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Remember those iranian speedboats? can they converted to act like those Ukrainian Unmanned boats? low RCS, 80kph top speed, 40knots, 250-400lbs warhead? The Ukrainians say they cost about 250k USD each. How many of those would be needed to take out the Black Sea fleet?
It all seems mostly realistic, except you left out the nuclear counter-strike. Every time you launch an LRASM at the Russian fleet, you have to also launch a Poseidon at DC and London, to make it realistic. Did you know the Russian Navy just took possession of the first production run of Poseidon torpedoes? Those will go on the Belgorod subs, the largest subs in the world, which are already at sea. Those likely have a 200 megaton warhead, from what I've read, which will generate a 500 meter high tsunami, covering thousands of miles of coastline, coming dozens of miles inland, entombing every bunker in their wake, and they may very well be salted warheads too, rendering the flooded region uninhabitable for decades or even centuries. Can a mod be made for the Belgorod, I wonder? Russia is not China. The difference is in the nuclear arsenal. You only get one war, Cap, and it's going to have to be with China. That's probably better, really, considering how much farther away it is from Europe.
@@Gabriel_McMillan And yet Harpoons and Neptunes will be launched against said fleet in real life and some time this year Boeing/SAAB Small Diameter bombs will likely make their debut, blowing up S-400 radars and ammo depots 100km behind the Russian lines.
P.S. I saw Prof. Clarke on Sky News yesterday, where he was arguing that the Ukrainians had been using HARM missiles to counter the Pantsir systems that were defending supply depots against the HIMARS.
I would be shocked if the LRASM missiles couldn't communicate with each other and at the very least assign an equal number of missiles to each ship to spread out the damage. You would also think it would be possible for F-35 pilots to assign targets to the LRASM as they neared the fleet.
Well, of course it can. It does other things good too. For example, it can be fired from at least a range of 200 miles (Probably much more) and then the pilot can just leave the area, no need for locking or assigning targets. You can tell the missile you're looking for X target where X is whatever ship, and it will seek to destroy that ship using AI to detect multiple different aspects about the ship and compare it to its database of information to ensure a proper kill on an intended target even if the waters are filled with civilians. If the AI is feeling lazy that day, the missile can be remotely controlled via datalink. In a group of them, each missile communicates through low power signal transmission with each other. So, say you assign a primary target and then have all the other missiles seeking any tertiary targets, and if there are none, they can be harmlessly destroyed. The missile is also equipped with sensors to detect the terrain around it with extreme precision, and it compares that data to its database in order to fly efficiently, accurately, and seek targets with battlefield awareness which surpasses the capabilities of human motor control and reflexes. It's also outdated technology and it hasn't even seen combat. Ten year old war technology with fewer kills than a DJI Mavic.
They can do that and as I understand will also arrange themselves to all come in from different angles at the same time. No idea if jamming can stop them doing that but of course if you were jamming a bunch then you might also limit your ability to target them at the same time.
Hey Cap, I know it’s a lot of work great effort. Can I make a couple suggestions? I agree the Raptors should go in 20 miles ahead of the Vipers. I also think some Eagles should’ve been used to carry additional bar missiles to support the Raptors. Would a wild weasel mission be effective in the operation as well? Perhaps try using the Vipers to get in the SAM net, wait for a missile to be fired, the turn cold and go back out range. I think in conjunction with the wild weasel you’ll be able to use up the S400 SAMs with fewer losses to USAF. With the S400s used up it then allows for the Vipers and Eagle EX to get in and support the Raptors in achieving air dominance especially if pulling all Russian resources to the north while the Lighting anti ship comes from the west. Perhaps after the Lightings have fired the LRASMs then squadrons of Eagle E and Vipers with the laser guided bombs at medium altitude can cleanup what the anti ships leave behind. Thanks again.
the SU-35 is a very capable fighter, no wonder iran was willing to supply thousands of drones and missiles to Russia for just 24 SU-35(and some helicopters and air defense systems), great video as always cap.
I believe it’s the best non stealth fighter with the large load large speed and acceleration and warfare and super maneuverability, it’s so great that China bought about over 20 over them just to copy their engines and their engine thrust vectoring for their new 5th gem fighter J20
You act as if Iran is the one taking the loss....fuck no. Iran would be an absolute idiot to not take that deal. Those cheap ass drones they gave them, even in the numbers they did, doesn't come close to the price of the SU35's. Russia got slapped in the face because they were desperate. I'd love to see the terms Russia gave Iran on those jets...like is it a "We will deliver immediately?" or is it "We will deliver as soon as we deem our country is safe" and will never deliver or take 40 years to deliver? What's Iran going to do to Russia if they don't deliver?
