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Hydraulic Press Restoration: Retrofitting a Table Lifting Winch to the Press 

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org
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Hydraulic Press Restoration: Retrofitting a Table Lifting Winch to the Press
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@robcameron6995
@robcameron6995 Год назад
Remove the handle and fit a hex to the shaft. Then you can use your drill with a socket to operate the winch. Modify the handle to fit the hex also. Best of both worlds. You certainly have some lovely, generous viewers Keith.
@crystaldragon141
@crystaldragon141 Год назад
I was thinking along these lines as well.
@oldschool1993
@oldschool1993 Год назад
Yep- that is way too slow- your cordless drill will move it right along.
@MG-Driver
@MG-Driver Год назад
You beat me to it :)
@minigpracing3068
@minigpracing3068 Год назад
12 point socket, no mods. needed?
@honorharrington4546
@honorharrington4546 Год назад
I was thinking it would be good to have the handle easily reversible so it could be turned inward and be less likely to get broken.
@athingortwo1513
@athingortwo1513 Год назад
Minor safety concern. Flip the cable clamps. The saddle piece goes on the loaded cable. Remember the mnemonic "Never saddle a dead horse." Which means don't put the saddle on the dead cable. Love your stuff Keith. Keep going man!
@briancox2721
@briancox2721 Год назад
Exactly what I was going to comment.
@stephengile530
@stephengile530 Год назад
Same here@@briancox2721
@mechanicalTurk0
@mechanicalTurk0 Год назад
I noticed this immediately watching it too. Can't just flip them. The problem is that the saddle side grips the cable and the u bolt crushes the cable, weakening it, to hold onto it. Fine on the dead end, it's not carrying the load, but now your live end is damaged and weakened. So now the cable must be shortened a little bit to remove the damage too. In this application, how much load will the cable ever see? Hopefully not enough for this to matter. I suspect that the cable sizing is just what was available and not measured in any way. But it's one of those things you want to be in the habit of doing right every time, so the one time when it turns out it does matter you're good to go.
@mikewitte5162
@mikewitte5162 Год назад
I am glad to see you could use that second winch I had. If I had known you were going to show my pictures, I would have made Gus the shop dog sit for the photos. I had to chuckle at your comment that the table moves a little slow because that is exactly what I said the first time I used mine. That's when I added the PVC pipe to increase the diameter of mine. Don't use a drill to run it. The worm gears are not hardened, and will gall pretty quickly. I tried that once.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Год назад
Thanks for your generosity Mike, it was very kind of you to pass on a tool that you weren’t using. All of us viewers get to watch a project proceeding with your help. The whole video gives us different ideas on how to do things like this and how to improve on them as well. There are always comments on different ways to do a build like this, some good, some not as good but all are helpful. Thanks again!👍
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Год назад
Hopefully the worm gears have some 90W gear oil on them to slow down the wear.
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung Год назад
Thanks for sharing 👍
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Год назад
Great idea. Nice of your friend to donate the winch . Smooth operation for sure. Have a great day and a good Labor day weekend. 👍
@mkegadgets4380
@mkegadgets4380 Год назад
You put your cable clamps on backwards. Look up never saddle a dead horse. Nice looking project. Looking forward to next video.❤
@paulblankinship9964
@paulblankinship9964 Год назад
I was going to add the same thing you always put the saddle part of the cable clamp on the tension side so you don't cramp the individual strands of wire
@weldingman57
@weldingman57 Год назад
Rigger/ironworker here. I now have a brain aneurism from screaming at the video. “ DONT saddle a dead horse”.
@chrishill5166
@chrishill5166 Год назад
Great video Kieth. Best wishes from the UK.
@Sizukun1
@Sizukun1 Год назад
I'm so glad you have 2 shop cats making cameo appearances sometimes. Ginger looks so happy and content!
@tpobrienjr
@tpobrienjr Год назад
Ginger performs CAT scans as needed.
@mikewatson4644
@mikewatson4644 Год назад
And I think he has a dog that does Lab work sometimes
@jrmintz1
@jrmintz1 Год назад
Remarkable how generous the machinist community is with time and parts.
@bobbycresap4440
@bobbycresap4440 Год назад
Looks like it all ship shape. Another great video.
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize Месяц назад
I am sure liking this post. They all need to come with these. When are you going back into machinist mode eh ? you have been in millwright mode for a week now, LOL. It is great to have a press to repair a press eh, LOL. This is so much better than trying to get a shop crane over it to make this happen. WELL DONE KEITH ! Your back can be your new best friend eh.
