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How trains can replace planes: What are air-rail alliances? 

The Flying Moose
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Think flying from London to New York then connecting smoothly onto a train into Philadelphia - basically airlines #codesharing with train operators.
At its core, the concept calls for the seamless integration of air and rail so that each mode can be used for the most appropriate distance, especially using trains to replace #shorthaul / domestic flights.
It's pretty clear that the status quo of aviation has to change somehow to meet climate goals. Yet things take time, huge amounts of capital are already sunk into existing technologies, and there probably isn't a silver hydrogen bullet coming anytime soon.
I think that this creates an even more interesting set of circumstances, where you have to get creative and play within constraints. One method for reducing aviation's environmental impact? Air-rail alliances - helping bring us closer to a #multimodal dream
It's not a flashy, radical idea - but that's the point. Schemes like this can use existing technology to have a material impact by reducing the need for short flights in dense, busy corridors. All we have to do is build it :^)
00:00 Intro
01:05 Chapter 1.1: What it is - an example
01:42 Chapter 1.2: What it is - the details
03:39 Chapter 2: Why do this?
04:04 Chapter 2.1: Why do this? Passengers
06:08 Chapter 2.2: Why do this? Airlines
08:04 Chapter 2.3: Why do this? Environment
11:56 Chapter 3: Where this can work
12:25 Chapter 3.1 Where this can work - existing markets
15:00 Chapter 3.2 Where this can work - potential markets
17:28 In conclusion
18:02 bloops
#airrailalliance #greenaviation #highspeedrail

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@himbourbanist
@himbourbanist 8 месяцев назад
Simplifying routes also has the added benefit of reducing airport congestion for arriving / departing aircraft. Newark International would be DRAMATICALLY simplified and sped along if an Amtrak ticket could be booked in conjunction with an airline. The Airport even sits right on the Northeast Corridor, you can get to Philadelphia or NYC in like 45 minutes on Amtrak from Newark International
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA 8 месяцев назад
Agreed 😎 we have the tools to create these systems - we just need to go out and do it
@planetarysolidarity
@planetarysolidarity 3 дня назад
And, if Amtrak bought Greyhound in the US, we could integrate travel modes even further. To oversimplify, bus to the train station; train to the airport; and then fly. I used to do this in Japan.
@black1124
@black1124 Год назад
Absolutely incredible job on this video. Very thorough and concise and detail-oriented. Looking forward to seeing more alliances like this #jetblue Buffalo to Toronto
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
Appreciate it - and that route would be nice to see
@ttopero
@ttopero 8 месяцев назад
Another way this could help cities are where the existing hubs are landlocked or hemmed in by existing development, making expansion difficult. Being able to get passengers to a nearby regional airport which may have unused capacity and/or expansion ability could allow the main hub to function well with the growth and peak demand taken by regional airports. While not extremely convenient for business travelers, many leisure travelers would benefit, and many leisure trips occur during high demand periods when the extra travel is less crucial. Being able to do a single checkin without carting luggage would be a big advantage for these travelers as they often have larger luggage and are less familiar with traveling and/or families with extras.
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA 8 месяцев назад
Agreed - concept of “peaker” resources reminds me of power plants haha but definitely a lot of possibilities for those creative enough to make it happen
@Stargate2077
@Stargate2077 2 месяца назад
Switzerland has had this for over 20 years and it was awesome!
@fToo
@fToo Год назад
I love the integrated Air-Rail concept, and I love european airports which have full stations built in - Zurich is a great example. Which sort of negates your suggestion that "geography" is a barrier - I would suggest that the existence of a proper station at the airport is the biggest factor in making this work. Whilst checking in your luggage at your departure rail station sounds great - in practice it just adds too much complexity to the airline operation, and it often requires you to arrive too far in advance to make the timings work. For example, you used to be able to check-in and drop bags at Paddington station in London for departures from Heathrow - but it was cancelled many years ago. Start simple, and encourage airlines to offer integrated Air-Rail ticketing, with passengers carrying their own luggage to the airport.
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
There are definitely examples like Zurich that have creatively worked around geography - these systems should definitely be commended and my suggestion about rail-friendly geography was more of plus than a negative in the opposite direction! On the complexity of in-town checkin - I grew up using Hong Kong's airport express which had very impressive in-town operations, so perhaps I'm wishfully thinking for that kind of integration across the board. Agreed that we should start simple, get the ball rolling on the concept, then slowly improve the experience with these larger asks
@mavlegion
@mavlegion Год назад
love the stats! I would also consider looking at cost of emission per passenger/passenger mile
@_etwas
@_etwas Год назад
This is a pretty nice video, congrats!
