This is incredible! Your system is the reason I've stuck with Notion all these years and I'm so glad I did. I’m totally enjoying their constant improvements and growing ecosystem. Thanks for the walkthrough! Excited for your NLD launch!
That's so awesome to hear! Thank you for sharing that feedback - it means a lot to me to hear that it's been valuable in your life. Yes, we're very close with the new NLD, and it's going to be totally next level. Keep up the great work! Lots more to come.
Layouts and automations! Goodbye Fillout and maybe a little of Make and Zapier. More automations August. Is the new Mail functionality going to be inside Notion or a separate app like Calendar?
Right on! Totally agree, this is awesome. I hear you on the automations. Notion Mail is a separate app - a new app similar to how Notion Calendar is a separate app. Coming soon.
@@blacksheep_77 Yes. Forms, layouts, and the automation enhancements are rolling out to everyone in the next few days. You may not have it today, but you should have it by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. And you may have some of them already. Dive in and explore.
PPV related content. There are plenty of feature update videos. I'm more looking for the how to use those in a way that has an actual benefit and that in the PPV context which is about improving your quality of life, not just having cooler systems :)
The layouts don't work in wiki pages. Even worse, we can no longer reposition properties order in wiki pages. Love the feature but I really hope they bring it into wikis. It is kind of a miss in this regard, espcially since all my databases are wikis (clients, orders, invoices, etc.) and that it's not possible either to revert back to a page without losing all properties from the wiki. They should work on this. Great detailed video!
That is frustrating if we lost some of the wiki page flexibility. However, this is just the first iteration of layouts. There are definitely more expansions of these capabilities coming and already in development. Your approach of building everything into Wikis is a smart and sophisticated setup. So, I too would be disappointed if they introduced new functionality that didn't work there. One of the ideas of Wikis is that you can use it expansively, as you have. I have to think they're going to bring the capability fully into Wikis - it's just too important of a foundational element.
Thank you! I hugely appreciate that, Andrew. Massive congratulations on the brilliant product design and development with Notion Mail. Can't wait to see where this goes. 🚀
Regarding the layouts Q: How the layouts work with database templates? Q: Can the layouts and templates combine or they are separate features working independently? What I am missing with layouts are the capabilities to layout the page as header section, page section, and footer section. In each section to have fields where we can show the property values. Basically , to have a layout that is like traditional paper page. For example, in the footer to put signed by or signed date. To layout the properties on the page and combine them with page content. There is a huge potential for layout improvement and hopefully it will come in next year. PS Thx August for another great features presentation video.
With templates, it works just like the current approach. So whatever the property layouts are, they're going to be the same for all templates. I agree there is room for expansion, and I suspect Notion will do more with full-page and footer layouts. Right now, you can't really put properties down lower in a page under other page content. But this is a move in that direction, as you can move properties lower in the property stack and have them isolated in their own grouping. It's a great step in that direction. You're right, there's more that can be done, and I suspect it will be. I really appreciate your feedback. Good thoughts here!
Great video August! I'm looking forward to the Mail app but I'm even more excited about the Forms, both as something for the external information assembling and the internal as you described. The Layouts need to grow on me first 🙂 Very excited about the release in 2025!
Absolutely, forms built in natively with such a simple, effortless design really make data collection and entry so much easier - whether from high volumes of outsiders or even from yourself. I'm totally with you on this. And I think once you give layouts a chance, you'll really like it. I think it's awesome.
Do you know of a good way to start typing text in a Notion page but keeping multiple lines into 1 text block instead of Notion creating a new text block for each line of text? I use a workaround using a code block (JavaScript is the default), but that doesn't have spelling correcting and text formats among other things. I would really appreciate any tips. Thank you!!!
These all look good and practical adds to the system. The one key feature I would love to see is the ability to Filter a Relation Property selection options by another Property's input. At present it just gives you all content of that property in the related DB. I only want to see selection options based on another Property I have already input.
I totally agree, that would be a really nice feature. I'm actually surprised we can't do that yet, but sometimes these things take time. I'm hoping we get that in the reasonably near future. Database relations are such a fundamental core component of any system, so sorting by that property would really open things up. Good feedback, thank you. Thank you!
