HTTYD 2 For the Dancing and the Dreaming (and the Dies Irae) - John Powell and Jónsi

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John Powell and Jónsi’s “For the Dancing and the Dreaming” from HTTYD 2 is definitely not my favorite HTTYD song, but there are some really unique aspects to it that are worth discussing - some of which I’ve only discovered very recently (it’s the Dies Irae). I’m not sure if it’s there on purpose, but it 100% has the right notes. So here's another HTTYD score analysis: For the Dancing and the Dreaming (and the Dies Irae).
I didn’t expect to cover the Dies Irae in a HTTYD score analysis, but here I am. At least I have a little something new to say about it; I haven’t found anywhere else that someone has identified it in HTTYD (or Spider-Man: Homecoming).
Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
For the Dancing and the Dreaming, John Powell and Jónsi - 01:19
Battle - 03:37
Dies Irae (?) - 04:40
Stoick's Death and Funeral- -06:45
Ending/Remembrance - 09:05
Outro - 09:27
Sources:
HTTYD 2 Documentary - John Powell and Jónsi:
• Making of How to Train...
Dies Irae:
Dies Irae Hymn: www.britannica.com/topic/Dies...
Dies Irae Gregorian Chant: gregorian-chant-hymns.com/hymn...
Dies Irae in Movies Video, Brian Laguardia: • Dies Irae in the Movies
Sideways Dies Irae Videos:
Sweeney Todd Video: • How the Music Spoils S...
Rogue One Video: • Rogue One: A Star Wars...
Sideways, How Pixar Uses Music to Make You Cry: • How Pixar uses Music t...
Sigur Rós Pronunciation:
18seconds.sigurros.com/band/p...
Spider-Man: Homecoming - The World is Changing Scene: • Video
Spider-Man: Homecoming - The World is Changing Song: • The World is Changing
Scenes and Scores Videos:
HTTYD 1 Playlist: • HTTYD - Scenes with Sc...
HTTYD 2 Playlist: • HTTYD 2 - Scenes with ...
HTTYD 3 Playlist: • HTTYD 3 - Scenes with ...
I do not own the rights to any of the clips, movies, songs, etc. All belongs to Dreamworks and For the Dancing and the Dreaming was written by John Powell and Jónsi. No copyright infringement intended.

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@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Here's a comprehensive look at John Powell and Jónsi's For the Dancing and the Dreaming from HTTYD 2! I know this video is fairly straightforward, but I've had a lot of trouble getting it done and it's been delayed for months, so thanks for watching!

@peeblekitty5780 2 года назад

you pointed out that stoick's funeral theme in httyd2 is derived from the "dancing and the dreaming" theme and i don't think i'll ever recover

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

That's what makes it so sad and so effective. Powell really took that theme a lot further than just the singing scene it's introduced in. That would have been the last of it.

@glocknessmonster115 Год назад

I noticed this when listening to the two back to back, time to cry again 😭

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

It’s easier to notice when listening back.

@s.garciamusik2125 3 года назад

Oh yes, I always loved that part where their theme comes in as Stoick defends Valka! This was a wonderful analysis, thank you for covering this great OST.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

It's a great highlight! And thanks for the praise!

@polarbearicequeen 3 года назад

I personally love the dies irae and find that it really fits this movie well, because you can look at these movies as a world ending and a world being made through hardship and wrath over and over again. Seeing it be made a happy tune is rather intriguing, actually, because that can confer hope as well as sadness even on the darkest scenes.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Hey, welcome and interesting take! You're the friend Zack sent over, right? Thanks for checking it out.

@polarbearicequeen 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore That I am! And you're quite welcome!

@jsantiago9485 2 года назад

The song is beautiful & I never noticed the 3 romance themes. Very moving to understand this better

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

There’s always more to learn about these soundtracks. Always more to find on closer inspection.

@zacksstuff 3 года назад

Awesome stuff. Thank you for introducing me to the concept of the Dies Irae, I'd never heard it discussed before and now I'll be keeping an ear out in every score I listen to. It's always fun to discover new musical things.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Absolutely! The Dies Irae is just everywhere!

@simonfrasch3066 3 года назад

As always thank you for putting in the time to make this video. John Powell is a master of crafting good love themes. All of the HTTYD love themes have incredible emotional power. His love Theme for Solo is another amazing love theme, which like The Hidden World love theme has a golden age quality to it. Probably one of my favorite love Themes of all time were written by Powell. I actually never realized the connection to Dias Ire. I wonder if Dias Ire is always used intentionally. I mean I know it is in Star wars and the Lion King. But it also appears in Jurassic Park and Rogue One etc. The Idea to reuse the Love Theme for the funeral is amazing. It gives this allready emotional scene a lot more power. I Hope we will see more of those videos. Maybe even on other Powell Scores.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks for your praise! I just recently listened to the Solo expanded score and you're right about that love theme, it's really special. I'm sure all the Dies Irae instances you mention (and many more) are intentional, but you're right that this kind of raises a question of "Can it be an accident?" And yes, I'm sure using the theme for the funeral is a huge part of what makes it so effectively tragic. Thanks for stopping in and for your interest! It will probably be a while, but I do have plans!

