@@Mangela_Erkel We are downhill. "Made in Germany" is history. The new Germans don't know about history, especially our own. Schools got really bad. Teachers have to follow standards and care more for fancy pedagogy than to TEACH children! Just one generation and we are f***ed up completely!
You're absolutely right. The thing is that, once you start very clearly displaying the country this "stuff" comes from, you're obviously going to make people angry. Especially when you choose to compare very cheap "stuff" with another "stuff" that's way more expensive than the rest (and happens to be American, of course). I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been half as many angry comments if the country those wrenches were made in hadn't been mentioned.
No matter where it came from or how good it was made, an open - end wrench is only good for just so much. Even the best possible quality is going to fail somewhere.
@@ilikeships9333 ok but consider no mechanic is going to apply that much force on a hand tool unless they put a 6 foot bar on the end of it and gorilla the thing and before that ever happens they're just going to reach for the impact driver. For $4 the german tool is good enough and a way better value
@@hetrodoxly1203 Milwaukee tools are 100% made in the US since 1924... They are manufactured in Greenwood MS, Jackson MS, and Mukwonago WI... They just opened a new plant in West Bend WI. I think you are confused about them being bought out by Techtronic Industries...
What you should take from this, most medium quality tools are more than strong enough if used as intended. Don't waste money on expensive tools, spend it on buying the right tool for the job.
Eh depends. If you're a tradesman you want tools that will last you through years of abuse and also have quirks that make your job a little easier. Yeah I could buy cheap wire strippers that get the job done and will last a long time but they suck the entire time I use them and make life just a little more difficult than it has to be every single time because they don't have a snug fit around the wire. Or even something as simple as a cheap temperature probe, it takes forever to get to the current temperature and when it finally gets there I wonder if I can even trust it. Compare that to a nice Fieldpiece dual temperature sensor that is nearly instant and very accurate. Better tools are definitely worth the extra money if you use them often.
@@jdthesexpert05 I totaly agree with you. And also even for homework I prefer better tools. My father has collected some really good tools, same like his father and he gave it to me. Now I collect good quality tools too and I will gave them to my son. Average quality tools are for average skilled guys which more likely call profesional on the job then do it by their own.
@@StoneInMySandal He is correct though. Unless you routinely abuse a wrench on rusty worn bolts with a huge extension, buying a premium one is a waste of money. The medium quality (cheap but brand name) tools at my job have lasted over 20 years with no signs of wear.
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I hate it. Seems harder to hold on to. Takes extra space so it's harder to fit in to tight places. Most of all, it looks stupid. Modern combination wrench is better. I'd recommend a hex drive on the closed end over a 12 point, but it has to be a ratcheting design.
The shape of the open-end wrench (Maulschlüssel in my Language) from the Milwaukee one gives it more grip compared to the rest. Thats an advantage, that makes the comparison not really fair. The others had practically the same shape. Beside that, after it boiled down to Germany vs. USA, Würth was close second to a far heavier, more than 3times more expensive Wrench. Personally, i would choose the Würth Wrench. If they add the open-end from milwaukee, it would probably be even closer. Also i have to say....there are some flaws in the comparability, since the wrenches had different angles and pressure-points while being pressed, which affects the applied forces.
It’s not an advantage that’s just a good design, so it’s unfair, because it was a comparison and better designing is a big point, for deciding which one’s the best.
@@Ichbins_Tim_04 watch the Video again. Compare how many contact areas the wrenches have. The US wrench has far more contact and that gives it more Grip compared to the Rest. You may call it Design, but this Design gives it an Advantage. And yes....that makes it unfair.
Question is, if the forces here are relevant to real life? If not I would also take the cheaper and lighter German version, especially if you think about carrying a larger set.
@@djbeste the max forces? most likely no. But these are Tools for all kinds of craftsman. Sooner or later, someone will use them for Tasks, that they are not meant for. So durability is important. A good Toolset can last for Decades, if treated well.
You see how the cheap Würth wrench did, now take a serious german brand like Hazet or Wera. As the germans say: "If you want good quality tools you have to spend some money, but if you want to inherit tools to your grandkids you take Hazet".
As an American I am gratified to see the US brands win hands down but... honestly I expected the German one to win so to know that it was a cheap brand... the contest may have been rigged honestly. So... ya... I'd love to see a rematch vs higher quality tools between the US and Germany.
@@rlt422 Its not a cheap brand, its just a good value commercial tool line. Stuff thats actually used in production because its affordable and solid. The Milwaukee wrench was almost 3x the price and comes from a "luxury" premium line of products. Arguably unecessarily strong for normal use but impressive nonetheless.
