Usually the lack of negotiation is the company's fault. Studio executives said it's their strategy to wait until the writers go homeless, when all writers want is for residuals to return.
@@justcommenting4981that is what is happening right now. The ratification vote for the contract hasn't even started yet. And yea we are pretty chill about it. We down to strike, but we are chill about it.
@@muntadar1655I mean this is pretty self explanatory my guy, they would not have had to strike if management negotiated like this before the strike happened.
at least meet them half way, damn. A lot of people I work with work another job. Our company made 500 million in profits last QUARTER. No one should need a second job.
This is how these disputes *_should_* go. The fact that the actor strike went on so long is entirely the fault of the AMPTP. If they had focused on coming up with solutions instead of focusing on union-busting tactics, it would've had a much better and faster resolution.
i agree, but it’s the only realistic way to do it. having new ones with air conditioning and old ones slowly get phased out is a lot easier than suddenly installing an air conditioner in every ups truck across the usa
Yeah there's no feasible option to retrofit every truck in the fleet with air conditioning. Like what do you want them to do cut a window unit into the side of the truck. As long as the new ones have AC it will work out eventually
I'm with you, but the feasibility of immediately upgrading all the old trucks isn't high. I hope there's some kind of established timeline for phasing out the old vehicles though.
I don't know the specifics of UPS's business, but given that their vans are being driven more or less constantly I'm assuming they wear out pretty fast.
UPS has an extremely good relationship with their union, and crazy benefits for their employees. I used to work there before going off to college, and both the career path and the union benefits were surprisingly great
I work for UPS here in Chicago, all bs we get $25.75 but they cut out hours to only 3.5-4 hours. Part time employees lost in this bs contract. I’m on target to make less this year. Just found out in this building (BEDFORD IL) that the supervisors have a bonus just to get us out early. This location has been caught numerous times for wage theft. Still doing it but in other less obvious ways. Sad and f pathetic how far a company will go for it’s disgusting greed
@3263 Tried explaining this to my UPS driver, he said I was crazy. Greed is a natural part of human nature regardless if ppl agree or not, very few ppl aren’t greedy. Throw in stock holders desire to make money and you have a failing system for employees (hints the massive layoffs and hours cut) and a great company for consumers to use because of revenue. It’s almost impossible to have everything, UPS in my opinion won this and the employees who we’re singing praise are not singing unemployment.
@HeeroAvaren except thats not true at all? They cut hours, but the same amount of work is still being done, meaning they have to hire someone else part time and pay them that same amount for the same amount of time.... they pay almost exactly the same amount of money.... i think this is more likely to be a strategy to destabilize and weaken the union.
@@mistergod3 Thank you. People who are anti workers getting paid what they deserve for their work fascinate me. These companies are not cutting back on labor because if they did they'd loose money and their business would basically start to collapse. They just found a way around actually honoring the union agreement.
I work for UPS and it wasn't that easy. Ups vowed to come to an agreement by the 5th of last month then walked away from the table stating they had nothing else to offer refusing to make any wage increases. They then panicked and rushed to come to an agreement a few days before the contract ended because they couldn't hire enough people to replace us in time. The new CEO cares more about paying her shareholders than their actual employees that line their pockets.
@@Crimsomreaf5555 They didn’t start hiring again until two weeks before the contract was over at my location. Stopped bringing in new hires and cut off all doubles for two months to “be able to pass an audit” which they still failed apparently. If you applied during that time there may have been other factors at play in your circumstance.
@@hanavolta9785FedEx Ground worker and we've been anxiously awaiting it hoping it comes. Pretty disappointing it's not coming but glad these guys are getting better conditions
This is how most union contracts work here in Denmark. Of course both the union and company will show up with some slightly exaggerated goals and then compromise a little both ways... if the company can document that some specific issue would be too costly to keep the same number of employees, union would most often be willing to figure out a compromise. And vice versa, if your employees needs to work 2 jobs, how can you be sure that they perform their best at your company? Of course both company and employees need to survive. And especially delivery service is something that is still booming while retail is having a tough time given all the Internet shopping. It's not necessarily a high paying job, but I'd say there's good job security, even while some are talking about delivery by drone.
