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How To Use The Room Mode Calculator 

John Brandt
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HOW TO USE THE ROOM MODE CALCULATOR!
The spreadsheet calculator can be found on my resources page. www.jhbrandt.ne... Scroll down to 'Tools' and get the 'Room Mode Calculator' that suits your needs.
In this video I show HOW to use the calculator and what it can show you about your space. Please leave a comment and let me know if you have further questions.
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Music: "What Makes People" by Jimmy D.Lane
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@andrew_langner
@andrew_langner 5 лет назад
I think it is fantastic that someone is willing to share their knowledge with the world for little or no reward. thank you.
@TyboAudio
@TyboAudio 4 года назад
us nerds are very thankful 🙏
@drampadreg1386
@drampadreg1386 4 года назад
Wow, I sure wish I know about the prime number thing when I was sitting on the john with a calculator trying to figure out room dimensions with no standing waves. Over and over, three dimensions with every multiple of the fundamental frequency. I learn something every time I check out your channel, like how much time I was wasting. Thanks again.
@imdidi5695
@imdidi5695 3 года назад
I tried to cook a decent meal using that chart. Mission failed, but my future studio will sound awesome. TY sir, great video.
@LeoMakes
@LeoMakes 3 года назад
This is an absolute master class in acoustics! THANK YOU, John!
@killerfitz84
@killerfitz84 3 года назад
John for imparting your considerable knowledge. of learning shared here and on your site!
@MrCJHamill
@MrCJHamill 3 года назад
This video is excellent! Thank you very much. I've enjoyed playing around with your metric spreadsheet. I'm not going to build a studio but it's fascinating to play with the figures. Just as a learning exercise. I've often wondered about ideal home listening room dimensions. For Hi Fi music playback only. I imagine you could adapt these dimensions for home listening room dimensions as well. I'm going to play around with this spreadsheet for many hours! I'm determined to have a strong understanding of these principals!
@rodneyhanssen2641
@rodneyhanssen2641 3 года назад
Very cool of you to share content and tools like this. Thank you :)
@popularbeats777
@popularbeats777 3 года назад
Hats off, thank you very much for this kind of valuable information.
@jimigrok
@jimigrok Год назад
wow - thanks for that massiv informations ..
@alessioscoda5839
@alessioscoda5839 4 года назад
Greate video. Love it. I was reading your internet page . On your workflow pay attention that after point 5 come point 3 instead of point 6...
@pheldonmajors2999
@pheldonmajors2999 Год назад
Thank you Sir!
@amruthkorati
@amruthkorati 7 лет назад
Thanks john brandt you shared a valuable information. Downloaded all the pdf and excel sheet, need to study in depth. Thanks once again
@adityacjoe8044
@adityacjoe8044 2 года назад
Amazing choice for the intro XD. Thank you very much for this video :D
@PiotrKundu
@PiotrKundu Год назад
The Excel document is hiding under the "Tecnical Drawings Tools & Calculators" (yes, it's missing an "h") Menu/Tab at the bottom of the Resource page
@tomlucero7073
@tomlucero7073 7 лет назад
Thanks for the help! Awesome tool and resource!
@octaviodanieli
@octaviodanieli 2 года назад
Hi John! thanks for sharing all your knowledge and for made these videos. Would you explain how read the Control Room Broadband Trapping table? I understand the trap minimum but what are side position values? in reference to which thing? and what you mean with Rear Vent Opening? thank you so much!!
@phillong5808
@phillong5808 3 года назад
Thank you for the video
@jesperzeng
@jesperzeng 7 лет назад
Hey John, thank you for this video! Just to be slightly off subject from this topic of room modes, I am interested to know what are the differences between soft flush mount (which you did plenty of studios using this technique) vs Hard flush mount. The advantages and disadvantages between the two and what are the methods to overcome the disadvantages? Not trying to ask you to spill any of your trade secret though. ;) Perhaps you should totally do a video of it too! Thank you! Jesper
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 7 лет назад
Jesper Zeng, I think that will be the topic of a video. Thank you.
@jesperzeng
@jesperzeng 7 лет назад
Thank you John! I am absolutely looking forward to the upcoming video. ;) Great stuff you've got! Extremely informative for us engineers!