@simonfrasch3066 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I can wait. Yeah you are probably right, that they are intentional in most if not all cases. But I could see someone writing a melody with the same 4 note motive. Well we'll probably never know.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

I actually asked around a bit and I think someone told me they did it on accident. I guess it's like slipping into anything, and it is just four notes after all that just happen to have a very specific connotation.

@simonfrasch3066 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Yeah I ecpected that. Thanks for the interesting insight

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Yeah, no problem!

@WhiteWolf2874 Год назад

I've always loved the trilogy and especially the soundtrack. The soundtrack for each movie is unique but I absolutely love all the different tracks. Without the amazing music, the movies wouldn't be as half as good as they are. Watching your videos gives me appreciation for the music in the movies (and your videos) even more - so thank you for that.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

And thank you! What have you learned from my videos that stuck with you the most?

@WhiteWolf2874 Год назад

@@FilmScoreandMore How that the themes are actually made up from various instruments from different cultures, another thing that stuck with me was how they re-used the same themes multiple times but changed them depending on the specific scene.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

Definitely. There is a lot of variety in instrumentation, orchestration, and ethnic instruments, plus many variations of each theme.

@WhiteWolf2874 Год назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Yes, please make more HTTYD content if you can! There's also a few other shows/series that I know that have good score.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

I’m working on some right now. There’s plenty more to talk about with HTTYD.

@Szymi285011 3 года назад

Pure pleasure! You were born to this ! I am deeply connected with these movies and now I am deeply connected with your videos as well :)

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks, that means so much! Especially since I struggled to finish this one and whip it into shape!

@Heathen3than 3 года назад

Interesting analysis and research as always! Keep it up :3

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks as always!

@skinkisd1530 Год назад

I haven't seen such an underated youtuber in years.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

Thanks for the compliment! What else have you seen on my channel and what did you enjoy about it?

@skinkisd1530 Год назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I'm quite late... xD... But... All the analysis videos. Basically everything with Jon Powell that you analyze.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

I appreciate you responding anyway. I’ve been a little inactive lately, but there’s more coming soon.

@othedeadlyslug2909 3 года назад

Absolutely amazing quality, Highly interested in your future videos.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

I'm really glad you enjoyed it that much, and that you're looking forward to more! It's probably going to be a while, but I definitely have some things in mind.

@coolfeet1 2 года назад

I found Dies Irae in a piece im playing in band cause of you and did the *leonardo dicaprio pointing at a screen* meme, and then no one else in the class including the teacher understood what I was saying but it was still really cool!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Really? That's funny! You'll start to recognize it all over the place now. Any chance the piece was written by Berlioz? He's the one who put it in a piece hundreds of years after it was a Medieval plainchant, which led to its revival and spread through other pieces of music. Requiem (Berlioz) - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Requiem_(Berlioz)

@coolfeet1 2 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore nope, it was in our Nightmare before Christmas medley, the entire Making Christmas song is just Dies Irae

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

@@coolfeet1 Ah of course, the Dies Irae is all over that score. You should show your class and the teacher some compilations of it. There are plenty out there.

@coolfeet1 2 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I just might!

@Yuvi445 3 года назад

You just got shared on r/httyd. Nice content if you make more HTTYD post it on reddit too i'd like to see it since i am active there.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks, that helps! I did share this on r/httyd, and the reason I'm on Reddit now is because one of my subscribers shared my Bagpipes in HTTYD video there before and it sent several people over. If you haven't seen it already I'd highly recommend it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LBLqcbOdZ2I.html&t

@RafaelMartinezSalas 3 года назад

Great analysis and amazing explanation, really loved the themes you talked in depth as well!

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Gracias, and good to see you here! I'm glad you enjoyed it so much.

@benm.3000 3 года назад

Very in depth analysis. Wonderfully researched and insightful.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it.

@HectorGarcia-ho3xe 2 года назад

Amazing meeeen!!!!! I love your content please keep doing it!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Thanks, that's great to hear! I have a new video coming up today!

@ZoldrackTeam 2 года назад

Just discovered your channel and I gotta say that I loved it. Awesome work man

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Great, thanks for your comment! There's plenty more to check out and I've got more coming soon. You can also check my community tab for updates.

@ViktoriousFlutes 3 года назад

Great analysis! I heard my music theory professor mention dies irae when Frozen 2 came out! I've actually wanted to record a cover for the dancing and the dreaming two years ago but never got to it. Maybe next time!

