How Two Families Shaped American Politics (& War) For Their Profit 

had the same experience here. it's sad that so many people fall for it. There's a documentary called "Betting on Zero" that goes into more detail on this. it's specifically about Herbal life.

@@LuisLopez-uy5jc Betting on Zero, eh? I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

Those who join would double down until it too late I join one call Primerica .

​@@Watch-0w1I sadly hear a lot of that happens as well. Because admitting it's a scam means admitting you were duped and can make a person feel very ashamed. Really happy you got out, though.

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley thank bud for the support. It all in the past. When one of they're member I come across, I try convince them to give it up. Life shortcut always come at a cost

Wow, you've lived a sheltered life. There are plenty of people like this in the USA - the USA is a Plutocracy after all.

The Devos family has been sucking this country dry for 50 years now - Nancy was Secretary or Education under trump, and on and on…

Welcome to American style corruption. It’s the exact same as corruption anywhere else just hidden behind layers and layers of legal documents and usually throw in some religion to keep it out of the reach of any actual anti-corruption investigators.

You misused a comma.

God is not real

@@squirrel9760 should I be hurt?

@@Watch-0w1 no but stop wasting your life

@@squirrel9760 what u care what any one do with their life. What wrong , did the church wrong you? Or you just being a 14 year old edgelord

No one knows

Is it "magnate" or you want this guy to teach you electromagnetism?

@@ars85202 No, magnets. How do you know the word electromagnetism, but don't know what a magnet is?

@@mikea5745 Alright, so "a piece of iron (or an ore, alloy, or other material) that has its component atoms so ordered that the material exhibits properties of magnetism, such as attracting other iron-containing objects or aligning itself in an external magnetic field."

@@ars85202 Still doesn't explain "how properties of magnetism" works you lil rasckal

He's literally Hitler

Their selling point was to break out of the miseducation, and so a member of the family is overseeing that it remains just the same. The disrespect smh

I don't have to think about it I saw it firsthand as Betsy DeVos what's in front of Congress on several occasions she and her husband were both sued in Canada and America for the corrupt business practices in oil

Was the book by Robert Kiyosaki

@@alpz6295or maybe Darren Hardy

@@alpz6295 Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

😂😂😂 you have been offered a tool. Is up to you to make it work. Like in any business I guess 🎉

No, the creator didn't even know the USA has a corportist economic model and not a capitalist one. Corportism is a socialist-capitalist economic model. Capitalism is free market and therefore has no central bank or the equivalent. The USA admits it is a mixed economy.

We had a situation where our up line legitimately made us dissolve branches and we almost made it this level called emerald. One of our holiness did in fact reach that level and an interesting ceremony by the company occurred where they guy legitimately was pulled from work. And given the keys to a company paid vacation and a keys to a new car and home. And it was like a bash. Our up lines didn’t agree to how we were setting up our third line and also it started becoming almost like a cult. But some people who did make it to that level did in fact radiate some happiness and success because they did work their butts off for years. A lot were those who used innovative product methods to sell as many as possible products with a code or point system that eventually adds up painfully slow. A lot of other rival systems are similar. Yet another thing that is quite sad and interesting is that people also have the opportunity to buy stock and puts in the company to make even more money yet this information is kept compartmentalizations. Which is very unfortunate. However. The lessons learned is the value of networking and personal development in technology. You don’t exactly move up the ladder unless you can implement sales via tech and social and teach your strategies to down lines. Similar to franchising, or point based system. They pay an up line cut or royalty fee and also other feee to keep operating in line. It’s their operational manual that I looked into it that explains things. It’s alright but it sucks the money from the underlines. And their time and efforts as well simply because they don’t know how to manage or use the am-way system. As it was intended to at all because most immigrant communities repeat the same bs and don’t have a deep sense of understanding or know how to do things in the company or with the community. Yet, if they knew. They would understand the situation.

The joys of simple math, noticing that 1/30 of the population can't profitably be in the same business. Congrats!

Recruit recruit recruit like there’s no tomorrow is why they’re a cult

It’s they really don’t understand that innovation is key to any company and people like all. Is all required to do so many times.

Shame on the distributor that pulled the stunt to nab your dads customers.

@@erwinbrubacker7488 Our upline years past did the same thing and broke 5 lines. It was ridiculous...

woah

They will counter by saying Amway is a distributor, like how supermarkets can't change the colour of packages made by Kellogg's.

Looser

Amway would need to talk to the IBOAI board. If they wanted to in your words (decided to shut down) The company can't makemajor changes without asking the IBOs first.

What is your point, many successful businesses start small?

@@josephforest7605 I think he was just describing a relevant anecdote from his past..

Yup, the definitely do.

You can’t step foot in GR without being reminded of their presence. I remember going to a car show when I was 11 and the event was sponsored and hosted by none other than the DeVos Place. Or constantly seeing Helen DeVos Children’s Hospital ads when waiting to see if your school had a snow day on Wood TV 8. Or when Dick DeVos ran for governor. I was always told that they were evil people growing up, but I was too young to understand why. I also just accepted it as truth because my parents said so. I honestly forgot all about them until I watched this video.

Ironically, the Grand Rapids area has become more politically liberal over the years. Governor Whitmer graduated from the same high school as Dick, Jr. (Forest Hills Central), 16 years apart. I should know. I grew up in GR/Ada and graduated with Dick, Jr. I have many stories....

Right. They own every sport venue, car lots, a Harley Dealership, biggest hotel and convention center and other small businesses Disgusting Connected to politics since G Ford was president and many after. 😡.

Is it called "life platform$

​@@joeschmoe13106I have friends who were involved in that one. I think it was started by some former Amway execs.

