I'm really glad to see the comments still not taking to agreeing charlies take just because its Charlie. I really hope he reads the comments because theres so many good points explaining the real issue. No one thought idubbbz was a bigot if they did he would have been cancelled years ago. We all knows he's apologizing for unintentionally fostering a hateful community
Nahh y'all are the reason tho y'all need to make everything us vs them y'all can't laugh at anything that's a you problem I promise you edgy humor ain't make no one racist but y'all are weird and like racism so you make everything about it
@@SavageGreywolf Nah, I will leave yelling racist slurs to idubbbz. Who knows? He might start again if he thinks it will make him popular again. Never liked his edgy humor, but Charlie is correct in this matter, intent matters. If intent doesn't matter, then some slurs are the least of our problem. If intent doesn't matter you're effectively taking part in child slave labor, genocide, death, and suffering.
I really like that Charlie’s fanbase don’t have a hive mind and genuinely disagrees with Charlie when he’s wrong. It keeps him humble and doesn’t push a wrong narrative that most other major fanbases do
Don’t have hive mind? I can’t find anybody else who agrees with him. Sounds like hive mind to me. How people think the actions of others are something you can blame on somebody else is straight up baffling.
@@52BLUE Clearly I mean hive mind in the sense of ppl blindly agreeing with their fav content creator. How often do you see viewers disagreeing with the content creator on their own video
@@gabrielleeeSK I formed this opinion on this situation long before I even listened to his take on it. Blaming idubbbz for what his followers do isn’t far off from parents trying to cancel video games because they’re influencing kids to be violent. Ridiculous.
@@52BLUE for real this whole comment section is a hive mind every comment is something along the lines of “As someone who was in school at the peak of idubbz career he taught me to swear and hurt my feelings, etc.”
As a black girl middle schooler during 2016 idubbbz was one of many reasons for a lot of bullying and normalization of racial slurs. They all watched him. Maybe this was past ur time Charlie.
I hope this isn't him falling off but I felt this day may come quite soon. He's been very unproblematic for a while now and I fear it'll all come out at once
If people are gonna be racist/edgy, they are gonna do despite some idiot on the internet making videos. Sorry you grew up in a racist school. Maybe you should try to take words less personally, especially from people who are obviously so morally below standard.
"i just dont see why its a big deal" says man who was not affected by any part of the situation. the fact that he felt the need to make the first video is really telling, and doubling down after being rightfully criticized really says something.
You absolutely don’t know that and it’s laughable you insinuate that. Any person alive could’ve been affected by Ian’s content. Being called the f-word back then you could attribute that to them hearing it in one of his videos and then saying it to someone else. At any rate, in the space that Ian is in of course he needs to distance himself from his past self because he needs sponsors and the like for what he is producing right now. Do I think that’s the only reason for it? No. I think he’s trying to get rid of the fans he’s stated multiple times not enjoying interacting with while also making amends with anyone he may have turned away. You immediately foamed at the mouth at the first sign of someone being a bigot and didn’t bother to think for a minute about everything as a whole there bud
@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude mean it’s indisputable that black people and gay people were far far more likely to be affected by an influential guy who was “ironically” racist or homophobic. I saw it with my own eyes, a lot, it was pretty tough for some of my black and gay buddies during the time where IDubbz was super influential. Charlie definitely doesn’t understand like somebody who got the N word thrown at them everyday does. It’s just true. And I ain’t foaming at the mouth or anything, but I have respect for the people in my life who were targeted directly because of IDubbz’s influence over shitty people. I just love my people, man.
He literally acknowledges that in the video that he didn’t consider the whole picture when it comes to that. Sounds like he put too much faith in people to not adopt and spread the culture
As a black male I never thought HE was racist, but he normalized hate speech within his community whether it was intentional or not. I respect Charlie and respect his opinion on the matter, but unfortunately he lives in a reality that’s different from most minorities. He will never fully understand how these slurs impact people, and I don’t mean that in a hateful way. Being black I knew at an early age that my life wouldn’t be the same as most white peoples’ lives; thats just the current state we live in as a civilization (especially as an American). EDIT: Someone in the comments pointed out that Ian’s supporters would often say “its just words” in response to people criticizing his use of slurs and I distinctly remember that phrase appearing all the time in Ian’s comments section. The harsh truth is sometime its not just words, they can come from a rooted history of malice and oppression. These words represent the stereotypes that still continue in some ways to this day. They can represent generations of literal slavery, torture, and death not even exaggerating here. I’m not saying all nasty words should be banned or something, but people to need recognize these words come from somewhere. It was funny for Ian to spew them at the time because we knew they were taboo. So maybe we should ask ourselves WHY they became controversial phrases in the first place.
Just to toss in my experience here, I was 13 when I started watching iDubbbz and he was definitely the reason I used slurs in my early teens. By the time I was 16 I thankfully wised up and stamped out that part of me, but a lot of people I was friends with then are still like that now. I'm in my 20s now and seeing iDubbbz apologise makes me believe that those people I was once friends with can move on from that behaviour.
Bruh how do we get them to stop. I have some friends that still act like this and we’re in our 20’s. It’s embarrassing asf. Feels like if I don’t step in soon, in a few years they’re just gonna keep doubling down till they’re firmly far right weirdos
@@plasmanip3998 I think its okay to be edgy if your using it post-ironic context and only with you're friend group. Like I don't think anyone is serious and going to the "far right"
@@scorchykinz so it’s not okay to yell the n word in public but it is okay when it’s just with your friends? Nah dude. Being an asshole in private instead of public is still being an asshole. Like I can definitely understand edgy humor in the context of a public space with only adults and everyone is aware that you’re not serious at all, but most often using prejudicial humor in public is just a subtle way to virtue signal your prejudice. There’s even been studies done on this.
@@plasmanip3998 willy nilly screaming the n word about is just being racist not edgy like there's gotta be context and actually be funny . Post-Ironic edgy humor is okay to have just if you're doing public standup add that context, and if you're private your friends already know you're not being serious
@@scorchykinz I do think some people genuinely don’t know if others are serious and often these type of jokes reinforce their preconceived stereotypes and prejudices. But I think I agree it’s fine to do this type of humor as long as you’re sure everyone knows it doesn’t accurately represent the world. I just think most people aren’t careful enough around that area- people often unknowingly feed their biases.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you here, I dunno if you're really one to say that certain groups weren't so impacted by Idubbz's content that an apology wasn't warranted. For years, the immediate and only response to people being called out for abject racism in the guise of jokes was a quote from one of his videos. He definitely influenced the culture he now hates.
yeah, idk why charlie is deciding to die on this hill. There were people influenced by this content, and its good that idubbzz is apologising for it (better late than never)
Yeah it's such bizzare behavior. Why does he think he can judge what is racist or bigoted or hateful or cruel? Someone who calls racist language "cringe" really does not deserve to have such a loud opinion on this. Charlie literally could have just eaten his salad in peace.
I see so people didn't watch the whole video. Charlie just said that he didn't think it was bad to apologize, he's just saying that content shouldn't weight on him as much as it seems like it had.
It’s not Idubbz’s fault that his content was used in that way, perhaps he should’ve called out those who were actually hateful and using his content to justify said hate but I wouldn’t say the content itself is the issue.
Props to Charlie for continuing to be willing to discuss the responses to his takes on stuff. With this, I think one thing Charlie might be missing is that you don't need to be super young to be impressionable.
not only was I young when I encountered Idubbz's content, I wasnt american. I had no context for the slurs he was using so I took his words at what they were, without knowing the impact they had. His content, regardless of intent introduced to me the normalization of not taking racism seriously so long as it's "just words".
@@bryce9083 dude literally read a paragraph about someone experience about being desensitized to slurs, and how it affects people and said “it’s just a prank bro” go touch grass
Yeah right? But I also assume that these hormonal dumb teenagers who got "high" off of Idubbbz are grown ass people now and probably forgot Idubbbz even existed. Everyone is acting like Ian was the chief propagandist for the KKK. Like seriously, someone should go to /pol/ and ask how many of those guys are there because they watched an Idubbbz vid in 2016. I don't think there are any.
@@charliem4560 yes, the common tactic to try to silence black voices as when they are literally just talking about shared experience. And who said he wasn’t worth being criticized??