@@hokyosei Not really. Is that there job isn't that automated yet. Strikes in wal mart doesn't work because most their job is automated by computers and the folks are only there to move things from point A-B in a one block radius. UPS folks move our entire economy MILES and just two trucks going down can cause thousands of dollars in back log economic downturns. If all trucks go down it will cost the economy billions in white house money. Most strikes dont end like this. Using wallmart as an example where they fired everyone and easily hired a new crew within 48 hours while gaining money through the process.
No, they fired the Peak Season workers. The whole month of December is stupidly busy, so leading up to it, massive numbers of people are hired for it. However, there's almost no chance of being kept on past Peak Season, so those workers get just around two months of work, then get fired. They do get preference for being rehired at the standard hiring period, IIRC, but Peak workers are basically never kept on.
With the context I have this looks horribly uninformed. The video makes the negotiations look like they just went through but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers and up until recently were completely adamant about not accepting the unions conditions. If the context of the video was true they could negotiate outside of a contract year and get their basic needs no problem.
Big corporations don't really care about making employees happy. They care about getting the most out of their employees for as little money as possible... But yes you're right, this is what a real negotiation is. Corporations are legally obligated to make the most profit for their shareholders and are not legally obligated to make their employees happy. So, without healthy, properly run unions that are capable of actually hitting corporation where it hurts, its profit margins, there is no way to make fairly compensating employees a priority.
$2.75 raise cost UPS 2.7 billion dollars a year. Which mean raise on shipping cost for packets. 1/4 of UPS profits for the year. Not sure most help $5 hour raise to parttimes will add up.
@@donw4889 It's a total myth that prices go up proportionally to the cost of labor. McDonalds in America is usually $7.25 to $8/hr. McDonalds in Denmark pays $22/hr. A BigMac in the US currently costs $5.35. In Denmark it's currently $5.30. That means that Denmark McDonalds pays almost three times what American McDonalds pays, and its BigMac is 5 cents cheaper.
@@eddiemarohl5789 "but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers" And that's why you join the union, right there. Else you're way more expendable.
@@onyxtay7246I legit just started pharmacy school last week after working in a pharmacy for about 6 years... I might start looking at my options now lol
@@laynepieri4214 It's always good for every worker if low salaries are raised, because eventually those who have jobs "above" said level need to also get more money. Keeping the lowest low makes it harder for the next to rise. Apart from it being a d*ck mindset to wanting to keep others down, because otherwise they might reach your level.
UPS has always treated employees better than FedEx, so I'm glad they are working with the union and not fighting the union. It's also why I always choose UPS if I have both options when ordering something.
It always was for the lower class and for immigrants in America historically. And still is now to a extent, though not quite as much, hopefully this, and more funding will allow UPS to be a sort of point for people to get into the middle class.
I was always a fantastic job specifically because of the union. UPS was trying to hire mostly part time workers to avoid paying more, that's what the strike was about
Keep in mind that the rumblings of this strike go all the way back to December when they originally threatened to strike during the holidays, ie the weeks where the most packages get delivered in the US. This has been LOOOONG
@@thecolonel1457ok, yes, it doesn't do that explicitly, but it says that cities can't have safety laws stricter than the state's laws, effectively removing cities' (like austin's) ability to have a healthy amount of mandatory water breaks. Either way, it's a horrible law that is only there to make the governor richer after he moves away from politics.
