HUGE UPGRADE! New Firewall Router Virtualization Host

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The Intel N100 and Intel N200 are massive performance upgrades for the 2.5GbE fanless firewall, router, and virtualization host space. We take the new Intel Alder Lake-N 4x 2.5GbE units for a spin to see how the new chips change this segment in a massive manner. Whether you need a new Proxmox VE virtualization host, or an OPNsense/ pfSense Plus firewall for work (or the #homelab of course) this is awesome.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:38 External Fanless Mini PC Overview
04:31 Internal SSD, DDR5, Intel i226-V, and Intel N100/ Intel N200
06:51 Performance
08:58 Virtualization with Proxmox VE and Firewall with OPNsense and pfSense discussion
10:23 Intel N100 and Intel N200 Power Consumption and Temps
14:22 Key Lessons Learned
16:30 Wrap-up
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- VMware ESXi and pfSense on a 6x 2.5GbE Core i7 Fanless System: www.servethehome.com/topton-f...
- 4x 2.5GbE J4125 Unit (Topton): • Physical or Virtual? A...
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@zyghom Год назад

1 year ago I did not know what Proxmox, virtualisation, external router and firewall were. Today I have them all at home: Beelink SER as Proxmox server for all my home thingis (Home Assistant, NodeRed, MQTT and tones of others) and such appliance like in this video as my router and Opnsense firewall on it. Actually your channel and your videos made me spending this money on these things - so thank you for help. It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Of course once I have bought all of them this year I am nowhere near to change any of them, especially that mine are working fine and still below their limits. But still I like to watch your videos. Thanks again for all of them.

@wryd4sound Год назад

5:35 I suspect the reason why theres less random-branded DDR5 memory is because theres just less DDR5 ics floating around in China to produce them affordably.

@JeffGeerling Год назад

You, sir, are a scourge on my credit card. One of these little guys is on its way to my house. Will be my new 2.5G router, replacing an ASUS RT-AX86U now that I have fiber.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Amazing! But I think you got a fan donation on that little fanless box

@JeffGeerling Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo The one you sent along is going at the office already. You got me hooked.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Ha :-)

@MichaelSpeyer Год назад

Thank you SO MUCH for reviewing this Patrick! I now know exactly what I'll be getting to replace my ageing celeron proxmox box now. Thank you thank you thank you for yet another brilliant video!

@JonathanShook Год назад

Hey Patrick, I had to use a full-sized PC board/CPU in order to get OpnSense to firewall at wire speed with a typical set of firewall rules with a 5Gb link. It would be nice if you could put each of these newer devices with >1Gbe on a comparative spectrum for how much traffic they can actually filter and pass. Perhaps you could set up a test harness with a couple reference points for number/type of filtering rules, dedicated or trunked traffic, and so on. I haven't seen anything else like this out there yet, so just offering an idea for something I would want to see.

@LampJustin Год назад

I hope they're going bring out some with the U300 Line. Then they would have enough pcie lanes for 10GBit connectivity. That would be insanely useful. The single P Core could also be tremendously useful for routing and stuff thats highly single threaded.

@joaovguedes Год назад

Pfsense really needs to update the community version, I think I will change to opnsense

@sirusvirtus5885 Год назад

Why?

@kc0eks Год назад

They do and it's basically the same as plus.

@looper6120 Год назад

I feel like they pull the plug for pfsense ce. Kinda make sense as it doesn’t give them much benefit. All open source kinda ends in the same way..

@magesnz Год назад

I upgraded to pfsense plus for free and it’s awesome

@joaovguedes Год назад

@@sirusvirtus5885 Lack of updates

@UnderEu Год назад

You show this one RIGHT EXACTLY AFTER I bought a N5105 unit... Great!

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

The N5105 is very good still. In the last year they went through 5 revisions after taking over from the J4125. Over 5 revisions they have gotten very good

@rennstrecke Год назад

The G-Connector is GPIO -> General-purpose input/output -> uncommitted digital signal pin on an integrated circuit or electronic circuit (e.g. MCUs/MPUs) board which may be used as an input or output, or both, and is controllable by software

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

That is what I thought. You can see on the internal shots of that side that it is actually a little recessed button/ switch.

@mattmichael2441 Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo It sounds like it’s a GPIO pin which is pre-populated with a switch for convenience.