@@rapidrrobert4333 True, however there are times when it's better to have the wrench rather than the fastener fail! That's why it's always a good idea to keep some cheap, disposable tools around!
@@chiefdenis Simply not true. If you use them to make a living you don't want to run to the store halfway through a suspension replacement. But I do agree for a hobbyist.
To be fair to this creator, I've seen goofballs on RU-vid do things like buy ludicrously rare video games just for the sake of deliberately destroying them to make fans of those games upset. At least we get some insight into the [possibly lost] material science behind the things deliberately destroyed on this channel, even if plenty are also here because big hydraulic smash good.
@@AdhamMGhaly you people acting like he broke some 1820 original painting, but the wrench he broke can be purchase between 10-20 dollar on ebay, also at leats one museum already have those in stock in chattanooga.
@@alm4142 xD what 10-20 dollar lol, u can find tools like this or even double or triple older for 5$ or so, there are thousands of tools like this ones everywhere around the world. And to be honest those are not old tools, just rusted metal. which has less than 100 years for sure.
If you feel bad for inanimate wrenches... just chucks of metal in a certain shape... how do you get by during the day? Do you feel bad when people have bad hair days? Or anything related to humans?
price comparison is unfair, becasue thanks to communist regime, no real environmental standart control, concentration camp labor and more, china can always be cheaper at same quality if needed.
While price is probably indicative, I'd pay more attention to the geometry there. The Milwaukee wrench has an entirely different one compared to the other contemporary ones.
Milwaukee’s v groove open end and fastener grooves definitely helped it grip to the Allen key better, a little unfair to the other wrenches but shows how it helps transmit more force
The Milwaukee is not comparable to the other wrenches because it is a higher tier model, they have better wrenches from those other countries as well. Taking the cheapest foreign made and comparing it to not the cheapest American made is not a fair comparison of the countries steal and design, still a good video.
@@lawrencelazaro8400 I mean, not really. Milwaukee is known for a lot of good tools, but in the trades they're not especially highly regarded for their box wrenches. If this was a Snap-On or something then I would agree, but anything you can just go buy off the shelf in Home Depot is not what I'd describe as "higher tier." Clearly they've engineered a good wrench though, for the price.
@@anssi2267 Absolutely agree. it's not just the fancy stuff like v-groove jaws, either. The Milwaukee also had the tightest tolerances for any of the "17mm" wrenches. This wasn't a contest of steel quality or national pride, but it does show that an intelligently designed and accurately manufactured tool will do better than the others
Iv been turning wrenches for a living for over 35 years and know from experience who's stuff is better than others but have always wanted to do a measured head to head test. Thanks for checking of a bucket 🤠 list Mark.
You wont bend or break a 17mm Allen key from a name-brand manufacturer with hand tools. Go take a look how large 17mm actually is - 16mm is the same size as 5/8"
@@austinjohnson8900 - yeah, 17mm hardened steel (not tungsten carbide, that would shatter). The properly engineered hex keys are incredible things - I remember the original Hex Keys and Fasteners were termed "Unbrako" (brand name) which still exists today. My dad engineered large printing presses that used them for high-stress applications, and it was amazing how long a helper bar you could put on one. They act almost like a spring, and feel very strange when you really lean on one - at a certain point they actually twist rather than snap or strip to socket. I think that the Torsional Yield on a 5/8" (smaller than 17mm) Unbrako wrench is approximately 900 ft/lb of torque, but I may have the equation/conversions wrong.
Your video was interesting as always. However, torque plays a major role in this comparison. Thus, you would always have to choose the same distance to the head. In addition, the tool can do nothing if the construction fails.
I believe the distance from the allen wrench used to the pressure point of the press never changed, so the torque on the jaws should have been the same
@@johnsonpaul1914 It's possible that he tried to maintain the same distance, but it's still highly prone to error. Even being off by a few millimeters would have a significant effect on the results, and the way the press encounters different contact points with the wrench as it pushes down due to the wrench's shape pretty much guarantees that this won't be very accurate. It's still interesting though; not crapping on the video, just suggesting a better method.
RU-vid suggested me this video from absolutely nowhere and guess what, I watched it for absolutely no reason. 😅🙈 I discovered a fact that I was more keen to see what happened next for certain country's make. So, good job makers of the video. You labelled the tools by Country than by material. You know what can keep your viewers glued to your video. 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That 1920s wrench is an International Harvester. I have the exact one, but the stamping is still visible. They were given out with every tractor/implement as a universal "the only wrench you'll need" to work on their equipment.