You know workers can already take a drink of water whenever they please, don't you? There is no need for a mandated special break for everyone to take a drink of water. That's just ignorant. In the past, there was a "water boy" whose only job was to carry a bucket of water and a dipper around to workers so they could drink water and keep working.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 You do know that construction workers work in *teams* right? And you can't just get up in the middle of a heavy operation to get a drink or take a shite and leave the other group members on their own. That's how people get unalived. If everybody is sent for regular breaks at the same time, then everybody is refreshed and focused and able to do the best job possible. If your boss is a scumbag who thinks breaks are lazy and a waste of money, he's gonna threaten to fire you or cut your pay for stopping to rehydrate and slowing down the flow of work. Water teamsters are a great idea! So why aren't there more of them? Is it because company owners are greedy and cheap and don't care for their workers despite every year this decade being hotter than the last? In Canada we call them Safety Officers and every company over a certain size has to have them. My sister is one. It's her job to know if everyone on site is following safety rules (hard hats, toe covers), if people are on break or back from break, if teams are set up to coordinate with each other, etc. And it's also her job to make sure that food for breaks is ordered and water is available. She's personally taken cases of water to crew up on the top floor of buildings. I don't know if you know this, but people who are busy moving steel beams or putting up walls/windows/flooring aren't really focused on carrying around water bottles.
I remember the last time they went on strike, it was over the Teamsters controlling workers pensions. It didn't really have much impact, but back then people weren't too lazy to go to the store.
Glad to see a news org recognizing the EMPLOYERS are the ones who can stop the strike. Not the workers. The workers do what is necessary for themselves to live, the employers do what they need to make the most money
The workers do whatever gives themselves the greatest benefit, they are exactly the same as the executives. That’s why workers and executives have to negotiate on who deserves how much benefit. Believing workers are somehow some kind of all-benevolent, non-selfish entity is the pinnacle of arrogance.
@@AnonD38 i know workers can be selfish. But the workers do not hold power over executives. In fact most companies utilize union breaking, and many more do whatever they can to avoid letting their workers negotiate. Because workers cannot force negotiations over every little thing, the only times workers actually can force negotiations are when it is absolutely necessary to survive.
@@AnonD38 The executives are in the position where the worst-case scenario for them is becoming workers. The workers are in the position where the worst-case scenario for them is ending up hungry and homeless. The stakes are completely different.
@@annaagapova3583 1. Lol. Lmao. Great take. 2. The individual laborer holds no power over their labor. Only when workers act together, as comrades, do we hold power. 3. I don't think you understand blackmail. 4. Again: lmao.
Honestly, UPS workers are pretty diligent from what I've seen. This only furthers my respect for the UPS company and its Workers. Corporate or not they know how to properly negotiate with their workers and reach an agreement.
@@arbiter1 This is a TIGHT labor market (exclusing tech obviously), those workers could find work elsewhere easily. Also if your business fails because of a union you ran a pretty shit business that couldn't exist without properly compensating your employees.
Yeah, they really can't say no, if UPS quit, there goes one of the big three shipping companies (not including Amazon, because they only ship their own stuff)
Were you specifically hired as a non union worker, a supervisor/ manager that is excluded from union membership, or you opting not to be part of the union in a right to work state?
You know this means your tax dollars are now paying drivers $100,000+ per year. The cost of sending packages won't go up, the 80,000+ IRS agents will just go after YOU harder.
I mean, I'd think any President would be surprised at an unexpected person making it past Secret Service and all the other security, press or not. "Who are you and how did you get in here without my approval?"
I mean, it would be completely reasonable for any president of the US to be confused by someone they dont know, and is unauthorized, making it passed the secret service, in broad daylight, to the oval office.
I wish that happened more often. poor railroaders tried to strike a little while ago and Biden hinself denied their cause because they would cripple the nation if they were to do so
and more employers who understand that just taking an absolute hardline stance in negotiation to avoid relinquishing any amount of power isn't going to get them the best end result most of the time.
I don't mind unions as they have their place but can you imagine how it would be if every sector of business was unionized? You'd have at least one sector on strike at a time, how would anything get done?
@@tiredman99 there's countries that are exactly like that. The workers very very rarely strike because they already have a fair and equitable relationship with employers. If you snapped your fingers and made everything in the US unionised then of course you'd have strikes all over the place until the employer-employee relationship became rebalanced from the incredibly exploitative place it currently is. Places with high unionisation don't have that same exploitative imbalance between employer and employee BECAUSE OF THE UNIONS.
