How was The Book of Mormon ACTUALLY translated? The clues to its authenticity with Mike Day. 

The seer stone seems to be quite controversial to many of you. Here is a statement from Mike and his sources! None of us saw the translation process. I do not know how it was done as I (Mike Day) was not there. But Emma Smith, William Smith, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris testified that Joseph used the stone. You can read their accounts here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2015/08/joseph-smith-translated-the-book-of-mormon-with-a-seerstone/ The Paul brothers posted it in the description, but just in case you missed it. I also share how there were several witnesses that testified that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim as well. You can see my collection of witness statements (Joseph, Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer) regarding this here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2015/08/joseph-smith-translated-the-plates-with-the-urim-and-thummim/ Again, the Paul brothers posted this in the description. The evidence is all there. But what am I doing? I am trying to see how these stories worked together based on witness testimony, and we are all doing our best. But at the end of the day, I do not know. I wasn’t alive then. I put McConkie and Ostler’s rebuttal in the article and hyperlinked it as well. Here is their article: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2021/01/the-process-of-translation/ As to "credible sources," I guess it all comes down to what we do with Emma Smith's statement as well as David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and William Smith. We (members of the Church) certainly quote them extensively when their testimonies say what we want them to say. I am just saying that they did make these statements.

You both helped inspire me to start a RU-vid channel with my brother called EveryDay Witnesses. Our first video comes out this Sunday!

No need to apologize for getting off track. There’s so much information no matter what direction your taking the conversation. I could sit and listen for hours! Great episode (along with your others) thank you so much for all this info😊

I love these topics because my Great-Great-Great Grandmother was there when they were translating the plates. Her Name was Sarah Heller Conrad Bunnell. She was the house keeper for the Whitmer family and whenever Joseph and Oliver would come down from translating the plates she related a story of what they looked like when the would come down, she said, "they looked so exceedingly white and strange". Please look her up. She is an amazing lady and was true to what she saw all of her days. Thanks

My eyes are old, my ears don’t always hear every word, but my heart is full. Love your podcast. I am 71 great grandma and I am stoked. Would love to buy a PDF Transcription. Sooo cool!

Also, Don Bradley’s book about the lost 116 pages is a marvelous contribution to LDS history. All should read it.

I cannot tell you guys how much I loved this! Recently a family member has gone down the Anti -LDS rabbit hole and listens only to one RU-vid channel which just spews all the regurgitates the same criticisms over and over but calls themselves “Mormon” (ironic?) so I’ve been doing my homework in order to be armed with the truth. What I’ve come to find is that my testimony has only increased by my research! This was seriously the best thing I have listened to and most relatable! Keep ‘em coming!!

This is what I love to see! Our scriptures being read and discussed and LOVED! Bravo TSOJ!! The Bible is amazing, the BoM is amazing and supports the Bible in the most beautiful way. More of this stuff!

Great info, love the format. Suggestion - let the guest(s) talk more, give them max air time. Keep it up amigos.

Don Bradley’s 116 pages is the most impactful book on the BoM I’ve ever read. It blew my mind and strengthened by belief in the narrative of origin. Just an amazing and well authored work that no one should ignore if you truly want to know if the BoM is what it is purported. Great guest and interview guys!!!

Humility in our understanding is shown by honesty in our sources, motivations, and lack of full spectrum understanding. All would benefit from admitting to ourselves and others that faith is required in all areas of study. Well done guys!

I am so thrilled this popped up in my feed. I have been studying with Talking Scriptures for a very long time and love Mike and Bryce to pieces. I want to study with them in person This was such a fabulous way of studying (talking( This format was excellent I felt like I was there in person Thank you so so much

This is an awesome discussion! Love your channel! Y’all rock! 💕☀️🔥

This is a great episode. We really like Mike from Talking Scriptures. So much more to cover with him. Looking forward to more.

The small plates were most likely just with the abridgement because they were brought separately to Joseph by the angel when they arrived in Fayette. Also there is a record of them meeting a heavenly messenger transporting the abridgement to Cumorah.

