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Toby Hendy ('Tibees'), Matthew Schuchman ('Overdue Rentals') and Julian O'Shea face a question about a consultant who suggests some cuts.
LATERAL is a weekly podcast about interesting questions and even more interesting answers, hosted by Tom Scott. For business enquiries, contestant appearances or question submissions, visit www.lateralcas...
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Toby Hendy: ‪@tibees‬, / tobyhendy
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HOST: Tom Scott.
QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
RECORDED AT: The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
EDITED BY: Julie Hassett.
GRAPHICS: Chris Hanel at Support Class. Assistant: Dillon Pentz.
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FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd.
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
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@deetybaby 11 месяцев назад

I thought it was to test security and say “look I managed to get to the office of the CEO with a chainsaw”

@eloquentlyemma 11 месяцев назад

I thought that as well🙁

@TallinuTV 11 месяцев назад

That was my second idea - penetration testing, basically.

@bloodalchemy 11 месяцев назад

That was my exact idea.

@aq_lkpc_1013 11 месяцев назад

Me too

@thespankmyfrank 11 месяцев назад

Guess a lot of us thought that 😅

@adammullarkey4996 11 месяцев назад

The answer to this one is obvious. He's the Canadian guy who chopped down the power lines, pitching a business idea for a new wilderness survival kit. EDIT: Wow, I was closer than I expected.

@lucbloom 11 месяцев назад

Ok, you expected to be at the opposite of the answer then 😂

@blueplayer6197 11 месяцев назад

@@lucbloom Nah, he is almost right, it's the Canadian chainsaw guy, he is running a business where he checks for... survival of things. He's all about electricity and chainsaws.

@Amanda-C. 11 месяцев назад

Okay, I'm with the I.T. guy. You can be very confident in your backup and still highly reluctant to actually test them. I know, at some point, you have to do it. But, also, there's always a risk that you missed something. There's a valid use case for actually testing your disaster recovery plan, true. If you can do it non-destructively, then, yes, by all means. But. Putting any system that is actively operating into an abnormal state should never be done without preparation. You pick your time, and you have all hands in case something goes horribly wrong.

@dovos8572 11 месяцев назад

also it is really hard to predict what would happen to the flowing data if a server get's chipped apart bit by bit but not going down at once.

@lynsy9 11 месяцев назад

Also, I'd be a little afraid of the guy would cut the wrong thing and electrocute himself regardless of the backup situation.

@SharienGaming 11 месяцев назад

yeah im absolutely with you - that was one hell of a stupid CEO and the consultant sounds like an absolute con artist to me... a professional might suggest doing a test and lead with a question like "alright what if we shut this off right now", but any actual testing wouldnt happen... and showing up with a chainsaw is just downright unprofessional heck intentionally destroying your primaries to prove a point is a monumentally stupid position to begin with and it does not matter whether the secondaries work or not i would have called security on that hack the way you actually do a test like that is: step 1) you make a hard backup of everything and announce a maintenance period to your users 2) you have as many people ready to do damage control as possible in case something goes wrong 3) you start with a controlled failover and if that works fine then 4) you can go for a hard shutdown or even a power cut on the primaries, essentially simulating an uncontrolled failover and then 5) the engineers have a field day getting the original primaries back up and running properly while the secondaries run business as usual

@lmpeters 11 месяцев назад

There is actually a good rationale for testing disaster recovery on a live production system. If the IT guy knows that an outage is coming, then he can put precautions in place that he wouldn't be able to put in place in a true emergency, intentionally or otherwise. This is why Netflix uses a "chaos monkey" to randomly terminate running processes in their streaming service, and Amazon has even tested their disaster recovery by cutting power to live datacenters. Obviously, if you aren't fully confident in your disaster recovery plan, you need to work up to this gradually.

@TDPEquinox 11 месяцев назад

@@dovos8572 You'd lose whatever the last packet was, it'd discard any incomplete packets.

@danthe1st 11 месяцев назад

As a programmer, I can 100% understand that. Even after testing something a lot of times (including temporarily turning the "main server" off for testing), the backup can still fail when it's needed most.