(They also tend to have much better methods of resolving friction between both parties such that things rarely ever need to boil over to either side taking drastic action to be heard.)
UPS worker, the increase in wage actually lowered a lot of people in my areas over all pay, because where previously they were getting so and so an hour and 5 hour shifts (we are only guaranteed 3.5, we get overtime at 5+), theyre more stringent about hours and were getting paid more, with overall less hours. I used to make a solid 350+ a week, now i make closer to 270+
Dang, $25 an hour? That's a pretty decent wage. They do deserve it. Some of these guys carry heavy shit all day, deal with traffic, and extreme weather. Almost makes me want to become a driver. Sucky part is, these companies are gonna raise postage to an insane amount to offset. The loss should come from the executives who gouge the company for millions for their own bonuses, perks and stocks.
That's for the part time workers, the ones in the building. The drivers at full scale pay (driving for over 4 years) will go from $41.50 now to $49 in 2027
My friends mom would have loved that AC before she retired lol. She was almost 70 and I remember her always coming home in the UPS uniform and complaining about the heat, or just refusing to go to work on 100+degree days
@@MRMIKE276no, friend, no. The 100 days are now 110. Or even worse, tantric storms in desert areas. Did you see the catastrophe that hit California at the beginning of the year?
Yeah...!!! It's great that he managed to squeeze it in just before the video ended... it's almost as if he timed it ... or something...!!! ... I also like sarcasm... (LOL) 🤣 😂 🤣
Problem is hollywood is not needed. yea outside the actors and writers people will lose jobs but realistically given most filming isnt even done in the us it really wont hurt as much as something like ups.
@@GalironRunner Hollywood employs almost 200k people, just in California. It would have wider implications than just no new movies in theaters if the entire sector collapsed.
They dont. Their shareholders forced them to sign because if the union went on strike UPS shareholders could lose tens of millions in the first few day
If they did that the workers wouldn't have needed to threaten the biggest strike in history. This is a story about the effectiveness of striking, not the compassion of the business
Its more like a Scandinavian union, sure they want more, but now they cant puch it to hard, and the employer want to give less, but know they cant resist to hard.
As a Ups worker, and with multiple family members in the company I can assure you the only reason the union accepted is because nobody wants an economic collapse. The votes may still end up short, since realistically 21 dollars an hour isn't enough when our supervisors are being orders to rush, and basically bully us into getting done, and off the clock as soon as possible. Additionally outside of the christmas rush, our hours are generally cut to below 4 hours a day, so do the math, we get less than a living wage for being bullied, working our asses off, and having no Air movement, not ac we don't even get air movement, because there is 1 fan to every 5 workers. Final thing, and this is specific to my station, but isn't a problem in most stations, there is a Severe lack of safety, and we regularly get packages far bigger than we can safely deal with, and weigh far more than the average worker can deal with, I'm talking 150+ lbs. Also the starting wage was never 16.20, it was 15.50 just a little thing that was often lied about.
Unions are extortionists 😂 they form a group of low value jobs that anyone can do and then threaten to leave at the same time if they don't get the same pay as people who actually have some sort of unique and valuable skill set. Unions are just communism with extra steps.
Started after the contract was agreed (but before Seasonal and got my Seniority). Everything they said is true. Lots of rushing at the beginning of a trailer and ending. Unrealistic expectations. You have to grow a little bit of thick skin esp to jerk Sups, just nod and continue same pace. The super Ireggs trailers (120+ lbs) they should send more help but never do then wonder why its taking so long lol. I do like the job, dislike my bosses, hate the shifting schedule (luckily getting moved to different shift). Air quality is probably bad (lots of dust). Lots of safety accidents waiting to happen (broken equipment etc). But there are a lot worse jobs like service ones (getting half the pay for twice the headache).
