Thank you for sharing. It is easy to brag about success. It takes courage to show the failures. I do not see this as a failure but more as an opportunity to sharpen abilities.
Mein tiefsten Respekt! Die technik mit dem hydraulischen heber kannte ich noch nicht. Sehr interessant und spannend zu gleich. Das sich das stammende so hochschiebt ist echt unfassbar. Allzeit gut holz und bleiben Sie gesund.
This is why you have a clear escape route - even when you think you’re doing everything right the tree can fool you. Great video, glad your ok, but next time to hell with the jack, run!
Thanks for sharing this clip! We all learn from our mistakes. As a fellow tree guy, perhaps I can offer my 2 cents. When I fell a tree slightly off-axis to it's lean, I like to put all my wedges on the low side of the back cut. It helps keep the tree on course. I don't think that would've helped much in this particular scenario, but it's food for thought. That tree was pretty loaded, and likely would have barber-chaired regardless of what you did. Glad you were not hurt! Stay safe out there. Cheers!
if you are in this business long enough you'll see some strange things happen... watching these types of videos helps us all to understand what can go wrong... better to see it on video than have it happen to you first.. se the below vid on barberchair if you like more understanding of that phenomenon... thanks for sharing ps seems like it would have been better to leave the jack and grab the saw .
True i have been doing this the last couple of days just leave the wedges and Jack and grab the chain saw since their pretty much solid stuff and the saws pretty expensive to fix it buy new again
I'm nit in that Business, but with all that stuff arround the feet... It's impossinle to work, and steel in the same Cut like the chain of the saw..... Bayerische Staatsforsten have really well Tutorials. And, hopefully next year i'll do a chainsaw lizence. Ofcause, everytime something can fail, but in this Video I saw many failures.
Vielen dank!!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing this video. It was also delightful to hear your explanation in German which I speak, although know zero lingo for this job. Pass auf dich auf.
Thank you for making this misstake public. By doing so we can learn from you instead of making them ourself. We all make misstakes and learn from them, but we often have a hard time learning from a misstake that we havn't seen or relate to. This however makes that possible. People cutting trees need to be more humble and POST also the situations were stuff doesn't go as planed so we can learn from all our combined misstakes instead of just our own. That makes us far better faster with a lot less risk involved.
I've seen this jack method used on various videos but honestly what is the advantage? Can anyone tell me? I could understand if the space was limited or when near buildings but not in the forest.
@@harryscrotum007 , I have dropped my share of trees living in Pa. And N ga in my later years. And yes I agree with clearing your work area and path of escape just for this exact type of incident.
We are not all armchair wannabes, even if they are, good work practice is good if your doing the work or not. I can say I have seen my share of twisted ankles when work area is that cluttered to boot.
I've seen trees being cut using a bottle jack in the past. The more times I see it, the less I like it. For a reasonably upright straight tree like these, simple is best, Wedge and cut. Remember, once the tree starts to fall, you have absolutely no control over what happens to it then. With a decent sized wedge and back cut, you can at least direct it in the general direction you want it to fall. The bottle jack, in theory should provide upward pressure, push the tree towards the wedge cut out of it, and should topple. The reality though, is if the wedge is a little bit off or your backcut is a bit uneven, the tree may well spin is a totally different direction on its way down. I do feel the wedge and backcut is a much safer option, but of course, no method is totally safe. Either way, and I'm sure you do this: have your retreat path planned in case the tree does something unexpected. And forget about the saw and jack if it does: I've never yet seen a saw or a bottle jack being mourned, but plenty of unfortunate folks who have been killed in their line of work.
@@fivestring65ify swinging a tree is risky at best. If you feel like you need to go down that road, take out the heaviest branches as best you can before tackling the main trunk
Wedging might be the best way, but with a jack you can have the tree on the ground in minutes and with no sweating involved whereas with a wedge, you can pound away for 20+ minutes for a single tree and nearly die of exhaustion. And if you have to do that for 8+ hours a day several times a day, i think i'd rather take the jack
Viel Glück auch weiterhin. Das ist eine sehr gefährliche Arbeit. Manchmal absolut unberechenbar. Man kann nur versuchen das Risiko durch das Einschalten des Verstandes möglichst gering zu halten. Weiterhin gut Holz!
I have a question...is the jack method used more for a specific reason? Here in north america all I ever see is standard hinge cut - back cut, or hinge cut, bore cut, trigger. I only ever see fellers jack a tree over if it has some super crazy stuff going on with it.
I thought, as he said, the tree was growing on a slope, leaning back and left, and pretty curved close to the root where the strain is, so it did have some crazy stuff going on. He explains in the end, he knew this one was gonna be tricky, it was just a surprise the right side just ripped off like that.