@GoosterHiista 11 месяцев назад

My guess was a security consultant that smuggled a chainsaw through security to prove a point. Close enough.

@MyRegardsToTheDodo 11 месяцев назад

That was my guess aswell 20 seconds into the video. Might have been because I binge-watched White Collar lately, and the episode where Neal is tasked with thesting that bank's security is one of my favourites.

@PsyKosh 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, I was also thinking chainsaw person was a pentester or such.

@DuncanJimmy 11 месяцев назад

Same here. My only other guess was that he'd stolen a rival company's chainsaw so they could reverse engineer it or prove it violated a patent they owned.

@ItzRetz 11 месяцев назад

5:50 They were proving that the building's security was not adequate by sneaking a chainsaw into the meeting without anybody noticing, thus proving to the company that their security was not up to scratch and needed to be improved.

@TallinuTV 11 месяцев назад

My first idea was the guy who brought the chainsaw was a sales rep and he got paid because they decided to buy equipment from them. My second was penetration testing. “Look, I got in here with this chainsaw, it could have been anything! You need to work on your security…”

@Archgeek0 11 месяцев назад

Literally my line of thinking too. 'Thought it was a prototype product on offer, then potentially a very silly pen test showing their defense-in-depth was lacking enough for a guy with a chainsaw to just waltz in. XD

@Zadster 11 месяцев назад

Even if you have 100% confidence in the backup the problem is that, once you intentionally and irretrievably take out your live server, the backup IS now the live server - there is NO backup. You then tell the CEO that if you want a backup backup, he/she will have to pay approximately double what they are paying at the moment, in addition to whatever it cost to replace the hardware you just nuked. Now you watch *them* sweat.

@Indecisiveness-1553 11 месяцев назад

5:10 But it can’t be a drill; it’s a chainsaw!

@loddude5706 11 месяцев назад

I had the CEO & head buyer of a private hospital viewing new surgical tools for their proctology dept! (Pre-Python song, tiny chainsaws WERE used for surgery : )

@BigDavie2000 11 месяцев назад

Chainsaws were actually invented for surgery, tree chopping came later.

@dryued6874 11 месяцев назад

Alright, to be fair, I'd probably be nervous even if the backup was reliable. The reason is that they're not _completely_ reliable. In situations where companies have failover datacenters and stuff, there are usually annual disaster recovery tests specifically to check if the failover works as intended. Basically there are usually enough risks to make it undesirable to demolish a production rack for giggles.

@majorfallacy5926 11 месяцев назад

I wouldn't be nervous even if there was no backup. It's not *my* data after all...

@Anaicyl 11 месяцев назад

It would also mean that you then no longer have a backup system (because one of your two systems was just destroyed)

@dryued6874 11 месяцев назад

@@Anaicyl That's exactly why the ideal state is 3+ backups. They definitely do this for storage.

@bhambhole 11 месяцев назад

I very much liked the guests on this episode. Great dynamics.

@autumn_west 11 месяцев назад

TOBY ON THE SHOW YES

@gljames24 11 месяцев назад

My prediction was that they sold chainsaws and were showing off the new model.

@korbindallas4552 11 месяцев назад

I thought he was selling chainsaw cases to a manufacturer of chainsaws.

@happyconstructor 11 месяцев назад

My first thought was that OSHA had come to crack down on some violations, and said “you can either pay your fees or we cut down this dangerous object right now”

@lucashipkins 11 месяцев назад

I love Julian, so glad to see him here!

@azathoth3700 11 месяцев назад

My first thought was penetration testing, proving that a deadly weapon could be brought into the office through security.

@woutervanr 11 месяцев назад

Well that sounds dangerous. I can imagine the IT guy not being fond of the idea even if his backup was quite good.

@paulweber1740 11 месяцев назад

Every time I see the thumbnail for a Lateral video, the theme song plays in my head before I click. Great job on that!

@shibarmyburnz1978 11 месяцев назад

Very happy to have Toby on an EP

@VinnieBartilucci 2 месяца назад

"Malcolm solves his problem with a chainsaw...and he never has the same problem twice."

