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How to Structure the Third Quarter 

Ellen Brock
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How to structure your novel's third quarter, including the midpoint, dark night of the soul, and second plot point.
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@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Hello everyone! I'm finally back with a new video. I had COVID twice, but I'm almost fully recovered now. Hope you've all been well! I'm excited to be finishing up the story structure series in the next video. I'll be doing some additional structural videos here and there moving forward, but let me know what else you want to see next! Thanks!
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
I'm so glad you're back! Please stock up on vitamin C, D, NAC (found in fresh garlic), protein, etc... The writing world needs you!
@LeviathantheMighty
@LeviathantheMighty 2 года назад
Hi Ellen! Can you think of any stories where you said, "Wow. How was that a good story? It didn't follow any standard structure, no three act, no midpoint, maybe no real inciting incident or no resolution."? I was wondering if something doesn't have enough structure if it would just be like real life, or like a documentary, or how-to, but not a story.
@BlueyMcPhluey
@BlueyMcPhluey 2 года назад
really glad you are doing better, your last video had me worried!
@PaulRWorthington
@PaulRWorthington 2 года назад
Could be -- I think a story with *astounding* levels of characterization and emotion, or an amazing premise, or excellence in one or more of the other aspects of a story -- *could* work, could be entertaining etc without a good structure... But it could still be so *much better* if it did provide the emotional and intellectual benefits yielded by story structure.
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
@@LeviathantheMighty I'm not Ellen, but Memento was a great movie.
@Sleepcycle831
@Sleepcycle831 9 месяцев назад
After 17 drafts and no formal story structure knowledge, I’m shocked that the first, second and fourth quarters of my manuscript follow what your videos have described so closely. It’s funny how throwing enough hours at this project has brought me to such a place. I had a beta reader comment that they were expecting a more obvious midpoint and that it caused the plot to move a little slow, which is what eventually brought me to this channel. Thanks to you, I now have a plan of action to tighten the final screws and get this thing done. You rock.
@xChikyx
@xChikyx 2 года назад
with no exaggeration, these are ones of the best videos in youtube 🙌🏻
@MadailinBurnhope
@MadailinBurnhope 2 года назад
I really love how you're not afraid to use children's stories as a way to illustrate how these beats work; at least for me, it makes it simple enough to understand *and* easy to see how I might apply it to more "adult" work (I'm writing something YA, so I need that clarity, while the emotional beats are slightly more complex)
@xensonar9652
@xensonar9652 2 года назад
I can get tons of inspiration from children's books and films. Disney and Pixar are masters at storytelling. All all those Penguin classics I used to read as a kid are baked into my writer DNA.
@MadailinBurnhope
@MadailinBurnhope 2 года назад
@@xensonar9652 I'm writing a horror novel and I'm still inspired by children's stuff
@xensonar9652
@xensonar9652 2 года назад
@@MadailinBurnhope A lot of the old fairytales are basically horror stories to scare kids into behaving. Some of them are a wild read. Still, there must be something there, because Hollywood still pillages them to this day.
@sweettea6309
@sweettea6309 2 года назад
I've watched over 20 different youru e novel writers videos for help and you're the only one that I feel explains it simply . The cut away to bullet points help tremendously because it allows me to write down the point and refer to them as needed. Please do not change that format Einstein said if you can't explain it simply enough for a child to understand then you do not understand it yourself. Can you please make a video on writing scifi novels in regards to the aliens point of view. I get confused about is it okay to use earth words for example. Door and chair or kingdom etc I get confused if that makes the alien civilization seem unrealistic or should I make up terms or be extra and instead of ayih door I should say entrance or entrance way.. do you get what I'm saying? Thanks
@CitizenMio
@CitizenMio 23 дня назад
​@sweettea6309 Your comment is two years old, so I hope you've solved it by now, but for anyone reading your question and wondering about the same, here's some thoughts: You should write as if the whole book has been translated to modern English. This is true whether your story takes place in medieval times or on a completely alien world. A good example of this is how Tolkien handled this in the Lord of the Rings. None of the characters are actually speaking English, most of them speak Westron. Which in Tolkien lore is the predecessor to English. Yet the book is presented as if translated for modern audiences (well 1950's audiences). Ofc, you want your world and your aliens to feel alien, so you add in a little flavour. Like Tolkien does with names of characters and locations. Sprinkle in the occasional concept/expression or alien spice that just isn't easily translated or doesn't have an