once the physical is learned. One can't be afraid of it, respectful yes, but afraid, no. And only way to get comfortable is to do it in steps, work up to it, so i like how your videos encourage progression. step by step. Carving is a whole new way of skiing, it all about the outside ski pressure and making that ski bend so it will just naturally do what it is made to do and your instructor Level 4 is right on and the drills he shows you are instrumental in showing one the way. To be advanced carver, not skier, a carver - the key is patience and trust. You let the turn happen, even in short turns, most rush the turn. It all about carving. And what does carving really mean. In my opinion it means - no hesitation - in the turn, just two tracks. Anything that disturbs the two tracks (smearing, washout at any point), means you are hesitating in some way. It all about letting the skis kind of turn itself, trusting that the technique used will turn the ski and having the patience to let it happen in it's time - once one tries to force or rush the turn, or one gets out of proper technique, that is when the smearing, washing out happens. I understand fear of speed is a major factor with a lot of people who try to carve (i dont think that is so in your case, lol) and that is a major problem with the washing out (putting the brakes on), but one must realize there are ways to control this, and use it and just has to be learned - not gonna learn it in a day, only miles on the boards and instruction and observing what happens will one know. If you are doing correctly, even though the speed is amped up, you should feel like you are ... slow motion - you should feel the skis carving through the snow, and basically feel "hey, i'm just along for the ride", you should feel you have to do nothing but the technique, you are just letting the skis ... go, do their thing - (that's not the case, but it should be so effortlessly, that you feel that way) - it is a beautiful feeling ... There are lots of little mistakes being made in the two videos devoted to carving, but this isn't a video on the finer points, it about what you must do to understand the concept of what a carve actually is, whether short, medium or long carving. But as i said before, carving is two tracks without any breakup except in transition. The technique to do this involves many things - stance, balance, angulation, separation, quiet upper body positioning, pole work, edge angle, steering, transitioning - up/down or laterally - and especially the subtle utilization of outside leg/edge pressure, and yes, inside leg/edge pressure - the two work in tandem. I would suggest an easier pitch for people to learn this on in the beginning, but eventually one must do it on the pitch you are on, but for people beginning and even experts, fine tuning it on the easy pitch is advisable. Lot of it is just muscle memory. The beauty of it all, once learn the technique, it works pretty well, with some minor variations, on every snow condition. Seen lot of your videos and i must say, i'm impressed. You talk the talk and walk the walk, but you're not closed to learning what you don't know or haven't experienced. And one must understand that carving is not park riding, or mogul bumping or tree skiing or backcountry powder skiing, or wiggle jiggle skiing. It in essence, is a whole new way of skiing, but it does utilize many things one already knows from skiing all those ways. I think the thing that amazes me about carving is that once understood, how effortlessly it is and how one really doesn't have to do anything besides pressure control and keeping stance, core, correct. Less movement one makes, the better. And finally, just want to say i appreciate you and all the other good youtubers who spend the time and effort in putting out these videos. I'm excited to see how you progress in the next few videos. You have a great instructor there showing you and us. Kudos to you and your channel.
Shorten your poles by five or ten cm so that you can move forward through the transition rather than using the pole plant as a rhythm marker. Over-flexed ankles were a key issue. Standing on your heels is not the solution - using your ankles actively so that you pressure your shins through the initiation and then rest across the whole of your foot through the latter phases of the turn is a more effective solution. You over flex through your turns, creating the image of over-flexed shins; the truth, as I see it, is that your knees are hyper-flexed so without over-flexing your ankles it's very difficult for you to spread your weight effectively along the length of the ski. If you stand taller by extending your knee and (only slightly) reducing the (compensatory flex) through your hip joint you'll be able to use you ankle, foot, and therefor ski, efficiently.
Interesting, enjoyable vid, thanks. Love your attitude. I looked through your other uploads to see if your coach had ever spent a whole session working on your basic stance, but couldn’t find anything. You’ve got some funky stuff going on and I would be interested to know how he has been helping you with that.
Can you explain why you were falling again? (Because it keeps happening to me too) Banking too much without more counterbalancing? Too much pressure on inside ski?
Instructing someone to "sit back" may get them in trouble. It's not so much sitting back as going from forward pressure to neutral. Your going from pressing your skis to carve, releasing pressure and pressuring them again. Using both skis to carve with an open stance, angulation that naturally applies more pressure to the downhill ski. "Countering" keeping your upper body facing down hill creates a winding up, so that when you unwind your lower body, feet and skis come around without forcing them. Overall, it's a loose, attacking style of skiing letting the skis do the work while you guide them.