Being a former Mormon myself in Ogden, there are a lot of primal instincts that get played into. So even if your an educated person with resources who can tell something's up, those things are still at Play. And if your not educated with resources, you won't even know somethings fishy.

A lot of nice people in Utah have grown up in such a good community and family dynamic that they are just too trusting for their own good when it comes to that kind of thing.

The sheep are getting fattened in Utah to make nice mutton dinners for the shepherds.

​@@LaplacianFouriermore like wolves

Seminars we love it

Funnily enough Chiro also happens to be one of the world’s oldest MLMs. (P.S. calling those quacks “Doctor” is insulting to actual medical doctors and PhDs)

Exactly! Too many people are thinking that if you CAN make money, then you SHOULD make money, and morals are thrown out the window.

MLM is not a pyramid scheme it's actually much worse.

Why would you be more skeptical this is nothing new been going on for decades

That the cost of freedom

​@@Watch-0w1 No it isn't. Unless you're talking about the freedom of scamming people. The price of freedom is that dumb views can be easily spread. And maybe that it's slightly harder to fight criminals.

@@ThePandafriend basically yeah. Your free to scam people as long it within the law. Look at herbal life.

I have done lots over on How Money Works. Do you think I have missed anything in particular that you would like to see?

@@HowHistoryWorks continue using the british guy. Do anseries that covers each continentor business families

@@HowHistoryWorks yes. Your video is super in that channel. Really appreciate your work. And u need to make video about on business case study on how they revive or sell items which have no value. Basic frame work for business strategy. That is what I am say . U can take it as a feedback. It's upto u

If you want some more in depth content on that, you can always check out Patrick Boyle and Aswath Damodaran. Both of them are legitimate business professors who post their class materials online.

There's a video that takes a crack at debunking Gina Keating's podcast. I can't speak to who is right, because i have not listened to her podcast, but it is food for thought. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VC4sAaV1eBs.html

cope

That's why they prey on immigrants, poor people that are desperate to get out of their 9-5 and see this as their way out. Poor uneducated people are less likely to have ever heard of a pyramid scheme and they get blown away by all the smoke and mirrors. MLM's are not pyramid schemes they are actually much worse.

Yes the tools cult as you say is the real scam to me. It's the recruiting and pyramid part of the business. They are willing to take so much of your time and money and will manipulate you to sink all your resources in it. Then they only talk about Amway being their main source of income. The rich uplines are glorified motivational speakers. They aren't Amway reps 😂 they get to the level where they are not selling products but recruiting for their downline, speaking at conferences, and having private night owls you have to qualify for and making it sooo exclusive. They are freaking worshipped by the newcomers. I remember a diamond in my area who I was walking around with at a conference literally had to have body guards, and people would follow him around like he is a prophet, just hoping to get a glimpse of his aura up close 🙄

It's an a.1 channel that's why it's so vague. Sean munger covered the tools tho

My Aunt and Uncle got involved back in '84. Did Really well, but LEFT in 1989 after making $200,000.

I know alot of people who started this business and now they live their life dream.... You should read Empire of Freedom, The New Professionals and many others!

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My Aunt and Uncle were pulled into getting involved with Scamway/NoWay in the mid 80s. To my Mom's surprise, they actually did REALLY well with it. Its Interesting because there's quite a few videos on Amway, but none are as detailed and full as the Controversial/Now Idle Illuminaughtii Channel. She made a Two Part Saga going into Thoroughly into Amway's entire History to ALL the Legal nonsense as well as Expose's done by Chris Hansen on when Amway changed its name back in the mid 2000s.

Nice slight of hand you just pulled. MLMS like Amway are cash flow positive because the people at the bottom of the pyramid have to buy all the product and most of all the recruitment/training/propaganda material NOT because they sell product to people not associated with Amway.

Just found the upline. 😆😆😆

It's funny I was asking the same thing. Well put.

@@thebestSteven I was in Amway for a while in the 90s,.. and I didnt "have to buy" anything,...I did buy products, and if used correctly most did actually save me money compared to products I use to buy from the supermarket, also sold some to friends and friends of friends who asked, made around $100 a month, not a lot but then I wasnt out actively working it either

You get in for free, then?

@@fredpagniello3267 @andersbircow yes! you get in for "free" but make sure its a good idea, your first year is covered by URA. The people ive met have helped my mindset shift for the better and ive made 0$ have purchased 0 products but see benefits in my day to day, At a minimum id join put those amazing energy drinks on subscription with owner discount and absorb all the material, make the connections and bring positivity to meetings, and with everything you do in life never let anyone influence you to infringe on your morality.

No one in their generation will do anything about it Maybe Bernie but I doubt it

Obviously

Remember when France rolled over for Germany? Good times….

The voters living in the Congressional District that includes Grand Rapids and Ada elected a Democrat in 2022 for the first time since the Watergate era. Governor Whitmer grew up in the GR area and graduated from the same high school as Dick, Jr. Also, the previous two Republicans representing GR in Congress each voted to impeach Trump. So Amway doesn't control everything that happens in Grand Rapids.

She had NO experience in the education field except to push conservative parochial schools and undermine public schools.

if you haven't figured by now that they're both sides of the same coin then you have serious issues

I mean, why would either be a shocker? Would it burst your mind if I provided Democrat examples of the same thing?

Lmaoing at your life thinking either of them is clean

They support all sides, it's just that Republicans are a little cheaper to buy

@@hackE444not a little… A lot

Those are "just" for avoiding taxes through loopholes, influencing politics and getting access to more brands and areas on which they can do business. Most big companies don't scam people.