Davros you are dumb, Russia is actively building dozens of su 35s. 🤣 Russia makes all of its own parts and processors and chips. You need to stop believing the lying media. You really think Russia can have twice as many successful space launches alone than the entire rest of the world and also have the most advanced nuclear technology and hypersonic technology but suddenly cannot build su 35s or main battle tanks because of "sanctions"? 🤣
It’d be interesting to see if the whole uk fleet can defend against a massive attack from Russian fleet and air assets w defending air assets to boot and all, it’d be interesting
I would love to see this again but swap the 16s with 15s or something capable of carrying the American decoy missiles and send those in a couple staggered waves to soak up a lot of the initial S400 and Su-35 missiles. All in all a fantastic video🎉
Why wouldn’t you do a full stealth attack? The F-16s telegraph that something is coming. With a full stealth attack they would have a huge surprise advantage
It's not really a surprise attack, it's a juicy target in the middle of the world's most active warzone. You're not going to surprise people who are actively looking for an attack, especially since the moskva became a submarine. Also the Russian AWACS can still see the incoming aircraft.
@@92HazelMocha There’s a difference between a strategic and tactical surprise attack. On the strategic level, of course an attack will always be expected on a valuable target like that, just like you said. But on a tactical level surprise is of course possible. Giving your enemy as little time as possible to run the OODA loop is the name of the game in modern warfare (especially naval warfare) and having an all-stealth approach would absolutely do that. I’m surprised they chose to send the Vipers in first, since it seems pretty obvious to me how and why 5th gens go first.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 The US also has a habit of using lots of decoys and jammers to sow confusion (and waste defending missiles and ammo) during it's large-scale attacks.
Would love to see a flight of F-15 E’s come in after the LOASMs just to finish off the stragglers. Long time watcher/subscriber. Love the content Cap. Cheers
No tactics was involved. 1) Decoys could be used to distract the initial launches of R-77s. This would deplete them well. 2) F-22s could attack from various directions.
It would be interesting to see how different this would be with a Patriot system stationed as far as close to the coast as you could (according to front lines). Likewise, run this with AIM260s as they're supposed to be in service this year. Also you said a B1 got rushed - perhaps run a diversion strike on a different vector to pull the fighters out of position? I know you're a bit restricted with approach routes though, so maybe not feasible. I'd like to see this run again though with your revised F22 positioning, a Patriot site as close to the coast as you think you could get it and AIM260s, think of it as a Q3 2023 operation when all these should be in place.
@@grimreapers well don't worry if you can't get it to work I understand you guys are trying your best with core game limitations. DCS is more suited to modeling Chinese or Russian missiles which tend to rely on more brute force to succeed while lrasm is more of a smart weapon. For example a pair of lrasms may decide to attack from different vectors against the Russian Corvette whose panstir ciws can only attack one vector at a time meaning that one will get through and kill it. Or maybe it will target a Type 055's radar array stopping it from intercepting further missiles, or a carriers arresting gear effectively killing all airborne aircraft. Lrasm is just something you lack capability to model and as such I understand if it is underperforming. Generally I think stealth to represent the evasion tactics it employs and a large damage yield to represent precise targeting of weak spots are probably the best you could do RN.
One thing you could do to mitigate the issues with the LRASM missiles deconflicting is have some kind of large target like a carrier that’s set to be invincible but not able to defend itself that acts as the “fleet” in the eyes of the missiles but you place the fleet itself around the carrier and have them operate as they normally would. You then count the hits on your invincible aircraft carrier and apply that to the fleet as destroyed vessels. This of course assumes the LRASM in real life would be able to distinguish a dead ship from a fighting ship. Could be a nice work around for future projects
Another fun and exciting battle. - Another thing you can do to make it realistic is include some Wild Weasels/HARM attacks. I would expect that to be one of the first tactic happening at the beginning of an Air Campaign.
Why wasn’t Ukraines Sam net taken into account? Just out of curiosity this has SU35’s flying over Odessa. When that entire coast is littered with Manpads and S300 and BUk
Cap, First off. Great Video, I always love the one's that involve the ships like this. I was wondering though while watching, How many Potential human lives would be lost from the ships being destroyed like that. Is there some way you can program that into you counting script to get an idea?