@ericberseth5646
@ericberseth5646 Год назад
I enjoyed Ginger making an appearance.
@thirzapeevey2395
@thirzapeevey2395 Год назад
You don't need to work, Hoomin. Pet me. Pet me. Pet me... You and this community you built are going to change the world, my friend. I suspect you are interesting a new generation in machine work, and in just plain fixing things and making them work again.
@jessicamartin9146
@jessicamartin9146 Год назад
Keith: Machinery Handbook has a section on wire rope, and they say it is very important to put the u bolt against the dead end of the cable, and the clamp against the live end of the cable.
@alangknowles
@alangknowles Год назад
Never saddle a dead horse.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Год назад
I wondered who would be first to bring this up when I saw how Keith clamped it. Lol
@donmedford2563
@donmedford2563 Год назад
Great looking press.
@patrickcolahan7499
@patrickcolahan7499 Год назад
Nice unit. Very lucky to have so many people to support your projects. One accessory that would be great for this press is a press brake for forming metal. Thanks for sharing.
@aldenfish6073
@aldenfish6073 Год назад
Great video Keith! As far as the cable, (wire rope) goes, I tig weld the ends to prevent them from fraying out. It just melts the strands together.
@peterhobson3262
@peterhobson3262 Год назад
That's the same idea that sailors use when whipping the end of a fiber or nylon rope.
@mattomon1045
@mattomon1045 Год назад
Mr Rucker grate lift
@alandaters8547
@alandaters8547 Год назад
Kudos on another great shop enhancement. Back at the start of this project you removed 2 angle iron cross pieces and upgraded with square tubing. A simple, heavy duty wooden tray sitting on the cross pieces would protect them from damage as well as protecting the floor from really heavy pieces. Add a lip around the edge and the tray would also make it easier to retrieve small pieces.
@jacktar6877
@jacktar6877 Год назад
The saddle on the cable clamp should be on the load side of the cable and it looked like you had it in reverse. Very good videos by the way.
@stephenadams3603
@stephenadams3603 Год назад
And like most people , you put the cable clamps on the wrong way round. Never put a saddle on a dead horse. The saddle always goes on to the the cable as it comes off the winch. That was how I was instructed decades ago when I erected tower cranes.
@alasdairhamilton1574
@alasdairhamilton1574 Год назад
Keith. Please rotate the cable saddle 180deg, the saddle should be on the side. The old saying “ you don’t put a saddle on a dead horse “. Stay safe and well 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@yvesdesrosiers2396
@yvesdesrosiers2396 Год назад
Good job Keith! A suggestion for the press plates. I put some pins on the under side of the plates to stop them from sliding forward and backwards. That is a precaution to save my toes. Tat way they only slide sideways.
@migueltorres6073
@migueltorres6073 Год назад
Looking great
@timf6916
@timf6916 Год назад
Great job
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP Год назад
Very nice winch solution Keith, I like it.
@k2smd
@k2smd Год назад
Not that it matters on this light application... The cable clamps are on backwards. The mnemonic for u-clamps is "Never saddle a dead horse" The saddle is the cast part and it always goes on the "live" part of the cable as the u-bolt piece crushes the "dead" end to hold it in place. Crushing the live end is not a good idea (if youre lifting heavy loads). Thanks for the great videos!
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578
Thanks for sharing
@Bluswede
@Bluswede Год назад
That's one calm shop cat! One hit with that little dak-dak and both my girls would've torn the place apart getting off the bench! THEN I saw greasy green footy prints all over, but nope! The cat was drugged for his appearance, wasn't he?! LOL!
@johnlee8231
@johnlee8231 Год назад
Nice solution
@paulkinzer7661
@paulkinzer7661 Год назад
I think most people are really generous and kind. Most of us are very happy to give to others when we have something we know someone else might need, especially if it's something that we're not even using. The issue is usually with connecting to those we can help. The internet, I think, has been a great enabler for that. Whether it's Craigslist's free page, specialty forums, or RU-vidrs sharing their skills and interests, there's a big old world out there to share with. Even when I cannot help someone myself because I don't have what they need, it makes me feel good when I see others doing it. I taught the kids I worked with for over thirty years that one of the best ways to make yourself happy is to try to make other people happy. And seeing people do good for others is a secondary way to spread good-feeling. This video had lots of that. Thanks, Keith! You share what you have with all of us whenever you male and post another video.
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 Год назад
The community that you've built here is incredible, Keith. I'm amazed at what you're able to do because of your viewers and/or people that they know.