@chasm9557 3 месяца назад

The first thing that popped into my head was a professional chainsaw juggler. The next thought was a pen tester proving that there was a flaw in a company's physical security in a theatric way.

@rolfs2165 Месяц назад

Somewhere along that discussion of scaring the other person, my thoughts veered of towards "salary negotiation".

@Sarunoni 11 месяцев назад

After a while I thought it was a magician's show. Still entertaining for anyone on sidelines, I'd imagine

@MrSonny6155 11 месяцев назад

Pen test by means of verbal threat. Brilliant.

@Slikx666 11 месяцев назад

The first thing I thought of was Gunnar Hansen or Mark Burnham turning up for their audition. That would have been awesome.

@RonNewsham 11 месяцев назад

I remember reading Jon's article back in the late 80's/early 90's in Personal Computer Workd or similar magazine. First lateral highlight I knew from the start!

@soumitrakandpal 11 месяцев назад

I read a story that a newly elected US President was being briefed by head of secret service that in case of emergency they can have a helicopter on white house lawn in 2 minutes and the president said "OK let's see. Bring the helicopter right now"

@EslennaBrof 11 месяцев назад

my first thought was a judgement of Solomon cut the baby in half situation, like the two people were arguing about who owned something and called the guy to solve the dispute and he went "I cut it in two with this chainsaw and you both get half" and then decided who got the thing based on how they felt about that.

@ecchikitty1395 11 месяцев назад

I was thinking they sold chainsaws, here's the look of next season's model.

@PianoKwanMan 11 месяцев назад

He threatened to cut down a sycamore tree in Northern England

@techno1561 5 месяцев назад

Honestly thought, like a lot of people that it was a pentest trick to show that if someone can smuggle a whole chainsaw into the CEO's office, they could do much worse. 6:30 (Spoilers Below) I feel like the nervousness could also be due to the looming paperwork headache that would come with having to replace the chainsawed servers, and set them all up correctly, (in addition to the general antsiness of having someone wield a chainsaw and threatening to break your stuff with it), rather than any lack of confidence in the backups not being as good as they should be.

@Sir_Uncle_Ned 10 месяцев назад

I may have to implement the chainsaw test

@wojciechwilimowski985 11 месяцев назад

Now that's penetration testing

@matthewdejesu2115 10 месяцев назад

I figured it might’ve been a guy selling bulk chainsaws for the company but the two guys having a role threw that out the window. Also who would pay someone for bulk chainsaws without demonstrating them. Lol this was a good one

@Hex... 10 месяцев назад

At the question prompt alone I assumed the man was a chainsaw salesman

@TheVoidSinger 11 месяцев назад

I had completely forgotten this story, although the version I heard involved cutting down a power pole, not taking it directly to the server.

@MyRegardsToTheDodo 11 месяцев назад

I think I watched too much White Collar lately. My first thought 20 seconds into the video: The guy with the chainsaw was tasked to test the company's security for flaws and he managed to find one big enough to smuggle a chainsaw into the building. The CEO gladly paid because now they could close that hole in their security, before somebody with really bad intentions misused it.

@teamcyeborg 11 месяцев назад

My first assumption was that they were on Shark Tank, and chainsaw guy had made some novel new startup involving a brand-new form of chainsaw or something.

@mondrus72 11 месяцев назад

I wonder if the IT Consultant - Jon Honeyball is the person of the same name who contributes to PC Pro magazine. Fairly unusual name and in the same industry also.

@lohphat 10 месяцев назад

Chainsaws are also used for wood and ice sculptures.

@spacewarpphotography1667 11 месяцев назад

New on Netflix this fall, King Soloman, CEO.

@RoryIsNotACabbage 11 месяцев назад

One hour after this released project farm released a video comparing chainsaws

@ItzRetz 11 месяцев назад

They were testing that safety feature that stops the chainsaw instantly if it touches skin, and they were able to demonstrate it without actually using the chainsaw by showing the mechanism triggering when it touched someone's skin.