equivalent on Earth. We do this with translations from other cultures on earth as well, so it feels natural. It should however always be clear from context what the word is referring to and you should restrain yourself. You don't want to turn your novel into the Jabberwocky. While that nonsense poem was designed to be obscure yet still comprehensible, your readers will run away screaming if you try to write an entire novel like that. Though it has been done, people often complain about that being a reason they hate hard fantasy for instance. So your pool of potential readers will shrink fast. You should therefore try to reserve your alien terms for things that matter a lot to your story. If your alien doors function much the same like earth doors (hole in wall with covering that is easily replaced) you should just call them doors. If they're high tech teleportation devices between rooms, portals will suffice. If you have many different kinds of portals you can call these ones room or house portals. Only as a last resort should they be Brillig Portals. Unless the story leads to the fabled Brillig Portal. The downside is that this will likely paint a picture of bipedal hominids. If this offends your 16 legged chitinous floating squids, you have to work a bit harder to describe their differences. A description of a chair as some type of tall cradle with resting holes for all 16 legs in some bizarre shape could help. But afterwards the thing is still a chair. Names present a slightly different challenge. Tolkien had it easy there because he was delving from our own history. But while your aliens are probably called things like xhchztd-ibbrlld-pblrb and his gorgeous six eyed wife xhchztd-ibbrjld-pblrb, your human readers will no doubt get a bit confused. The names also don't hold the same meaning to us as it does to the aliens. While you could go for the native American stereotype of man-that-hunts-bears, we normally don't translate names. Sometimes the ideas the names conjure, are important. That's why the character names in Harry Potter have been translated to many different languages. Though not all have been well received by everyone speaking those languages. But Harry Potter also started out as a series aimed at children. A compromise is giving your aliens nicknames that stick better with us humans, but sound exotic enough. You could make your characters do this on their own, which usually works for fantasy. Kaluthaedigror becoming kal to friends. Or with sci-fi it's not unreasonable to have the whole thing be intercepted and parced by some universal translator or a dedicated researcher. Nicknaming our alien Bral and his wife Rajel.
@A.H._
@A.H._ 2 года назад
i’m so glad you are better now! i got worried when i found out you’ve been sick. welcome back!!! you were dearly missed ❤️
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Thank you so much! I am much better now!
@Jerry.Bingham
@Jerry.Bingham 2 года назад
Sorry to hear you were sick. I wondered what happened to my writer's inspiration/fix. Good that you are feeling better-please get back to 100% soon. Many here appreciate your insights.
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
I just want to thank you for one of your other videos. I normally write / design / produce video games. In games we can show the player our super awesome deep world in a 2 minute cutscene. When I attempted to write my first book, I did the Chapter 1 Lore Dump, and my inciting incident wasn't until Chapter 3. I wrote Chapter 1 over and over and over... it wasn't working. In a video you said, "Your audience only needs the lore for the current chapter and maybe the next one." Something clicked and I restructured the story and everything fell into place. So, thank you so much for that!!! (Then I got hired to make a bunch of games, and got too busy to write.)
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
I'm so glad you found that video helpful! Also congrats on your success in video games!
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
@@EllenBrock Thank you! I've worked with some of the best creative minds on Earth and I always recommend YOU to everyone who wants to write or learn about story structure or writing in general. You're the best.
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
@@Poisonedblade Wow, thank you so much!
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
​@@EllenBrock My pleasure!
@marigold_kim
@marigold_kim 2 года назад
So excited to see this video!! Thank you Ellen for your content, hope you just keep feeling better!!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Me too! Thank you!
@Poisonedblade
@Poisonedblade 2 года назад
I was already having a pretty good day and then one of your videos appeared!!!
@PaulRWorthington
@PaulRWorthington 2 года назад
Another helpful lesson with great presentation. Thanks! And speaking of your presentation, I was admiring just how long you seemed to be speaking without cuts or errors or apparently reading a script, so I'm guessing you have made or are on the verge of a complete recovery!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Yes, I am almost back to normal! Thank you! And I'm very glad you found the video helpful.
@queenkanu5933
@queenkanu5933 2 года назад
Welcome back Ellen! I hope you are doing much better with your health. Thank you for taking out time to come back to us. Blessings! Now, let me watch!