Read about 30 comments. I agree the F-16s might have best been used as Wild Weasels, with the f-22s sitting in ambush waiting to jump the S-35s as they pursued the F-16s. Not sure about the range of the F-35s with 4 x 1500 lb. missiles strapped outside, but I do know it would qualify as stealth anymore. I wonder what the range (performance) of the LRASMs are when launched at sea level. And I hope that IRL these $3,000,000 missiles are better able to prioritize and differentiate between targets. If so, the Russian losses in this scenario might have doubled. We have seen before them choosing a cruiser or DD over a within eyesight carrier as well as having seen them hit multiple times on the same sinking target. This would absolutely be worth revisiting with a Grim Reapers tactic change. I know there's only so much you can do with the mods - really appreciate all yous guys efforts !
Tactical suggestion: put the Raptors right behind a reduced number of Vipers. Vipers attract SU-35s like a lure; SU-35s bite; Raptors reel them in before they know they’re there.
"...sacrifice F16s..." . I guess you forgot that the USAF has a sacrifice platform called MALD. Or in the case of DCS TALD. Mix in some AGM-88 closely followed by the fighter sweep and they can ignore the SA-400. I tried a similar scenario and the SA-400 ignored everything till the MALDs were dead.
LRASM can differentiate sunk targets for live targets, I believe they have on board computers that can tell by sight (based on image in memory) and on IR, is a ship on fire they move on to another ship in their target list that is not on fire. I believe the latest model Harpoons can too, along with the latest US, UK, French, Russian and Chinese anti-ship missiles. But the system has its limitations and can be effected by enough jamming, like most missiles.
Some suggestions for improvements: 1) Delete the F-16s from the attack. It was a good idea, but all it seemed to achieve was making the Russians scramble sooner. The F-35, even with external stores, has a much smaller RCS than an F-16. They would have been detected much later and caused the Russians to scramble later. 2) Send the F-22s in well ahead of the anti-ship force. In full stealth mode, they could easily penetrate to within AIM-120D range of the Russian bases without being detected. Then when the Russian fighters scramble, the F-22s can pick them off as they are taking off. 3) The B-21 is not in service yet, but the B-2 is, and it can carry LRASMs. It's not as stealthy as an F-22 or an F-35 in full stealth mode, but it's definitely stealthy enough to get to LRASM range without being picked up on radar. You'd also need fewer planes, since each B-2 can carry a lot more LRASMs than an F-35. 4) Would it be possible to stagger the waves of LRASMs more, so the ships have time to sink before the next wave comes in? You might need to use fewer missiles that way to get around the deconfliction problems.
The content which really hooked me to this channel was the star wars stuff. I thought it was so great to see Earth factions taking on the Galactic Empire.
A couple things are missing from this namely that given the presence of sam batteries decoy and jamming drone swarms would be deployed first followed by the f-16s (potentially at a much lower altitude to try and minimize their exposure over the horizon). B-(5)2s or rapid dragon equipped cargo planes would also likely participate in this attack. The resources brought to bear are not commensurate with the exercise.
did you see the infographics show video on this? It was "what if Russia launched nukes in Ukraine" and the US response. They had stealth fighters and B52's and the B52's launched decoys causing the Russian naval ships to expend all their defensive missiles against the decoys and then the real cruise missiles fired from B52's utterly annihilate the entire fleet.
With the SU-35s being so close to the F-35's as they were launching, would those missiles be detectable by onboard radar and would the Russian integrated system be able to use that to track them or prepare in some other way (moving AWACS over) so defences could be more effective?
Let's be honest here, it would be very easy for the next wave to be B1 Lancers or B52s (yes, I know the LRASM isn't currently operational on the BUFF, but I'm sure they could correct that in no time.) absolutely stacked with LRASM to finish off the fleet. Also, planners would have known about the SAMs and had assets doing more to suppress the enemy air defense. Either way, good show.
I think one thing was missing if you were basing this on current events. The Ukrainians should have had at least one S300 battery around Odessa to help cover the F-16s and F-35s. It may have made the difference in efficiency overall. Other than that, a really interesting setup and execution.
The Ukrainians used 2 cheap Neptune missiles to take out the Moskva. Recently retrofitted with Russia's best radars and AA missile systems. Fully on alert...it was incapable of taking out the 2 missiles.
