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How to sound like RATT - Lay it Down

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In this episode I discuss the important factors to consider when trying to replicate the tone for the classic RATT record invasion of your privacy. Lay it down is a classic so I decided to discuss that song for this video.
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@angusorvid8840 Год назад

The closest I ever got to nailing the Invasion tone was when I plugged into a modded Laney AOR at a rehearsal studio in Culver City around '89. Lynch had been rehearsing there with his new band Lynch Mob and Jake E. Lee rehearsed there with Badlands. I'm not sure, but the Laney I played when I jammed with a band that shall go nameless because their gutiarist, a left-handed EVH wannabe, was always two hours late to rehearsal, and the band let me sit in because I memorized all the guitar parts. Anyhow, the Laney sounded absolutely Killer. In those days if you plugged into an un-modded, out of the box AOR they had this horrible bass decibel boost that was concomitant with the gain boost, so you couldn't dial it out. Anyhow, a lot of guys were getting their AORs modded to correct this, and modded AORs sounded awesome. This amp was no exception. I played an old Holdsworth Charvel with a Duncan Distortion through it and it was one of the best tones I ever had to this day. It totally captured the tone on Invasion. Now, I know that Ratt used mostly Jose modded Plexis on Invasion, and maybe an AOR in the mix, but Lynch definitely use an AOR mixed with a Plexis on Under Lock and Key. This AOR just an incredible tone and clarity. I didn't use any effects at all with it.

@ShredHeads Год назад

Cool story, thanks for sharing. 👍

@donlynch8285 Год назад

I am very interested in the lock and key and the invasion tones. Are you saying they didnt use JCM 800s? And which plexi is it? 67?

@4dmind 8 месяцев назад

I could see a Laney producing that tone - especially the older Laney's from that time period. I always wanted one, but went down the boutique modded JCM path - which is a different tone. In fact, I would love to have a vintage Laney now, just to experiment. Great story though.

@scottgoodson5132 10 дней назад

@@4dmind Back in the 80’s, I believe Warren used Laney Amps (I could be wrong). During that period, a friend had a Laney 50 watt AOR head and a Laney 4-12” cab with Celestions. Pretty close to Warrens tone but not exactly.

@charlief. 2 года назад

You did a great job replicating that tone.

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

Thank man, appreciate the comment.👍

@aaronbayley6083 Год назад

@@ShredHeads Great job on that opening "Lay It Down" riff; your notes are clearly articulated. I think it would sound even closer if you turned up the reverb a bit.

@billyshears6622 Год назад

Warren said it was a Fender Super Champ wired to 1 EV 200W speaker in an Orange 4x12. Pickup was likely a Duncan JB.

@jerk_store 10 месяцев назад

Warren specifically that was his *lead* guitar sound. Beau Hill said Warren had bought a bunch of Marshalls while on the Cellar tour. Warren brought them to the Invasion sessions, test driving each one, while in the same room as the cabinet. Because it was so loud, by the end, Warren ears were ringing and couldn't really tell the difference between the amps. Later, Beau plugged Warren into a different Marshall and Warren said that's the one. The funny thing is, this was a Marshall owned by the studio and also the same Marshall used on Cellar. According to Beau, Warren didn't know any better. So they slapped a 57 on it (I assume sm57) and that was the sound. At this point, I have to assume this was his rhythm guitar sound. Full In Bloom has got the entire interview with Beau Hill.

@robbrooks693 Месяц назад

@@jerk_store I used to work at the studio this was recorded at. They went back for Dance and really really tried to get the same tone as Lay it Down (same room, same board, etc) but just couldn't get it. That said, I never heard that the amp was studio owned.

@rollipollirock 2 года назад

Martini tone is a maple fretboard guitar into a old Marshall, plexi or 800, Seymour Duncan jb and 25 watt celestion greenbacks in a cab.

@Scolecite Год назад

A "maple" fret board sound huh? This is debunked here on RU-vid, when going through an amp at least. Acoustically, I believe there is a difference, based on my own personal anecdotal data.

@mrcoatsworth429 Год назад

maple fretboard? 😂😂 And what kind of tone-nail polish did he wear when recording the riff?