@yumri4 Год назад

The use for the other M.2 is if you want to have a small storage node and use it mostly as a switch or router not firewall. Having 4TB of free space isn't a lot but it is enough for some for network storage for their home shared storage. For less than most NASes just without the redundancy you would get with any NAS system would give you.

@christofferaasted 11 месяцев назад

Regarding the dual nvme slot I think there could be usage for a small NVMe mirror for ZFS with snapshots, you'd be able to change from pfsense to opnsense easily if you'd like to test both out. There is a new DRAMless SN580 btw it comes down to 250GB, well suited otherwise a Crucial P3 Plus is straight forward and also DRAMless for low thermals.

@techtechuw597 Год назад

I have been running similar 6-port Celeron N5105 as my Opnsense box and it's been flawless for a year. However, the cpu is a bit on the weak side if you'd want to also run intrusion detection scanning with it. That Alder lake surely would be a better fit to that kind of cpu load.

@Apex180 Год назад

I really wish they would put these in a rack mount case off the bat, or offer the mounting shelf for two of them like palo alto does for their small firewalls (pa-820 etc) - would allow side by side mounting for running ha configs. I still havn't got round to putting the mini firewall in place because i don't have a mounting option for it in the rack currently.

@TheLadapower Год назад

Also, in the future you can get these with a daughter/riser card kind of things to further expand its capabilities. Pretty psyched about the N305 version as it would replace my i5-8600 server.

@jslay88 Год назад

Waiting for a solid 10G appliance for firewall/router combo with opnsense.

@BillLambert Год назад

I think that will remain the realm of DIYers for many years still, but at least we can now achieve solid 10G routing and multi-gig VPN with low-mid range desktop hardware.

@melanzystaa2202 Год назад

@Justin Slay look for Deciso DEC 740 and higher versions

@kindanyume Год назад

Indeed 2.5gb in in min now for faster inet connections... my house in wired for 10gb 15 yrs ago ffs.. Why the lack at least 1 sfp+ in curious

@MrHics Год назад

Does the m.2 slot support adding a 10gbe adapter in??

@MikrySoft Год назад

Yeah, my ISP recently started offering 5Gbps fiber and I don't want to be stuck with the modem/router combo they provide.

@fastfolky Год назад

I got this exact system with N100 cpu, 16GB memory and I placed a 250GB nvme drive in it. It handles my opnsense and home assistant workloads as VM’s withsome extra containers in proxmox and i never see the total cpu load get above 10%. I would 100% recommend this unit for typical homelab containers and a couple of VMs. I did place a 12CM fan on top powered by external usb port at 5volt. This has a huge impact on the cpu temps. Still mich better than a internal fan imho because I can replace it in 5 min with any 12cm fan and it’s super quiet.

@svenrasch5648 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the review. What I miss is, how the power consumption changes with more than 1 or with all network adapters working. I think this would be a more interesting real life use case for a router/firewall appliance.

@water4816 Год назад

I might get one of these once I get around to upgrading to gigabit broadband. Would be handy to have a few proxmox services such as a wireguard server, and to clone/backup other stuff from my main proxmox server. I'm sure it's powerful enough to deal with some of the containers/vms like unifi, and kuma uptime since it's a machine that (hopefully) says up 24/7.

@YKSGuy Год назад

With the added performance we need to see more units with SFP+ ports.. TWO 2.5 and TWO SFP+ would be great.. R86S refresh should be coming soon

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Год назад

YES!

@ken830 Год назад

Exactly! I'm just starting to look into these types of units to prepare for 10G fiber from my ISP at home and can't find anything small with 10G except for the R86s units, but they are a bit underpowered, I think... Am I overlooking something?

@konnorj6442 Год назад

Same here this new unit would be perfect for power etc but they are finally laying in ftth where I am (after often was done a decade ago and idiots in charge put hell Canada in charge of oversight.. so the subcontractors that actually did the work was explicitly told NO ftth allowed.. only fiber to HELLs local substations for vdsl fukkers) anyhow.. it appears I will have to suffer eith a Hell canada "hub" aka sagemcom oem.. and best options are the older model 2000 or 3000.. and i need a small box like this only with a sfp+ input and out to act as router before standalone switch. So far i have found sfa that fits the bill and isnt $$$$$$$$$" anyone out there have any info???