As a black girl who was in middle school/high school during that time with idubbbz i can definetly 100% say it negatively impacted my life for a while. I went to a mostly white school so I already had to deal with racism and slurs every now and then but it got so much worst and i lost so many friends, like it wasnt even funny. I cant say that idubbbz is an all around terrible person because I understand he has his own issues and has learned and grown but I 100% can say he made my life a lot more uncomfortable and sometimes even scary. I will say that if Idubbbz didnt ever become popular there probably wouldve been someone else to fill that space who also wouldve made shitty content like that, but idubbbz just so happened to be that d!ckhead at the time 🤷🏾♀️
@@purplewine7362 I did, and the thought of a shit person online making my personal life "scary" is pretty ridiculous. So I asked for more clarification. Thanks for that in depth response.
As a fellow 28 y/o man, thank you for defending us. We don’t deserve being called 30. *I’ll add that this is an obvious joke since people are being weird af*
Guys it’s just a joke lol I don’t care about getting older. Older me makes way more money than younger me, and my place is way nicer than my dirty college housing. Aging has its perks ❤️ But to the younger gen out here, just make sure you enjoy it!
No he didnt create edgy internet culture but he re-inpsired a new era of it and this resulted in many many many people including myself being harassed, scarred and harmed because of the bigoted jokes and slur catchphrases and cruel content. The apology was warranted.
@@sparkles7111 Then dont fucking watch the videos if you feel insulted. He can make what he wants, its up to the audience to decide whether they are going to act retarded and go out into the world and shout slurs.
16:40 This seems to be where most of us are taking issues with your take. There is absolutely a younger crowd that was heavily influenced by his content and was unable to see the satire or nuance. You were right when you said that Idubbbz didn't create edgy content, that he was just molded by it like Bane but he did turn into the posterboy for the genre on RU-vid at the time. Edit for the brain dead replies: I'm saying charlie hit the nail on the head on my timestamp, not that he doesn't get it. That's why he said "I was probably wrong about this.". Also, none of this really matters. No one asked Idubbbz to apologize lol at least it was sincere even if not necessary.
If you let yourself be influenced by ppl on the internet you weren’t raised right and that’s not on the creator to apologize take it up with your parents or whoever you grew up around it’s not idubz fault therefore no apology warranted.
@@pushinpencils258 this. The reason the tranny brigade is so animated over this is because it's their wet dream to be able to attribute 3rd party crimes onto people who did not commit them
he may not have made edgy internet culture but he amplified it. I wanted to be like idubbbz as a young teen and I would say slurs all the time and so did my friends who also watched idubbbz.
yeah idk what makes this different from shane dawson's blackface. neither of them were ideologically racist, but their actions were racist and made their audiences think it was cool to do those things. they hurt people, directly or indirectly, and as charlie isn't part of the hurt group, he doesn't get to decide if the apology is warranted or not.
@@feefeedee9865 yeah. its kinda funny that people are ready to make a fuss about words on the internet but then they themselves proceed to insult others on reddit and twitter for calling their obesity out
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yeah, it’s hypocritical really. The people who are the most sensitive are usually the least kind and attack anyone who they think is doing something ‘wrong’ or they don’t like. A nice person saying a slur as a joke is literally less toxic than them
Kids are like sponges. If their favorite youtuber tells them that its ok to say slurs, & that they’re actually being brave intellectuals by doing so, they will 1000% do so. and they did. so good on ian for recognizing that making a world where people are more likely to call each other slurs is actually a BAD thing. and good on charlie for making an update
He has no reason to apologize. It was a different era. It’s completely baffling that people don’t understand what parenting is. Also, the real reason people are mad at him is because he’s acting like a loser with no self respect. His narcissistic wife being the primary source of that.
@@silvertriforce2574 the reality is the vast majority of kids have unrestricted access to the internet and will for years to come, and that will have big consequences down the line. Parents don't want to parent their children anymore and be aware of what their kids are doing online. That's the reality of the situation now and its not changing anytime soon.
@@Zones33 not true. The 60s was a different era, but it would be BOLD to say that racists back then shouldn’t apologize for their actions. It’s not about the times-it’s about acknowledging what happened then and how we can improve. It’s growth.
I honestly really feel like saying slurs has always been a bad thing. Every time charlie mentioned the slurs he said they were “loosey goosey slurs” or “edgy shock slurs”. Just because it was an earlier time of the internet doesn’t mean people didn’t understand that saying that word wasn’t alright, it still had all the history then as it does now and wether it came from hate or not wasn’t really the point, slurs aren’t “loosey goosey” they never have been.
I think what matters is the intent behind the word, or the way you say it to someone, for example, jew is not a slur, but someone can use it as such to offend someone, same goes for gay. The difference here is that people decide how they take/interpret the word, if you want it to offend you, then it will offend you, if you consider that the person saying it with ill intent is just an asshole, then it won't bother you in the slightest.
@@The-Doctor6969 wow crazy how this doesn't matter in the slightest and its obvious youre assuming he's white because he disagrees with you, the racism is astonishing. anyway, as an asian, chink was thrown my way ALOT, and it was very easy to tell when it was said with the intent to offend or not. surprisingly, the intent behind the word very much affected my reception of it! what 1mclv is saying is exactly correct, and you don't need to have experienced it to know, this is common sense that someone trying to offend will offend, and someone not trying to offend won't
If you want to unconditionally eat the slop of societal conditioning that is rooted in nothing but moral grandstanding, then sure slurs are always bad and context should be ignored. Otherwise context matters
I first found Ian’s content when I was 10 years old. My friends and I would binge watch his videos and found ourselves saying slurs very comfortably. Watching his videos radicalized me and turned me into an awful person. I was very racist and edgy and thought gore was funny. I terrorized several people I used to be friends with and found justification in it from Ian’s content. Thankfully after I turned 15 I started to realize the harm I caused and changed, but I think you missed the point of how detrimental his content was to those of us who were much younger in 2016; especially those who were victims of Ian’s content.
Dude it sounds like you were turning into a 4channer without 4chan I think you would've crossed someone like leafy at that age and started adopting his mannerisms and shit as well if idubbz wasn't first
"Victims of Ian's content" bruh, that is definitely on you as a kid. Sure you were influenced by Ian to say slurs. But the attacks and taking it to the next level was definitely on you not Ian.
@@billythe503kid4 “that’s definitely on you as a kid” is a WILD ass sentence my guy, do you realize what you just wrote? they were heavily influenced by ian’s content, i understand where you’re coming from but we need to acknowledge the fact that he DID have some sort of influence on a fuck ton of KIDS even if his content wasn’t made for kids, let’s not act as if he had NO responsibility at all now come on
When I came out as bi in 9th grade a group of edgy kids who were huge Idubbz fans thought it would be funny to create a group chat dedicated to making fun of me. They dedicated a whole week to creating a fake persona of a trans girl who reached out to me on Snapchat looking for advice on how to come out properly. I didn’t know it was fake so I tried to give my best advice and be as kind and respectful as I could, even when they made the fake trans person say really weird edgy stuff. They ended up screen-shotting the conversation and sharing with my toxic friend group at the time, and they all called me slurs for the rest of the month and would tell me to stop being “triggered” when I would yell at them to stop. I’m glad Idubbz has apologized for his actions, because his channel absolutely contributed to the culture of harassment back then, and it’s good to see he’s turned it around
I was a preteen in 2016, almost in my 20's now, and I can absolutely attest to the fact that a lot of my peers absolutely took his content as to mean slurs are ok. It was to an actual extreme amount, as well. Unfortunately satire falls flat on children's ears quite often. They saw funny man saying slurs and they followed suit Edit: not even an hour later and people are arguing under this on if slurs are ok lmfao no way
Same situation, I was in middle school at that time and I had friends who would unironically repeat degenerate shit they would hear filthy frank and other creators like him say. I had to slowly explain to them what satire was and how Frank/others were using it. Many arguments at the lunch table and one requested lesson in satire by our English teacher later and they finally understood 😅
He wasn’t the ONLY creator with that level of edgy humor he was by far one of the biggest and most influential. He absolutely created a culture of shock value through slurs and dark humor. I grew up though high school during his time and I know groups of white kids who were fans of his and molded their idea of humor and what was okay. This meant walking through the halls and having white kids shout slurs as a “joke”. Downplaying his role in creating that culture is the bad take. I’m glad he is growing and learning from the past.