Try to put "Easter Eggs" and "5 rap songs that haven't been written yet" in the text including Chiazmas and etc... in a single draft; simply miraculous. Another drop in the bucket that proves the Book of Mormon is true! Loved this!

Great interview! Mike Day kills it. This whole channel rocks. You guys are doing great.It's good to see when a plan comes together.

Dang, this was amazing. Never seen your channel. Here to stay. Very very impressive and inspiring.

LOVE THIS CHANNEL! I love this kind of stuff. You guys are awesome. Little opinion. Let your guests finish their thought before you jump in. Other than that you guys are kicking butt! Keep the episodes coming!!👍

So perfect that you released this, just minutes earlier I put out a reading of the translation of the “Caractors” document! Perfect timing, maybe inspired?

I’m on the 47th minute and I already feel I have to rewatch this video. I’m too dumb to understand everything but I love it.

Mike is amazing and I’d love to just hang out and talk thru things and listen to him. Such an awesome video!!

I love your content and you really have some great people on your channel! Well done!

This is amazing information you guys put into these podcasts. Keep up with this because it is pure gold to all of us that listen to it.

I am totally loving your work! You two are very authentic. I love watching your journey as we (yes, I feel like I’m journeying with you) explore all of these topics. Keep up the great work! Stay unpolished!

Thank you for the awesome discussion on the scriptures. I look forward to seeing more of you videos and am grateful that I found your channel. Keep up the great work guys.

Love your show. I could listen all day.

Hey Brother Day!! Your Isaiah Institute class was one of my favorites for sure!!

You need to invite Johnathan Neville to come and talk about the translation and church history about the Book of Mormon

So good to finally "see" Mike!! He's just been a voice, via his & Bryce's podcast, for 3 years 😄 This was very enjoyable, thanks!!

Thanks for sharing! Love your videos. My favorite example of the Mosiah-first narrative connections is Alma 36:22 and 1 Nephi 1:8

You need to do a series of Podcast with Mike Day. Your hitting areas that everyone wants more of. Mike is pure GOLD!

There is so much fascination information that I will need to listen to this over and over again. Love this!

Thank you about authenticity! Absolutely! You hit the head of the nail on that one. If anyone doesn’t seem authentic, it becomes hard to listen. Others just simply tune it completely out.

Hi again , I really like the way you guys think . its a lot like the way I have come to think .I am a member of the LDS church , but I hav"ent been active in a long time . I believe the Book Of Morman is from God through Joseph Smith . I read it often .as well as the Bible { King James version) .also ( New King James version .) .thanks fore your good words .they are very help full ,God bless .

Joseph Smith had the Urim and Thummim in April of 1829. Look at D&C 7. He had the Interpreters after the Lost 116 pages. Jonathan Neville has a wonderful book called A MAN THAT CAN TRANSLATE: JOSEPH SMITH AND THE NEPHITE INTERPRETERS. He also wrote a book called Letter VII which gives Oliver Cowdery's experience. Emma Smith only told the Seer stone story AFTER Joseph was dead and after Whitmer and William Smith began to tell the stone in the hat story. You guys should interview Hannah Stoddard from the Joseph Smith Foundation.

You guys never sound stupid. I appreciate your very intelligent exploration of relevant topics with fantastic guests. Excellent! Thank you! (BTW, love Talking Scripture!)

This is your BEST video to date! Loved seeing you guys getting all excited in the interview. This needs a part 2! Mike Day, are you a descendant of Henry Eastman Day?

Wonderful video! I thought this geeking out was just great. My wife and I listen to Mike and Bryce all the ti'm on talking scriptures. We'll be listening to this podcast a lot more now too.

Everyone needs to read the book by James E. Lucas and Jonathan Neville called By Means of the Urim and Thummim. Richard Bushman says, "All readers who take the translation seriously must recon with this book." You'll get a clearer picture that the plates, the Book of Mormon was translated with the Urim and Thummim, not dictated with a stone.