@cheenu711 27 дней назад

ah yes maple fretboard, do you also believe in lizard people?

@GregRickard 10 месяцев назад

U can play that riff as a double stop and its near enough. Just forget the index finger part and play the bottom 4 strings only. Heaps easier.

@ShredHeads 10 месяцев назад

Yes, I’ve seen many people play it differently. It can be simplified by playing it as you said.

@GregRickard 10 месяцев назад

@@ShredHeads makes it easier to pull off in a guitar shop :)

@jonasirw1 8 месяцев назад

I remember Warren saying he used his little Fender champ practice amp plugged into an orange cab..

@ShredHeads 8 месяцев назад

If it’s coming from the man himself it’s credible info.

@jonasirw1 8 месяцев назад

@@ShredHeads ru-vid.comB04aBmakmto?si=5xnn0rlouBcmJj8m

@AidanStutzman 3 месяца назад

He specified that that was his LEAD guitar sound, not the rhythms.

@brunosoupin2746 2 года назад

Marshall Plexi/JCM....Cab Greenbacks 25w...Front Amp: EQ mids boost and SD-1 For Solos: Carbon Copy

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

Don't forget the reverb. That's a big part of the tone of this song. The articles I mentioned do mention the lexicon pcm rack units. It's possible he used one of those units on the record.

@brunosoupin2746 2 года назад

@@ShredHeads Lexicon PCM 42 or 41

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

@@brunosoupin2746 or maybe Lexicon PCM 70

@frankkoller2622 Месяц назад

Get a Marshall 100w Super Lead plexi amp head, Two Marshall 4/12 cabinets loaded with Celestion 25w Green Back speakers, On the head, jump channel 1 (input #2) to channel 2 (input #1) and your 3/4 of the way there! 🎸

@dnantis Год назад

I just subscribed and liked.....can you do the Neal Schon tone and can it be done on VST simulations like Amplitube, Guitar Rig or Neural DSP ?? Thanks

@ShredHeads Год назад

Yes, you can get a great tone now a days with some good plug ins. I don't currently make videos about plug ins because I don't own any. I might make plug in videos in the future if enough people request it. You can still get a good amount of info from my videos that you could apply to the plug in settings and pre sets.

@eddiejr540 Год назад

Neal Schon has one of the most complex tones I’ve ever tried to copy…its smooth and warm, not harsh or ice-picky…I can’t get it…great stuff bro!!!!

@ShredHeads Год назад

@@eddiejr540 yep, there are tones out there that are just incredibly hard to replicate.

@ddguitars1969 19 дней назад

Now do george lynch on the second.lynch mob album....been after that one for years!

@brianmchale7841 5 месяцев назад

Round and round. Was played with Laney

@briandgr8st 2 года назад

Awesome tone! Pls share your Fractal Ratt Tone Preset🙏🙏🙏

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

thanks dude, I made a separate video where I go over the preset. I did upload the preset to axe change so check that video out.

@briandgr8st 2 года назад

@@ShredHeads nice! Thanks much

@briandgr8st 2 года назад

Thanks for uploading in Axechange. What pickups are you using? Did you double track this recording? Tone sounds huge and clear. Is it in stereo? Did you use spdif cable and what audio interface do you use? Thanks

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

@@briandgr8st I don't know what pick ups that PRS has but they are the stock ones. The beginning riff is mono but once the drums come in its double tracked. that's what i hear on the record. the key to getting it to sound big and full is the reverb. I would use a nice stereo reverb similar to what we hear on the actual record.

@briandgr8st 2 года назад

@@ShredHeads Thanks bro appreciate the advice.

@baristart123 8 месяцев назад

Got more useful info in the comments section than the entire video.

@ShredHeads 8 месяцев назад

Smart, we all know how accurate and believable RU-vid comments are.