@AndrewFrink 11 месяцев назад

I don't think the N series CPUs have the pcie lanes for that. They have 9 gen 3 lanes. A x550-da2 needs 4 lanes, the main SSD is going to be X4, each 2.5gbe needs a x1. So dual 10gbe + 2.5 + SSD is all your lanes. You could go down to a x1 for the ssds, and you could get dual 10gbe + dual 2.5 + dual SSD. I really wish there was a low cost N100 compute level but with 48+ lanes. Ideally it would support bifurcation and gen4.

@YKSGuy 11 месяцев назад

@@AndrewFrink Even sata would be great.. Just don't like the soldered RAM or storage really as the ram would be nice to have an upgrade path on, same with storage or even replacement from wear over time from local logging.

@udayreddy6795 Год назад

I have an n5105 version with the 2x NVME drives and it works great in ZFS Z-1 with OpnSense. Still using 1gb lan but hopefully we will see some 2.5g 24 port switches soon

@chromerims 3 месяца назад

10:28 -- 3am before Computex? Yikes. Thank you for wearing the cape 👍. I am giving these CWWK Alder Lake N100/N305 firewall + possible NAS thingys another glance. Their 4x NVMe daughter board you showed in your other N305 video is a nifty "cheat code" (as Wendell might say). Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.

@uzimmermann Год назад

Two M.2 makes sense for appliance as you can mirror the drives, or for active firmware/fallback.

@fintrollpgr Год назад

Or running your NAS, Home assistant and router on one device (eventually all in their own VM's) instead of having a separate machine for every one of those.

@blackmennewstyle Год назад

That's really cool. I hope they will release a 6x 2.5GbE or even a 6x 1GbE (I could easily live with that lol) Enjoy the rest of your week 🔥🚀

@marramgg 5 месяцев назад

Hey! Thanks for the review. Will you do a speedtest with a 10gbit SFP? Would love to see how they handle that.

@Zarathustra-H- Год назад

Years ago when I built my router I was hoping to get somethig like this, but I couldn't find anything good enough. Instead I got an Asrock Rack Mini-ITX board with dual onboard Intel NIC's, installed a Core i3-7100 and used a mini-box M350 case and a Pico-PSU to make my own. I wonder how these new Alder Lake N100 and N200's compare to the i3-7100's OpenVPN performance.

@harrythehandyman Год назад

If it is made by CWWK, then it is not USB 3.0 on the alderlake N models. It is USB 2.0. The reason is 9 PCIE lanes (x1 each for 4 x 2.5, x1 for wifi, x 4 for nvme). CWWK said that later they will have a converter board that converts one of the m.2 slot to USB 3.0. There is another brand that looks very close to this one, that trades x2 nvme bandwidth to USB 3.0.

@diegosps Год назад

I was wondering if this is really USB 3.0 because for topton and cwwk they explicite mention 4 USB 2.0 ports for this chassis. There is a mini version in topton and WooYi that says it has 2 x USB 3.0

@andrewtelford7436 11 месяцев назад

@@diegosps I have the N100 version running proxmox 8: the 2 back and 2 front ports seem to be connected to Bus 01 which is only usb 2. Bus 02 shows up as 1000 gbps but is not connected :-( # lsusb -t /: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 10000M /: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/12p, 480M |__ Port 1: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=usbfs, 12M |__ Port 2: Dev 11, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbfs, 12M |__ Port 4: Dev 9, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usbfs, 480M |__ Port 7: Dev 5, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M

@JoseAngelAcostaEngineering Год назад

Hi Patrick thanks for another excellent discovery, please check this with the n305 version: the seller offer an quad m.2 PCIe3 splitter/riser similar to the one to adapt an 2280 to the 2230 slot but to share the full 2280 X4 slot to 4 m.2 X1 , i saw the adapter at the toptom version I assume should be the same for this, it opens new possibilities as practical full blown Nas/firewall device

@saiyantwan Год назад

At some point can you guys look at some of the rack mountable options.

@acuteaura 2 месяца назад

the libvirt frontend for cockpit has gotten so good, we run Fedora on one of those and pass one of the NICs into OPNsence and make a bridge of the other 3 (with a virtual device connecting the bridge and OPNsense) - and we didn't have to touch the XML or even command line once to set it up.

@ServeTheHomeVideo 2 месяца назад

Sweet! Good to know.