@secretcaptivation
@secretcaptivation 2 года назад
Oh, my goodness, I’m so happy to see you! And glad you’re feeling better.
@kat8559
@kat8559 2 года назад
Very helpful!!! Thank you!!!!
@pamelaabdou9069
@pamelaabdou9069 2 года назад
Welcome back 😍
@biglogan6142
@biglogan6142 2 года назад
Glad to see you back and looking healthy!!! :)
@Asminae391
@Asminae391 2 года назад
It's great to see you again, welcome back!
@Buffal0K
@Buffal0K 2 года назад
I've been eagerly looking forward to this one!! Welcome back!!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Thank you! I hope you find it helpful!
@SandraL489
@SandraL489 3 месяца назад
Thank you! I'm listening because I was stuck in writing at beyond the midpoint and switching between listening and working on my outline gave me some hints at problems as well as new, better ideas for filling in the coming plot points of my skeleton outline. Thank you!!
@RobinEgbertss
@RobinEgbertss 2 года назад
So happy you're feeling better and back with a new video! You really have the best way of explaining things. I can never find anyone else who breaks down these plot point so clearly. I have been *struggling* with the third quarter of my stories you have no idea. What you broke down into three separate moments I had so far only written down as one vague big muddle of a point. Thank you so much!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
I'm so glad the video helped! Thank you!
@starrymeadowhomestead6738
@starrymeadowhomestead6738 2 года назад
I cannot tell you how helpful this series is proving to be as I work my way through drafting the first novel I've written since discovering that I am not, in fact, a Pantser as I believed I was for years. Realizing (thanks to your videos about writer types) that I am actually an intuitive plotter has been revolutionary, and this series about structuring has been an amazing resource to lean on as I re-learn with a new and better process.
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
That is so great to hear!
@qine6559
@qine6559 2 года назад
It is like CHRISTMAS!!!!!! ❤️💎❤️💎 Edit:typo
@mattbell5602
@mattbell5602 2 года назад
Hell yes, can’t wait to watch. Glad you’re feeling better 👍
@joesjoeys
@joesjoeys 2 года назад
The triumphant return! I hope you've taught covid a lesson and to not come 'round here no more! I'm thrilled about this video as I have been struggling with a re-write from first drafts and shifting things around made the opening better but things still feel messy at about this exact point (due to said restructuring). Thank you for these awesome videos and now that you've vanquished covid TWICE!! I look forward to future videos.
@kakirogo
@kakirogo 2 года назад
Hi Ellen! Glad to see you back and hope you're feeling better 😊 I was wondering if you'd consider doing a video on magic systems in writing!
@CNBlaze-qj7fg
@CNBlaze-qj7fg 2 года назад
Glad to see you back! I found this one very useful. Thanks so much!
@Pumpkinshaker
@Pumpkinshaker 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this video!🤩❤️
@LoveSaidNo
@LoveSaidNo 2 года назад
You‘re back! Fantastic!
@gamewriteeye769
@gamewriteeye769 2 года назад
Before watching the video, I do think the second quarter and third quarter can be combined in a way depending on the scale and scope you are working with (you know, think of it like this; you have a line in the first quarter, it wobbles slightly, the second quarter it begins to bloat, the third quarter it is at a standstill of the seams the line can stretch too; the final quarter is about either poking the bloat to deflate it instantly or slowly releasing it through the other end of the line(fast or slow to the finish).
@Thesilverninja
@Thesilverninja 2 года назад
When you listed "The Kid" I looked it up on IMDB and was like, "There's an 8 year old kid in the Billy the Kid movie with Ethan Hawke? Does Billy the Kid learn how to become a criminal through a child?" Then I saw "THE KID" with Bruce Willis from 2000 and I was like "OHHHHHH." Ha ha ha. First, glad you're feeling better. My wife and I just recovered from Covid last week and it sucked as much as everyone said. Just awful. Second, I'm glad you listed all these examples because I did a comparison with my current book and managed to check the boxes. So I'm really happy to see that all the writing advice I had been following and trying to practice is finally paying off. Thank you for the educational content!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Yes, in the previous video I called it "Disney's The Kid," but I totally forgot to do that in this one. Sorry to hear you and your wife were sick, but I'm glad you've recovered. It is no fun at all! I'm glad you found the video helpful and that you already checked all the boxes!