@DannyJay93 11 месяцев назад

That's what I thought! Definitely the loophole you'd expect "unused" to be implying.

@hannahk1306 4 месяца назад

My first thought was that he was selling chainsaws and at the end of the pitch they decided to buy some. I'm not sure that this approach actually says anything about the quality of the backups. I'm pretty sure that the IT person would have been pretty stressed out about someone wielding a chainsaw at his lovely expensive server and thinking about the hassle of replacing it. Also, you can never have 100% confidence in anything IT related, you just have to minimise the risk as much as possible.

@davecartwright6427 4 месяца назад

Blimey! I know Jon Honeyball so I've just insisted he tell this story to our mutual Facebook friends :-)

@Knusperfunk 4 месяца назад

My first guess was that someone invented a superior version of a chainsaw and showed the prototype to the CEO and the R&D guy, but since it had a combustion engine, he wouldn't test it indoors.

@DangerAngelous 11 месяцев назад

Oh no, the CEO has a chainsaw fetish…

@knghtbrd 10 месяцев назад

CAPTION ISSUE: There's a serious accessibility problem with the captions on these videos. There's a white on black, a light cyan on black, yellow on black, and … very dark green on black which is so low contrast that it's kind of unusable. Sometimes there have been a light green and a very dark green. The only control I have over this (per video) is to force them all white. If there's a way to better control the caption colors on the editing end vs. just saying "use another color" … the dark green isn't working well and I don't know how to fix it so it would.

@lateralcast 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for reaching out. That "very dark green" is actually quite a light green that's so bright that it's close to yellow. So I don't know if that's just your personal perception or you have a monitor or graphic card setting that has your green channel turned down extremely low? -- David

@DanielDugovic 11 месяцев назад

Ha, I knew it would be something security-related.

@TheRealInscrutable 11 месяцев назад

I'm surprised no one suggested using the chainsaw a musical instrument

@panda4247 11 месяцев назад

My guess is that he is from a marketing company, and they are talking about their new add for this company where they will "cut down the prices"

@charliedobbie8916 11 месяцев назад

Huh. I was wrong on this one, but I thought I recognised the story. Some years back a company had a nice big custom boardroom table made with some beautiful wood, inlaid this and detailed that, a real work of art - and the company decided to stiff the manufacturer as they figured it would too expensive to dismantle and remove from the building and there was no resale value for something that custom made. The manufacturer turned up with a chainsaw and threatened to just chop it in half. The company quickly decided to pay up.

@JoeGallantChurchComms 11 месяцев назад

Am I the only one that went to CEO getting divorced and the threat was to cut a precious item like a table or a car in half. Should I be thinking about becoming a mediator??

@Kumimono 11 месяцев назад

But, like, even if the backups worked, that'd still be an expensive piece of IT hardware, with a chainsaw through it. IT guy was right to object! I was actually thinking, this was literally the first chainsaw ever invented, but you'd want a demonstration, I'd think.

@mr88cet 9 месяцев назад

(My immediate thought was uncharacteristically dark for me, but I’ll mention it anyway.) He threatened to chainsaw them unless they paid him “a large fee.”

@nbartlett6538 4 месяца назад

It does say that they "happily" paid him the fee.

@firstcynic92 11 месяцев назад

He's a chainsaw salesman.

@Zack_Wester 11 месяцев назад

about halfway in I was like. when Tom said that it was not used I was wanting them to ask was it Reved/turned on and idling. (sound reason). like I was thinking was they testing sound in a room and someone went its easier for me to get the chainsaw and use that for the Measurement then waiting on the 10K special sound equipment. or some CEO going Chainsaws are not loud. some one whit a chainsaw shows up revs it and puts it into idle and CEO goes Never mind its Loud as heck.