If you're a professional tradesman that uses the tools 15-20 times a day the better quality is a good investment. If you're a home repairman that uses the tools 15-20 times over the 30-40 years you own them, maybe not so much.
@@robertorobertes7630 have you ever wondered how they do that? Send products half way around the world and sell it for less than it could be made in your own home town? Again, imagine all the resources consumed through that entire process. Somebody's getting the shaft. There and here. In more ways than one. This whole money thing has gotten way out of control.
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From time to time I'll go to the flea market and dig through the boxes of tools that are being sold. I have a mish mash of offset dogbone style wrenches that seem pretty good. Old but edges and corners look good. Also found some larger old US manufactured open end wrenches that have a flattened oval shaped beam. Really comfortable in the hand and they look to be machine finished after the forging. I wire wheeled those babies and gave them a rubbing with some light oil. Love the opportunities when I can use them!!
Tools don't come in classes. They come in levels of craftsmanship, aka quality and durability. These factors set to sales markup determines the variable of price a seller assumes a buyer is willing to pay. As sellers determine their own sales markup, there is no such thing as a price point.
Yes exactly. But, it also teaches that you need to spend money according to the tasks. For example, it makes no sense to spend more than 0.3 bucks if you cannot apply more than 75 kg of force, moreover, in many cases, this will not be needed - you will already break the thread by 50 kg.
@@suprematiccube7072 but on other end the strongest will last longer in the long run if you are in a trade where you are using them constantly. better steel it will just wear less " same with knives and so on" But if you are avg Joe who uses them only when needed, then cheaper tools probably a good idea. :)
The better mindset is "Will I need to use this tool a lot or on multiple occasions?" If yes, then splurge on the better tool. If you're just using it every once in a while, and the tool sits in a toolbox for months, then there's no problem at all with going to a no name cheap tool.
My dad was a mechanic/machinist. He taught me to buy the best you can afford, and when you really need it, it will work. I have good wrenches thatI purchased in the eighties, and they are still like new. Never let me down. This is just more proof of that.
when you keep in mind that Würth in Germany is considered to be reasonably well but they are more of an enthusiast toolmaker and if you want the real pro stuff you buy Hazet or Gedore then they did pretty well.
Or Stahlwille. I never considered Würth to be serious quality, it's barely above the stuff you get in any normal home depot. It's just a widespread and easy option for small craftsman businesses. Gedore, my company only ever bought the cheap stuff, so I got a bit of a bad bias here. Is it really on the same level as the others?
naja... mit Würth wurde ja ein Schlüssel eingekauft, der bei Facom bzw. einem seiner Untermarken hergestellt wurde. Hat also so viel "Germany" drin wie "USA" in den Milwaukee-Akkuschraubern. Interessant wäre es erst dann geworden, wenn Hazet / Gedore / Stahlwille im Vergleich gewesen wäre. Aber so ist es halt immer mit diesen "Tests/Vergleichen"
Crazy, the Milwaukee tool didn’t look like it started yielding at all. The hex stock started to visibly deflect in torsion. I bet that tool could have pushed back a lot harder than it did in the shot if the setup had been more ridgid
@@blackdogleg Würth is a chromium-vanadium alloy with only less material in it. With practical use, this has no drawbacks. No one will break it by hand. Milwaukee looks good. It looks like they worked hard a lot to make an even better tool, so I think it was a completely fair win.
Stahlwille have one of the best tools for brake lines, springs and other great tools. But standard quality about wrench in Germany is still Hazet or Gedore. Is like about pliers, Hazet, Gedore or stahlwille didn't make pliers like Knipex and all other didn't make wrench tools like Hazet or Gedore. At the end is the quality from KS tools, bgs and so stuff good quality at this segment, but not standard at Germany
Milwaukee is considered a top end brand in North America but I am surprised they used it because over here, whether you're working on a little locomotive next to the Panama canal or a front end loader up in Prudhoe Bay, all mechanics day dream about having a full set of tools from Snap-On but then they curse about how much they cost and instead opt to feed their family instead of their tool addiction.
Damn good endorsement for Milwaukee wrenches after all that abuse you put it through you still have a perfectly good working wrench at the end. Always had good luck with Milwaukee tools
Virtually always worth the price. You'll have the same tools decades from now if they're made by Milwaukee. Every time I buy something from someone else, there is a point where it gets put to the test and I just go right back to the old solid lineup I know will hold up.