@@Gamfluentmy gf said she hated being in school 2016-2018 precisely because of the type of thing this commenter is saying. You really just can’t understand how normalizing casual racism/bigotry and casual racism/bigotry justifications caused a lot of racism & bigotry? Like really?
hey guys my local bully in middle school stole my lunch money and yelled “WOOOOOOO YEAH BABY!!!” so i think charlie needs to be cancelled and he needs to apologize for influencing toxic behavior in younger generations
@@plasmanip3998 You people are clowns. Do you really believe he was that influential? 2016-2018 was the easiest time in history for kids. Everything you say he influenced was 1000x greater before iDubbbz was even a thing. This age of acting like a victim over everything is pathetic, you all have it easier than any of us, even me who finished school in 2005, another peaceful era. Your generation uses words like racist, bigot and nazi so often that you have forgotten what those things truly are.
@@Hans-yo2cq Woo Yeah Baby isn’t going around and harassing people of color by saying racial slurs around them to bait them into getting upset about it Charlie’s content is anything but hurtful so it’s weird you’re equating that to literal racism
what charlie isn't getting is effect matters over intention. idubbbz was apologizing for the effect normalizing slurs and bigoted views had on his primarily young audience at the time. idubbbz may not be racist/homophobic/transphobic but some of the things he said definitely rubbed off on an impressionable fan base. his apology is a good thing. i'm glad he was able to see the errors of his ways, own up to them, and express his newfound empathy for others
@@Ross-pw6klI wouldn’t say that. I just think it’s important that people voice their opinions and perspectives. I prefer not to invalidate them. A good portion of the video is specifically about the importance of voicing your opinion regardless of backlash.
I hope Charlie can read through these comments and gain some perspective on the situation because his take is, and I mean this respectively, incredibly naive.
@Isaac Belliveau Dude, take a look at all the other comments, and you’ll see what I mean. Charlie’s missed the mark with these videos because he’s speaking from a uninformed and short sighted perspective. Among other things he’s misunderstanding, Charlie’s underestimating how negatively influential and toxic iDubzzz content was during that time, regardless of intention.
@Isaac Belliveau Intention and impact are 2 distinct things. Ian may have never *intended* for his content to influence young children to be racist thinking they were being edgy and funny, or promote a toxic environment of bigoted and generally mean-spirited people that harass strangers online but that’s what his fan base is/did. That’s partially what he feels responsible and guilty for. Of course, he didn’t command any of these people to do any of these things, but he still majorly benefited from it; that’s why he even has the popularity/relevance/money he has today. Sure, parents have a responsibility, but that’s another conversation. Plus, we’re not strictly talking about 10 year olds here, also high schoolers and young adults that have more agency and self responsibility. Whatever the case, Ian knows he owes a lot of his fame and wealth to the problematic content that he created, that’s why he feels shame and guilt, and that’s largely what Charlie fails to understand.
It's kind of strange to me that iDubbbz himself has all but said, "my videos were very hurtful and damaging," and yet people who are not iDubbbz still attempt to fight for him. You're slaying monsters and mastering dungeons for a guy who already surrendered.
This is exactly the same thing that happens on Twitter with parasocial and terminally online folk deciding when their fave should apologize or not and trying to dictate that the content creator remain the absolute same in order to validate their own views so they feel less pathetic. Idubbbz is a grown man who, from what I'm seeing, is taking accountability without necessarily being forced to by someone else's twitlonger allegation or the usual trappings of "being cancelled", which, honestly, good for him. If he wants to improve himself then people should give him that space to change instead of taking his apology as a personal slight to them and white knighting for him.
We're not fighting for "Him" we're fighting the idea videos RU-vidrs make can harm you and video games make you violent. Stop being a satanic panic helicopter parent
This is a running theme with alt-right people. Even after trump lost the election in 2016, his followers kept sending him more money (which he then spent for personal use lmao)
No one’s defending his old videos. Everyone’s acknowledging that he’s a Cuck, his new videos are also boring and no one gives a fuck about them. I don’t give a fuck about videos I watched when I was 16 but his channel now is just in life support
I can honestly say that iDubbbz’s comedic style was indoctrinating. When I was a kid I thought it was ok to casually call my friends the n word. We all watched Ian and FilthyFrank so we thought it was fine. Being a grown up now, I feel so weird about it and I do think younger kids are heavily influenced by what they watch. They’re interests, sense of humor, and moral compass can all be impacted by the recommendations of an algorithm, or what they see is popular online. Keep in mind I think you are more susceptible to being influenced by content the younger you are and based on how much time you spend on youtube. I spent hours each day watching youtube videos.
@@singami465 lol all these morons just follow whatever their youtubers say at the current moment. they're all morons. no saying "slurs" isn't bad if you're not actually being racist, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me etc... the only reason it was ever considered "bad" was because of the adpocalypse so everyone for financial reasons had to stop doing that shit and now suddenly everyone's acting like they stopped because it was "bad".
I gotta admit, as someone who was aware of Idubbz's content cops back in the day and the problematic shit he did/said hearing him apologise for what he did was reassuring that people can acknowledge their pasts and acknowledge the negativity they brought into the world. By apologising, he's not only acknowledging he fucked up, and made money by fucking up and fucking people over, he's saying to those who hero worshipped him 'Hey, actually I was absolute dog shit for that' And that is MASSIVE. Honestly, Charlie. And not making this into some weird parasocial thing, but your take kinda surprised me. Like, you are 100% entitled to have that opinion, and your platform is yours to use, but it did surprise me.
@@amonteedwards3044 W take, how are words violence? Even slurs can not, by definition, even incite violence. If you go believe everything has some deeper meaning and is connected somehow to true racism and bigotry, you will see it everywhere.
@@amonteedwards3044 Maybe some of the words he said might've been problematic? But the people he went after and the content itself wasn't really problematic. The same people saying Charlie's take is an L take are also the same type of people who HATE Ricegum, Leafy, and Keemstar. His old content wasn't that bad if you the casual racism, which, once again, wasn't even out of a place from hate. idubbz disavowing every person who thought the content was funny and just the overall self flagellation was cringe.
Hey, man. Been watching you a long time. I asked you to play the "Winnie the Pooh baseball game" back in like 2013. Saw you uploaded a video about it just a few days later and I was ecstatic. Maybe you were planning on playing it anyway or maybe not. Either way it really made my day back then and I still remember that. Normally just lurk because I agree with the overwhelming majority of your takes on situations, but this one is a pretty big miss for you. I think you're missing the point on what a lot of people took issue with. You can think that the videos clearly had more to say and didn't necessarily need such a long drawn out apology. I disagree with this too and it's not an age thing. In my early 30s myself so I'm probably one of your older viewers. So I was also in my 20s during idubbbz's peak popularity and could recognize what wasn't okay to say. But I also recognize that damage they caused to teenagers and people much more impressionable. As you've seen there's a lot of people coming forward with stories of harassment fueled by racism and hate by people who were watching his content back in the day. This weird stance you're taking that idubbbz just shouldn't really feel bad about it is honestly bizarre and a bit disappointing coming from you. If he feels bad enough to apologize for content that clearly had a negative impact on a lot of people, even if those people may not have included you and me, two regular white men, we should embrace that and encourage more self reflection like that. You normally strike me as an empathetic person, Charlie. This was a very tone deaf take on the situation though. I hope all the backlash at least made you reconsider some things. Take care.
From someone who was 13-15 in that time period his attitude was pervasive (although he was by no means the worst offender). And even though I grew out of it, people who had Ian’s perspective were not helpful in my pursuit on becoming a better version of myself. I also want to mention that he did do good. His series on Leafy, the Pauls, Ricegum and others drove many kids away from those people who were definitely a negative influence.
Ok as 29 year old, and not American so idubbbz reach was pretty much 0 in my country. Was idubbbz and not only him, but the whole 2016 cringe style of comedy really that influenciatial on the younger gens? like are 12- to 15 year old way more prone to swear/slur, being bigoted, cause of that cringe type of comedy of the 2010 decade? I, Honsestly see it like Charlie, i would say more then an unwarranted apology i see it as not really needed, cause i don't really see the harm he has done, he was cringe he had beef with some people but those people were generally considered obnoxious and toxic by the mayority of the internet at the times.
@@franxx941 Yes, you don't understand the influence that RU-vid has on kids. You're 29, way out of the age range to personally see the impact it has on kids. Children are being handed unfiltered internet access at the age of 7. When a 10 year old kid finds a RU-vidr they like, such as iDubbz, they'll watch that RU-vidr a lot and look up to them. It's like kids mimicking what they see on cartoons or in movies.