I have watched your videos before. I don't want to give anyone a hard time but you need to really think about what you are doing and learn from your mistakes before you get yourself killed. Cut that brash from around your feet, clear your exit, cut some buttress off of that tree, if your are not cutting a Humbolt face cut that do the top cut first (it's a lot easier to get a hinge and not a dutchman), bore through the centre of the tree creating a clean piece of hingewood and also making a trigger mechanism, then cut the back of the tree above the level of the face cut. There are more points but these are some of the major things I picked up on, good luck and stay safe.
I am not a professional, but I love forestry work as a hobby, and am enthusiastic about the techniques involved etc. What you say is correct, BUT: As I understand "Accord Arbeit" / getting paid by the amount of wood you cut rather than hourly rate is legal in Austria in Forestry Industry. (Forbidden in areas e.g. as working with aircraft). Meaning, the workers will cut many corners, just to bring down as much trees as possible. That is, why we do not see safety cutting techniques etc. as you described. Humbolt face is not common in Germany and Austria, I do not know why, as it will push the tree away from the stump...But triple thumps up for sharing the fails.
Tom Harding - Agree with all the above, plus I noticed when the gob was being cut with the top side of the bar, the operator had one leg directly behind the bar. In the event of kick back, there was a high risk of injury. Also, leaving stumps higher than necessary can be a real nuisance to a winch operator (logs stuck behind stumps), and mean wasted timber.
Anyone who does things like you describe never holds a job in the industry very long. Logging companies need someone who can produce and all the techniques you just said take way to long. I'm been in the tree care industry for over 6 years, and cut timber for 1 year. Not only is it slow but you are guessing on your hinge. Its also dangerous because if you take too much when you cut your back strap it could break off. Just cut through the back unless it's a heavy leaner like the old school books say. When the tree starts to go you know you've cut enough which takes out all the guesswork and saves time. More timber on the ground more money
THOMAS APPLEBY There’s no unnecessary waste of timber: the tree is on a steep slope, hence one side of the tree cannot be cut all the way to the ground. I know from experience that tree felling on a slope is 300+% tougher and extra risky. The physical challenge increases risk of errors. Great choice between life of lumberjack and Husqvarna!
THOMAS APPLEBY There’s no unnecessary waste of timber: the tree is on a steep slope, hence one side of the tree cannot be cut all the way to the ground. I know from experience that tree felling on a slope is 300+% tougher and extra risky. The physical challenge increases risk of errors. Great choice between life of lumberjack and Husqvarna!
Ever since a logger friend of mine was killed by a tree last year up here in NW Wisconsin I’ve been a little more leary about felling big trees. What did he say at the end of the video?
Daumen hoch und Abo. Die Wagenheber Methode ist neu für mich. Auf jeden Fall interessant zu sehen. Bei uns wurde die Motorsäge nie abgestellt, sondern blieb beim Entfernen vom Baum immer am Mann, da etwas andere Technik und Vorgehensweise. Dafür durch andere Unachtsamkeit auch schon mal eine Säge oder das Schwert beschädigt. No People is perfect. Das wichtigste ist der Mensch, pass auf Dich auf.
I cut large trees in Oregon and rarely use the jack method unless the tree has too much rot to fell with the wedges, the jack is more of a secondary plan in case the wedges don't work as the wood is too spongy.
Thanks for sharing your timber felling with us its cool to see how you men in Austria cut timber you guys do it with a lot shorter bars than we do out here on the west cost of America we like at lest a 32in i like it because you dont have to cut around two side's. And we put a under cut to make our face. So that it flat at the butt so its less wast when gets to the mill any wsy your 20inbar. seems to work out well for you i like to watch how it done in other countries thanks for your videos and be safe and god bless ✌
I'm glad you got out of the way and was safe. I've ran my saw with my truck before and my massey Ferguson 135 it was the same saw. Your saw should be ok.
Ein Lob für dieses Video wo auch mal gezeigt wird, dass man auch mal Fehler machen kann. Es zeigt aber auch wie wichtig ein sicheres sauberes stolperfreies Umfeld ist zum schnellen abhauen. Übrigens Ihr Stihlfetischisten, auch mit einer Stihl hätte das passieren können.
Classic Barberchair. As I'm telling my son now. Always have your escape route planned in your head. Clear path, no sticks,roots anything. Practice the escape in your mind the whole time. Shout out to Buckin Billy Ray. Go Buckinstock USA
@@garyeppich2429 ... I know what I know from Buckin Billy Ray. Here goes. A Barberchair is an incomplete cut, that falls over before you planned a precise cut. Hence the appearance of a chair with a high back. If you get the hell out of Dodge. You could sit on your mistake. And get a haircut. Let me know how I did. BBR.