@Leafsgobrrrrr 10 месяцев назад

Was it Bruce Campbell doing a speaking gig

@UnixTMDev 10 месяцев назад

The problem with the world is that eventually Lateral will run out of unused questions

@KernelLeak 11 месяцев назад

Ummm... It's one thing to test and verify your backups work, but it's an entirely different thing to do it by forcing the issue and requiring them to work that very instant, not to mention the property damage involved... D:

@darekpower 11 месяцев назад

I dont think they were actually gonna do it, Im pretty sure it was a setup to test the HEAD IT's reaction, and if he would be nervous or not.

@aviralgupta393 11 месяцев назад

not really different

@SharienGaming 11 месяцев назад

@@darekpower any head of IT would be nervous in that situation and the consultant is an absolute idiot - the only thing the consultant proved there was that they have an ego problem and love pointless grandstanding over gotcha questions

@lucbloom 11 месяцев назад

He needed to prove to the 1700’s Time Travelers club that he was a legitimate member to received subsidies.

@epiendless1128 11 месяцев назад

My guess was Penetration Testing. Not quite there, but close.

@chilanya 11 месяцев назад

just a salesman showing his latest model to a gardening supply chain would have been too obvious

@placeholdername0000 11 месяцев назад

Was guessing that the guy wanted to sell a patent related to chainsaws.

@cyborg98 11 месяцев назад

For some reason, my mind went to Quark and Garak in DS9. But Garak never used a chainsaw.

@samuelosei-nketiah2130 11 месяцев назад

3:51 someone plugged in their apple device. It's not relevant to anything but I just thought I'd point that out. Perhaps for some likes, possibly a heart.. meh

@adricortesia 11 месяцев назад

At first, I thought about the chainsaw as a tool to help with childbirth (look it up!). I'm not scared but I want to save lives.

@tgypoi 11 месяцев назад

If you work hard, you can buy yourself a chainsaw as nice as this one. Also, I think about Ice sculptures when I think about chainsaws.

@JohnDoe-tx8lq 2 месяца назад

Maybe just unplug the back up servers?!? 🤔 Save yourself a consultant fee. Plus, using a chainsaw would likely cause live cables and internal consonants to short-circuit, possibly causing damage to files you wouldn't get with just power cut.

@fifinoir 11 месяцев назад

My brain went it’s an emotional support chainsaw to help them get through an interview/presentation lol

@GoodWhinger 7 дней назад

The IT guy stopped him because he hadn't raised a change request.

@ji604 11 месяцев назад

Play DOOM on the job.

@KernelLeak 11 месяцев назад

*imagines Decino seeing the chainsaw and acting like it's not there*

@ji604 11 месяцев назад

@@KernelLeakAnd of course, he can (and does) just leave.

@SpikeMatthews 11 месяцев назад

Someone's been watching Die Hard

@stevezpj 11 месяцев назад

Too soon to talk about chainsaws with the Sycamore Gap news >_

@JowanCollier 11 месяцев назад

And I thought it was Eminem!

@PMX 11 месяцев назад

Consultant: "What would happen if I went into the datacenter and..." IT guy: "...the fire suppression system would then activate and you would asphyxiate..."

@joshuahillerup4290 Месяц назад

At the very least they should unplug it first

@JoelMatton 11 месяцев назад

Watching this clip made it dawn on me that I've never used a chainsaw, and now I want to. Using a chainsaw seems fun, chainsaws are cool.

@ymeynot0405 11 месяцев назад

@SirExal 11 месяцев назад

Malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw/ Malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw/ Malcolm solves his problems with a chainsaw/ And he never has the same problem twice!

@SlyPearTree 11 месяцев назад

I was thinking it was a lawyer for someone who got hurt using the chainsaw, he got it out to show a design fault that the company should have spotted so they settled.

@57thorns 11 месяцев назад

I think this was a penetration test. (Also, no comments on my screen yet)

@57thorns 11 месяцев назад

That is this person showed that the safety screening did not work.

@57thorns 11 месяцев назад

Not quite right there, but reasonably close.

@hartmuthermann1162 11 месяцев назад

My god. I've never been in love with someone as much as I am now. I know we'll never meet, but all my loving and all the strength for the future Toby.

@spacewarpphotography1667 11 месяцев назад

New on Netflix this fall, King Soloman, CEO.