@@franxx941 well, 'LISTEN' to the Americans all over this comment section talking about how idubbz content did influence that part of time. And how the other sides comments are nothing more than trying to break idubbz growth as a person is just "w0kEiSm" and not him growing up and in his own words "learning empathy"
@@Odeon1970 Im still going to have to agree with charlie on this one. Its true that kids are impressionable and might internalize edgy humor as matter of fact, i dont disagree with that, but blaming that on the creator is just a cop out in my opinion. Like you said kids are getting unfiltered access to the internet, and that is the issue that should have been tackled.
This is not an apology video wtf 😂😂 this video was made for the dumb fucks who can't comprehend what he said in the first video and explained himself further
It's ironic that Charlie is upset people are misconstruing his previous video, and then Charlie goes on to misconstrue the points made against his video.
It’s not that his content created those types of kids. It’s that it normalized harmful ideas and terms. From my perspective, it seems like the apology was more about CONTRIBUTING to the problem than causing it, and he’s owning up to his own role in perpetuating that behavior and introducing it to a very impressionable audience.
absolutely, and there is nothing wrong with ian addressing it and apologizing for it. i don’t like how charlie went about things in this video, he thought ian’s apology wasn’t necessary which could be true, however it’s ian’s channel and his choice
Yeah normalized ideas are exactly how things lose their power, not as an attack but general use which bring down tension when appropriate. This idea that we can have content without someone getting offended is absurd. Some people are offended men exist, some people are offended that people are thin instead of fat. Some people are upset people are doing exercise and THAT is what is being normalized, being a victim. Its not said directly to you but you get offended because having thick skin isn't a thing anymore... atleast for the people online.
He wasn't really that big and he never said anything that wasn't already the norm on B. Sad part is either idubbz has a ego so big that he believes that he created racism or has so much guilt that he believes the retards that say he did.
I really think he should apologize. you just can’t accept it because you literally are not a minority that has the slurs he said used against him. How do you not see how much he influenced the kids around him??
he’s also incredibly privileged and will never understand the nuance of these things unless he chooses to look into it. then again, this is someone who is friends with people like Kaya, so he might be battling with his own insecurities
Because it really didn't. I see a lot of personal anecdotes about it being some detriment in schools, but as a person who was one of like 8 total black people at my middle school during idubbbz peak, that has never been a problem.
@@acommenter3939 as a person in a similar position as you, the apology was meant for the people who were actually hurt. Just because people like me and you were fortunate enough to not have to experience that, doesn't invalidate the experiences of others who were affected by idubbbz's content.
I’m black and I didn’t care about the content. Most of my friends are black and they didn’t care either. Most of the time we found it funny. That doesn’t matter to you, though. Charlie could be black as coal and giving the same take and you’d still just call him an Uncle Tom and say his opinion isn’t valid. What you *actually*care about is whether he’s willing to tout the party line and say what you want him to say. His race doesn’t matter to you lmao
It's rare I disagree with Charlie's takes on situations, he's a smart and empathetic guy, but this is one such time. I think he just lacks the personal perspective to understand how big of a problem the "edgey" culture of the time was. It wasn't just edgey haha cringe humor, it was fostering and normalizing racism as well as hate towards queer people, regardless of if he himself was racist. Being a voice and role model for that sort of behavior contributes to the normalization of it in a big way. Ian obviously wasn't the only contributor to that sort of thing back then but as big as he was it'd be silly to think the reach he had in terms of promoting and normalizing the use of hateful slurs wasn't significant. It's easy as someone unaffected by those words to just see it as "edgey humor" or "shock value" but not everyone has that luxury and I think that's what he's really missing here personally.
"not everyone has that luxury" Sounds like emotional baggage that others are not obligated to abide by. I don't protest comedians when they make jokes about being cheated on, even though it's an extremely sensitive issue for me that I have cried for hours over, because I know that even if I find their joke to be the most offensive, distasteful, unfunny thing ever said, I still know that it was said with the intent to make people laugh, rather than to make *me* feel lesser.
@@wontonschannel a situation that happens to be a personal trigger for you being mentioned by a comedian is not very comparable to fostering an environment that encourages and makes light of using words that are meant to dehumanize people based on who they are.
@@wontonschannelthe difference is being cheated on is an experience and not a aspect of your life that changes how people see and interact with you daily, people can always be cheated on and experience the struggles that come with it but you personally will never be able to experience the ways being black affects your life and the reactions of others around you, while using slurs like that were light hearted jokes Charlie failed to take into consideration that people mimic what their idols say especially younger people like teens who were Idubbz demographic, while in your head you may know your not racist you will never know what the black person your joking around with and saying the slur has gone through and how it will affect each individual personally, I feel like similar can go for other slurs he used about disabilities or sexuality
Tell me right now who were GNAA zoomer. You dumb zoomers think that Ian was this super influential person who suddenly made millions of kids racist don't even remember when actual peak edgy culture started.
I really think you're drastically underestimating how large of an impact he had on people that were young during 2016. It would no doubt have a lasting effect on my mental health if I was in his position.
@@Areaeees That’s just it, though. As someone who was in middle school in 2016, I saw firsthand that his influence was not solely on the internet. My own friends at the time used his content as justification to throw around the F and N slurs on a regular basis. If they were just words on the internet, that’s a different story, but he actively desensitized folks my age to saying such things at a highly impressionable point in their lives
@Sammy Sosa just because they're immature kids that exist doesn't make it okay for u to influence those impressionable kids and make them think it's normal to spew out slurs on a daily basis
@@stariiwes8358 it is okay when they are just kids doing dumb shit, same reason all you people support the laws that keep kids out of jail for crimes and not charged as adults is the same reason them saying dumb shit doesn't affect the real world so it doesn't matter.
I was say as a black girl growing up at that time even shane Dawson's videos effected us. So many white kids would pretend to be ghetto when mocking me or calling me anything with ESHA on the end because all black girl names sounds the same? You guys act like racism was just a joke to all of us.
@@Liam-zo4jm he was not affected by racism because he is a straight white male, aka the least marginalised group of people unlike other groups of people
What I thought was weird about your first video was the way u were being too sympathetic and giving Idubbbz the benefit of the doubt regarding the slurs as shock humour and the way you brushed it off that it was a part of the era of RU-vid. If a white person says the n-word in 1920 and 2013, no matter the time period they said it in, it's still a fucked thing to say and feeds into the hate which breeds racism. Acting like a full-grown man wasn't aware of the severity of the word and its impact in his mid-20s is crazy to think, along with thinking YT was slur central and acting like everyone from Smosh to Ihascupquake was throwing the slurs around willy-nily . As a person who also believes Ian wasn't a racist and didn't use the phrases he'd use in videos in his daily life, he still chose to use those negative slurs to grow his channel and act as a morality police which impacted his impressionable fans who later went on to be full-on racists.
Being apart of edgy internet culture where it causes you to also be edgy is like saying old people are a product of their time, racism was normal back then. Excusing that stuff is harmful, not as harmful as profiting off of hate but still harmful.
"Racism was normal back then" - lmao, back then people actually fought racism and wanted to destigmatize slurs so they can stop being used as divisive language. But that didn't fit the narrative of racial activists, so we swung all the way around to genuine apartheid of "which things are for which race".
@@singami465 “back then people actually fought racism” no, they fought to keep racism in America and the oppressed minorities fought to end racism and people to this day are fighting social inequality. You have such a simpletons view because you don’t seem to understand what the fuck is being talked about.
I think Charlie underestimates Ian’s impact and doesn’t realize that the apology isn’t for people like Charlie. It’s for the marginalized groups that were ACTUALLY affected by Idubbbz actions
Screaming slurs isn’t shock humor it’s just inherently racist. Charlie didn’t say slurs etc because he knew it was wrong. Everyone still knew it was wrong.
@@Bradley700 What exactly did Idubbbz do that effected these groups... Do you really think him just saying the n-word and nothing else sparked a community of racists...
@@pagatryx5451 he said multiple racist, homophobic, and transphobic slurs. Cultivating and feeding excuses to racists and homophobes is definitely not alright and will always be wrong. He not apologizing to white people. He apologizing to the marginalized groups he insulted. If you were a black American and fell victim to the army of racists and weirdos you probably wouldn’t be writing that ignorant ass comment.