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Milwaukee is not produced in USA. Most of their spanners are made by Toptul in Taiwan. Wurth is also a rebrand of different companies. Some spanners and ratchets are made in Taiwan, some sockets are made in Japan by Koken. I even have some old Wurth spanners that are made by Facom.
@@Rimrock300 I disagree. In these cases what you pay is the brand. You can buy spanners from Toptul for lower price. Same design, same quality and specs. The reason why Milwaukee is more expensive is because it is a well known brand, while Toptul is barely known and people question its quality. So for them to sell any spanners, they need to go with lower price.
@@Rimrock300 Actually, historically that wasn't the case. And I would say it's still true to a smaller degree today, that certain countries are happy with wider tolerances when they manufacture their tools. It's a cost savings measure, and countries that produce cheap tools can't be bothered with tighter tolerances. Also in decades past, China produced tools with inferior steels and cheaper alloys. That's largely gone today, but still worrying.
Exactly. Look at 4:13 how the display suddenly jumps from 75 to 95 (+27%) when the contact point goes from the eyelet on the right to the stem (?) on the left
chooseng the right 'size' tool for the job is most important. In any trade. For instance, you wouldn't use an old fasion ignition wrench set to remove the lugs from your wheel. Sometimes you can go underkilt & get away with it. But the right tool for the right job always worked best for me. The cheap version tools probably belong next to the sewing kit
@@NoRdIcRaGe Kommt drauf an. Habe hier einen Gedore Rollgabelschlüssel (der schon alleine wegen des Preises) nicht überzeugt (zu viel Spiel). Es soll aber durchaus noch gute Gedore Produkte geben. Ich persönlich bevorzuge trotzdem Hazet und Stahlwille.
Interesting video. But I don’t know what job I’ll need to put the wrench strength to it’s full potential. So far I have stay with the reasonable priced. It works every time. My consideration is always the one will not rust easily, which the cheapest tends to be the worst.
Thanks for pointing that out, as an American tradesman I wouldn't have known that. But to be honest I guessed it from the price that it wasn't a genuine- apples to apples - comparison and a little more of a- apple to crabapple - comparison. Milwaukee is a a top end brand here in North America and considering the region's history and demographics it would've been more fun to see our Germans competing against your Germans on a level playing field price-wise : )
Even the Zebra tools are not manufactured by Würth. They just buy the tools from various high quality manufacturers like Facom from France and brand them with Würth Zebra. The Red Line is sometimes even imported from China. Don't get me wrong. The Würth Zebra tools are very high quality professional tools but not necessarily a german made tool. Stahlwille, Gedore or Hazet would be the brands to go with for a test like this.
Many people would consider “ snap-on” tools to be the best. But that may be marketing because Milwaukee makes great tools! But I each brand has their fan boys. There are also several other brands that come close. But I would love to see a high end versus high end video, across all makes and all countries. So long as the quality of the tool is there!
So, all i got from this is, if you need a good wrench, get the cheapest one. If you need something better, the Chinese one is good enough. Everything over is overkill, and you're better of using a different tool. I doubt many people here will put over 100kg of force on a wrench.
The American 1920s wrench should not be a contestant, it was never designed for that, it was only designed for opening and closing valves. Unfair comparison as it was constructed of cast iron. the rest of the comparison is a great representation. You truly get what you pay for. Cheap is good for "In a pinch" use. But know the quality of what you're buying. I'd say for a good representation next, step up to the next level of Wrenches same size, but mid-quality. The Cheap quality we know will fail faster. Even China has better quality, Comparing it to USA built is almost unfair. That said, was there any question about what was going to fail and what was going to exceed expectations? GREAT Video AGAIN!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Because torque was applied on the side, not from the bottom as the others tools. You Can not trust this test, maybe Milwaukee its weaker, he should repeat the test using the same torque in the same spot in all of them
Yeah, because this testing setup has a major flaw. The hex key is not correctly fixated. You can see it multiple times, not only at the Milwaukee, that the hex key jumps out of the clamp.
Japanese wrenches are some of the best fit wise as well as quality for metric!! Still using the same one my dad was using in 2004 when he got his tundra. And the tundra is now mine dont use any other set of wrenches
Back in my auto mechanic days I would by cheap wrenches on sale for making specialty tools for hard to get places. I'd bend then and grind them so they would fit where I needed them. No matter how little I paid for them I never broke on unless I was beating the crap out of it with a great big hammer.
This, real life experience. Kudos, we do the same with tools in my workshop in Argentina (more related to trucks, farm machines and general metal works).
Milwaukee is a product from a different price level. Among the German products, it will find many much better than the tested basic Wurth. Like Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille, Matador and more.