I find this an interesting thought experiment on how much more potent a threat russia would be at sea if they were better at actually having a navy. The readiness of the fleet and its relavent combat ability (including detection ability for incoming attack) is highly enhanced in this scenario if the reported condition (from a Russian readiness report mind you!) of the Black Sea Fleet flagship was any indication before she was sunk. This assumes maximum readiness and maintenance that the Russian navy has shown a quite frankly criminal lack of.
@@wilsonspicher6690 Okay, except that is a dockyard incident, and incidents happen. I'm speaking of the ships themselves and their crews. The Russian navy have shown in numerous instances, both in the current conflict and when they shadowed American ships that patrolled the Black sea before the current hostilities that they have no where near the combat readiness of the standing American Navy. I never said it was only a Russian issue, only that the Russian readiness of its fleet is in severe doubt if they allowed the flagship of the fleet to end up in such a state of disrepair that he couldn't have his radar on without jamming their own radio system, only had one of his six ciws systems operational, and had numerous water tight doors forced open. That is all information that came from a Russian readiness report bare weeks( i don't exactly remember the time frame but I do believe it was at most two weeks) before she sank. Im sorry, if your flagship is in such a state, I doubt any other ship she is supposed to command is in any better. Its also funny you mention carriers, because the only Russian one has proved once more that it is a truly cursed ship, as the drydock SANK around the thing and put a massive hole in its flight deck with a falling crane, once more forcing it into drydock once they FIND one they can actually put him in. All I commented on was COMBAT READINESS, which maintenance is a part of. Dockyard incidents are not always indicative of overall readiness of a nations fleet. Weather the weapons and systems of a ship in that navy ACTUALLY ARE WORKING is, and Russian documentation on his readiness paints a very poor picture for the Moskva before he sank.
How would the new AGM88Gs be used in a scenario like this? I would think shortly before LRASMs are launched. The AGM88G is reported to have double the range of previous variants and capable of reaching Mach4. Wikipedia article also indicated F35A/C can carry them internally. Could they get close enough to launch?
I love it, when a Joe average is part of success. There are a couple of heros out there and they are very important, but the numerous games of throws that we have come to enjoy so much watching this channel show, that no matter how hard the hero carries, if his team is hell bent on clutching defeat from the jaws of victory, there are no shoulders wide and no back strong enough to perform the carrying of beyond epic proportions needed in those cases. I tip my hat to a Dutchman and fellow army-man and I envy him for having been able to drive around in our car-nations heaviest four passenger turbo-diesel sedan. 😉
They dont have patriots yet but if the us was doing this ukraine would be moving s300 and other anti air in to screen for the us as well as providing screen with fighters to buy the stealth more time.
Yo Cap lol its like I keep saying F-22 Raptor's first then F-15EX's! Lol or B-1R's or my favorite both! Instead of just F-35's hb less maybe half The F-35's and One B-2 and or B-21 Raider!👍
For the scenario you created I personally think sending in the F22's first with a wave of F35's following from two separate vectors to soften up the air defenses would have been more efficient. Then use F15's as bomb trucks coming in behind another flight of F35's.
It felt like you were on the verge of having a panic attack but with joy throughout the video, you seemed to get way to excited and forgot what you were saying :D
Have a B1 come in to drop a few more AGM-158C LRASM missiles to clear out the rest of the defiance missiles and mop up with GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb's?
As of right now 153 can’t go look around due to s3-400 on crimea coast. Some drones out of Middle East have gone by. Also a couple subs in Black Sea as well. You can’t deal with that I believe.
Cap to answer your question about deconfliction, even in the 90s antiship missles would divvy themselves up on ships based on size, more missles, the bigger the ship is. I highly reccomend you give Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy a read. Its a fictional conflict between the ussr and Nato right before the collapse of the soviet union, and he describes the tech and tactics of both sides in such detail that he was almost brought up on charges of treason because of it.
Recap of the suggestions: Send in Raptors well ahead of the Vipers. Have some Vipers do SEAD with HARMS to reduce the threat. Mix in Eagle missile trucks on the backline for added defense. Send in a few decoy deployment aircraft. My suggestion with all of that is save the F-35s for A2A or SEAD and bring in a squadron of B2/B21 (depending on if were talking now or near future) with LRASMs. If there was ever a mission these were designed for, THIS is it.
I may have missed it but why didn't you have at least some of the ships in port like you've done for other fleet attacks? I think it was the at on the US fleet at San Diego where you had 90% of the fleet in port and basically powered down. That makes a huge difference when it comes to defense.