@@pagatryx5451 and I’m not saying he himself is or was a racist at heart. You can not be an idiot and still do idiot things. It’s not right what he did and it’s wierd to act like it is. It wasn’t okay to say slurs back then and it still isn’t so he’s apologizing
@@pagatryx5451 Its not the fact that they are racist, to which they probably dont HATE black people, its the fact that they come off as racist, and taught an era of teens to say a word you should never have in your vocabulary
I think he's just showing that he's smarter than the majority of his viewers. Again, his point was that the people who were content copped did deserve it and that should not be apologized for. Not that the racism wasn't bad. It sucks most of his viewers don't have the iq to separate 2 points from one another.
I don't watch much of Charlie's content. But from what I can see Charlie has a personality that doesn't allow self reflection. He believes no matter what the issue is, he's always the one with the most correct viewpoint. I doubt he's going to read these comments and have an epiphany telling him he is not the person Ian's video was meant for. He's opened his mouth on the subject and we all know he's not going to shut it. He took this apology personal. Like it is strictly for him and that couldn't be further from the truth.
@@Skrunk. the point is that the apology was never addressed to Charlie so of course he thinks its stupid. If someone didnt do anything wrong TO YOU and aplogized to someone else and you jumped in like "you shouldnt apologize for nothing thats so stupid", that would be quite stupid. And charlie did that.
You clearly haven't watched the content cops recently if you don't think some of them were cruel. He went way beyond just calling people out for their bs, he would insult them constantly calling them retarded or making fun of their appearance etc. It was a lot worse than you seem to realize.
@@hittitheza No it wasn't. Old yt was not everyone going around posting videos of them making fun of other people and using slurs and other words that would get you banned today. It was a specific group of people on older yt. People like Leafy, Keemstar, and Idubbbz himself. He was seen as the "good guy" for targeting bad people but in reality his actions were not much better and it's good to see him owning up to it and admitting to his mistakes.
@@bestieswithtesties2008/07 was pretty common to see a lot of that on youtube. Took a while for older generation users to grow out of that, bled over into the generations who just started using the internet.
I won’t lie, I’m only 19 but when I was younger and watching idubbbz I kind of did think it was ok to use slurs because at the time I thought the shock was funny and the people I hung out with in middle school thought the same but growing up I feel I’ve changed as a person and stopped using all the awful things I used to say in a sad attempt to be funny thank god I reflected on myself in freshman year and actually became a better person
i’m in exactly the same spot as you and i think that’s point of the whole slurs argument. he didn’t invent them or expose the entire world to them, but he did invite lots of young people (including me) to believe that slurs are totally fine because i can say whatever i want and it’s your problem if it hurts you
Pretty much the same here. Ive said some whack things and now that I'm 20, I look back on it and physically cringe. same when I hear it. Its just so lame. Cant believe I was like that lol. Thats what we're here for though. To make mistakes, learn from them, and grow.
@@zachyd120 haha, kind of the same here. Though, I think it was idubbz that helped strengthen my position against it and I personally rarely used slurs, which I felt strengthened it more when I did feel the need to use it. It really does set a precedent for your character, and you don't simply want to normalize things that may be hurtful to the ones you love- especially if it has nothing you really have control over. Can't change the history of words, and I especially wouldn''t trust a 13 y/o to make that decision to normalize them :/
I think he best explains it in his Anthony Padilla interview where he had several fan interactions with people who were bigoted, assholes, or just what he considered shitty people, and realized thats what his kind of content was attracting.
I think that’s it, along with his fans calling him a duck, it made him realize that he created a weird atmosphere that not only attracted by cultivated that kind of behavior
Ding! Ding! Ding! And to think other people are denying the impact because we're "generalizing it" or it's not something they experienced? They just want to be ignorant. I really truly wish these types of people would pick up a book or just shut up.
@@keychains5806 Don't you want to be ignorant? By acting like, in a fanbase of millions, there will never be people who are socially inept and will try and be funny and fail? It's not like the most socially inept people who idolize internet celebrities aren't far more likely to go to meet and greets... Don't you also want to be ignorant by acting like his old content is problematic when his most recent content, and people who he is currently making content with, are saying far worse stuff, far more regularly? Which sounds worse? A heavily autistic fan saying the n-word because he's trying to be funny to someone he idolizes, or laughing at someone's mother dying? Should we also get rid of violent videogames because, out of hundreds of millions of people, there are a handful of people with psychological issues that leads to videogames having a negative influence on them? Obviously it's just "denying the impact" of violent videogames to say that the vast majority of people aren't influenced by them. I can keep going if you want. But I'll let you try and answer them first. But, to lay out my opinion quite clearly: No, he didn't suddenly have an epiphany that led to a change of content. RU-vid stopped monetizing it, so he stopped doing it. This 'apology' is only coming out now to draw away attention from his more recent controversies that paint him in a much worse light. Most notably lying about legal threats and manipulating events to make Froggy look worse and him look better.
I was in middle school when this content was popular, and growing up as a disabled person during that time I can safely say it was more than just "edgy humor" :/
I was already an adult when his content was popular and let me tell you, "edgy RU-vid" wasn't and never was the source of hate. That's just what kids at that age do.
I am autistic. 2016 internet made half my classmates believe it was okay to throw around the word autistic as a substitute for "retarded". But guess, what? My classmates are all adults now, they grew up, they don't do it anymore. Like everyone here is acting like Ian was the chief spokesman for KKK who groomed many a young person into racism but I have not seen a single case where that actually happened. And my classmates LOVED Idubbbz back in the day too. Was his content dumb? Absolutely. But he should have just deleted it, called it cringe and moved on. Not make this grand apology where he pulls up the ladder behind himself. That's what I dislike about it. This and the tantrum he had a few years ago when people called him a simp makes me question just how insecure is this man. Most likely answer is "very". This guy insulted people for a living and now he can't handle the internet making fun of him once.
there are many people here contradicting your point about Ian not grooming people into being bigoted. like very many. and I can also personally confirm that his content influenced people around me. your one anecdote doesn't invalidate the many others who have had different experiences
@@motherearth7303 Grooming is not young people watching your videos and emulating you without understanding it. Grooming is specifically reaching out to influencable people and making them act or do what you want and actively making them think it's right. A child who watches a video they weren't supposed and had it impact their development isn't groomed. They're neglected by their parental guardians who were supposed to be giving them guidance in the first place.
Well it doesn’t seem like it was that impactful, In my experience and hundreds that I’ve read and listened to, the racism and sexism was incredibly damaging. It’s not for you to say that he didn’t need to apologize
In any event, if someone feels guilty for something, the best thing they can do for themselves is apologize and move on. It’s not just about the people he and his audience hurt, it’s about himself and his own inner healing and growth. I’m happy for him.
I think the main critique I’m hearing is that iDubbz was apologizing to people he hurt by using those slurs. Where your original video can read like he shouldn’t have apologized or felt bad, despite hurting people
Charlie no one is talking about the attack but the fact that a lot of "edgy" content was deeply rooted into racism and attacking minor members but you failed to call it out
I never even watched idubbbz's content, but if he felt strongly enough about his past content and his effects on his audience and wants to change, then good for him. Whatever his exact reasons are for apologizing, it's none of anyone's business to decide if he was genuine or if he ”should've” done it or not; he already did it, the video is out, and you're not going to go back in time and change that with a tweet or a video or whatever. This has gotten to weird parasocial levels, fighting for a grown man's honor when he's not your friend on that or any level.
It puts him in a bad light not because he's changing his content up, but that he's basically admitting that he was intending to cause harm. Making racy content is totally fine, just look at South Park's creators they are uncancellable, but that's because even the creators know they do it out of satire. Idubbz is just caving right now to his younger audience because too many of them are taking his jokes seriously
@@jansonshrock2859 the difference is that South Park is targeted towards adults and has a mostly adult audience. When kids DO watch South Park, it leads to them doing and saying things that they shouldn’t. The same thing happens with RU-vid content, which is actually way easier for kids to access. Parents know what South Park is and that they shouldn’t let their kids watch it. They’ve never heard of idubbbz and don’t know what kind of content he was making
He hasn’t lived with constant guilt, he has slowly realized that he owes an apology. He included edginess within whatever points he made in his vids, and it seriously affected kids. I really don’t understand what’s so fallible about the idea that idubbbz gave an apology he owed, and that we should be grateful for it.