@TheeRocker
@TheeRocker 2 года назад
Nice John :D
@sq7507
@sq7507 2 года назад
Hi John! Awesome video mate! You can convey information really well! I have a question regarding treatment. So modes below my Schröder frequency should be treated using membrane traps and modes above it are treated using absorption and diffusion? Is that right?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 2 года назад
Thank you! Yes, use fiber for the velocity region and membrane or pressure traps for the pressure region. That is correct. Don't forget diffraction which can be a very powerful tool in your acoustics arsenal. :)
@yotamlifshitz
@yotamlifshitz 4 месяца назад
8:40 hey John, could you elaborate on that matter? the multiplication of the schroeder frequency by the √2.. what is that frequency tells us? We want to avoid resonances specifically below that frequency, but why this frequency and not above?
@plummetplum
@plummetplum 2 года назад
Hi John, have you got a video on how to use this for existing rooms? Thx
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 2 года назад
Not yet, sir. But you can plug in the numbers and see what you have. 😊 A lot of people get lucky with the room dimensions... Then again, many don't. Run the numbers and find out for sure.
@TeacherFlash
@TeacherFlash 5 лет назад
Hey John I am somewhat too stupid to even interpret the results even if I would manage to calculate the results. So um... idk can you tell me if 474 cm length 374 cm width and 310 cm height is okay? Please help... thanks a lot ! You are the man.
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 5 лет назад
You are NOT stupid sir. Thank you for trying... If you are in need of my personal help, send me an email and we can talk... john@jhbrandt.net
@q3dx
@q3dx 3 года назад
Hello and thank you very much for this information that you provide us. I have a question, is there a way to calculate the modes if the room is not parallepiped? I mean a room not "cubic".
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 3 года назад
It is very difficult to calculate the modes in a room that is not a rectangular cuboid. The best you can do is to average the dimensions.
@algandia8190
@algandia8190 7 лет назад
Thanks for explaining the spreadsheet. Had downloaded it and understood most of it. This cleared it up. According to the room you used as an example, you should have a RT60 of 300ms from 100hz-30hz. Above 100hz should be 240. Is an accurate interpretation? Do use use this RT 60 to know how much bass trapping to add during planning phase? Then add more if needed? Thanks again.
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 7 лет назад
This section of the spreadsheet shows the MAXIMUM desired RT-60. So, from the 200 Hz band down to the 63 Hz band the LF can rise like this: \ But only to a maximum of .35 Sec. or 350 mS. The Maximum RT-60 of all the other bands can not exceed .28 Sec. or 280 mS To obtain an accurate RT-60 measurement of your room, you should (ideally) make at the very least about 10 15 measures, (all in different spots in the room), and average the results. - Yes, we use the prescribed RT-60 in the spreadsheet to assist us in determining the needed trapping. Mostly broadband. I have never, ever needed to add more or take any away. Contrary to what is being said on forums, you CAN calculate all of this. We have real-world models and the calculations match. I just works.
@shahnewazmanto4798
@shahnewazmanto4798 6 лет назад
My rooms L: 14.25 W: 11.458 H: 9.666....Schroederfrequency: 232 Hz , Critical distance: 1.61 ft . what is Critical distance: 1.61 ft ? Volume: 1579.17 cft , Surface: 823.84 sq ft ,RT60: 0.6 sec.now what should i do to treat my rooms ?
@samibefree2410
@samibefree2410 7 лет назад
Thank you John for this video and the amazing tools you provide to the community! If building a room within a room, are the room dimention to provide are those of the initial room? The inner layer (after isolation and drywalls)? Or the finished, treated room?
@mobelanger5248
@mobelanger5248 6 лет назад
Hello John. Great video. I have a 2 x 6 ft. closet in my room. What should I do about that?
@Mythbuster42
@Mythbuster42 7 лет назад
Hi, John. where to put the membrane traps in that room, how to locate those modes in a room?
@frankyredente4152
@frankyredente4152 3 года назад
thank you, Jhon very helpful. I have a question, my room is rectangular with an apex ceiling. how should I proceed when entering the measurement into the room mode calculator? thank you
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 3 года назад
Find the average height and enter that... It's imperfect but better than nothing. Rooms will peaked or cathedral ceilings are difficult to predict. They have few, if any, axial modes. Everything is thrown into the tangential and oblique.