@nerd2814
@nerd2814 3 месяца назад
Criminally underrated stuff. Gonna spread this vid around, you deserve all the views you can get.
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA 3 месяца назад
Really appreciate it - glad you enjoyed!
@Skullair313
@Skullair313 2 месяца назад
What is interesting to note is, that an air-rail partnership between Lufthansa and DB existed in the 80s to the early 90s. Since in the US some airlines were run by railroads, I wouldn't be suprised if this existed there.
@Trolld3
@Trolld3 Год назад
ngl I just randomly found this video after watching stuff on porter, but your last couple vids are hella interesting! Keep posting bro but also expand to tiktok + youtube shorts cause you;ll def expand your audience to aviation lovers! Subbed!
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA 8 месяцев назад
Long time haha but thanks! Actually made a short with CBC a few weeks ago so will expand in into that at some point :)
@patpat9803
@patpat9803 2 месяца назад
very interesting concept, I hope they do this in France, it's kind of done "non officially" as for Example Paris's main airoport Charles De Gaulle sits right on a TGV station but a smooth, direct route all on one website, maybe Air France and SNCF could work, plus there are lots of cities in the 200-500 km range around Paris so it would be perfect ! One thing I wanted to add, about your examples, I think to sell the idea in North america to rail companies, you would need the Hub to connect to multiple Not-Hubs to really justify investing ressources to make it happen, especially in places where there is no high speed rail or project ! I think at least
@parsahasselhoff7986
@parsahasselhoff7986 Год назад
Are you using your phone for a mic? The quality is surprisingly good!
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
haha yes my phone + a sock over it
@bstives58
@bstives58 3 месяца назад
I love this concept! The car rental industry would have to adapt to make it work.
@sebastiking5015
@sebastiking5015 Год назад
loved the video, but are you sure you can use Dutch Railways's (NS/Nederlandse Spoorwegen) logo in your thumbnail?
@FoCoBuzz
@FoCoBuzz 3 месяца назад
I think you make some very good points. When in Europe, I much prefer to take a train for many of the reasons you list. Yes, I’m a rail geek so that is part of it. I will take a plane for further distances than it’s convenient. That being said, I have to take slight issue with the Orlando-Brightline idea you pitch. I have not taken a Brightline yet, but I want to just because it’s a train. I may be going to Miami for a football game this fall so I may try to fly to MCO and take Brightline (or I may just drive from Atlanta to Orlando). But I don’t think it’s a sound business approach for Toronto to South Florida for AC to only serve MCO. MIA is a major hub and FLL is a very convenient option - I’ve almost always flown there from ATL and never used MIA. Some airline is going to serve that because there will be direct demand. As much as I love HSR, I will always opt for a flight from the US, direct to my destination city over a flight-rail connection. I’ve visited Paris multiple times. Twice, I’ve flown to Brussels (better award flights from ATL) and took Thalys (now Eurostar Red) to Paris Gare du Nord. But last summer, we flew direct to CDG and it was easier to arrive and hop and Uber to our hotel. There’s understand demand for such direct connectivity. I think your model works better when one market has much traffic than the other. But here, there’s likely demand to both Orlando - Disney - and Miami. I don’t think either customer set is going to be better served by a flight-rail connection. Something like FRA-DUS or Paris-Brussels works better on this model. By the way, good videos. I am not a die hard transit guy, but having traveled in Europe I see the efficacy of a robust transit network and, as mentioned, love rail. But I’m also an unashamed capitalists and small government guy so I have high standards for the appropriate use of taxpayer dollars. I like your tone in the videos I have seen that are a lot less arrogant and condescending than another leading urbanity/transit channel. Hope to see more of your stuff!
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA 3 месяца назад
Fair enough, Florida probably isn't a great example for the reasons you mentioned - agreed that there should be more of a size difference in order to see the most benefit. Really appreciate the thoughtful comment though - it's unfortunately a rarity whenever opinions don't fully align. Thanks for watching and see you around!
@FoCoBuzz
@FoCoBuzz 3 месяца назад
@@TheFlyingMooseCA I appreciate that! Even when we don't always agree in total, we should be able to discuss civilly and that is something that has been lost in age of social media and all the shouting everyone does seemingly all the time! Truth be told, positions can change but not from shouting. Ten years I was much less open to transit than I have become. But travel and being exposed to other countries and ways of doing things gave me additional perspective. It's a class example of how travel can be educational and informative and not just entertaining!