@nfavor Год назад

I love these reviews. I started with the J4125 unit that you reccomend and ended up upgrading to the 58000U unit that you later reviewed. In retrospect the 5800U is overkill but it's been such a good unit.

@jgold2813 Год назад

over kill is always better :)

@philippemiller4740 Год назад

Does it support video hardware transcoding like Intel qsv does?

@nfavor Год назад

@@philippemiller4740 No idea. I'm using it for Proxmox and not NAS.

@el-magnifico1862 11 месяцев назад

I have the china version with 6 x 2.5gbps ethernet port. Works stable for 4 x wan load balancing with zenarmor enabled. The CPU core widget temp is 50-70c

@ndupontnet Год назад

What kernel are you using in proxmox? You might want to try 6.1 or 6.2, which has all the N100 power management, you should be close to 6-7 watts at idle

@philippemiller4740 Год назад

Isn't 7.4 the current version? Are you saying they removed these features from 6.2 to 7.4?

@accesser Год назад

They look good, My hope is one of the vendors someday add basic lights out management, so it's possible get to the device if your OS has an issue.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Many folks do not want that on firewalls since it is another security surface and OS. Adding a AST2600 probably adds around $25 and 5W of power consumption. That is a lot on this class of device

@CapsLock33 Год назад

love the review!!

@VideogamesAsArt 11 месяцев назад

I wish the sub-10W range was also covered by Ryzen. With how efficient they are in mini PCs at 15-30W, I think they would absolutely kill it in these fanless designs! My dream is having a fanless laptop with lots of cores.

@knofi7052 9 месяцев назад

Really nice but the idle power draw of about 11W is a little bit on the high side.

@martynayshford4318 Год назад

I got one of these today. The Proxmox install didn't go well. The system didn't get a DHCP address and the framebuffer was unrecognised. This was the 7.4.1 install. 8 beta worked, still no DHCP address, both installs got real IPv6 addresses, so that might have worked for the install. In the install I specified the IP, gateway and DNS server for it to use and it installed OK. Anyway short version - I think you need a Linux 6.x kernel if you want no aggro.

@zupzop9237 Год назад

What I would like to see in a review is whether a more potent APU (like AMD"s 4800U) that is under max load more power hungry is actually more energy efficient (or not) compared to these ultra lower power NXXX APU's when performing light tasks.

@danielbrowne3461 Год назад

Would like to see network throughput performance testing on something like this.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Basically pointless. The N5105 can be a firewall for 6 ports. This only has four and is much faster

@martynayshford4318 Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo What would be worth testing is pppoe performance, especially virtualised interfaces. I have been trying to get a proxmox virtualised low power server that could do 1gbs over pppoe, it is basically single threaded on freebsd (pfsense), don't want to passthru so more overhead. So far - 4305U passmark single threaded 1365 not quite fast enough if pfsense run virtualised. i3-1115g4 single passmark 2666, easily does it, can be throttled to 2.1Ghz and still is fine, but it get too hot. N100 passmark 1998, should be good enough and having just commissioned one - it is. Still fairly warm, but nothing like the i3 which actually got too hot to touch!

@playeronthebeat 11 месяцев назад

This could be perfect for like NAS systems or media servers, too. The N100 chip seems to be capable of 4k 10-bit AV-1 decoding. ASRock seems to be selling an Micro ATX form factor SOC with a full length PCIe 3.0 meaning SAS or SATA controller are actually viable. For just a little over €100€ in my case without the DDR4 stick - sadly - it seems like a good deal. Add in PSU, DDR4 and controller and you're more or less good to go. For a pure media server, however, I'd say it's a bit too overpowered. I'm definitely interested too see what these chips are capable of!

@IsoMacintosh 9 месяцев назад

Important thing to note is the full length PCIe in the asrock works at 2x speed so it's not really any better than the shorter PCIe in the ITX variant. (The shorter connector seems to have an open back so it should accept any PCIe cards) So if you only want one addon card you could go with the itx model and external 19volt power brick.

@jeeves555 2 месяца назад

My N100 just arrived yesterday. One thing to note - the power supplies don't seem to be genuine. Mine came with a "Delta" one but it weighs nothing and the logos are just wrong. I've ordered a genuine one to replace it as it'll be on 24/7.