This literal brand new FedEx warehouse opened up near me. I got hired and during the orientation they said it's 3 or 6 months training I can't fully remember but they lied. Me and the other new guy had a trainer for not even a day. They also said during orientation that you're supposed to do team lifts on anything too heavy and this was taught by a "head of safety" I think that's the position that guy was in. Which is a lie the trainers told us to find the best grip possible and drag it. Not to mention they wanted all the heavy shit in the under part of the trailer there was a floor then underneath was more room for packages. I could only imagine the receivers trying to get those things outta there. The only packages they allowed team lifts on were when corporate or inspector or whatever was there. No ac whatsoever. And the water fountains with bottle fill ups were nowhere near our docks. That and we had to ask for permission to use the bathrooms and shit because so many people would go there to catch a break. They said in orientation if it gets too hot let us know and we'll give you a break. That almost never happened. The fucking trainers aren't even really trainers. They just show you everything in about 30 minutes and then they go off too there own trucks and you never see them again. It was super annoying because we literally weren't shown everything in 30 minutes. There was a special needs guy helping us more than the trainers were. And he ended up getting overwhelmed with questions about the handheld device that he didn't know how to really explain he just knew how to use it and that was it if that makes sense. That and he wasn't a trainer but ours were literally nowhere to be found. He complained to the manager we got bitched at for not finding our trainers and ultimately he couldn't find either. Never apologized. And we were only paid 18 an hour and only did 4 hours days for 3-4 days a week. I could barely afford rent and ended up leaving a few weeks later.
Now lets see how expensive UPS gets for the consumer. Oh and now lets see how many layoffs happen. Lastly, what the ripple effect will be on the economy because of all this.
I'm baffled that every truck doesn't have A/C. Even the cheapest rental moving van has A/C. It's a small price to pay to keep the economy from tanking.
Yeah, they actually forced people to take water breaks every hour. It still happens but they try to prevent it. Its partly do to global warming and the fact we had 120 avg weeks
The maintenance cost rises and reliability sinks over time. So unless they're petty they won't put off buying new trucks. Companies don't buy new trucks for the sake of having new trucks, they buy them because it's cheaper to replace than to maintain at a certain point. Also newer trucks tend to be more efficient.
@ThePandafriend this is a rational way of looking at the problem And the funny thing is, companies are run by humans and they dont tend to be rational
@@fulcrum2951I'm a UPS driver. I had a really old truck that wouldn't go over 40 miles when it was near freezing. Everyone, even the mechanics, said that truck shouldn't be circulating, except the supervisors, who signed it off to keep circulating in spite of that because according to them, there weren't enough truck, even though there were a few rentals I could use while waiting for the truck to be fixed. It eventually got broken betond repair
Clapped up the plot addition the labor stepping in telling the Union boss “if we review and vote on it”. Too many negotiations seem to not include the labor because the union boss declares to know what is best. Too many times it leads to corporate bankruptcy and no jobs.
Ban on driver facing cameras is very underrated. Apparently it’s “to help the drivers in the event of an accident” but I just don’t see a scenario where it would help any more than only having an outward facing camera would. It just seems like something to save their ass and put all of the blame on the driver if an accident does occur. Not to mention it feels very invasive. Imagine a camera mere inches from your face all day that (at any time) dozens of people could access without your knowledge. Driver facing cameras are one of the worst ideas that logistics and trucking companies have had in years. Taxis? Sure. Could save you from false allegations by passengers, but we’re carrying packages, not passengers. Packages don’t make false allegations.
Texting and driving causes more accidents, fatal and otherwise, than the next five causes combined. It ain't so someone can be a voyeur, it's because there's a real problem there. Ups or any other company employing drivers would not last long without something to mitigate that. Wouldn't take killing but a few families and trashing trucks for them to be underwater rather quickly. Most of them have no audio either. Strictly for making sure people aren't playing with their phones or other dangerous distractions while driving.