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
Thanks so much for the video Bradley. Unfortunately, I'm not able to see forms or even the customise layouts on my notion. I've the plus plan of Notion too .
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days. The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion mail.
You can always ignore these and use Notion just as before. Layouts are not required, just an optional possibility as you get more comfortable with the core Notion functionality. But overall, I would agree - Notion is getting harder to learn. That's one of the reasons we launched a "How to Learn Notion" training (FastTrack Notion). For years, I had complaints that the RU-vid videos were too advanced, and now it's even more complex to learn. So, I wanted to create a simpler onboard program for anyone. There's always a trade-off between capability and ease of use.
Agreed! That's my favorite of the whole list. And as you start working with it, you see more and more opportunities to leverage it. The initial intro just scratches the surface. I would love to hear what you come up with using it.
Form, Layouts, Automations ... Now reminds me of the best early versions of Filemaker Pro for the Soho market before Apple screwed it up and made it only for large businesses. This is now a complete ecosystem and the best tool for small operations.
Aside from Notion Mail, they should all be rolling out in the next few days. Some of them might even be there now. Notion Mail is expected to be launched fully for everyone in 2025. So, lots of new features to dive into this week!
They're rolling it out gradually to all the users over the next few days. Not everybody has it on day one, but you should have it within a few days. Hope this helps!
Regarding Notion Mail What are the possibilities to use Notion Mail with Notion CRM system? I have seen that Monday can be setup as CRM system with email sending receiving capability of the CRM It would be fantastic to build Notion CRM system (which I have) and incorporate with Notion mail capabilities (which I wish to have). I hope you understand my thinking... 😃 Thx August on all replies on my questions. You rock 😍
In its current stage of pre-release development, it cannot do any of that. That's what I was talking about with contacts in the Notion mail app. Ideally, syncing with databases in your Notion system - that Notion database would be a CRM. I and others have sent this feedback to Notion, encouraging this, and I'm quite confident we'll get it eventually. The question is how soon and how close to the public launch? Only time will tell, but I agree with you - this is essential.
@@augustbradley Thx power to you and other proposing this to Notion...👍
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I’d love to learn more about formulas and coding and how this could also enhance the PPV system. I’m not using automations yet, as I’m still building and integrating the PPV system into my life to a level that I really make use of the pro features. Your videos are a great inspiration and they help me to find and integrate new features! Keep up the good work 🙏
Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback. That's super helpful, and it makes me very happy to hear that it's been of value to you. Keep up the awesome work.
super excited for offline mode though it’ll probably be sometime in the future, i’ve been sticking to notion as much as possible the past three years because of your ppv system. while i have managed to organise my entire life (basically) in notion, the multiple occasions of slow loading of databases, or connection issues really makes it a pain sometimes, to enter or even retrieve data. i’m currently switching between notion and obsidian in terms of creating personal notes, but for the rest of my entires in terms of my life are all done in notion. hopefully in time i can fully let go of other apps as i’ve never really liked having to manage with more than one app or system. (especially since im already paying for notion)
I hear you, and I agree. They didn't provide any specifics, but the Notion CEO did today mention that they are actively developing an offline mode and intend to release details about it early next year. It's not immediate, but it is happening. This is the first time it's been formally stated that it's definitely in development. So, this is huge progress. I'm with you, it's smuch needed.
Regarding forms. Is it possible to create forms on the existing databases? It looks like this is a feature similar to TypeForm to create the surveys and collect data primarily, maybe I am wrong. Airtable has feature of input forms but it is possible to use on any table (table in Airtable is like Excel sheet with rows and columns ) to allow entering data easily through the form both externally and internally. Thx again August on awsome content ❤
They're rolling them out to all users over the next couple of days (Layouts, Forms, and Automations). The COO of Notion said he expects to see them fully rolled out by the end of the day today - but at the very latest - Monday or Tuesday, for everybody. This includes forms, layouts, and automations. Of course, this does not include Notion Mail.
In the current early stage of development, you cannot add more than one email account. However, I'm certain they're going to add the ability to have multiple email accounts. The question is whether they will have it by the time they launch it publicly. I would have to assume so, but I don't know that for sure.