@frankyredente4152
@frankyredente4152 3 года назад
@@JHBrandt Thank you John for the quick reply.
@frankyredente4152
@frankyredente4152 3 года назад
@@JHBrandt It worked great thanks Jhon. I wanted to ask you a question, I can't work it out on my own by looking at the room calculator. I have done a measurement of my room using REW ( free measurement software), found out that I have a dip of 25-30 dbs from 118 to 140 Hz. What's your advice on correcting this problem? Thank you John
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 3 года назад
@@frankyredente4152, of course, you have peaks and dips everywhere. That means that you are in an enclosure. You don't 'fix' the dips and peaks on your reading. - the only way to do that would be to turn off your speakers. LOL Most people presume that the frequency response chart is the qualifier of a good room. It is not. The FR chart that you create with room testing software is the response of the 1 cubic centimeter of space where the mic capsule was positioned at the time. The folks at reference laboratories know all about this and as my wife often tells me, "it's not like what you think." :D If you need help, send me an email. - john@jhbrandt.net
@frankyredente4152
@frankyredente4152 3 года назад
@@JHBrandt haha Thanks John, you are very kind for replying. Ok I will email you. F
@rebluecrow
@rebluecrow 7 лет назад
Hi John. First of all, thank you for sharing your knowledge. In a 'box within a box' building strategy, should I input the inner or the outer box dimensions? Regards.
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 7 лет назад
Always input the INTERIOR finished, hard walls. Not after treatment. But, yes, only input the inside shell. There are other maths to the exterior shell, but they are not important to the home studio/ DIYer. ;)
@TCSound
@TCSound 9 месяцев назад
Dear John, I am using a mac and I can't transfer the data change with the command control+shift+S(on mac this is Save as...), is there anyway I can do this from menu commands? sorry to ask, the chart is not functional otherwise
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 9 месяцев назад
No, I'm sorry. You must have MS Office for the macros to work. I had someone in my Facebook group give advice on making these spreadsheets work in Open Office and other Microsoft clones but I don't know it. 😝 If you need to talk to me, please send an email to john@jhbrandt.net
@b.a.onthebeat3227
@b.a.onthebeat3227 7 лет назад
I'm currently looking to tune my room, the more I've searched and found resources like your videos the same question comes to mind. If I wanted to calculate my room how would I account for a bed if I was going to use it for demo recording?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 7 лет назад
Use your current 'hard' walls & ceiling to calculate. Don't add the bed or any furniture.
@TheNaboen
@TheNaboen 4 года назад
Hi, John! Incredibly educational to watch your videos. You convey knowledge in a good way! One question: I have a small listening room for 2-channel hifi. But it is a bit complicated. The ceiling height varies from 2.4 meters to 3.4 meters in the main volume, which has a base area of 3.2m * 3.3m (Yes. Terrible proportions). In addition, a volume comes in the form of a loft over the hallway outside. This loft is 1.3m * 3.3m and has a ceiling height varying from 0 to 1m. The loft means that the total width of the room is 4.5m. How can I calculate the repson in this room?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 4 года назад
This room mode calculator is best used for rectangular cuboids. If a ceiling is vaulted, I use the average. However, it can often result in errors when doing that. That's why I say that building angled walls/ceilings in a critical listening room is creating a 'box of chocolates'. - Because you never know what you're going to get. ;)
@TheNaboen
@TheNaboen 4 года назад
Thanks for the good answer! Think I've got a box with a couple of really sticky pieces
@musicman49000
@musicman49000 Год назад
Hey John, im a little stumped. Im in a situation where i only have one room to use for my "control room". its my bedroom. here is the problem i am having, i plugged in my room dimesions, did ctr+shift+s then crtl+shift+c, and then i ran into my first problem. My bonello distribution chart reads higher red than blue at the 31.5 region. my question is, what do i do? is it possible to just provide extra treatment in that frequency using membrane traps (bascially "do the best i can manage")? Unfortunately it is a VERY small room and i am unable to afford a seperate space at this time so im really in a situation where this is all i got to work with. I currently live with my parents and dont have the luxury of considering building a "room within a room" considering they plan on selling the house at some point (aka they wont allow it, and thats fair) as well as i believe the room is too small to be built "inwards". Im worried about my options, but look forward to hearing your honest opinion if you see this and choose to respond. im hoping the answer doesnt amount to "your screwed" haha! but, prepared for anything cause thats how one learns, right?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt Год назад
Nick, the 31.5 Hz band is not a bad one to NOT meet Bonello. It just means that your room is longer than it needs to be to meet Oscar's criteria. What are the dimensions? - Write to me and let's discuss (john@jhbrandt.net)
@musicman49000
@musicman49000 Год назад
@@JHBrandt Will send today!