@felentus Год назад

Does it support in band ecc? That would be awsome for a small zfs box, since they now also offer a m.2 to 4x m.2 adapter for this system. Combine with the other adapter you could fit 5 nvme drives. All with only one lane but that would be more than enough.

@Krunchy71 8 месяцев назад

These things look very cool. I wish I understood what they are used for.

@FrenziedManbeast Год назад

I'd love to have a dual 10GBASE-T option to pair with these $300 10G switches in the consumer market - right now I can drop $315 on one of these, but then I feel "stuck" on 2.5G for the future. I think I'll probably just hold out and hope one of these babies gets upgraded with enough PCIe lanes to get a 2x10GbE and 2x2.5GbE solution or something similar - 2 x 10GbE being my absolute minimum.

@GreyGoshawk Год назад

What kind of wireguard performance can you get on these?

@denvera1g1 Год назад

I would love a 1U version of this that i can put at the tippy top of my enclosed rack (tip top so it can still be passive and 1U to give it more surface area for cooling in a hot enclosed rack), but i'd prefer the 8 core version, still super upset they're calling this 8 core Atom N305, an i3-N305, with the same CSP/MSRP as an i3-1215u/1315u Why price it the same as a processor that is literally twice as performant, twice the GPU, close to 4X the PCIe bandwidth, twice the spec, and more than 15x the RAM support, once 64GB DDR5 SODIMMs become available, you can physically install up to 256GB on a 4 slot board where as the i3-N305 has the same 16GB firmware limit, doesnt matter if you stick in a 64GB dimm, it doesnt seem to work correctly with more than 16GB.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Agreed.

@UpcraftConsulting Год назад

Many of the aliexpress sellers will offer a rackmount option if you message them. Usually gets a fan in that config but they also put an internal power supply on it. I have gotten Qotom to make me rackmount versions of their units for $50 to $100 upcharge. If you order a higher quantity they would also do custom logo printing.

@concinnus Год назад

The standard way to adapt this, last I saw, was a rack tray. The unit is a little taller than 1U but at the top of the rack that probably doesn't matter. If you actually need it to be 1U and passive, that's a new heatsink/case extrusion, which would be very niche and a big ask.

@denvera1g1 Год назад

@@concinnus but i like my rails :(

@sayanchx 9 месяцев назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Please review the version with the Pentium Gold 8505 CPU since it has 1 P core + 4 E cores and offers 20 PCIe lanes compared to the 9 PCIe lanes of the N100/200/300 series

@xtlmeth Год назад

In curious about encryption performance for IPSec or WireGuard.

@codyanderson5467 Год назад

the G spot looks like a spot for a cable lock like they do on some laptops still. G is probably a specific brand of the lock

@anakinskywalker8624 Год назад

About the temperature difference. I have a similar unit and I got the same temperatures when I change in UEFI firmware (BIOS) CPU performance settings from Max battery to Turbo. You may check if this setting is the same on your N100 and N200 :)

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Super! We have an awesome forum thread with these linked in the description where folks are doing stuff like that. I like to test these as they arrive since that is how 99% of people will use them

@saifemran4528 Год назад

Great Video! Does this work with VMware?

@UpcraftConsulting Год назад

Local ISP now offers 3Gig service with a 10Gig port on the ONT. Need to see units with 10/5/2.5/1 gig ports or multiple sfp+ ports asap. Usually the best option is a supermicro or Asrock rack Xeon-D since they often get 10Gig ports.

@konnorj6442 Год назад

Need much the same as are finally doingnftth drops here with 8gb avail.. but need a box much like the one in the vid only with min 2 stp+ for IO (3 is better in case one dies) Oh and asrock is bottom of the barrel after decades in IT and doing a ton of review and test work Asrock has been blacklisted by us and quite a few others due to their beyond shit CS..

@damzelfly Год назад

PSA: a single stick of DDR5 is running at dual channel. Same as two stick of DDR4. I think they include the crucial brand DDR5 is just because the no-brand one haven't catch up to DDR5 yet.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

DDR5 modules do have two channels BUT they are effectively half width from DDR4. We have an entire video on DDR5 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CG5ontMa8kw.html

@chrismccallum5316 11 месяцев назад

Hi Patrick always enjoy your videos mate! Just setup one of these units with a i3-N305 with a Proxmox + OPNsense configuration with PCI passthrough. All working great but found a gotta in my network as I don't have a separate management network and if I shutdown OPNsense I'm unable to route to the proxmox management GUI. Just wondering any suggestions around this?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 11 месяцев назад

Hi Chris, thank you for being a STH RU-vid member! Usually we leave one NIC for Proxmox VE management and give that a static IP. Even if your OPNsense goes down with a DHCP server, you can still connect via IP to the Proxmox VE host as long as you can reach that port.