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks, and maybe you’ll get to it one day! I know you’ve done so many already.

@ViktoriousFlutes 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore well the video is out now 😉

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

That was a really fast turnaround; less than a week! And I promoted it in a few places!

@ViktoriousFlutes 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore oh nice! I had the music lying around in my computer for two years so it was kinda ready since I've played through it a couple of times.

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

@@ViktoriousFlutes I understand. I still have a lot of unfinished projects. It least this video makes one less for me.

@AchanCham_ 2 года назад

Excellent video!

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Thank you! There's more like this coming soon.

@christianxiong3947 3 года назад

Really interesting i can tell you put a lot of work you put into this video have you thought about buying the HTTYD score analysis? It brought a lot of insight on Powells writings

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Thanks! This video really took some extra work to get it up and running. If you mean the HTTYD 1 scorebook that was released in October I do have it. I'm planning on referencing it a lot in the future.

@emilyrln Год назад

I'm not crying you're crying 😭

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

I’m also not crying.

@RedCaio 3 года назад

eh, I don't hear a Dies Irae connection there. But still a great video :)

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

I understand, but it’s pretty verbatim in the last four notes there. I’m still not sure it was intentional!

@jacksonjames2489 2 года назад

Ninety-nine percent sure this motif was picked up with only slight modification as Omega's theme in 'The Bad Batch.' Its modulation in the season finale of that show is even better with this in mind (and vice versa).

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Do you mean For the Dancing and the Dreaming or the Dies Irae? I just gave it a listen and I can kind of hear similarities for both. Also, John Williams deliberately wrote the Dies Irae into Star Wars, so you can hear it in many places throughout the scores.

@jacksonjames2489 2 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore (Five months later...) 'For the Dancing' specifically. (Though, per your hypothesis, I s'pose it'd technically be both.) To follow up, if you've been watching 'Boba Fett' at all, especially after the second episode, chatter was 'Omega's Theme' could be heard at a couple of points. My updated question would be whether you pick up traces of the motif also in Boba's theme, which would mean that it wasn't so much 'Omega's Theme' people were hearing so much as it is that Boba ('Alpha') and Omega share a similar motif, Boba's version of it being a little less sentimental, a little more Western. Omega's is more lilting and legato, Boba's typically more strictly rhythmical, blunt and staccato. Anyway, I like the idea that their motifs would be 'twinned' this way, that they'd be more like two variations on the same theme than separate themes. Funny you mention the Dies Irae, though, cuz my favorite use of it in SW is when Anakin is in Luke's garage on Tatooine, where it's really prominent but in like an inchoate way before growing into the Emperor's theme and culminating in Vader. Funny, cuz this scene and everything Jango/Boba (movie and now show) are so bound up together (Tatooine, Kamino, Tuskens, all a' that). (And it all takes place right at the center of the trilogy, same location as most of its use in HTTYD.)

@FilmScoreandMore 2 года назад

Hmm, interesting ideas. Sorry I'm late to respond, a lot of comments got held for review for some reason. Even though I already responded to your initial comment it thought your new reply here was spam.

@liyuan492 Год назад

4:47 reminds me more of the descending sequence of eighth notes (Toothless's?) theme from the first movie

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

It is really similar. And I’ll be talking about that theme more in the next video.

@Agentpopcorn11 3 года назад

¿Me gusta? ¡Me gusta!

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

¡Sí!

@HajpeQ123 Год назад

Dies Irae sound... Familliar... Silksong...

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

It’s in A LOT of things.

@HajpeQ123 Год назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Like I get that, but this is THE main leitmotif of silksong.

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

@@HajpeQ123 I’m not surprised!

@HajpeQ123 Год назад

@@FilmScoreandMore Oh well, I guess it's just a suprise for me

@FilmScoreandMore Год назад

@@HajpeQ123 Of course, if you’ve never heard of it before. But now you’ll start hearing it everywhere.

@christianxiong3947 3 года назад

Also the dies irea appears in 1917 towards the end of the song Englander

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

I'll have to check that out! I really enjoyed 1917, and the Dies Irae is everywhere! I'm still not even sure it's supposed to be in this one!

@NewOrca 3 года назад

Yo, I tired to send you a message on discord, but it didn't work. I was wondering if you like to do the collaboration.i have a video idea in mind for my channel and I don't mind doing any voice lines for yours. I apologies I haven't done anything else been quiet busy 😅

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Hey, yeah I'm not sure I can give a definitive answer but I'd be happy to discuss it further on Discord! I know how to get in touch with you.

@NewOrca 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore noice, cos I really enjoy this video and I think it'll be fun to do something together

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

@@NewOrca Thanks. Yes, we’ll have to discuss it.