@mistersauga716
@mistersauga716 Год назад
name every plane ever
@fToo
@fToo Год назад
A variation on this is airlines offering buses to nearby cities from their hub - especially if the nearby city is a hub of a rival airline. For example if you look for a flight on the Emirates website to Abu Dhabi - the sector from Dubai to Abu Dhabi is in fact a 90 bus journey. And it's often significantly cheaper than a direct flight to Abu Dhabi, and the journey time to Abu Dhabi city centre isn't that much longer than via Abu Dhabi airport. Since the bus is operated on behalf of Emirates - they tick you off as you board the bus, so the airline will know if you have completed the journey that you booked !
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
Yep, similar concept of taking advantage of multimodal strengths where flights are too short to make sense. I bet we'll see more of these bus operations as airlines test the multimodal waters; rail just requires so much upfront investment that it's hard to pilot.
@lzh4950
@lzh4950 Год назад
Meanwhile AirAsia had proposed that instead of flying to Singapore's Changi airport, it would fly to neighbouring Malaysia's Johor Bahru's Senai airport (as it is cheaper) & provide a free coach connection to Singapore, but it was apparently blocked by Singapore's government (because it didn't want its Changi airport to lose AirAsia's business to Senai I think) until the coach was turned into a paid service instead. There're also reports that Indonesia's Lion Air might fly to nearby Batam's Hang Nadim airport & facilitate a ferry connection to Singapore
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
@@lzh4950 also didn't know that - had to dig a bit and only found an old tripadvisor post about this with a defunct link on the airasia website. Thanks for adding yet another example :)
@ph11p3540
@ph11p3540 Год назад
Alberta will never ever see a high speed rail line between Calgary and Edmonton. Too many business groups are dead seat against it from CP rail, bit oil and the airlines to name a few. Does not help that the Alberta Conservative Party tends to think the same way and they have been in power for decades.
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
Calgary-Edmonton definitely won't be the first rail link to happen, but hopefully improvements to the Quebec City-Windsor corridor (if they ever come) will change perception of that. I agree that it's a huge lift, but I have to think that sentiment has to shift at some point for rail links between these "obvious" markets 🤔
@michaelwatson113
@michaelwatson113 2 месяца назад
Right. All we have to domis build it. Of course.
@parsahasselhoff7986
@parsahasselhoff7986 Год назад
I there's definitely an upside to this in that it makes the adoption of passenger rail easier by having it work with airlines rather than in competition with them. But on the other hand having trains stations in airports negates two of passenger rail's advantages: convenient downtown location and not having to go through excessive security.
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
Good point - ideally we'd see a mix of stations in city centres and airports so rail can take you directly downtown. One of the main goals is to funnel passengers from hub airports into downtowns of non-hub cities, so there isn't as pressing a need to build rail links to the non-hub's airport. I do see how that could end up with overly-specific rail routes, so a compromise could be to stop at airports and downtowns at destinations. On the point of security: Hong Kong's West Kowloon Terminus is an example of getting customs done in the city centre before boarding the HSR to China (although this specific situation definitely has political motives too). Security integration can be done, but may be limited to the biggest and busiest stations as a result
@lzh4950
@lzh4950 Год назад
@@TheFlyingMooseCA On the flip side the train station at the other end of the HSR from HK to mainland China - Guangzhou S - is almost 17km SW of downtown _Guangzhou_ (or about as far as some cities' downtowns are from their airports e.g. Singapore & Changi), so a test done by the now-defunct Apple Daily revealed that travelling by HSR wasn't much faster than by "normal speed" rail (between HK's _Hung Hom_ station & a more centrally located train station in Guangzhou)
@TheFlyingMooseCA
@TheFlyingMooseCA Год назад
@@lzh4950 didn't realise the details of that - thanks for sharing
@wowyummyyy
@wowyummyyy Год назад
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@ostkkfmhtsh012345678
@ostkkfmhtsh012345678 2 месяца назад
I think another concept for Air-Rail alliances that would work would be a YVR-YXX HSR (Maglev ideally for speed (though not the ultra-high speed Transrapid nor SCMaglev type) and minimal maintenance though conventional express regional rail would be the minimum viable requirement IMO considering sharp curves that would likely be implemented) as dedicated services though IMO would be more to shift domestic flights to YXX while YVR be used more for international flights. The tracks would all be located in #Canada unlike the #Vancouver-#Seattle Air-Rail link concept which IMO would be better off NOT as dedicated services. If a #Vancouver-#Seattle HSR gets built, I doubt there would be a YVR station unless there is a YVR branch. If the Air-Rail link infrastructure is shared with other rail modes or utilizes an existing rail infrastructure used by other rail modes (least likely for Maglev, most likely for regional rail and HSR), then the Air-Rail link stations would all have fully sealed full height platform screen doors for not only safety but also security, so passengers don't need to exit and reenter security.
@gav6251
@gav6251 Год назад
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