@@garyeppich2429 .... I know the feeling. But NEVER forget, old school masters will tell you. "The small ones do as much damage, if not more than a full size tree. I hear it all the time. Walk through in your head, before hand. Give yourself options. Especially pinch point. Just like steel, it's not forgiving. Be safe Brother. Take your whistle, and a friend when ever possible
Hallo. Super Videos hast du. Mache die gleiche Arbeit wie du und das was dir jetzt passiert ist, ist uns auch schon passiert. So schade es auch um die Säge ist, die kann man ersetzen dich aber nicht.Also Unfall freies arbeiten und schöne Grüße aus Stockenboi.
Man sieht trotzdem das du Profi bist ich vermute ein Laie hätte versucht die Säge zu retten. weiterhin Unfallfreies Arbeiten und schönes Wochenende Gruß aus Oberfranken
I was think the same. When you put your feet between branches 3-5" around the tree. If the tree fall your way, so you have to dodge the tree, so your foot not coming out straight up but sideways left or right and not looking down so It's easy to get your shoe lock or enough to trip you. You might be ok but your legs stay there.
Respectfully, you're fired. For absolutely no benefit you are making silly cuts which require way too much time and not to mention keep you in the dynamic danger zone for far too long... safety first and time is money, and you still end up with a banged up saw= downtime! Bent bar, kinked chain. So why not a industry standard notch and backcut, and don't forget minimal lateral cuts to minimize barber chair fracture blowouts.
Looks to me like the stem "chaired" a couple feet. Likely a couple "Coos Bay" cuts laterally into the backcut would've helped a lot. Anyhow, I'd certainly move the saw well out of the way before the final jacking, if it was advisable to jack it rather than just wedge.
Lass Dich von denen die ja eh nichts tun, außer alles besser wissen, nicht beirren. Top gearbeitet, das Video gut und auch noch Deine super Analyse. Und wer viel im Holz arbeitet weis dass eben nicht immer alles kalkulierbar ist, Du warst ruhig und sicher - das zählt !!!!!
Serwus...Schau dir schon länger zu...echt super Videos 👍👍👍 Aber bevor ich eine 576 mitziag in de Wälder....nimm ich lieber de 562....(weil a Schneid hast ja sowieso überall drauf/finde jetzt keinen großen Unterschied) Schönen Gruß ausn bayrischn Woid und gut Holz weiterhin
meiner meinung nach eines der besten vids. von dir. so wird man daran erinnert mit respekt an den baum zu gehen. ich habe auch einige bäume gefällt bin aber kein profi. deshalb danke für dieses vid.
This happens to all lumberjacks. The one that went astray. No biggy, no one was hurt. Thanks for showing us what can happen while cutting huge trees. Anyone thinking of cutting a tree down should watch this. peace
Glad you show the fails. Hope you learned. First cut should always be the top scarf cut then the bottom scarf cut so you don't over cut. This is the major danger of a high felling cut. I think it is better to learn a good plunge cut so that you can slow down and look at the cut before bringing it home instead of the jack. But the scariest is the fact that you did not clean up branches to work safely. You are one lucky dude on borrowed time.!
Why bad comments? Sometimes simple and routine things can go wrong badly. Someone said "Face cut, back cut, wedge..." Um... Yes in ideal conditions... But if you are in dense forest where tree leans on a tree even if you are professional it can happen that tree fells opposite face cut direction, kickback, heavy branch felling, etc. Putting wedge sometimes is almost impossible if the tree is smaller diameter. So thank you very much for this video Sir.
Hallo Schönen Dank das wir aus deinen Fehlern lernen dürfen. Schade um die Säge aber ich hab vor Jahren auch vor einer Entscheidung gestanden Säge retten und Gesundheit riskieren oder hoffen das Säge nicht beschädigt wird. Bei mir war es eine dicke Buche mit ganz leicht Vorhänger innen dann leicht faul . Beim Fällschnitt riss im Stamm ein Stück vom Wurzelanlauf aus und klemmte mir beim fallen die Schiene (Säge Stihl 066 73 Schiene ) ein beim auftreffen des Baumes auf den Boden löste sich die Säge und blieb direkt unter dem hochschwingendem Stamm liegen der dann die 066 dem Erdboden gleich gemacht hat. Nach 2 Tagen zog der Holzrücker den Stamm bei Seite und ich kam an meine überbleibsel meiner Säge ich buddelt sie aus und nahm sie mit Heim. Wegschmeißen oder Andenken an den Unfall? Ich entschloss mich die Säge zu reinigen und dann kam die überraschende Wende !!!!!!! Schiene Kette runter , Plastik Deckel Zylinder ab, und Säge läuft welch Wunder. Handschutz ,Griffrohr , Plastik Deckel Zylinder, Auspuff ,Schiene, Kette neu Und die Säge läuft heute noch. Grüsse aus Nordhessen Nähe Kassel
I've never seen the jack used before and know that most folks in North America don't use it. That said, I'd like to ask the pros out there if they think in the case of a bad leaner if a jack might be useful. I know wedges are usually the ticket, but I've watched a lot of guys get very nervous on bad leaners if they are not using some kind of back-up. What do you people think? Could the jack be valuable for leaners or not really a difference-maker?