[32] When Cowdery returned to the Church in 1848, he declared that he “wrote with my own pen the intire book of mormon (Save a few pages) as it fell from the Lips of the prophet.” Cowdery further explained, “As he translated it by the gift and power of god, By means of the urum and thummim, or as it is called by that book holy Interperters. I beheld with my eyes. And handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated. I also beheld the Interperters.” Focusing upon his experiences while they translated, he emphatically stated, “That book [The Book of Mormon] is true.” Reuben Miller, journal, October 21, 1848, Church History Library

These discussions are fantastic! Thank you for identifying and articulating the need for greater authenticity. Above all, thank you for sharing your testimonies here. When you shared your experience in pursuit of your seminary graduation, I was impressed with your spiritual witness of the power of the Book of Mormon to divinely change us and teach us. You are going to be catalysts for greater spiritual growth in a generation of followers of Christ.

I believe what The Doctrine and Covenants says that The Book of Mormon was translated by means of The Urim and Thummum.

Do you guys have a podcast? I've tried looking it up on Spotify but I can't find anything.

I really enjoyed this. Especially the unplanned part about authenticity. I’ve also had some of my strongest spiritual feelings in the ARP meetings.

what were the different sources that were used to construct the old testament ? ex. priestly and another one or two were mentioned , were there more? thanks

excellent discussion! I learned a lot this video!

This is an amazing informative video! Thank you so much for this content! I had HUGE aha moments while listening to this! Wow!

Thanks for this very interesting interview! This is the first I've heard from Mike Day.. what an amazing guy :) One thought just came to me after watching this, and I'm sure that others have thought of this same idea before: The plates that Joseph got from Moroni must have been the same size (x/y dimensions) as the small plates of Nephi, since the small plates were included, unedited, as is, by Mormon. This implies that Mormon's abridgement of the large plates must also have been the same size as the small plates in order to make them all fit together neatly without some pages/portions sticking out relative to others. The same goes for the sealed portion. Perhaps Mormon purposely made the abridged plates smaller in x/y dimensions because he foresaw that his son Moroni would have to carry them around for a while before burying them, and he probably also gave him enough blank pages to fill in with his own revelations/history, giving him just enough that he could still carry around but not so much that it would be too heavy :) Also, perhaps Nephi's small plates were made smaller in dimension originally, for similar reasons, with the anticipation that they would have to be carried around more than larger plates due to their increased importance (doctrinally, rather than historically) to be part of the portions that were to 'speak from the dust' in the latter days.

Another great video! You guys ROCK!

Where can I find his quote of Brigham Young on revelation clothed in our broken language? 52:32

I appreciate the work you do and the fair approach you take. Would you consider bringing Mike from LDS Discussions (he has had his series on Mormon Stories as well) to have an open conversation on these topics? It would make for a much more robust conversation instead of you trying to say what you think "critics" say...and same for the "critics" on their shows as they try to guess at what "apologists" would say. Instead would be great to have both in the same room to have a fair and respectful open dialogue.

i LOVE ur videos! TYSM for all th research and knowledgeable guests u hv! I wish i had seen ur vids b4 i left...imo EVERY member shld be familiar w/th subjects u are discussing.

are u familiar w/th Bible Code and equidistant word searches that spell out modern-day world events, names, etc? i wld LOVE to see this applied to th BOM and see wat comes up. Maybe hv to use th 1st edition...wat are UR thoughts on th Bible Code? just another rabbit hole for y'all to explore...THANK U for ur AWESOME videos!

Joseph affirmed that he “translated from the plates,” and that he used the Urim and Thummim to do so. After the loss of the 116 pages by Martin Harris, both the plates and the Urim and Thummim were taken from him. Without the Urim and Thummim he could not translate. During this period Joseph made a short visit to his parents in Manchester, New York, and then returned again to Pennsylvania. “Immediately after my return home,” he recounted, “I was walking out a little distance, when, behold, the former heavenly messenger appeared and handed to me the Urim and Thummim again for it had been taken from me in consequence of my having wearied the Lord in asking for the privilege of letting Martin Harris take the writings, which he lost by transgression and I inquired of the Lord through it, and obtained the following [section 3]” (Smith, History of the Church, 1:21-22)

Terrific information! 👏🏻 A bit of clarification: Oliver Cowdery was Lucy Smith’s third cousin I believe, and the elder Smith’s and Oliver’s relatives apparently were living in Tunbridge Vermont around the same time.