@chesteruwu125 9 месяцев назад

We need some Michael Schenker tone like rock bottom or save yourself Even what happens to me

@frankkoller2622 Месяц назад

Marshall 100w Super Lead plexi

@vannmagruder9038 6 месяцев назад

I saw martini used a fender super champ

@ashuzguitar Год назад

Could you please recommend some good cabinets? Those that you've tried and those that sound good to you. 🤘🎸

@ShredHeads Год назад

The speaker is going to be the biggest difference in any cab. There are of course cabinets that are made better but that shouldn’t affect the sound that much. The celestion V30 & the greenback 25w are the industry standard. If you want classic rock tones there is also the celestion black back. Used cabs often sound better because the speaker is worn in. It will sound a bit warmer and less harsh.

@briandgr8st 2 года назад

Did you use the neck or bridge pickip?

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

Bridge

@robertb8673 10 месяцев назад

I'm practicing it. Got the chord stretch, but 🤕🤚👈

@ShredHeads 10 месяцев назад

There are other easier ways to practice it. I think Leon Todd made a video about how to play it easier.

@robertb8673 10 месяцев назад

@@ShredHeads i knew that some of the Guitarists "cheated". 😏 I haven't played for a year and need to stretch the "ol grabbers" anyway. No cheatin for me. 🤷‍♂️

@amfk8079 2 года назад

nerual dsp soldano is the easiest/cheapest way

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

I know that the neural stuff is good but keep in mind that not everyone has a decent computer with a recording interface and some decent monitors.

@amfk8079 2 года назад

@@ShredHeads I'd argue it's cheaper then a tube head. 400 laptop and 250 for a interface and headphones. Focuseite scarlet and audio Technica ath M50x and you are there for 650

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

@@amfk8079 its certainly an option but there are cheap tube heads out there as well if you want to go for something analog.

@amfk8079 2 года назад

@@ShredHeads I had my share when I was a teen, 5150, 5152, mesa single and dual rectifier, marshal dsl 50, tsl 100. jcm 900, jcm 800. tubes are impossible to get right now, you can buy one of these amp sims for 150$ maybe twice a year and have a whole new setup. its not the 80s anymore unfortunately. You can also run your whole live show through a DAW so it makes the cost of starting a band almost nothing

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

@@amfk8079 I get what you are saying, If I were touring professionally I would use a Kemper or axe fx. The modern stuff we have now is so much more convenient. I'll try to mention some plug in's for future episodes. I just hadn't done my research as to how much they were but I just looked up some of the more popular ones and they seem to be priced at a good price.

@zikkicharade 2 года назад

You didnt even played the 0s on the 6th string😂😂😂😂

@ShredHeads 2 года назад

There are different ways you can play and interpret this riff. I play the D note on the 5th string. The stretches are notoriously difficult so you will see many people play it different ways.

@eddiejr540 Год назад

@@ShredHeads ….agreed, I have medium size hands and on a strat style guitar the stretches kill my hand…same with the outro on bark at the moon…it freakin hurts!!

@joker57 9 месяцев назад

Try a G shape off the 10th fret 6th string D note.

@chopperdeath 8 месяцев назад

$9000 for a Metaltronix amp. Yeah no way.

@ShredHeads 8 месяцев назад

9k, they regularly sell for way less.

@robbrooks693 Месяц назад

It's funny how many guitarists said they were using "X" and had their stage lined with the amps but behind the amp was a 50W Plexi, JMP or JCM800. Metaltronix were a cheap amp back in the day and noone used them. They sounded like a buzzsaw.

@morganthus6323 9 месяцев назад

Not even close. Wtf?

@ShredHeads 9 месяцев назад

I’m sure you got the tone down perfectly. I’m sure the whole internet will agree so please post your amazing tone. 😂

@morganthus6323 9 месяцев назад

@@ShredHeads Ben Eller does though 🫵🏻🥔

@ShredHeads 9 месяцев назад

@@morganthus6323 notice how ben eller didn't leave a negative comment. good players don't hate on each other. ive seen his video, thought his tone was good but not perfect. i would never leave some dumb comment claiming his tone sucks.

@morganthus6323 9 месяцев назад

@@ShredHeads this tone isnt close though. Needed to be said. Otherwise you might go on thinking it resembles the original track in any way, shape or form.

@ShredHeads 9 месяцев назад

@@morganthus6323 if you can't prove you could do better. Your opinion holds no weight at all.