@jacquespoirier9071
@jacquespoirier9071 Год назад
I done many press table lift using boat trailer winches, I've modified them by inserting a piece of 2 1/2" tubing in the drum to have a bigger starting point. I.m a bit surprized that a press of that quality does not have a table lift at the origin. very good add on to that press very good video
@robertlevine2152
@robertlevine2152 Год назад
Keith, Nice job! You might consider fitting a plate on the drum to separate the two wires. If by chance the wires. cross it can jam bury one of the wires. If you decide to add a positioning device to move your cylinder left and right, look no further than your lathe or mill. A lead screw, nut, and. a DC servomotor could be the answer to moving the hydraulic cylinder assembly. Bob
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide 10 месяцев назад
Ooh so sweet Ginger the pussycat ❤❤❤
@ericmcrory4668
@ericmcrory4668 Год назад
This type of content is so nice as a contrast to the endless videos about political corruption and conspiracy!
@richardsurber8226
@richardsurber8226 Год назад
That's amazing to have a "guy" that has an old piece and you give a new job to extend it's useful life. This channel is so useful, Thanks Keith
@907jl
@907jl Год назад
Great looking press Keith, nice job! Just one bit of advice when using Crosby clips on wire rope. Remember the old saying "never saddle a dead horse". The "saddle" of the clip, should be on the load bearing side of the cable, and the U-bolt should be over the "dead" or tag end of the cable. Granted this project isn't the Space Shuttle, but proper practice is proper practice.
@RROOBBWWAANN
@RROOBBWWAANN Год назад
17:07 Wish the hydraulic pump worked so quietly.
@MrKotBonifacy
@MrKotBonifacy Год назад
Keith, actually, to speed up the hoisting and lowering you could use any of your cordless drills - with an appropiate adapter of sort.
@dynamiteralph
@dynamiteralph Год назад
Wire rope clamps are backwards. "Never saddle a dead horse". Saddle should be on the live end, not the dead end.
@nickharrington6326
@nickharrington6326 Год назад
awesome projects as usual Keith!
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 Год назад
I've replaced those straps countless times on our hot hoists that we used when I was a lineman. I've never seen that particular model though; our had releases as they were ratchet hoists.
@johnyoungquist6540
@johnyoungquist6540 Год назад
I have setup two different presses. The first one used a double cable both going up and over to lift the table. You get tangles and trouble this way, The second time I tried the other way which was much better. With only one cable on the winch it goes up to the top around a pulley and back down to lift the table from one side. This would never work as is. So another cable connects to the table where the first cable connected and goes down to the bottom across the the machine to the other side and then up to the top where it turns around a pulley ang goes down to lift the other side. I found this to be better than trying to drive 2 cables on one drum that tends to jam and tangle. Nice press nice job.
@dtoad48
@dtoad48 Год назад
Still should add a shield between the pack and the press.
@inspector1794
@inspector1794 Год назад
Nice addition to the shop. I'm sure it will be quite useful. I don't know if the wire rope will tangle in the winch but, a couple of eye bolts in the strap guide holes could help. Thanks for sharing.
@TexDrinkwater
@TexDrinkwater Год назад
Other than what you've mentioned, I'd probably want to make a sheet metal cover, insulated with foam, to knock down the noise of the pump. Overall, though, that press turned out way better than I expected when you first started the project. Nice work!
@Bottleworksnet
@Bottleworksnet Год назад
Foam doesn't sound insulate well. Virtually zero. But there are good sound insulators available. And it's needed on that pump!
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Год назад
It’s still not as loud as Fenner’s hydraulic pump on his press. Lol
@mrfixit992
@mrfixit992 Год назад
Ginger❤❤❤
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 Год назад
i sent those plates. i hope they will make good use of the press. ive have a 20t press in my shop and have never needed more force. only more space. ive used our 150t press at my work and it has a power unit and talk about dangerous! you can change the force by 20t in the bump of a switch. that 60 will be similar. the cool thing about that winch is it will raise the table even if its loaded with a 100lb part.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Год назад
Thanks for the kindness of sharing the extra tooling for Keith’s press, that was something that was truly needed and an extra set to double up or use as a second set to alter as needed. I’m amazed at how generous some people are when it comes to donating things that can be used and appreciated by us as viewers as well as Keith. Thanks again!👍
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 Год назад
@@Hoaxer51 I work at a steel mill and I bought some material a few years ago for some home projects, I went and visited Keith when he had the event a while back I didnt have a lot of time there but I went and got them wheels from Lowes for him while the others were working and I thought about He was gonna need some heavy duty material for that big press. So I went home a cut that material and shipped it via fastenal blue lane freight. It worked out great. I also sent some other smaller flat pieces and a piece of 4 inch round bar, so when he goes to make them adapters to go on the end of the rod we should see him make those too.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 Год назад
@@MrChevelle83,You have some material laying around for home projects and it’s one inch thick steel plate and four inch round bar, what the heck are you building, an armored car? Lol Just kidding around, it’s guys like you that help the world go round. Where I use to work would use Fastenal to have stuff shipped to us, a lot of people don’t know about that service but it’s pretty handy if you have a Fastenal store in your town, they also work on Dewalt cordless tools there maybe others. Thanks again for all your help and I’m looking forward to seeing Keith use up some of that other steel!