@the_newvoice
@the_newvoice Год назад
God bless acoustic science))
@djphootz
@djphootz 3 года назад
Hello Mr! I've been using your Room Mode Calculator to figure out which room is best. I have a room that is 262 (H) x 575 (W) x 703 (L) meters, but since the room is still in construction I can have it with 280 (H) mt. Both rooms meet Bonello, but it seems to me that the one with 262(H) is less problematic than the one with 280(H)! I'm I wright? The room is made of reinforced concrete, and will be finished with gypsum board and wood (walls and ceiling). Can you help please? Kind regards.
@shahnewazmanto4798
@shahnewazmanto4798 6 лет назад
1 24.46 Hz G0 1-0-0 ax 2 32.15 Hz C1 0-1-0 ax 3 40.4 Hz E1 1-1-0 tan 4 48.93 Hz G1 2-0-0 ax 5 56.27 Hz A1 0-0-1 ax ...........what is all these mean ? what is the relation these to sound treatment ?Thanks
@ylvawanstrand220
@ylvawanstrand220 2 года назад
Thank you for this tool! I seem to get stuck at step 3 when I try to copy the calculated modes to the diagrams. It seems like the Ctrl+Shift+C doesn't have the right function, I'm using the latest version of excel on macOS so perhaps it's not the same anymore. Do you have any idea what command to use to copy the data?
@lifewire6799
@lifewire6799 Год назад
Hello, ctrl-shift-s doesn't seam to work on my imac. Do you have any idea what command to use?
@robertdallas2317
@robertdallas2317 3 года назад
Hello John, I am a 61 year old musician that is getting ready to build a RIR in a spare bedroom of my home. The pre RIR dimensions are typical about 12' x 12' x 8'. I have reduced the RIR non treated dimensions by using your "Room Mode Calculator" down to the point where it can pass the Bonello test. These dimensions are L - 134.50" x W - 120.00" x H - 88.25". My Wave region is 50.41 - 153.73. But in the Relative Mode Strength chart I have no nodes below 50.41hz. Is this a problem, and can I overcome any problems that this may produce with room treatments?
@ahmedzengy
@ahmedzengy 2 года назад
Any advice for calculating L Shape room ?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 2 года назад
no, sir. I'm sorry. :D
@ahmedzengy
@ahmedzengy 2 года назад
@@JHBrandt Thanks anyway :D
@audioman99
@audioman99 8 месяцев назад
Boy, I tried every ratio option for my 8' ceilings, but I couldn't get anything less than .29 seconds RT60. Any suggestions John?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 8 месяцев назад
What are your dimensions? NOTE: ratios, by themselves, don't always work. Send me an email and let's talk. john@jhbrandt.net
@audioman99
@audioman99 8 месяцев назад
Thank you John. I'll get in touch soon.@@JHBrandt
@jehupineda7240
@jehupineda7240 5 лет назад
I am looking to create an audio room with the following dimensions: L 671.0 cm , W 366.0 cm & H 427.0 cm. Unfortunately the room is fixed and cannot modify the dimensions. any advice you could provide?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 5 лет назад
Treat it! :D It is NOT bad! A little narrow and the 31,5 Hz 1/3 octave band doesn't have enough modes, but it WILL work. The room has almost 105 cubic meters and a high ceiling. It should be very good if treated properly. Send me an email. john@jhbrandt.net
@shahnewazmanto4798
@shahnewazmanto4798 6 лет назад
My rooms L: 14.25 W: 11.458 H: 9.666....Schroederfrequency: 232 Hz , Critical distance: 1.61 ft . what is Critical distance: 1.61 ft ? Volume: 1579.17 cft , Surface: 823.84 sq ft ,RT60: 0.6 sec.Thank you sir
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 6 лет назад
Critical Distance (Dc) is the ratio of direct sound to ambient sound and is dependent on the distance between the source and the listener, and upon the reverberation time in the room. At a certain distance the two will be equal. This is called the "critical distance." So this is basically defined as; the distance that a sound ceases to fall off at -6 dB per doubling of distance from the source. (Inverse square law) The source sound goes constant volume at the Dc of the room. This is determined AFTER treatment. If you follow procedure as outlined in the Balanced Non-Environment Criteria (resources page). Your room looks good with those dimensions, BTW ;)