Not really. You can't find a United States wrench for more than 10 bucks. Our tools are just more expensive. It doesn't matter where they come from. You'd have to import tools and while it might cost you five bucks in Germany, It could cost you $50 in the United States
Some of the craziest wrenches I ever encountered were some weird old rather cheap open end wrenches made in India from some exotic India alloy. I used one trying to break a nut loose and it was all I had that fit so I was going way beyond all torque range but it broke one of the jaws and it sounded like a gun when it broke and I never found the jaw piece. Pure violence.
Great video, although as a tools lover it's just break my heart to see the tools get destroyed. Also, can I have a request to have different country's tools comparison but relatively equal price? 🤔 Just want to know which product has best cost efficient. Thanks
and the distance between where the tool connec tot eh nut/bolt to where teh press press touch teh tool have to be teh same on all case, if not then teh torque that each tool put on the bolt/nut will be different.
It's really interesting because Würth is actually a B2B company making parts for the industry. And in engineering school you learn to be as unprecise as possible and as accurate as nessesary. This also applies to price-percormance ratio
@@aquarius5264 quality over quantity. Pay your workers a decent wage and using superior quality steel cost more money. Buy 5 cheap wrenches that will eventually break or one that could last a lifetime.
An normal 17mm hex headed bolt has ~10mm shaft diameter and will probably not withstand ~250Nm (five time the force that is recommended on 8.8 stainless steel quality) and about 100 kg at .25 m distance.
If you multiply 20 million jigawatts that's what you get .See what I'm saying. Just use quantum physics and you'll get the correct answer. Wait a minute. what were we talking about ?
Yep. If such a bolt did not go at gravity force of 100 KG at 0.25m (1000 Newtons force, 250Nm torque) you better do something other than forcing it further. Too much torque may shear the bolt head or worse, squeeze shear the board between the bolt and nuts. I'm civil engineer. Too much specs on one place makes no sense as others would be the weak spot. (If you are using bolts not on steel structures but machines, they usually have torque requirements which you SHALL obey)
Look at the kg counts. Are you really going to put like 80+ kg on a 17 mm wrench (for 10 mm bolts)? The bolts would normally break sooner than your tools.
It seems like every wrench was strong enough to resist plastic deformation until after its open end lost its grip. I don't know what more you need than that. I'd say they're all good enough except the one whose box end snapped.
The Milwaukee tool might have gotten the highest values in those test but let's not forget a few important aspects here. No person would effectively produce that high numbers so probably any of the wrenches are good to go. Further, the Milwaukee was the only one with a proper nominal size and basically any tool failed at that point cause they lost grip. Regarding the weight, probably a few tools would have outperformed the Milwaukee one as well. And most of the price tag on the American one is probably the polishing and engraving on the tool. it's still just a basic wrench using more material and made shiny.
Würth is a german retailer that is often using companies like Facom to produce. My favorite german wrench companies are Hazet and Stahlwille. We have a complete Hazet metric set at home and we never destroyed one (even with abuse). Before you destroy the tool, you will destroy the bolt. Greetings from germany.
Thing is though a lot of Russia's stuff was made in other parts of the USSR. Not Russia itself. It's Ukraine, Poland, etc who had the facilities and skills.
@@BlatentlyFakeName "lot of Russia's stuff was made in other parts of the USS" nope also poland is never part of ussr this is also nonsense, the Russians have the most skill, resources and capabilities. Any thing the Poles have always yielded to us in everything, and everything that the Ukraine invented by the Bolsheviks had, which never existed before 1922, it had only thanks to us
@@dropanukeonusaagain6606 They don't have much skill of their own. Not much of their stuff was actually made in Russia. The electrical components come from Japan and Korea, the hardware from Ukraine. Even the Moskva (now on special underwater operations) was made in Ukraine.
I have a lot of tools at home for my work, and from my own experience I have been able to verify that tools from Germany and USA are of very good quality. I also dare to mention some of Japanese origin.
@@Arltratlo if germans really cared about quality they would make cars that dont leak oil and dont have electrical issues on its first drive from the dealership
@@sixunity1171 There were times (70s-90s) where german cars were really top notch. Suddenly the car companies in germany like VW, BMW, Audi, Mercedes and so on decided to stop producing in such a high quality level. Instead they've built in weakspots so they earn money from repairing in their workshops or people buying new cars because their old cannot be repaired economically. This happens all over the world and has to do with market systems, because if the market is satisfied you cannot sell your product anymore, no matter how good it is. In your case you seemed to have a bad dealer, because usually the cars are designed to weaken after a couple years or miles driven.