@chrismccallum5316 11 месяцев назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo No worries I enjoy all the STH content! Let me try via IP as both are on the same switch and subnet range.

@mxuther Год назад

with a m.2 6 port sata adapter is great for unraid!!!

@feicodeboer Год назад

May we assume the units were not stacked during the CPU stress test and temperature measurement?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

There is a note on screen in that section. Yes. We are just using that configuration for the power consumption. The actual load and benchmarks were done in a 22.5C room on a table.

@feicodeboer Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ok, thanks. I must have missed that notice.

@lukas_berger Год назад

Small remark for the performance comparison: You show in the graphs @07:30 that the N5105 has about 64-73% as much performance as the N100, but you say that the N100 is around 30% faster in single core performance, when it is in fact aorund 56% (1051/678=1.56) faster. Either that or you meant to say the N5105 is around 30% slower. For the N200 it's even more, that one is, according to the graphs shown, roughly 70% (1145/672=1.70) faster than the N5105 instead of the mentioned 40-50%. Flipped around the slower than/faster than here as well. :)

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

We typically only show a portion of the workloads we actually run, but we try to consistently show the same bits. I do not want to tell folks 70% then they see 25-30% on most things and then they wonder what is going on. Better to set realistic expectations.

@lukas_berger Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I figured it'd be something like that, just very unlucky that the numbers coincide to look just like the graphs were wrongly interpreted :D

@kiri101 Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo That makes sense. Perhaps disambiguate that in either the graph or the voiceover.

@ZhechenZhu Год назад

A bit off topic. But I noiticed that the SSD is from Fangxiang using YMTC chips. Rarely seem them outside of China. Much of the recent price drop of NVME drives have been accredited to the rise of YMTC. Any chance that this drives/chips could be investigated? I'm current running 10 NVME drives on one of my severs. would also be intereseted in budget NVME storage server suggestions. platform, fs, raid, networking, etc.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

I can see if Will who does our SSD reviews wants to take a look at one of these.

@philippemiller4740 Год назад

How can you fit 10 drives into one server? Do they all get x4 link? 🤔😊

@mr.needmoremhz4148 Год назад

G for G- man key and (easy) front door access? 🤔😉 Sorry, have no idea, never saw it before as well 😅

@tgmzl Год назад

我有一台畅网的8505软路由，性能确实比较强悍，另外我想讲的是国伟科技的r86s机器的造型更好看一些比较迷你，我比较喜欢，最后硬酷在八月的升级版r2更加的完美，不知道你们能不能看懂我的评论

@MrBobbybrady Год назад

As soon as I heard the word Proxmox you got an upvote. Thanks !

@sighupcmd Год назад

I want the same, but with fully featured wifi subsystem (4-6 mountable antennas, etc). Wifi on this thing will suck :( So it's just a router, with pricey case (i think it take more than a half of the price). For years I'm lazily looking for perfect home router, 4gb+ RAM, without OS bundled (it should just boot from SD, or USB stick if any plugged, the rest I'll do myself over SSH). One or two PoE ports would be great to have. CPU arch doesn't matter when you're Gentoo user, you know how to cross-compile Linux :)

@CheekoVids 11 месяцев назад

Do these guys come with coreboot Bios?

@pedro_8240 Год назад

How does one of these compare to a Mikrotik RB5009 in performance? Disregarding that the RB5009 has only one 2.5G port?

@ronmaximilian6953 Год назад

Are these systems from the PRC safe?

@nxtcrafter1396 Год назад

Does this unit include a TPM 2.0 ?

@XouXin Год назад

The second SSD slot could potentially be used for a Coral AI accelerator. I think these type of accelerator chips will become more popular.

@jandorniak6473 Год назад

Or grab the Coral that goes into the WiFi slot.

@samstringo4724 Год назад

@@jandorniak6473 Or get an E-Key to M key adapter board.

@jacobburgin826 10 месяцев назад

What would be the use case in this form factor?