@shahnewazmanto4798
@shahnewazmanto4798 6 лет назад
I have sound absorber panels in 1st reflection point , corners, and diffuser on the rear wall.Now should i avoid the Critical Distance? btw my monitors are positioned in equilateral triangle and head in the 38 % of the longest wall.Am i in right direction ? Thanks for the reply.1 sub + thumbs up
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 6 лет назад
The critical distance IS the sweet spot!! You won't have a sweet spot anywhere near that large with the little treatment you are using - following the LEDE criteria. But you are on the right track... just getting started. Go to my resources page and download everything you can get. ;) www.jhbrandt.net/resources
@merowsProductions
@merowsProductions 6 лет назад
im building a house with a studio, 270h 260w 370L is good or i need to make any changes?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 6 лет назад
Too small, my friend! You really need to look for at least 42 cubic meters (L X W X H)
@larikoski3822
@larikoski3822 7 лет назад
How to use Room Mode calculator with L-shaped room?
@SolarGorilla
@SolarGorilla 7 лет назад
Nice 3 way morel you have going on there...
@timschad5810
@timschad5810 Год назад
You say "you have to use membrane traps" for low frequencies....can't you port/vent low end out of a space as opposed to just using absorption ? Absorbing low freq's typically costs a lot of $$...venting would seem simplistic and cost almost nothing so why isn't this method ever discussed/employed ?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt Год назад
Tim, yes. It's employed in audiophile rooms and other listening situations where soundproofing AND accuracy are NOT required. It is not recommended for any studio situation because you must have good soundproofing in order to get your work done.
@timschad5810
@timschad5810 Год назад
@@JHBrandt Thanks for your reply John!! Can you enlighten me on how accuracy is effected?. And why you say not recommended for studio's...I'm in the deep country and soundproofing is pretty much irrelevant" in my location so would it still not be a good way for me to deal w the low freq's ?
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt Год назад
@@timschad5810 porting is never a good way to deal with low frequencies. There's a lot of crap on the internet with speculation running wild.... I have a Facebook group where I have talked about these things in detail. The group is named after my new book (coming soon). Please join us. facebook.com/groups/517162262483268
@vseminara
@vseminara 7 лет назад
hi John what's bonello ? hug
@AureoBeats
@AureoBeats 7 лет назад
Was a guy that developed a method based on math, acoustics and all that stuff. Basically he said that the number of modes in a room must be upward till reach the 200Hz, beyond that, the human hear can´t distinguish because of the density of the modes. But from 200 down to 20Hz the modes produce acoustic coloration. Bonello said that we must avoid two modes in the same frequency. Search for Bonello´s Criterion o google. I guess, in the Bonello´s section of the calculator shows the number of modes that we have and the ideal number we should have. Then you can look in the all modes section and treat your room depending on which modes are coindicent. I really appreciate this tool and the videos. John you are a boss. But a little more of explanation would be super useful!
@bennydrumming...2339
@bennydrumming...2339 7 лет назад
need your mail id sir wan ur guidence for our church accoustic tretment
@JHBrandt
@JHBrandt 7 лет назад
john@jhbrandt.net
@kms3530
@kms3530 Год назад
I have the feeling ypu need to knwo stuf before ypu understand this stuf. Im a beginner so i dont undertand this stuf
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