Regarding the automation If you consider to make an automation video where important is to emphasize what is on free plan what is on paid plan. I belive it is a big question for many (me included) to decide whether to use Notion automation capabilities (on paid plan) or use external tool for automation (such as Make or Zappier). Again great video August, thx 😀
Yes, great point - that needs to be clearly defined as the various layout automation uses are presented. Generally, right now, button automations are free, but database automations need to be on a paid plan. As we do any demos, I'll be sure to keep that clear. Good feedback. Thank you!
Good comparison! Notion is becoming more and more expansive. They started with more flexibility and less of a specific point of view, which allowed for a wider range of possible uses. Google and Zoho began with a suite of apps that were all very specific. Now, Notion is filling in with those specific apps. It will be interesting to see where Notion ends up relative to those two models - it seems like Notion is trying to do the best of both at the moment.
It's not available in the current stage of development, but I really think this is inevitable. There's no way it can be developed ultimately without that capability, and really, I think a lot more integration than just that. You should be able to select any of your knowledge management databases or tasks - or anywhere an email might be relevant. I'm very optimistic about this. Unlike the calendar, this is being built from the ground up entirely as a Notion app, so that's usually promising.
Thanks for another brilliant video. I know the features are still in their early stages and - IMHO - therefore slightly disappointing due to some missing key integrations features. Email (as you say) really needs full integration into core Notion. And although they might introduce it later, I rather fail to see the point of it without the integration. The Form feature feels even more of a half-baked release. Forms that do not have the ability to integrate into existing databases (incl. relationships drop-downs etc.) are just not really replacing any 3rd party form builders such as NoteForms that are already out there. It's limited and basic and sadly multiple steps behind existing tools rather than overtaking them and making them obsolete. I know this is all just early stages, but I keep feeling mildly underwhelmed by Notions recent "improvements" which increasingly hit below the mark at the point of release. Notion AI just being one more example.
Fair points on the pros and cons. However, Forms can be applied to existing databases. You do not need to start one from scratch - you can apply Forms to any database you already have in your workspace. I would say forms are a mid-tier level of functionality, but with a very simple, intuitive way of working and effortless integration into your databases. So, it is quite nice, but it doesn't replace the high-end form builders if you have more sophisticated needs.
The email product is interesting, the rest is just new makeup that looks very manual and can be reproduced (even optimized) by a very simple integration
You don't think Forms, Layouts, and Formulas in Automations are significant enhancements? All internal and perfectly integrated. External integrations are never the same, always have significant shortcomings in my experience. Layouts in particular can't be replicated externally. What would you most like to see implemented in Notion?
Ehh, ok. I've got too much to do as is let alone tinkering with layouts. That's a mini-rabbit hole. Email? Naa. On the surface these are nice but the constant complaint w/ power users is speed. The more they put into the software + the larger DBs get, the slower it runs. After I compared coda's formulas w/ notion, I don't bother w/ notion formulas anymore. Thanks for the updates August
Fair enough, they're just options. And we certainly live in a world of abundant options these days. When designing a system, you can set the layout for key databases once, set and forget, and then get back to work. It really doesn't take much time. But you're also right that a lot of people fall down the tinkering rabbit hole - and that's counterproductive as well. Sounds like you've got a good sense of awareness of where that line is for you. Totally respect that. Appreciate the feedback!
@@augustbradley I agree now w/ your thought about setting the layout a little here and there and moving on. I like how one can do that in obsidian & tana so anything similar-ish to that is helpful. I think too much fiddling is where so many ppl have trouble w/ notion, obsidian, etc. A plethora of plugins and they're so customizable. I've been using PPV for almost 4 yrs now and stay away from tinkering w/ it too much
I agree with you on both Layouts, and on Notion Mail needing integrations to become usable in my workflow. We're on the same page here. Good feedback. Thank you!
Notion leadership and product development is certainly further out pushing AI than the general user base. Will be interesting to see if the user base catches up to the vision. Notion AI is certainly not essential at this stage, but it can be helpful.
I think it's a nice, elegant experience. However, it doesn't have any real features that set it apart at the moment. I think that's coming - perhaps a little slower than we would like, but I believe it's coming with much deeper and more thoughtful integration with the Notion core app.
Fair enough, not everything is for everybody. I personally think these are some fantastic expansions, but I totally respect that it doesn't really move the needle for all workflows or all styles of working. What would you find most interesting and exciting for Notion to add?