@kopparsulfat Год назад

would be nice if you could compare to the one with the core i3 cpu too.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

That one was manufactured later. We have the i3 N305 units and will probably record the video in the next week or two

@jacobburgin826 10 месяцев назад

Can you put both cell and wifi m.2 cards and storage?

@hankhulator5007 Год назад

Hi, the G hole stands for : "Guard me from the curiosity of Patrick" \o/😋 Looks like a missing act or the recycling of a former (or a future) metal sheet folding, anyway, it looks like the place to put a rectangular LED - this is understandable, as tooling, processing and silkscreens cost a lot for small series of devices.

@magesnz Год назад

i would love to have one of these servers with a 10 gig sfp port or at least 10 gig ethernet port on these machines

@WereCatf Год назад

The Aliexpress-listing says those are all USB2.0-ports, not 3.0. Can you confirm that they are actually USB3.0, like you claim here, or is the listing correct?

@jasper221176 Год назад

You find the G-spot..👍

@shephusted2714 Год назад

they should add a slim noctua fan and dual chan mem - it is not asking too much

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Alder Lake-N does not support 2ch

@davefiddes Год назад

It would be nice to see the Power Factor(PF) for power consumption tests. There's always a nasty reflection obscuring that panel on your power meter. PF (or VA) is useful for specifying UPS as well as generally minimising load on the grid in general. Thanks for the review.

@jb5631 Год назад

I agree for higher power devices but PF for a sub 30W load? The outcome is going to be negligible

@mryo-yobzh9485 Год назад

You can see that it's around 0.6/0.7 PF but you can also use the (weird ?) 120V times the 0.14A to get the ~17VA at idle

@davefiddes Год назад

@@wojtek-33 I'm not sure I would describe it as "easy", "just possible" perhaps!😄

@davefiddes Год назад

@@jb5631 The point of the US Energy Star regulations (and EU equivalents) is that a negligible amount multiplied by millions of devices is anything but negligible. Poor PF has a real impact on the grid.

@DerekMurawsky 10 месяцев назад

When you talk about performance, I would really like to see som iperf and real-world throughput tests. Maybe a standard baseline opnsense config and throw some packets at it?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 10 месяцев назад

The N5105 pushes 2.5Gbps wire speeds over NAT in iperf3 across two pairs of ports (so 2x 2.5GbE NAT on the same box). I am not sure how useful that is to show for even faster CPUs.

@DerekMurawsky 10 месяцев назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo The interesting thing is when you throw in VPNs and IDS. That will likely hit either the crypto accelerator in the CPU, if the CPU has one, or will directly hit the normal CPU.

@vervlogan Год назад

Ok, I am looking at putting in a micro PC like this in my network cabinet. I need it to run a firewall/modem so I can't get rid of my base unit, home assistant, Adguard/pihole/something along those lines, and unify controller. Is this powerful enough to run all that or should I look at something a touch bigger?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes. If you are worried, we are going to have the i3-N305 version review soon. It just arrived yesterday after the video was uploaded.

@vervlogan Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo that's good!!! I don't want to rerun my network in this house, but my next option was jumping to a 2u server And placing that in my garage and running my plex server from that as well. Thank you for running an amazing channel

@Zarathustra-H- Год назад

Any word on pfSense support for those i226V NIC's Is it good? You used to always buy Intel NIC's for this kind of stuff, but their 2.5Gbit chips have been iffy at best.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Iffy mostly in consumer desktops. We have well over 100 ports of the i225 B3/ i226 running at this point under linux in these smaller systems.

@JohnDoe-ki6yd Год назад

Patrick, can you use your considerable influence to ask about a box like this that contains one of the new Ryzen V3000 cpus that have dual 10gb nics built into the chip?

@JohnDoe-ki6yd Год назад

Or maybe something with the Atom P5721 with gen 3 QAT?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Both good options.

@AlexandreAlonso Год назад

Waiting to see n305 version review

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

That is wise.

@weker01 9 месяцев назад

Is the Wifi m.2 slot an E-key type?

@AlyredV2 Год назад

Do any of them support their devices with firmware updates yet? So far I've found these no-name brands to be fixed in time once you've purchased them, and that's always a bit disturbing with the number of random firmware and CPU vulnerabilities lately.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

There have been some updates. We also have an awesome STH forum thread in the description with folks editing to get new features enabled. Still, not as many as the average gaming motherboard.