Excellent content! Wow! I gotta listen to that again. 😎🙌

I think the small plates were in a separate ring binder not included in the large plates ring binder. So, The translation from the Whitmer's home was from the small plates binder. At that time, they did not have in their possession, the large plates..

Wow , thank you all for such an incredible spiritual stick of Joesph with brother Day . Love all your passion and inspirational stories and topics of the book of mormon and the bible with insight , truth and knowledge that brings light and understanding and feel the spirit witness theses precious sacred words that were written and said is done through the power of God the father and his beloved son Jesus Christ connects our hearts in one to him. Love from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️

Has Mike Day read the research from Jerry Grover on the translation of the “Caractors” document?

I learned about the translation order from the introduction to Royal Skousen's edition of the original text. Keeping that in mind while I read has been enlightening. I had not noticed that about Moroni wrapping up by quoting the small plates authors. I like the comparison to rap; it reminds me of jazz. For a long time I've called Jacob's sermons jazz solos. The Book of Mormon is richer and I am ever more convinced of its truth the more I notice and account for the mortal limitations of its authors.

Love. Love. Love your channel and bro. .Day I'm 69 yrs. And a member of 45 yes. I'm a self taught research geek!!! I'm teaching myself Hebrew. Through Genealogy I've found I'm from Judah, both sons also Joseph's both sons. Also Dan and Benjamin. I have not found any one that has such a jaw dropping family tree that Family Search has expanded on from my years of indepth research. I just love it when someone like you two have a rapid fire. fast paced delivery of amazing facts and info to spring board into more indepth research!!! Most drag it out slowly and I just want to start pulling my hair out in frustration. So I have been sharing your channel with family and friends. Awesome work guys. Please keep it up!!! Those of us that need the fast pace are in GEEK heaven!!!

Thank you brethren. I so appreciate your discussions an passion for the Book of Mormon and Jesus Christ!

I love the “we’ll edit that in post” mentality from people and then you just “edit what in where?” and plow on through haha Beautiful

Am I mistaken in saying that the issue with "deutero Isaiah" comes down to the fact that Isaiah made a number of prophecies which came me to pass and secular scholars don't believe in the idea of prophecy, therefore those prophecies must have been written after the fact? Am I oversimplifying or is there something I'm missing?

Hannah Stoddard would also be a great interview about Joseph Smith and the translation.

Feel like I'm watching Frank, Joe, and Fenton Hardy discuss the gospel and I am HERE for it.

I usually won’t watch a podcast where the hosts interrupt their guests. But this felt so authentic and real, like I was there watching y’all talk! I was mesmerized for the hour and a half.

A beautiful testimony at the end, thank you.

Where can I find more info about the speaking in code that Isaiah practices?

@Stick of Joseph When you guys were talking about the lost/stolen 116 pages of the Book of Lehi, that reminded me of the passage somewhere in either 1 or 2 Nephi where Nephi writes something like "... and the Lord wanted I, Nephi, to write again what my father had already written in his book. And I inquired of the Lord as to why he wanted me to do that and the Lord said to me not to worry about why he wanted me to write again the writings of my father other than it was wisdom in him that I should do it. So I, Nephi, to be obedient to the Lord, did write again the writings of my father because the Lord had commanded me to and I do not know the reason why." It is something like that. Do any of you know what passage I am talking about? I have not been in the scriptures for years now so I am just going off of the top of my head but that is what I recollect learning a very long time ago. And I am wondering how germain to your discussion it might be!! Thanks. God bless you all and all of yours and take care.

I remember less "perfect" conferences - but if i recall correctly, a lot of it has to do with television time, networks etc as they expanded television coverage - not solely on KSL. That said - love your programs!!