@soodsona
@soodsona 2 года назад
Ellen, I’ve recently discovered this series and been finding it extremely useful, Thankyou so much for making these videos. Could you also make some tutorials on how to write scenes? I saw some older content on your channel on scene structure but would love to have an updated more polished and detailed version. Thanks again!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
That's a good idea, thank you!
@a.beckles6656
@a.beckles6656 2 года назад
Welcome back. I appreciate your insight as an editor and concrete examples as a teacher.
@diegooland1261
@diegooland1261 Год назад
I struggle in the third quarter. This video helped me improve my story structure.
@TheImpostenator
@TheImpostenator 10 месяцев назад
This series is just fantastic. I have struggled alot with my second and third quarters and your videos have been an invaluable resource i keep coming back to. I dont leave comments often but I wanted to say that I think you are providing some of the best writing advice on the Internet.
@magorzatamarjanska5500
@magorzatamarjanska5500 Год назад
Thank you from Poland. I am so pleased I found you.
@karmachameleon326
@karmachameleon326 2 года назад
Very useful, very clear, and really helped crystallize my own third quarter plotting. Thanks!
@andreaquinn6180
@andreaquinn6180 2 года назад
Thank you for this! I have absolutely loved this series and get so excited every time there is a new installment. Your analysis of plot structure is so great and has helped me think critically about and work through some of my more persistent gaps in understanding. An example: In Save the Cat! Writes a Novel (which I love and have read multiple times), the author analyzes the Hunger Games and says there is no decision to transition into the second quarter because Katniss has no choice. When you pointed out that her decision was about whether she would try to win, it blew my mind. Please keep up the great work! I hope you continue to feel better.
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Thank you so much for your kind words and well wishes. I'm really glad you're finding the videos helpful!
@mischarowe
@mischarowe 2 года назад
Great video. Thanks for the deep dive. :)
@firvantavan2793
@firvantavan2793 2 года назад
Yay! A new video from the best writing channel on youtube!
@jonanamar8503
@jonanamar8503 2 года назад
You're the best Ellen. Hope to have you as our editor soon! :)
@bigbiggoblin2873
@bigbiggoblin2873 2 года назад
Fantastic! I’m writing a second draft along to these videos.
@colleenkal
@colleenkal 2 года назад
It's great to see you looking and sounding healthy again! Thanks for carrying on with this series. It's so helpful when you provide examples and also when you distinguish different options or approaches to key points. So glad you're back!
@jills9758
@jills9758 2 года назад
I've been writing my novel mostly intuitively lately because I can't stick to an outline. I can already tell a lot of what I need to fix but I'm definitely not covering all my bases so these videos help a lot. I'm hoping to be done writing the draft this month so I'll be referencing all this for the big edit soon.
@ChangesOfTomorrow
@ChangesOfTomorrow 2 года назад
You deserve way more views! I hope your channels grows substantially
@clintoreilly
@clintoreilly 2 года назад
It's nice to have you back :)
@nealranson9442
@nealranson9442 2 года назад
After soaking up this latest run of videos and scribbling notes I wait with bated breath for your video on structuring the final quarter - hopefully your health continues and we can see this wonderful series completed :)
@PBaloo01
@PBaloo01 2 года назад
As usual, fantastic, in-depth content. Thank you!
@ericachan2849
@ericachan2849 2 года назад
Thanks so much Ellen, this was super helpful as I'm currently stuck in this section of my novel. And sorry to hear you had COVID recently - hope you're fully recovered now!
@sandraromano8357
@sandraromano8357 2 года назад
Hi Ellen, so glad you're back! Your videos have helped me so much. I was just thinking that it would be amazing to watch you do a reaction video while commenting or breaking down the plot's structure, I would watch them all! Can't wait for the next video!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
I would really like to do that, but I'm a little unsure about copyright strikes on RU-vid.
@aidenwinter1117
@aidenwinter1117 2 года назад
It’s refreshing to see you again 🙌 satisfying to see how far you’ve come. Glad you’ve been recovering well!
@igamergirl14
@igamergirl14 2 года назад
It's going to be very fun when the full story outline videos are done since then I'll never have to wonder about what I need to do for my stories again xD But seriously though the way you describe and use examples and bullet points is extremely helpful!!