@@philbert006while that may be their intent, they actually want ways to fire people since seniority gives you a raise every year, so if you can find an excuse to fire someone to replace them with a newer driver that is cheaper than a senior one, then you can just catch them making a tiny mistake to write them up, like say, taking a sip of water would be enough of an excuse to try to write them up
@@OMartinez91 you're no doubt correct about that, and even more so in a union setting. They will always do everything to get rid of senior employees. But they will also not violate the law over something was simple as that, especially not a union job. Maybe working construction, you might get a hard time. But still, they will not do anything like firing someone over water in a non climate controlled environment, or writing them up. That would be admitting to violating law and providing written evidence. Not going to happen. And a union will have all kinds of structured breaks and procedures and have the employer providing ways to cool off, all kinds of stuff.
Literally every other retail job, and majority of non retail jobs are on camera. It's not a violation of anyones rights to film inside their property, the vans are UPS' property and are allowed to film there. If you're not doing anything wrong while being paid for a job why are you worried about being filmed while doing it. Off the clock or on your own property is completely different.
@@Mr.Pants45camera in the cars should be fine. I think it's where exactly the camera is, inches from your face, like he said, would actually be annoying mate, let's be honest here
Oh and by the way the contract also tied to the over inflated promise of profits to share holders resulted in 12,000 employees getting laid off so good for who?
I actually left the Indianapolis UPS warehouse due to poor conditions including poor pay compared to hours worked or available. There are still other issues that need addressing, but this seems like a step in the right direction.
@@naproupi Demanding that the studios cease any use of AI without permission by a writer/the union is just not going to happen. And then not being willing to compromise on any of their *other demands because "yOu NeEd Us BuT wE dOnT nEeD yOu!1!" is not a sound negotiation strategy.
@@AnonD38 it's funny because that wasn't one on the main demands, just the thing journalists chose to focus on to feed on the "ai steal jobs" Drama They asked for the outdated way writers pay works to be updated to modern standards like streaming, for the studios to stop tricking amateurs into writing for free with mini rooms and for better pay overall, ai was bought up, but a total ban on ai wasn't a deal breaker at all But sure sure they're so entitled to want to be paid for the least glorified crucial job in Hollywood. Studios literally never recognised them exept the last time they went on strike long enough. Also what's the studio excuse ? cost ? They're fine paying actors millions and special effects even more but if the guy who actually wrote the damn story ask for a decent percentage, not even that, just being paid well compared to the average salaryman, nah suddenly money's gone. They could easily let them get most of their demand the same way this video shows, but they do not want to because they don't respect them. And the fact that writers aren't respected in a supposely central place to art creation, should be worrying to everyone.
I respect how the 2 actually worked together, were understanding of the others position/resources and were willing to be flexible. This is how you get things done in general. If you just threaten and are inflexible even if you get what you want you would’ve ended up creating a whole other issue being distain between bosses and workers where one sees the other as an unforgivable evil that should be dealt with harshly and only treated or thought of negatively or with envy while the other sees them as barbarous threats that can’t be reasoned with and therefore you shouldn’t give the mice a cookie unless they absolutely have to. A move like this shows the workers that the bosses aren’t monsters and are able to understand them and the bosses see that the workers are understanding and reasonable intern making a more positive work environment for everybody
UPS wanted to give a .35 cent raise and split it up over the course of a year. Yeah, that CEO is a moron. Those guys and gals work too hard for scraps.
The employees weren’t happy, made their disapproval known and the plan was changed to accommodate the wants of the Employees. That’s not the actions of a moron, that’s good business.
@@AnonD38Yes...a 35 cent raise is good business. Even better idea!...when the company makes record profits...we buy a pizza party (for far less than a reasonable raise). That .35 raise is an insult, its not even close to inflation and is terrible business.
@@AnonD38 It was only good business because the alternative was a strike. The union was essentially able to threaten the company into compliance. Which is good.
This suggests that some workers, based on an arbitrary definition of being 'beneficial to society', don't deserve the right to negotiate the already heavily imbalanced relationship between worker and owner. People deserve better than what they're getting in almost every job in America. The ability to negotiate should not only be available for the arbitrarily defined 'necessary' workers. That's both reductive as hell and cruel to 95% of people that work in America.