Great work Grim Reapers. I hear the EA=18 Growlers can do excellent jamming and I was wondering if these could be included in carrier air assaults. Also in carrier group air attacks, could the B-21 augment the assault?
So much of the Growler is still classified that it would be very hard to simulate in DCS. Most modern EWar in general is difficult to find enough information on to model in sim.
The lack of a SEAD strike at the head of this made the S-400s more of a problem than they should have been able to be. SEAD strike with fighter cover followed by a fighter sweep ahead of the bombers, followed by the bombers, at which point B-1s (or even B-52s, at that point) with a fighter escort should be able to lock this up, LRASM deconfliction issues notwithstanding. Speaking of, I do wonder if LRASM would have fewer problems with going after the same target if A) they're fired from two or three different angles instead of one (basically, hit the front and sides instead of just the front, and yes, I know it doesn't matter from the standpoint of overwhelming the target's defenses) and B) if there was more of a delay between LRASM volleys to allow the ships that have been hit time to sink so they don't show up as valid targets for the subsequent missile waves.
I wo der why you planned an f16 group in, that anounces your presence but not give em harms so they can at least toss stuff towards the sams. With the f22 right beside as a welcome to interceptors.
Excellent scenario! Just wonder if the fighter screen arrived closer to the time that the F35's were in range. The fighters were so early that they were almost completely wiped out before the F35's reached their launch point
My problem with this is if the US was sending a strike package against the Russians like this, they would have had a full squadron of F22's going in to engage enemy aircraft, maybe two. They would not have sent 4th generation fighters until after those SAMs got taken out or ran out of ammo. On a separate thing, are you planning on putting in the whole 'US dropping 45 LRASSM's out of the back of a C17 in less than a minute' thing we just heard about in the news?
I feel like with the fact LRASM can communicate with each other and with other data links for both finding tagets and avoiding area denial webs that the could possibly have away of communicate a confirmed hit. But thats just feels and not based on anything tangible just a logical leap.
Problem is IRL there is no health bar, so just scoring a hit on a target doesn't mean the boat will sink. And when ships do sink it takes a very long time. There's no way for them to deconflict because irl there's no way to know which ship is going in and which needs to be hit again unless you're the one on the ship.
@Ian Pederson you are 100% correct but I imagine most hits from an LRASM would at least put any ship basically out of the fight if we are playing the number game. And with that in mind they are "smart" enough to pick their flight paths and change priorities based on stored target lists in their databases on top of their networking capabilities. surely they have some ability to deconflict or you would never swarm-fire them like this it would be super inefficient right?
I think given all recent events, it is much stronger on paper than real life. Given that 1 flagship was crippled by unguided missiles and 3 more sunk at dock by less than 3 anti ship missiles. 4 ships lost to a military with no navy is ...not great.
Hornets, or better yet - Superhornets could make a big difference here. F-18C can carry 6 TALDs with 3 bags, or 12 if you have enough range with just one. For F-18E it's 10 and 16 respectively. Have the F-22 score the opening stealthy kills as suggested at the end of the video, then a few bugs release the decoys and watch the russians expend their fancy missiles. The F-16s then have a much fairer fight ahead of them. With the decoys deployed, the Hornets can turn south and lob a couple AMRAAMs each towards any Su-35 coming towards the strike pakage, forcing them to evade and buying time for the F-35s to release their payload.
1. Unload a few B-2's from 1000km away with dozens of long range cruise missiles against Russian AA sites. 2. Fly in a few dozen F-22's to wipe the skies. 3. Send in F-35's low and fast with LSRAMS. 4. F-15 missile trucks to clear the response. 5. Carpet bomb Russian naval bases in the Black Sea with B-52's Problem solved.
Very very nice video! BUT! There is no way USAF going to send F-16Cs and their pilots to death, but instead they will fire first a lot of decoys. Decoys will suck up missiles either from the S-400 or from the SU-35s. So next time, do 12x F-16C with only decoys(When they fired, RTB) and then the other 12x F-16C air-to-air config(They will attack after the decoys had been fired). You will see it will be so much different and better. More survivors basically. For the anti shippers it was fine.
Id like to state the extreme strain that rearming all the SAMs would put on Russian logistics and potential the stockpile of new gen missles they have access too. Imagine if this strike was followed up with older generation anti ship missiles it would devastate the remaining fleet
I pretty sure those missiles can be individually programmed to hit a radar designation and I think they can also be reprogrammed in air via the plane, ship or AWACS. I also think they way the entire world is using drones the US will incorporate even more drones. They used drones in both Iraq wars to great effect and the next generation stealth fighter will probably have drone capabilities. Drones are the way in which we will fight the next big military conflict especially after watching the Ukrainians are using them to great effect and they are using a lot of civilian drones.