schön das du wirklich alles zeigst auch wenn es mal schief gehtaber es wäre evtl Vorteilhaft die Sicherheitsfälltechnik zu verwenden da hier viele Hobby-Forstwirte zuschauen die dann evtl es nicht so hinbekommen wie du und dann den Baum unkontrolliert fällen
Wow, das war Live und Live ist ohne Garantie. Aber du hast richtig entschieden, die meisten sollten sich das bei sowas überlegen. Denn Maschinen sind ersetzbar, ein Mensch nie. War der erste Baum auch schon angefault? Für mich sah es so aus, als wenn der Mittelstrahl etwas dunkel war. Du hast es aber richtig gesagt, das man sowas meistens nie nach dem Lehrbuch machen kann. Solchen Sachen bringen einen die Erfahrung, aber selbst bei Fehler. Aus Fehlern lernt man. Danke schön, dir weiterhin eine Unfallfreie Arbeitszeit. Gut Holz
Luzerner Landwirt bei der Fällung muss eine sogenannte Bruchleiste stehen gelassen werden, die 1/10 des Stammdurchmessers beträgt und den Baum während des fallens an den Holzfasern hält und somit einen kontrollierten Fall ermöglicht. Wird diese Bruchleiste durchtrennt, nennt man das ,,tot schneiden‘‘, der Baum kann dann also unkontrolliert in alle Richtungen fallen bzw. ausschlagen.
Respekt ,da traut sich einer Mal etwas zu Posten das schief geht . Natürlich braucht der, der den Schaden hat nicht auf den Spot warten. Leider kenn ich auch sehr viele von der Spezies perfekt. Neben bei sind sie noch Geschieden usw. also doch nicht so perfekt. Trotzdem noch Mal Hut ab für deine Ehrlichkeit auch Fehler zu geben zu können . Mfg Gerhard
the jack in the tree causes all sorts of uneven forces and uplift...here the jack rotated to the right creates uplift and the hinge fails in tension before doing its job in bending. why dont you tighten the jack and finish it with wedges? this keeps the lifting force at the outer most point as an over turning moment or maybe a steel offset you insert in the notch so you can jack outside the tree diameter keeping an over turning moment not a lifting force. also look at your face cut you need to give more clearance for the tree to fall, this face cut was too shallow the tree would of rotated left as it came down.
I realized I had risen a couple inches off my chair throughout the video. There was more suspense towards the end than most TV shows. Totally agree with joethedroneguy with the resulting comedy (almost tragedy) of errors and I thought for sure that tree was coming back much further. I'm sure their insurance company wasn't too happy with the footage.
It doesn't look as though there is any hinge wood on the left hand side of the tree. It also looks as though there is not that much hinge wood at all. I know that anyone can make a mistake, that was a close one though.
Sledge and a wedge for me to much shit can go wrong when using a jack that was his own fault though hard to tell by looking at the video but looks to me like he didn't come through the tree enough on that left side
Glad you were unhurt. Remember the people commenting with hate, hate themselves most. They are not brave enough to do what you did. Thank you for sharing this with us so we can be better prepared for the surprises life throws at us.
Impossible to ever think that thin strip stayed straight and pivioted entire tree's weight all that time. Now I see why in other videos they leave a very narrow width for "hinge joint". But that "sliver" was what 1 inch (25mm) thick and 10 inches (25cm) wide at largest points. That's nothing. Glad you didn't get hurt by the recoil. Take Care!
i get using a jack and that method but it seems like it just adds complexity to the equation. ive been cutting trees for 15+ years and never had a tree completely go a different direction than my pie cut maybe off a couple of degrees but not just sideways. if it was me id have a 48" bar and forget the jack. also always have a planned escape route because you really never know if that trunk is going to bounce and move even when felled in the proper direction.
I love all the "Professionals" whom have never made a mistake! SMDH! Things can and will happen to the best! When you think you know it all is the time you will be buried in the same wood you cut down. PEACE!
@@fivestring65ify all the saw bucking and jumping around minor kickback just to put in a jack he didnt need. Im thinking hes going to hospital if he dosnt learn real quick.