@@Justakidthatrantsisapimp white boys still watched his videos and harassed black girls with slurs as a result of his videos. It didn’t matter what he personally believed.
@@mishaf19 and they wouldn't without idubbz?? They would just get it from andrew tate... Or the many others. The difference is idubbz made a good point and was funny
Apologized for what? This is simply a situation where Charlie should have just shut his mouth. This apology wasn't meant for him, it wasn't about him. It was about the people the slurs hurt. This idea that it was all just a joke, is about as stupid as it's just a prank, bro. It's the EXACT same principle. Charlie saying someone doesn't have to apologize for bigoted and racist language isn't Charlie's place to speak on. He isn't effected by those slurs and bigoted language. Charlie knows Ian they have each other's info, why not talk to Ian like an actual PERSON, instead of jumping on the internet talking about something that really has nothing to do with himself, then putting his foot in his own mouth, when he should have just STFU from jump. This is one topic that actually makes me lose some respect for Charlie. He obviously feels his opinion is so great that he should come out with some stupid AF takes and then pretend no it's us who don't understand. This is the dude who hates prank bro's, but is literally using their tag line. It was just a joke, BRO. Charlie kind of makes himself look extremely uneducated in anything outside his own whiteness.
@@nerdjournalt’s just jokes when Ian said things he didn’t mean and it was cringe. Not evil and racist. You don’t get to pick and choose what jokes are and aren’t ok.
As someone whos not only black but also a woman I've gotta say you're still wrong. When idubbz was still popular some of the kids in my class used to watch him and I'd often catch a few white kids saying stuff like "How many black people work in your backyard?" His content did indeed foster a bit of rascism even if he thought it was just a joke at a time.
I keep trying to promote a woc creator's vid where she says just this and had cishet men show her vids to "explain" to her why it was "cool". They kept being deleted. Y'all's comments need to stand out among these in neon, bold, and italics because you're who he needs to hear.
But his videos never encouraged this, you're making shit up, how could you ever know he influenced them this way? It was edgy culture as a whole not Idubbbz.
@@snerttt why would I lie about something like this? The fact is idubbz old content was edgy, distasteful and viewed by tons of kids. Those kids found him, his content and his humor cool so of course they started following in his footsteps. You can try to defend his old content all you want but the statement still stands, he did negatively influence a lot of kids
@@Littledumbdumbclown I'm saying you haven't seen the content, the influence you're talking about can't have been from Ian. You've made a bold assumption with little or no knowledge on the content your talking about. Idubbbz explicitly encouraged treating black people like people.
@@snerttt except I have seen his older content and in multiple videos on multiple occasions he did indeed use slurs and stereotypes in his skits. Now stop dick riding and find something better to do with your time
Honestly these videos about idubbz that you made saddens me. At the end of the day, the negative impact of his videos didn’t effect you. So the idea that you felt the need to comment on it and basically say that his apology was unnecessary is just wrong. Reducing blatant racism to “cringe” is disgusting. I truly would like to believe that you just made these videos too hastily. While I disagree with some of your takes, I genuinely respect and agree with most of your commentary. However, if you genuinely believe that spreading the idea that “using slurs is okay” and that the effected party is simply just holding those slurs to too high of a regard is just “c r i n g e,” then that leaves a horrible taste in my mouth about you. At the end of the day idubbz hurt a lot of people, whether you believe his intentions were good or not. Him taking the time to finally apologize for it and own up to his mistakes is a good thing, and you shouldn’t have felt the need to reduce it.
@SciFyerGamingthat’s exactly the point bruh. He says slurs are “cringe” “not good” and “edgy”. He never says what they were most definitely used for in this context which was very blatantly spreading racism & bigotry & apathy
you dont have to be a bad person to cause issues to worsen or to hurt people with your words and actions. intent means nothing when real people get hurt, and ian clearly recognizes that and sees his role in it. more people should have that perspective. he should NOT feel bad about it forever or punish himself, hes attoned i believe and he is demonstrably not a bad person so he deserves to move on. but it is also very important to see the impact he had w his ignorance and carelessness and edginess u know? either way i very much appreciate you talking about this deeper and for listening to people on the actually real issues brought up lol not the bullshit people got mad about yhat you also mentioned lol youre a good dude
The first sentence was a very poignant take on the situation, great comment and whole heartedly agree here. I was one of the consumers of Ian's content, I used to say the slurs so much and have hurt people in the past. Sure I may be a good person but boy was I harmful and ignorant with my rhetoric. Cowering behind the justification of "satire" and memes in order to say the n-word is full frontal ignorance of the heaviness and weight of the history behind the word and its associated history as well. And a lot of viewers were (and some still are) ignorant to this idea
i kind of agree with you but i dont think anyone should feel the need to reflect on the impact of past actions, especially if you are a changed person. whats happened has happened and you cant change that, so you should focus on a better future rather than a regrettable past. and at the end of the day i dont think ian created bad people, but rather attracted them through his content and no one can control that.
Oh go away... If some people like edgy humour and find really edgy satire funny and it helps them deal with the bad shit going on in their lives, then what right do you have to deny them of that because YOU PERSONALLY are offended by it? Just don't watch it and stop moaning, the world doesn't revolve around you.
Intent very much does mean something, there is a point where you can't continue to give way to lunatics who don't have thick skin. If its not said directly at you and the intent isn't there it shouldn't hurt you. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" has turned into "Words are extremely harmful and I shouldn't be allowed to ever feel offended". FYI peoples reactions are exactly what give the words power its how the world perceives them and right now they have an absurd amount of power to affect someone even when they aren't said directly to them. That is just a bit ridiculous. People are getting upset over exercise and fit models now, you have a draw a line.
Idk this was clearly not an apology put out to reduce backlash or protect his YT brand. He could have gone without an apology and had no backlash, that's what was expected. He apologized because he felt ashamed of his old content, simple as that. This is him vocalizing what has been an internal struggle that's been affecting him for years.
I think it was from the torrent of abuse regarding the whole froggy fresh situation. I've seen people on twitter keep at it for being hypocritical about leaving up videos and collecting adrev while criticising people who make/made similar content. I think this was Ians way of addressing it to try and throw cold water on the situation. I think addressing it is good, but I think what Charlie got it right in the the first video about changing your content over time being not only a smart way to go about it, seems like the most ideal. Idk, I dont think Charlie had an absolutely hot take on this at all and think all his points are super valid
This definitely hurt his ego, it wasn't even like all the comments were in disagreement. He finally got a lil constructive criticism on a vid and felt he had to make a entire video about it😂, he mind as well be saying "yes you guys hurt my feelings"
Taking accountability and acknowledging his doing was mature but it is not common at all. He could've ignored it and move on bcs the internet has the memory of a goldfish. If it's not brought up, you won't suffer the consequences. Which is why I respect Ian's decision even more. He could've gotten away with it but he did the humane thing. Personally I don't think I would've done that, I don't have the balls lol
@@insinitive6076 runs a bit deeper than that mate, it always does. Don’t forget that he’s a person (an adult) who experiences life and has thoughts and regrets just like you. Think a bit more before you trivialise someone’s life to make a point online, stop pretending like you know people and their intentions and you’ll see yourself becoming a better person as you age. Not trying to be an asshole, just trying to help your perceptive on people and life.
@@SomeRandomAustralian I would probably take what you're saying more seriously if your name wasn't "Biggy Beans"😂. Point is it definitely affected him in some way, this was something he could've easily left in the past but ego always gets the better of us🤷♂️
This really shows that this Charlie guy (and probably Twitch in general) is a bit of a hive mind. The comments here don't allow for a lot of nuance or acknowledging that a single youtuber shouldn't be blamed for the entirety of a generation's actions. Also, after watching most of idubbbz old videos, most of the racism was said ironically, done to show how silly the racist stereotypes are dumb. If anything, idubbbz is more judgemental now than he was before. He just hates on people in different groups. There are tons of videos from more recent times where he judges others for their politics, being disabled, and being emotional. He hasn't matured or become a better person. He's just became passive aggressive and claims he has become better while not showing it.