@oleran4569
@oleran4569 Год назад
Good job! That's the press you've needed for years.
@tacticalrabbit308
@tacticalrabbit308 Год назад
You could use an impact drill to raise and lower it too.
@xmtxx
@xmtxx Год назад
I ha ve to say, Ginger didi all the heavy lifting in this video. Quit slacking, keith! ;) Great content, anyway.
@TomLow-gf8pb
@TomLow-gf8pb Год назад
Hello Mr. Rucker, I really enjoy your videos! FYI- you installed the cable clamps on backwards. The round part of the clamp goes on the piece of cable that does not carry the load. Sincerely, Tom
@thanebaxter
@thanebaxter Год назад
Looks like it turned out extremely well. Thank you for sharing your process. I was a little confused with how the hydraulics were going to work out. Seems I just didn't know how your power pack worked. Glad I was able to see it in action, answered all my questions.
@argee55
@argee55 Год назад
Nice addition to the shop. I wouldn't worry about the speed of the winch. Afterall, how often will it get adjusted?
@Craneman4100w
@Craneman4100w Год назад
Your cable clamps are on backward. The ubolt goes on the dead end of the cable. The ubolt bites in and damages the rope enough to weaken it slightly but will hold even if the clamp is a little loose. If the clamp slips it will be the saddle that does so hense tightening the loop as long as the saddle is on the load side of the rope. Don't stagger the clips either.
@charlesmiles9115
@charlesmiles9115 Год назад
😛😛😛😛😛😛❤❤❤❤❤🦾🦴🦾🦴👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@aserta
@aserta Год назад
Could swap the handle for a weighted wheel. Something like a half a kilo cast iron weight from a lifting set. The mechanism is way overbuilt, so it should easily take that weight, which in turn will make it easy to rotate.
@ramosel
@ramosel Год назад
Keith, you are doing great with the weight loss. I hope it is all intentional.
@tiredoldmechanic1791
@tiredoldmechanic1791 Год назад
Harbor Freight sells a worm drive winch that I've used for several different builds.
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Год назад
A nice touch would be to calibrate the gauge directly in tons. Bit off my mathematical talents, but I’m sure some clever person knows how to print off a nice circular scale.
@mikepayne8756
@mikepayne8756 Год назад
"Never saddle a dead horse", The U bolt should go on the dead end, the saddle on the live side. Did yo have enough cable to lower to bottom spot?
@UKDrew
@UKDrew Год назад
Awesome as Always . You put the Cable Clamps on Backwards hehehe
@brycejeannotte7699
@brycejeannotte7699 Год назад
That looks like a great winch. It looks like you put the cable clamp on backwards. The saddle goes on the live wire, not the dead one.
@dennisdelpiero7615
@dennisdelpiero7615 Год назад
Great job Keith. What about a foot switch to operate the power pack?
@RayLautenschlager
@RayLautenschlager Год назад
Before you cut the cable off turn those clamps around. They are on backward.
@johnpublic168
@johnpublic168 Год назад
Hi. When are you going to demo the champ drill grinder.
@clydedecker765
@clydedecker765 Год назад
On other drill presses I've seen they have a lot more holes for the bed so that they can select the bed height closest to the stock/press head. You might want to drill a few more holes the adjust the table height to a suitable range for any action you want to make.
@combatmedic1980
@combatmedic1980 Год назад
A simple way to increase the drum size would be to put some of the web strapping back on the drum and then drill a hole though the strapping and pull your cable through, no need to fasten the strapping down the cables would do that.
@WayneHensley-xg3wn
@WayneHensley-xg3wn Год назад
You put your clamps on backwards. never saddle a dead horse. U-bolt goes on the dead end of the cable
@Retrogradeinversion
@Retrogradeinversion Год назад
I never heard “never saddle a dead horse” before. Good information, thanks to other comment posters! 👍
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 Год назад
Great rebuild of the press Keith. Great addition to the shop. You will enjoy having it and probably find many uses for it now that you have it. Thanks for sharing.