Very fun episode. I’d love to hear more about the Deuteromistic period and the conflicts at the end of the first temple period. Get Margaret Barker on to talk about how Heavenly Mother was edited out of scripture!

Between Don Bradley and Margaret Barker, I feel like so much of the Book of Mormon has been unlocked. Also studying through the spirit has helped further those connections between the ancient world and the temple endowment Besides Ezekiel 1, Isaiah 6 is also a vision of God, in the temple.

I loved the humanity of it all. Joseph losing the pages is like us losing out way.

I think the Stone-In-The-Hat was just a demonstration. You should bring on Jonathan Neville to explain.

Mike Day is such a fun, faithful man to listen to. I listen to Talking Scriptures so when I saw he's on this channel too, I knew I had to watch it!

Great video, gentlemen! I'm not LDS but I've been studying the faith for over 40 years. I have a serious question (not trying to attack or argue) regarding the time it took to write the BoM. It was mentioned several times in the video how quickly Joseph wrote the BoM and how that proves he couldn't have created the story himself. It's important to remember that he announced the visit from Moroni in 1823 telling him about the plates, but he didn't take possession of the plates until exactly 4 years later (1827). Couldn't he have used those 4 years to research, outline, and prepare the story, so that when he did the translating in 1828 and 1829, it appeared to be done very quickly??

Don't know how to subscribe but love what you do. I know for myself that Joseph told the truth, Thank you

I loved this episode but have to admit I was a little distracted by the fireplace covering the doors and there were no door knobs. 🤔

Playlist of several interviews and podcasts of Don Bradley talking about the Lost 116 pages and his book about them: ru-vid.com/group/PLjtaEiCVQh7cC9dBFE5Db211xwovr0tNl

Hi. First off I want to say I love these videos and I first saw your channel on a Wayne May video. Secondly I want to tell you that I’m in my 50s, but I am young at heart and I also embrace authenticity. To be completely honest, one of the reasons why I fell away from the church many years ago is because I felt that there was a lot of fake emotion and That the sincerity of heart was just not there. It was like listening to people read from a script….I know this church is true… Etc. ad nauseam. after living a life of sin and worldliness, I finally got tired of it all and when I was at the bottom of where I thought the barrel was, I started to go back to church. So many people have been praying for me for so long, and finally I looked and turned my head back towards the Lord and stopped being stiffnecked. That’s what that phrase means. By the way. Stephen act mean stubborn and not listening and refusing to turn your head when the Lord calls you. So I heard him call me finally, and I came back. I was kicked out of the church many years ago because of my bad behavior and sinful nature. But I have finally started to read the book of Mormon and I mean really read it with an open heart and open mind and I have been so moved so many times to read the stories of these people and I can feel their anguish and their love, and their grief and their anger and their strength, and it is so real to me for the first time in my life. this may surprise you to hear this, but I have been to a couple of places in North America where book of Mormon events took place. I haven’t felt the spirit at one of those places and that is what first convinced me I needed to really read the whole book of Mormon. I’m not reading it in order I’m skipping around a little bit and following my heart. I’m seeing all the book of Mormon videos put up by the church and that story is amazing. I’ve looked at some of the places where you guys have visited already and I know for sure that these places are real and that Lehigh and his wife and sons did in fact, live in the place that has been talked about Recently. I’ve looked into a lot of things in the last few months in the last few years. I know that I have three main missions to accomplish while I’m on earth. One of them involves learning everything I can about all the places that the book of Mormon and the Bible took place because this knowledge would be crucial and one of my missions. I didn’t get to go on a mission when I was young because I was living a life of sin. So I’m going to make it up to the Lord by spending the rest of my life doing everything I can. I have to raise my children first, then I will take care of the other two things. I enjoy your show, and you would be surprised, really surprised to know how much evidence there really is of the presence of the Nephites and the Lamanites on the North American continent. If you really want to find out where a lot of things are located, you need to head up into the Appalachian mountains. All the best to you guys and I wish you luck and much success in your future endeavors to complete the stick of Joseph project.