While skiing today I found myself having this same problem, and was trying to work out a solution. I got about half way there, but this really shows the piece I was missing.
Some really weird lower spine involvement happening here. Bad movement habits like this most often culminate into the advanced intermediate plateau that this skier seems to be suffering. These problems cannot be addressed directly with opposing instruction which would be just another nail in the coffin. Drills that challenge fore/aft stacking and outside pressure will send a message to his lumbar region that it can no longer operate locked up as he does.
Another way of explaining it is, you have to release the pressure off the skis to allow them to come back around. It's not that you need to sit back, you need to release pressure. What you are ultimately doing is letting the lower body serpentine underneath you. Pressure the skis and release.
Oh, man so good. Here's the thing that no one seems to talk about. The uphill ski does all the work when it comes to transitioning edges. In your videos it becomes clear that the uphill ski leads the shape with the knee bending to whatever degree depending on the radius required. Right?
is the "transitional" part the part when ur going diagonal? would be nice to see a video where it shows where exactly the "transition" part or start or finish part of the turns. maybe u think this is easy to understand but thats cause u already know. from the outside, the words can mean anything.
I do my short turns just as he described my weight was always further back and not pushing the shins into the boots. I was not taught that technic but evolved to it.
I always liked double short turns. Start your turn and just as the skis start to respond, release you edges. The turn will flatten out. Reengage your edges and complete the turn. Do it at speed and it really fast and fun.
Have him work on his pole plant ,its late or non existent ,treat the pole like a metronome ether before or after the egde change or set.try a hocky stop with the pole plant at or after the egde set.
This is a great video! I agree to your advises, only I miss one very important advice, witch makes the edgings much easier, once you flex your knees at the transition. The knee-flex puts the COM backwards over the skis, so in this situation you must pull back your new inside ski a lot before and during your edging of it! Once you start the new outside edging, you push the thew outside ski forwards into the turn by your outside hip. By these speed modifications of the skis, you can make the shortest short turns on carved edges. You should make angulation, by bending your upper body forwards in the direction of the outside ski-tip.
This is an under-appreciated comment! "Reverse bicycling" is the key to recovering forward balance on the ski that matters, even when it's still the inside ski. This resolves Jens' confusion on how to transition from his new-found rearward balance at the end of the turn back to forward again.
To pick apart why it might help to have the weight move to the after part of the footbed to begin the new turn, think about the first turn in a sequence. The most dynamic and yet simple option to get the ski(s) onto their inside edge(s) and loaded up quickly is to ski them to where you need them -- away from where your centre of mass would hit the snow if if suddenly fell straight down -- by pushing them away from you, in the same way a speed skater does with each powerful skating thrust. So whereabouts is the pressure maximised on the skater's sole during this thrust? It's just as when you do a few skating steps to accelerate out of the start gate in a ski race: it's not going to be under the ball of the big toe, it's going to be on the heel. Here's some other thoughts developing this thesis, for those who like to go deeper. It's harder to initiate that first turn. Later in the sequence you can 1) recycle the potential energy stored in the counterflex of the ski and 2) the kinetic energy stored in the mass of the skis and lower legs shooting across towards the new side, and also use the fact 3) that [if you're doing short turns at a highly advanced skill level, such as L4] your Centre of Mass will be flowing more or less at constant velocity, down the fall line, in the technical sense where both the magnitude and direction of its velocity vector are constant. For non-engineers: not only is the cannon ball (behind the belly button of the level 4 skier, doing short turns) moving in pretty much a straight line down the hill, neither is it speeding up and slowing down much. This greatly reduces the effort required, and also the pressure he or she needs to apply to the snow, because it takes energy to decelerate or accelerate the C of M's progress down the hill, or move it sideways across the hill. When we are traversing we don't have those three things going for us when we go to start our first turn, and it was notable that the student in this clip struggled for the early turns in the sequence. I'm guessing this was at least partly because he was still recovering his equilibrium (physical and mental) from the difficulty of that first turn, given that he was doing what he was bidden to do, and exaggerating the weight shift to the heels. #3 of the problems unique to the first turn provides one reason why you will sometimes see good skiers do a 90 degree jump turn as a cheat (smart) move to get their Centre of Mass flowing straight down the fall line before beginning a sequence of short turns in difficult circumstances.
This is great and helped me address the thing that’s been most bothering me about my short turns - a little bit of skidding of the tails, which I don’t even really feel, but I see when I watch a video of myself skiing. I’ve definitely been too far forward on my shins. Thanks!