@jsaurman
@jsaurman Год назад
Use heatshrink tubing to bind the cut end of the cable to the load cable in order to keep it from fraying and it will keep it looking neat.
@gregmarsen8536
@gregmarsen8536 Год назад
You should get a shop apron two inches longer. It looks like your slip is showing.
@plainnpretty
@plainnpretty Год назад
Now you have a nice working press good job
@jayreiter268
@jayreiter268 Год назад
"pound to fit paint to match"
@charlesbartlett4457
@charlesbartlett4457 Год назад
Just wondering why you didn’t leave extra cable on the spool to make a larger diameter?
@southernrrman
@southernrrman Год назад
Finally the kitty gets some skritches!
@timmienorrie
@timmienorrie Год назад
Been fun following along. Those 1 inch high tensile plates are a godsend and the winch is superb. Kudos to the gentlemen involved.👌👌👌👌👌
@bertppichon2684
@bertppichon2684 Год назад
Cable clips on wrong, never saddle a dead horse.
@casycasy5199
@casycasy5199 Год назад
id thread that shafted install a nut on it so I could use a battery drill with a socket to raise and lower the table
@mikebuford5229
@mikebuford5229 Год назад
Ya never saddle a dead horse Keith.
@cropsey7
@cropsey7 Год назад
Keith you’re blessed that press is so wonderfully restored
@Joel-st5uw
@Joel-st5uw Год назад
Really nifty winch for the job! I hope nobody forgets to slack the cables! Perhaps a good "insurance policy" would be a spring loaded momentary switch with a roller arm along one cable run: if the cable is taught, it holds the switch and locks out the power pack. Slack the cable to release the switch. Would be another cool retrofit!
@harrymiller3986
@harrymiller3986 Год назад
The press is looking good I see several people that have said they would use a wood board across the bottom brackets I would make a box that would hold sand or sawdust because a friend had a 1/2” pin hit the floor and knocked a 1/2” hole in the floor of the shop could have been a bad day but my friend has double coverage the good Lord looks after fools and drunks
@mattomon1045
@mattomon1045 Год назад
Hi Ginger !
@dolvaran
@dolvaran Год назад
General principle - never make the fastening on a cable or rope take the direct strain. Always wrap a turn around the bar first, then lock it with the fastening (or knot).
@ronalddavis
@ronalddavis Год назад
you saddled a dead horse
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize Месяц назад
Are you needing to be a machinist again, ? LOLOL I am sure you wouldnt mind eh, LOL.
@Caughtitoutdoors
@Caughtitoutdoors Год назад
You've already got electronical components on it, why not put a powered wench with a up/down switch???
@paulbreaks7680
@paulbreaks7680 Год назад
Never saddle a dead horse by looking at your video you put the saddle on the crosbe clamp on the dead end of the rope
@thisolesignguy2733
@thisolesignguy2733 Год назад
nicely done! man that crank is smooooth. That turned out really great. You could just make a bit for the drill that looks like a tuning fork and use that to crank it. That way you don't have to modify it at all and you can use it for other things like the handles on other machines 😁 a multi-use tool
@steveward53
@steveward53 Год назад
Why not just weld a hex bolt head where the handle attaches and use a cordless drill with a socket to crank it ... ?
@csnelling4
@csnelling4 Год назад
Very nice job Keith 👍🍺😊
@tomnorman5461
@tomnorman5461 Год назад
Mellow shop cat, mine would have bolted (pardon the pun) as soon as I pulled the trigger on the impact drill. Press is looking awesome Keith, nice mod.
@glenc90240
@glenc90240 Год назад
For your press heads, what about an internal o-ring vs a setscrew?
@Mudgrove
@Mudgrove Год назад
Hi from Australia, I agree, make a set of different slugs/dies. Press plates might be better off doubled when you cut a profile for pressing, 2 inch thick is better than 1.... at 60 ton. You can keep all the different the press plates on the bottom rails, as I'm sure you will have others to add. Consider a motor to power up/down to save you shoulder. That's a high ratio. Enjoying what you do, Keith.
@badcat4707
@badcat4707 Год назад
All the good quality Workshops and Boatyards have an Inspector Cat 😸😺and yours is adorable 😻😸😺
@stancloyd
@stancloyd Год назад
If it was stick welding vertical up is the only way. With MIG vertical down is way easier, faster, and looks way better. The exception would be flux core or dual shield.
@markosborne2650
@markosborne2650 4 месяца назад
I watched this entire restoration. Very impressive. The only thing I would have done different would have been , put an electric winch, but that's just me I guess. Again Great Job.
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