@valeriacpla6320
@valeriacpla6320 2 года назад
I am glad you u are feeling better
@honeyluv32690
@honeyluv32690 2 года назад
Omg i'm so freaking happy you're back!! this series is my life line! LOL the best!!!
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
Awww, thank you!
@asharablack
@asharablack 2 года назад
Your videos are the first time I've ever had story structure explained to me in so much detail! And to my surprise, almost all of these plot points occur in the story I'm writing, even though I didn't know anything about structure. I guess I'm more intuitive than I thought :)
@EllenBrock
@EllenBrock 2 года назад
That's awesome!
@AvalynGirl
@AvalynGirl 2 года назад
This is great, thank you! Waiting on pins and needles for your Q4 video (hoping that's next!). This morning I just wrote 1k words of story framework to re-structure a 50k-word Nanowrimo project YA quirky dark fantasy book I never finished because I was pantsing it, and it finally looks like the cohesive plot I intended it to be in the first place. Hope you have fully recovered by now and are feeling better!
@barchetta575m
@barchetta575m 2 года назад
Writing powerful dialogue!
@olgar8742
@olgar8742 2 года назад
Thank you for your videos! Maybe you could include some examples from the Romance genre in the future, please? Especially in the 4th quarter video :) Keep up the great work! Get well! :)
@al-hf5qj
@al-hf5qj Год назад
You're my writer's block medicine
@JoyLuxeHieroTarot
@JoyLuxeHieroTarot Год назад
Your content is fantastic. Thank you! It also just so happens that your competition sucks. Thanks so much ✨ humble, to the point, helpful, and interesting. Ellen Brock rocks 💖
@edwinleskin3112
@edwinleskin3112 2 года назад
Thanks Ellen you rock
@ichbifeuertrunk
@ichbifeuertrunk 2 года назад
Great video! Can't wait for the next one!
@giantpizzafish
@giantpizzafish 2 года назад
EBNE!
@HandSanitizerAttack
@HandSanitizerAttack 2 года назад
slay queen destroy the competition snatch all the wigs make everyone shooketh
@HandSanitizerAttack
@HandSanitizerAttack 2 года назад
(That is to say that I enjoyed the video! Thanks.)
@vanessafowler9923
@vanessafowler9923 2 года назад
This was such a helpful video. Thank you, Ellen!!
@didutasev4427
@didutasev4427 Год назад
As always, a great compehensive video. Thank you.
@Madellien
@Madellien Год назад
These videos are so helpful!
@silverbolt6699
@silverbolt6699 2 года назад
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@mvphamza3366
@mvphamza3366 2 года назад
Amazing advices
@mrplatink
@mrplatink 2 года назад
That's where I am right now!
@Grognard-Solo-Gaming
@Grognard-Solo-Gaming 2 года назад
Hi! Could I ask you to make a playlist of all your videos? For people like me, who like to binge watch/listen?
@debraastin5586
@debraastin5586 2 года назад
Most of the advice on RU-vid is that an agent is a must for submitting a novel. Is this also true for novellas?
@thomaslarson459
@thomaslarson459 Год назад
Heckin yeah this has helped.
@chiron13
@chiron13 2 года назад
You are one of the few young female novel editors/ writers giving useful advice on writing fiction, without pushing an agenda.
@mullac1992
@mullac1992 2 года назад
Why would you spoil Shrek for me?? 😭
@andypowder2146
@andypowder2146 2 года назад
Amazin'
@jose11032
@jose11032 Год назад
I would love to see this point by point written. What structure is this, Can anybody help me find the right template?
@fahmidazeidan8382
@fahmidazeidan8382 2 года назад
Would this layout or points work in a book series as well?
@cosmicprison9819
@cosmicprison9819 Год назад
Buzz Lightyear should be a conservative hero, thinking about it: The entire message of his arc in the first Toy Story movie seems to be “You can’t save the world; focus on your family / local community.” 🤔
@cosmicprison9819
@cosmicprison9819 Год назад
Is the Second Plot Point in your framework the disaster, dark moment, and aha moment all in one? 🤔
@santoshsuryawanshi4845
@santoshsuryawanshi4845 2 года назад
Do you provide online tutorials for writing?
@santoshsuryawanshi4845
@santoshsuryawanshi4845 2 года назад
I mean workshop or something
@PeterMacansky
@PeterMacansky Год назад
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