I am typing this before the video is over but I just gotta say its very hard to believe that given Russian performance thus far in this war I find it super hard if not impossible to believe theyd actually perform this well in a situation like this. The real issue is that the have obviously lied about the performance of the hardware they posses but clearly when you guys code these missions and the stats of their weapons, aircraft, ships, ect. those numbers that theyve inflated in order to appear as more of a threat make things play out much differently than in my humble opinion theyd actually perform. Even still this was another great video from the Reapers
I really Want to see the san diego project done again but with closer to real assets as you can simply see on Google maps if you guys need better info I can help you find closer to real numbers
make note...the f35's stealth capability is supposed to allow for ability to launch the anti ship missiles. if the f35's stealth capabilities with external munitions is inaccurate their ability to get those anti ship missiles off will be reduced. is the f35 RCS with external munitions accurate? if not less anti ship missiles would be launched.
33:47 panic breathing is gold. Same way i felt watching this. BTW if the Ukraine "special operation" has shown anything, it's that Russia has greatly exaggerated their capabilities with even their s400.
"Can - to a degree - see stealth aircraft" - all modern ship born RADAR will "see" stealth aircraft to maximum range. The only issue is the RCS will be smaller, so it depends on how sophisticated teh back end systems are when it comes to tracking and engaging them. Smaller RCS is meaningless when you can still see it! When a small RCS meant your RADAR signature was lost in background clutter, it was a game changer - we can now declutter RADAR returns and track tiny, tiny returns that would have been lost in the noise in real time. Let me give you an example, a British Type 45 destroyer will “see” an F-35 perfectly well at the maximum possible range - that's about 225 miles if the plane is at 30,000 ft or 300 miles at 60,000 feet (good luck getting an F-35 up there!) - limits dictated by the curvature of the earth and the elevation of the RADAR installation. So whether you are stealth or not is irrelevant - you will be seen and tracked. Great, so you have the RCS of a bird, but you cannot hide amongst the birds, why not? Because the fact you're doing 500 knots kind of gives the game away - the system knows you are not a 500 knot bird! It will pick you out and track you as a possible cruise missile or stealth plane discarding all the other slow bird-sized returns. This is the power of real-time digital signal processing, you can amplify RADAR returns 1000 fold until they are wall of noise and then sift through it looking for constants in real time - all modern RADAR back-end systems can do this to one degree or other - same for infrared returns which is how PIRATE on Typhoon has doubled in detection range in the last ten years without touching the sensors.
Every single video I watch is "Oh, this system of the US isn't working properly, and this isn't working properly, and we can't simulate this and this and this."
Noticed all the F16s just seemed to throw out their entire missile stock at the first 3-4 migs, each mig seemed to have 15+ amraams aimed at it. If the F16s had used thier missiles better they might have actually done something in the fight rather than just overkilling the lead formation of migs then dying fast.
Hey Grim, loving the series. Just wondering why you only have players on the American side? I think it would make the fights alot more engaging if both sides had players, so it wouldnt just be a battle of AI and the players doing player things. I just think it would make it alot fair, and also the fights would be abit tactically smarter.
Recently retrofitted with Russia's best technology...radar and anti-missile defenses The Moskva was expected to serve until 2040. The pride of Russia's Black Sea Fleet. In 2022, two $5 million dollar Ukrainian Neptune missiles sunk the pride of Russia's Black Sea fleet. The Moskva. Armed with 64 S-300F AA missiles, along with Russia's latest high powered radar systems and close range AA missile systems and AK-130/Ak-630 CIWS close range gun systems. Taken out with 2 missiles even being retrofitted with their best weapons and radar systems. Me thinks this attack scenario is a bit lacking in reality.
You need to start off with a huge disclaimer before every Russian battles does anyone honestly think there's any comparison Russia can't even handle Ukraine who only gets handfuls of old western military equipment
Wouldn't at least some of the stealth aircraft go in first to be ready to hit the aircraft that go after the non stealth aircraft. When the Russians detect the f16s and head to intercept they would find themselves ambushed by planes they didn't know were there. Instead of 16s use 15s as missile trucks at high altitude and mach 2 screened by f22s. don't let the su35s fire all their missiles. The 15s can still suck up the same after the enemy fighters are shot down.