Weight on the heals in a more flexed stance in transition is the end goal. But the real point is how do you achieve that. What are the movements that produce that static position and how do you then pressure the tips when exiting the transition. You flex or bend the knees and hips to achieve that position. That results in releasing your edges and the upper body starts to topple over your skis. You then pull the feet back and tip the down hill ski to it’s little toe edge. The uphill ski which becomes the new outside ski automatically matches the tipping new inside ski (downhill ski). The foot pull back of both feet combined with tipping pressures the tips as you exit the turn. Describe the movements to achieve the desired result rather than describing only the end goal.
Pivot and push was your opening technique. Could only get better from there. A big transition in technique is building pressure by increasing angulation, not by pushing against the turn. Pushing off to finish a turn is particularly ineffective. Releasing the pressured skis is all the energy needed to project yourself laterally. You can even pull the loaded skis back underneath for a quick transition and slashing carve.
Great explanation & demo, thanks for posting! sorry to see you fall but it’s so telling THAT you did. I’m a front-of-the-boot skier myself, I fear, and I can’t wait to try this out!
I've always been on the ball of my foot - transitionong to the heels has made a big difference in conpleting the turn without a skid. Two days so far this season on Crappy Michigan snow. This is making a big difference on steeper slopes. (80 yrs. old, 62 yrs on alpine skiis).
The way I understand it in physics -- skis motion on downhill direction is not constant speed, because downhill speed is maximum at the apex of a turn and lowest at the start/end of a turn (like a sine wave). However, if you want to keep your upper body downhill speed constant and stable, there's always relative location change between your upper body and your skis, so the weight should also change between toes and heels. At the start/end of a turn, your upper body has largest lag to your skis, so weight on heels; at the apex of a turn, your upper body has smallest lag (or maybe lead) to your skis, so weight on toes and shins touch boots.
I am so impressed you addressed stance first. While I appreciate you are working on a new skill, I think you may need to tidy up your pole plant if you are to pass any level 3 short turn exam.
Nice explanation, I am at a similar level and had kind of figured out that I wasn't controlling the tails of the skis enough to complete the turn and control speed when making short turns down the fall line but this makes it much clearer.
Big Improvement. Now center your weight, get rid of the pole plant, and keep hips straight downhill. Get rotation at the knees, not hips. Then your skis will edge and grip better, you will feel the turn and commit more fully to weight on the outside ski. Transition to the next turn comes naturally from the built-in energy of the last turn. Check your gear. Change the cant on your boots if necessary to get your skis flat on the snow in your normal ski posture. This is crucial to getting good edge grip in the turn, especially on the outside ski when you drop that knee into the turn.
maybe, I'm blind, but I don't see a difference between when he started and what he did after. He is still very forward especially in the upper body. I understand the theory that Josh shared, but don't see a difference in practice honestly.
It looked like his right arm was always back more than his left. That gave him a tendency to lean a little too much to the left in his turns. Keep the hands more forward to plant the poles to coordinate the entire body with the turns.
I'm an expert skier (I think lol) as I ski anything but I was trying to teach my upper intermediate skiing daughter this very technique but couldn't quite say it or show it properly. These guys nailed it! Thanks much! I have this video saved. Cheers from Minnesota!
Question for the real experts: I am close to expert level, having skiied since age 6 (57 now), but don't get enough days a year to raise my level. Frustrating. However, last season I had a breakthrough which involved beginning my turns with a "walking" weight transfer instead of starting the turn from the hips. My level of control on narrow corridors and on moguls has improved a lot. I need to take some lessons though.
Was practicing this on my last ski day last winter and got a little too far back and spun out once. The small amount of humiliation was worth what I learned trying something different. When you're doing it right you will feel the effects of the extra g force on your body forcing your ski edges more firmly into the snow and vastly cutting down on skidding. The less you skid the more control you will also have regarding speed.
I think one gradually goes from toe pressure at start of the turn to heel pressure in the end of a turn, that is what is being taught in racing schools
You're too far forward and your tails are washing out. You're also static which can be largely attributed to your pressure forward stance. So no, you're not a level 3 skier. Not even close. At your current ability you might squeak by a level 2 PSIA exam, just. And that only addresses the technical side, not the teaching portion. Even with correction. Better, but still needs work. Your coach is however, and stated he is level 4. Level 4 may be considered educational staff in the USA, but there is no official level 4.
Only for a brief moment in the transition is it ok to be heel heavy. The rest of the turn you need to keep the hip over the feet. It is likely that this is something you don't need to practice yet.
