That was amazing Mike, thanks for confirming our assumptions on this matter. I have found the same results even with a 4s hyrbrid setup on my proton. I really look forward to the second video to see some clearer results. You're a legend!
The objective approach is appreciated. I don't have the skill to actually test this for racing but give 6" or 5.5" props in the rear a shot with 5" in the fron. May sound crazy at first but the strategy is the same. SX, wide rear, Z or step geometries all attempt to improve the effectiveness of the rear props. The biggest obvious issue will be the annoyances to roll performance....which the code today may account for. The other thing is weight distribution on the quad however that's a more so based on comfort with the setup.
don't you think putting bigger props in the rear would make the quad react slower? it's much hard for a motor to spin a 6" vs 5" prop. i'll be doing some testing this week and report in part 2 of this video
@@FlightClubFPV yes and no. Maybe the 5" in the front will pull up the slack enough to make it not all that noticeable. I would guess that in long sweeping turns, the 6" in the rear should feel really good and the quad should feel more like a snowboard tracking in a turn. However the roll response may be too weird in general to consider actually using full time.
some of my tightest flying was a quad with 7'' arms and 7'' props out back with 1900kv and 5'arms and 5'' props out front with 2450kv. the authority was a dream i called it the butterfly configuration
I actually have the mck xbee and the SX vs HX the SX is way more responsive and faster in a Stra8 line and corners which you can definitely see the difference. To me the HX feels like you need more higher rates.
....when running different props why still run identical motors? in nature you see different setups for speed and for agility. when racing tight courses a rabbit setup seems optimal in my test. I also tested with angeling(?) the motors inward up front and outward at the back to maximize grib. This strain of thought brings different motor sizes on the same quad into play since their roles are now more clearly defined.in freestyle, flying styles like inZane fpv's, should benefit a lot, but that dude's skills need no help what so ever, so these thoughts are for the rest of us :-)
Like I've been telling people for a year now (yup) - it's definitely an improvement, but it's a tiny one and only present in a few moves. Feels a touch more planted in negative AoA moves, by that I mean the back end is a tiny bit more stable so you can focus on pinning it out of Split-S, Powerloop, and Hairpins. It's one of those 2% improvements that add up, and it still comes with a ~10g weight penalty overall, but I feel it's worth it. Good to see Mike feels the same with, with the Neutron-R basically supporting that setup out of the box.
8:55 Syringe appears fast flash. Bottom right on screen. I enjoyed learning about the different arm sizes used on a quad. Sounds intriguing. Makes sense about the propwash issue. Thank you for the demo and looking forward to seeing the next video update.
Great video, I have the Proton Skeleton with fin and love it. Was just talking last weekend at the track about doing this, interesting to see you doing this with no one better to test it with! Vanover is crazy fast! Syringe is at 8:55 bottom right corner.
As I am getting into the racing field I love watching all your videos! captainvanover can really make a drone scream hope one day to be almost as good. I really couldn't find the syringe but loved the video You really rock it .
Weird, I was actually testing this today! I've got a set of 5" X, 5" SX, and 6" X and for the Proton and I've been trying them out. Favourite so far is 6" true-X with 5" props. Quad feels super stable and under control. The 5SX /6X hybrid I didn't like very much, felt like... understeer? I was having a hard time getting my nose into the corner. I actually preferred the 5SX/5X hybrid, it's more subtle but it has a nice feel to it, like it's carving a little more.
Did you ever do anymore testing on this Hybrid X configuration? What was the final conclusion and configuration? Better, worse, or same as stretch-x? Reason I'm asking is due to HGLRC Arrow 3inch hybrid now. Did you start a trend? 😁
8:55.00 I am trying 2206/2450kv BrotherHobby R4 in front and 2207/2550kv Emax LS on the rear with same kind of props. I havn't try to really compare it to normal all same motors though, lazy to swap the rear motors. I did this coz I want to relieve the rear motor work load. Notice that rear motors are hotter than front motors every flight. However, the quad I build with differ motor results in all 4 motors hotter than I used to. But it has higher ESC output(old quad use 25A and 20A ESC, new differ motors quad use 40A ESC). So I am doubting is the all motors getting hotter is due to the 40A ESC?
I've run two of the Minchan Hybrid frames (MCK and XBAir), I keep coming back to a plain old true X or a stretch though. There is a different feel on the roll axis and I also notice I tend to clip the back arms on gates a little more until I get used to it.
You can tell he’s way faster and more comfortable on the 5x5 over the 5x6... The only reason he was faster the first time was when you challenged him and he went 100% on the track.
@@FlightClubFPV yeah maybe checked with a buddy of mine who is an A&P /IA and he said they may not have a flight tower then you can...did not know that either way I wanna have a hanger house
You can call the control tower and get permission. I have done it. When I told them I would be staying under treetop level they didn't care and acted like it was a waste of time even asking them. They don't want idiots flying up high and getting in the path of planes taking off and landing.
The hybrid config does look interesting but in bf the custom motor mix will maybe cause some efficiency and thrust loss, though it may corner better as the rear props seem to have cleaner air
@@FlightClubFPV in my country you need to be 18+ to legally fly a drone over 250g(and the drone needs to have GPS), so I'll just hide my 5" at home, and that's also why in the upcoming long range footage on my channel (in about a week it'll be up) I'm using my 3" quad.
If I had to guess it would be to get the rear props into cleaner air. When I look at blackbox data on a True X the rear motors are usually working a little harder than the front. The rear motors usually have like 5%-10% more throttle applied. By extending them a little farther to the rear this gets them away from the turbulence of the front props.
@@FlightClubFPV I have tried 5" props on 6" frames before and they fly really good. My current favorite quad I own is a custom 6" stretch X frame I built with 5" props. 6" stretch X puts the front and rear motors extra far from each other.
abaut the hybrid conf. is like alex said that you have may practise and take time to learn how to take the full potential for this kind of hybrid setup but to be real i think just to change de diamitri of the quad it dont be make you faster i think its all abaut thw way you like that the quad respons and feels and how mutch potecial you can take out of your setups great job onthe Proton/neutron series i love this frames 💪