Why are so many people saying “idubbbz normalized slurs”? I watched his stuff in middle school and didn’t say a single slur so it really sounds like kids parents just didn’t raise them right. You could still enjoy his content without caring for the racist shit he said? And still there was literally no reason to apologize for this because his actions spoke louder anyways and all the people who wanted the apology probably don’t give a fuck about idubbbz anyway. All this served to do was spite his old fans and just grift attention….
He didn't normalise slurs or at least had no intention too. But many kids did learn it and used it as if it was okay or a normal thing to do. That's why. I don't really know who to fault here tbh since comedy is comedy and should have no limits but kids are also naive and do dumb things.
@@saiko-no-kamiI mean sure but also I didn’t see anyone saying idubbbz use of slurs was out of line until now, so makes you wonder if it’s real or not!
@@saiko-no-kamikids also shouldn't be on RU-vid, so yeah parents faults as for any media they shouldn't be exposed to but people end up getting angry when they are.
The sad thing is kids literally don't understand caricature or satire, or people being ridiculous and playing characters online. I get that it's unfortunate and sad that it happens, but it's 1000% on the parents to monitor what children are watching. I was definitely shaped by the stuff I saw growing up, probably a lot that I shouldn't have, and that is 1000% percent because my folks weren't present. That may be anecdotal, but it's true, and it continues to be true for a lot of kids
You can't monitor every single damn thing your child does. They are humans too and parents have lives. Also, it doesn't matter if you're joking about being racists because real racists will see that and say "oh it's okay to hold these beliefs in real life" because there is no backlash that these things aren't ok
@@mor3gan285 Nah I know kids aren't as easily persuade as you guys make it out to be. I've seen his content before and I never turned into a racist. The "kids will learn from behavior whether ironic or not" is a theory at best supported without evidence.
rare charlie L. i dont care what your opinion is, as a white man, you have no say over if slurs hurt minorities. you dont know what its like to be a minority. youre perpetuating the idea that its okay to say slurs as shock value, even if you tack on the cringe label. its not cringe. its racism.
Is Charlie so used to people agreeing with him that he actually can’t think *critically* about the topic and see how his take was ass?? This isn’t a problem of misinterpretation his takes were just incredibly irrelevant and missing the point of the video 🤦🏽♂️
I don’t think you watched idubbbz video and really understood it. He didn’t say he was racist or a bigot, but he fostered a community that was. As someone who was a teen while watching him, he did do that.
As someone who also watched him as a teenager, no he didn't. He played around with racial and provocative jokes, yes, but that and clear cut, real, abject racism are two completely different things. I'm sure if a black person with the same exact sense of humor joined one of his old videos, he would be treated amicably and with respect, not with clear contempt how you would expect a racist to act.
Um not to shit on your buzz here but, what the fuck is the difference? If you say racist shit, and garner a racist crowd, does that not make you a racist??? Walk like a duck, talks like duck
Everyone is racist except the rich popular guy who fostered the community of racists. Lol the delusions here are insane. Idubbz is only apologizing so people don't try to ruin his career for jokes he made in the past and this way he can come out grandstanding. It's pathetic. Jokes are jokes. Saying N word isn't inherently racist. The internet has turned into a fundamentalist haven for narcissistic morons who don't realize the objective good that free speech is.
What is racism? I hear that word thrown around a lot for different reasons. I was under the impression that racism was some one who thinks their own race is superior.
@@YamnayaSintash🤓: hmmmmm well urrr actually saying the n word constantly isn't racist because they weren't literally wearing klan hoods and in their minds they were doing it to be funny
@@YamnayaSintash if you’re using the n word and you know the dark history and how damaging it is to say that then you’re racist. You know it’s wrong but you’re being entitled and lack empathy yet you still do it. There’s a lack of respect and it’s hurtful just like what the African American experienced. It’s not just a word. I don’t think context matters. Just don’t say it and move on with your day. Why say it? For power? To be cool?
Soooo I think the issue is that Charlie considered situation as one of iDubbz and his videos and not one of iDubbz and his fans/haters. Ian isn't putting out an apology because he wants to rebrand. Hes putting out an apology to make it plain that his change is his own despite the massive amount of people who think his wife/sponsors/woke clicks are pressuring him. (I think Charlie gets this at 9:29 )
Yeah, no. No no. Idubbbz is not doing this because of some organic reasoning or something. He's doing this 100% because of 1 influence from his girlfriend. 2 influence from those around him. And 3. Influence from the retarded fans. The part he can take credit for is that he was insecure
@@ogzombieblunt4626 Yeah, between the Froggy Fresh drama and trying to make a whole documentary to make fun of Sam Hyde, it's clear he never actually changed.
I gotta disagree with you here. He may not have invented the kind of humor he was using but he certainly had a MASSIVE platform to spread it on and was certainly a large influence for a lot of younger people. He not only normalized it and made people think it was okay but he was practically encouraging millions of kids to do the same. Also not really sure why you're referring to 2016 as if it were several decades ago. Seven years is not that long ago and spewing slurs left and right certainly wasn't okay in 2016 either.
I'm gonna admit it, I was one of those kids that would say slurs because Idubbz said it was okay in 2016. I was in middle school, a very impressionable time for me, and it's definitely a time that cringe and feel ahitty about looking back on it. But it's to show that, unless you were a kid at that time, you truly didn't know the extent of the effects that Idubbz and other content creators had on bigotry. It was VERY common at the time and it was the worst time for minorities. This is also not to mention that there are also impressionable adults out there that also thought that it was okay and it was evident on RU-vid which only further pushed bigotry into an upward trend. I think that should be recognized at least.
@@bobcarl8119 not necessarily blaming, children are just impressionable. seeing someone like idubbbz with a massive following saying “its funny to say slurs” is gonna rub off on children. its a given.
@Charlie C Hmm, I don't think its that simple. Parents and teachers can't keep an eye on children 100% of the time. Even if you keep an eye on your own kids' phones/laptoo history, their friends can just show them or they can delete their history.
I appreciate this video especially for understanding that iDubbz did have a serious negative impact on his young audience after hearing old fans talk about it, myself included. While I still disagree with a few points made here I think the best takeaway from this is that your audience knows how to have individual opinions and that is a rare thing to see, its easy to put your favourite creators on pedestals and believe all they say blindly but you have created a community that isnt afraid to disagree, I appreciate that
And it’s easy for the audience to take away the wrong message, as happened to Charlie in the very last video 😅 I think this one was clearer and showed a greater understanding, and I think that’s fantastic. Similar to idubbbz’s video itself!
You're right and idubzz is an idiot for making the content he made. But I highly doubt all the edgy kids that watched idubzz would've magically been saints without him... so I get why people are mad at idubzz, but they're also ignoring the fact that there's a greater societal problem at hand and I think that's a more important nuanced conversation that no one is having unfortunately
I used to love Idubbz and Pewdiepie and other edgy youtubers like them. And looking back god I was such an insufferable piece of sht 13-15 year old. I was the prime example of what happens when parents leave the parenting upto strangers on the internet.
If you watched videos from the "edgy era" of RU-vid, which was all about free speech and pointing out that words aren't hateful out of context, and your takeaway was "I can be racist now", then it's really a you issue.
For context at 12:39, where you're discussing how you were in your twenties when these videos were coming out... I was in high school during peak 2016 humor and this sort of content was rampant and ruining for some people. I engaged in most of this content and it never came off as something okay, but I knew plenty of other teenagers who indulged in this content and thrived in the enabling shit that Filthy Frank and idubbbz gave them. I saw a lot of extensive homophobia, racism, and more towards minorities that were justified by "that one funny video" they saw from that general group of youtubers. Is that the youtuber's fault? No, not at all. I watched their content too and would never dream of acting that way, no matter my age. Did it happen though? 100%. People took these videos and used them as an excuse to make them their personalities and let them define themselves. I think you're not really thinking deeply about this considering Minecraft Dream exists and has a rabid fanbase of preteens to teens. This shit was cocaine for white teenage boys.
@RotMGHirakuu I get what you're saying, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened. When someone smoothly switches from quoting an idubbbz bit and then immediately transitions into saying genuinely homophobic or racist shit, it's hard to not draw a correlation. Is that a product of parenting or their environment? Totally. Is it still fuel to the flames? Also 100%. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the content is intentionally harmful nor do I think they reflect on who the creators are as people. I just acknowledge that they did play a role in enabling some people, contrary to what Big Moist was saying.