@jrherita Год назад

2:30 We found the STH G-Sp.. Switch!

@MrBook123456 Год назад

good job

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Thanks

@azr2d1 Год назад

You need to test those ports. I've heard about issues with drivers. They seem to work but won't perform well. Can you test ?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

The i226-V in these is fine. We have close to 100 ports running 24x7 in labs.

@azr2d1 Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo are you load testing them ?

@DynaBlassT 11 месяцев назад

Jest szansa na test z wi-fi? Jak to działa czy nie warto zawracać sobie tym głowy?

@scenepool Год назад

The one I received had no heat spreader and just used a .6cm blob of thermal gel. I had to order copper shims and thermal paste.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Was that an Alder Lake-N or an earlier generation?

@scenepool Год назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo it was an earlier version but purchased this year, Intel Celeron J4125

@mworld Год назад

Patrick, you make me spend money :)

@DevinAdint 8 месяцев назад

Hi Patrick, You said the N100/N200 can support the 2.5Gb ports but can it support running many of the modules available for the PFsense firewall and a AT&T Fibre 1GB internet connection? For example one would want to run the Suricata Threat Detection module, the Unbound DNS Resolver with encrypted DNS, and the Geo Fencing Modules. Would it still have headroom for VPN connections and other services?

@ServeTheHomeVideo 8 месяцев назад

Personally, if I wanted to run that much, I would start thinking about the N305 version.

@DevinAdint 8 месяцев назад

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Actually according to Passmark the N100 has twice the performance of the Atom C3558 processor running on NetGate's 6100. So I'm thinking if they expect that to support two 10Gbe and four 2.5Gbe that the N100 should be sufficient to run Suricata, Unbound, PfBlocker and even a VPN.

@silverismoney Месяц назад

What was the performance like running OPNSense as a VM in proxmox? can it route 2.5Gbit internet traffic ok?

@estebanmata1251 Год назад

I’m pretty new to networking, does having those 4 2.5G means you could use one as WAN, and the other three as LAN? Maybe with the ability to use a V-Lan for each of those? Also, in the case you can do V-Lans, would I need managed switches?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

Yes you can do that. You probably would not want to treat it as a switch though since passing traffic between ports on here goes through the NICs and CPU instead of through an onboard switch.

@estebanmata1251 Год назад

Oh okay, what should I research about in order understand how to use this type of device? I’m a computer scientist so I’m no stranger to containers and systems engineering, I have some knowledge of networking but this is a bit out of my league

@pistol0grip0pump Год назад

I assume the G is for grounding? as it's also near the power? a little bit of a stab in the dark there but you never know ;) 😅

@ServeTheHomeVideo Год назад

It is a little button that you can depress.

@falsemcnuggethope Год назад

In all seriousness, one of the product photos marks it as GPIO.

@johnwashifi Месяц назад

Does it support NIC Passtrough in Proxmox?

@nazar5549 Год назад

Can you verify that these are production Alder Lake-N chips? There were reports of N6005 units arriving with engineering samples

@gjkrisa Год назад

Zfs mirror yes!

@mworld Год назад

Does this unit support NVME SSDs ? The one you've linked says it's NVME.

@marcogenovesi8570 Год назад

Having dual NVME slots is pretty good for a RAID1 config for Proxmox and whatnot

@andream9475 Год назад

Won't be too hot inside that case? May be with an add on fan...

@haroldfinch1955 11 месяцев назад

Pfsense updates the community version.

@kjai8888 Год назад

AliExpress link isn't working for me

@sprocket5526 11 месяцев назад

hmm. woudl be kinda awsome if you can buy one of these with out the allu chasis and with 6 SATA connectors for use in a NAS instead of the N5105

@jonnyotter1852 6 месяцев назад

I recently picked up one of the N100 units and populated with 2 NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM. It is running XCP-NG with the 2 SSDs in a RAID 1 configuration. It seems to work very well. I may be dense, but I could not find an option in the AMI BIOS for auto power on after power failure. Could someone tell me where to find it?

@jonnyotter1852 6 месяцев назад

I'm replying to my own comment in case someone else runs into the same issue. For my slightly newer motherboard that has 2 x USB 3 ports and AMI BIOS, got to the "Chipset" page, then open the "PCH-IO" section and select the "State after G3" option