Let me ask a question that hopefully will make you ponder. If the Liahona could be magically transported from wherever it came from, why couldn’t the same thing have happened with the plates? Was the beheading of Laban necessary at all?

Thank you for the show. As long as you keep the Holy Ghost in your interviews you'll be okay. And if someone has advanced farther than you, in spiritual matters, then I think they should be appreciated, and not be dissed on, nor pulled down to a level you are more comfortable with. I like your happy, positive efforts to bring more truth to light, and put a good light on honest souls from the past who did their best to obey God.

Love this so much!!! I think my favourite moment was 43:22. The scriptures aren’t boring!!

Awesome video! I enjoyed the unscripted conversations. One of the frustrating things that was pointed out is that Utah is one of the highest consumers of pornography. I believe Ward Radio debunked this citing that when they studied this claim there were a lot of inconsistencies with that initial claim. I've always been skeptical of that claim.

@ 1:02:24 it was neat to see you all with different types of Book of Mormon. Same book different form to digest.

I bought Don Bradley's book on the Lost 116 pages a few weeks ago and have been reading it. It truly is awesome! Great discussion, brethren! Joseph was indeed called of God to translate the most correct Book of Mormon!

Great episode

Just love this channel… I too have a powerful testimony of the Book of Mormon and the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ.. Thank you so much for these videos.. I wish more people would do this !!! ♥️♥️♥️

Fantastic video brothers!!! Also love talking scripture!!!

Great podcast guys. I am liking this new generation of thinkers. My journey has taken me out of the corporate Utah church structure, but I haven't changed my mind about the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith Jr. or the revelations he received except to compare them first to Torah. I also freely and openly retain my friends of the church and love my family members with no differences except through an older man's lens. What I have acquired since includes coming to know our RLDS Cousins who are descended from Joseph in Missouri, and the multitudes coming to the Hebrew roots Messianic movement. I don't think Mormons are very much aware of these worldwide developments, because as Mormons we were given such an important head start with our understanding: we do not replace the Jews, but we stand side by side with them. This is huge. Your theory about the Brass Plates really struck me as, "hmm... what it?" Our Hebrew New Testament Gospels project has obtained gold and lead plates from the 2nd temple that memorializes Hebrew alphabets from Solomon to Judas Maccabees which is approx centered at 600 BC. The Hebrew is fascinating that is written on them. Some day you'll have to introduce me to Mike Day. I must say, the LDS youth today are much better taught than we were. -- Shalom young brothers.

55:36 THIS! This is the thought I’ve had, but didn’t know how to put it into words. We need to be authentic to one another.

I was very interested in the section about the schism in Judaism and the redactions etc. in the texts of the Old Testament, removing references to the corporeal nature of God. Some years ago, I heard someone talk about the Septuagint and changes made in the Greek translation. That discussion sounded a lot like this one. Do you have a short list of references where I can study more on this subject? The reference to the “Great and Abominable Church” in the Book of Mormon has always been a bit problematic. One might think we are pointing fingers at some specific organization or denomination that has existed since the time of Christ. However, the discussion I heard earlier helped me to realize that that “church” has been at work opposing the Doctrine of Christ from the very beginning, not just since the time Christ established his Church on the earth. I wouldn’t mind taking Mike’s Old Testament class a couple of times.

MORE PLEASE!

This episode was 🔥

You said in the celestial room embracing your family? What if you don't have a family? What are you embracing then?

It's kinda funny that this channel is titled The Stick Of Joseph. A lot of women in Nauvoo had personal experiences with The Stick of Joseph.

I took a New Testament class from Truman Madsen at BYU. His classes were very similar to what you described of Mike Day's class.

I agree with you sometimes conference is flat… But Elder Bednar addressed why stake conference talks/environment is different then general conference and why it won’t be changing, in a devotional, he said, (paraphrasing) conference is a sacred environment and has to be treated as such. At stake conference or a devotional they can be more personal/relaxed.