@@vapv3656 That's fair, for me it had the opposite effect. When he said "either all of them are ok or none of them are" i picked none of them are ok. That made me aware of the homophobic slurs i often used as curse words, not understanding who it might hurt. I'm very thankful for idubbz blunt approach since that's what caught my attention, or i would have missed it
I think Charlie just doesn’t understand, like the way I don’t really understand, how stupid kids can really be. I grew up with Idubbbz content but never thought it was ok to call someone a slur.
@@butter3617hell, guidance'll do em better than just tellin em not to watch shit. They're just gonna grow up to not give a fuck and ignore ya if ya don't make a meaningful connection with em. Especially if they start having that para-social dynamic with someone online who's just on the other end of a camera.
@@butter3617the internet is everywhere. Good luck restricting it cuz it’s pretty impossible 🤷♂️ If they don’t that have shit on there phone they will just hear about it from someone else at school. Best you can do is teach kids right and wrong early so they don’t go down the offensive pipeline. Especially with how popular this was back then, it’s not avoidable. I personally don’t think the internet should tolerate a 30 year old man in a green suit saying “n*ggerf*ggot” to the world like it’s peak comedy in the first place, but maybe that’s just me 🤷♂️
I was worried he would respond to what people were saying and get kinda angry. Glad he has a sound mind and is pretty damn respectful to others opinions. Love this guy
@@hiamjennaman literally only brings out the sternness when his audiences goes out and does bad... yet still somehow the hate replies spam Ls at him for this of all drama talking points.
Idubbz, FilthyFrank and MaxMoeFoe definitely cultivated a very... interesting fanbase and growing up through that era at school- you'd witness alot of parroting of the things they'd say and do. I'm happy both Greg and Ian had apologized for it, no clue abt MaxMoe tho lmao. I think he's making ammends and i'm glad he's speaking on it to cut the ties.
Whos Greg lol? Joji has mentioned that he's not embarrassed of his fans but just wanted to move on and still jokes about "the good ol' days" with fans. Max and Chad still do the same humour on the Cold ones podcast. I'd like to hear if Ians views are still consistent when it comes to their program as I think consistency among your friends is when you can tell if someone actually means what they're saying or if its disingenuous
I'm glad you made this second video. That year, I could barely do anything without hearing the n word or being called it. As soon as they realise I'm black, they would start saying it. People who I know for a fact weren't racist were even using the word. With how massive he was, he would definitely have been a major proponent regardless of his intentions. People who barely knew English somehow were saying it as if it was some normal insult. He probably wss only s part of the problem. I understand hes probably a nice guy so him making that apology in the first place is reassurance.
@@gunreal8153 nuh uh ure the one capping bro. n word was like a hello to people. it WAS the norm and it was fucking harmful. stop lying to urself n people
@@gunreal8153 How do you downplay their experience and then say "not to downplay your experience but.." Your "never seeing it" does not overshadow their "seeing it more often." There are tons of people sharing similar experiences in this comment section, and you have to understand that perhaps you were in the wrong place at the wrong time to see it, or willfully/subconsciously ignored it when it did happen around you.
just gonna leave a lil quote from the apology video that you either completely skipped over or ignored because it was more convenient to the point you're trying to make: "casual racism is still racism, casual bigotry is still bigotry". it's not up to you to decide whether or not his content was bigotted or harmful to marginalized people. the fact that you're missing the point and dismissing his casual use of slurs as "edgy shock humor" is sort of emblematic of the issue that he's trying to point out with the apology
especially when Charlie is throwing out ‘greatest L of all time’, just to approach a highly nuanced situation with very little forethought. rare Critikal L
Right, even in this video he still doesn’t realize why the comments were disagreeing with the points he made with the previous video before and I’m glad to see people expressing their thoughts in the comment section.
Disagreeing is fine, opinions aren’t right or wrong and I feel like people are missing that point. Charley is merely making a conversation, and like he said- it is okay to have people disagree on his opinions. People asking critikal to make an apology just because they didn’t agree with what he said are taking it to the extremes lol
@@ferchsakura honestly it’s kinda nice to disagree with him for once, because often times I’m agreeing with him lol I feel it makes him more… real? He’s not afraid to disagree with others and put his real opinion out there Yknow? Plus, I’m the type to like a civil discussion and debate ya?
How about you take some responsibility for your own actions. If you can't disconnect shitty edgy humor on the internet from what's socially acceptable in the real world than that's on you.
lol my whole school threw the soft N at everyone and this was majority black & Hispanic school. Seeing him use the hard R was funny and absolutely nothing to get mad due to the context of the Tana video.
Dying on this hill is crazy especially since his past racist content has not affected you whatsoever. As someone who was in school during the 2016 racism arc it was hard to exist as a black person. Words do hurt no matter what anyone says
@@Schinzo__ yeah but he normalized and platformed this type of behavior for years and for a new audience of people, most people used to go out in the world with general respect for others, idubbz influenced people to go into the world with hate and animosity for people just because of skin color
@KittyPurry just cause idubbz called out racists doesnt change the fact that that he himself could possibly be one too. plus, his way of "calling tana out" was saying the n word in her face.. he really showed her ! 😭
@@isyrkI think Charlie just has a different perspective or interpretation of what idubbz was apologizing for. Charlie obviously doesn’t get it. That doesn’t make him deserving of any accusations of racism. Not that you are accusing him of such things.
charlie also wasn’t in school when idubbz peaked. his videos caused so much casual racism and bullying, i mean shit, his ricegum disstrack was pretty much all that came out of the edgy kids’ mouths. i’m not american yet idubbz was still huge.
@@autumnfrost-art seems like your using idubbz as a scapegoat for peoples shitty behaviour. Unless you were taking his content out of context it really shouldnt have been influential for anyone with half a brain
@@4moly you are under the assumption that those kids were intending to be racist and hateful, rather than trying to be humorous in a very very normal way (shock content)
@@GMarie. Nope, what has happened is that charlie's got lots overlapping audience with people like Hasan, which is people that value outrage and optics over actual human value
@SciFyerGaming well obviously, everyone knows that--they're saying that he greatly influenced kids and teenagers becoming and acting more casually racist in the years he was actively creating content, whether that be online or in the real world. for comparison, andrew tate obviously didn't invent sexism and toxic masculinity, but to say he hasn't greatly influenced a subsection of (primarily) teenage boys and younger men due to his content would be a lie.
he didn't create a culture of hate. racism and hatred existed well before 2016. it isn't even like he was the one who spread it on the internet, people have been racist on video games/the internet since it was first discovered.
He created a community of racism. Don't dumb it down to simply "hate" as if that's all it is. His community/fans follow behind what they think he believes. Making racist jokes gives the vibes that you are a fellow racist, which attracts racists to follow you and join your community
This is just a weird take. Of course he wasn’t the only person contributing, but he was one of the more popular ones. I think because you wouldn’t have been a target you maybe underestimate the impact it had. Also, this seems like something he did for his own peace of mind, not because there was a huge outcry for it. I rarely see people mention idubbbz at this point, this apology wasn’t expected. If the guy feels bad for who he used to be I think it’s a good thing that he addresses it and takes accountability. Will probably make him feel better.
I mean if he did it for his own peace of mind and for no one else then that's completely fine why would he post it on a public forum then? He didnt make it private either so it either seems disingenuous to some, or just shows how much some people are "chronically online" that they make everything they're going through public. Also, just as there are people who didn't go through it and thus their opinions might be not as much of value, there are people that went through it and werent affected as much. Does that invalidate them too? Why does it? Do you or any other person feel like ypu have more leverage to speak over others? Just some random questions it's not really targeted
@@willisstillhere8846 There are some things in life that are just objectively wrong for societal standards. Example, I'm sure a majority of people would agree bullying is wrong because they've experienced it and it has negatively impacted their lives. And maybe there's a minority of people who said it didn't affect their lives, cool their feelings are valid. But why would I listen to the people who aren't affected on the subject of if bullying is bad in comparison to those who have been affected? Is bullying suddenly justified and not bad because some people weren't hurt by it? No, because society deems bullying as wrong already, so those who have experienced it and weren't hurt by it are the outliers, and that's a good thing if they're truly fine after that, but that's not the standard.
I just think Charlie doesn’t realize the influence idubbbz had on kids during the height of his channel. I was his demographic during that time, 13-15, and a lot of his videos really warped my sense of humor. He normalized saying the n word for me, which I’m thankful I realized later that it wasn’t ok to say.
