@@alexprus7953 Wait the fontaine characters CAN jump out of the water? Here's me thinking I needed to go and get my boat to get the oculus that's slightly above water level.
It’s frustrating that characters like Lyney and Lynette can simultaneously demonstrate that Hoyoverse is completely capable of making well balanced and fun characters as well as completely unwilling to do that for certain characters seemingly at random.
Lynette is a free unit for pneumousia mechanics. You can just consider her a starter unit like the favonius guys. XL is the only exception cause she's just broken due to ICD. Lynette is very good for new players but she's not meta until C6 as a main carry if you really like her and want some more utility over damage from Heizou for example.
@@teo2805 Lynette C6 as a carry is still not meta whatsoever. She lags far behind sucrose as a driver as sucrose is ranged and doesn't need to use her charged attacks (in turn, stamina) to keep up with damage due to her EM share and consolidating her damage better via grouping and swirl. Her only saving grace seems to be pneumousia damage. I would've been fine with her honestly if that C1 actually grouped like faruzan's grouping but, hoyo seemed to be really not want her to be good.
Even with Lynette being the 4* you still have the issues that plague this game with their design, having her burst not snapshot and basically having no C1 since the grouping is a joke and the dmg she does is very low even with Constellations.
didnt expect lyney to be that good even without his set or weapon... but lmao hyv really dropped lyney on a tuesday when his talent books opened on thursday
fr having to wait to farm for him was a pain. Still don't have his set, so I am using whatever good pieces I have atm, but I was so surprised at the amount of dmg he does.
I mean wasn't it Tuesday only for NA? and like very late one as well? For EU and I assume Asia too it was already Wednesday, so it was 1 day only, which isn't really bad.
@@oliviaaargh After Dehya I at least know that even 5 stars aren't safe anymore. 😂 Wriothesley and Neuvillette mains better put on their COPIUM masks and clown makeup now because it's gonna be a bumpy ride. 😂
idk why they think a skill that requires you to stand still for ages is a good idea, even after designing aggressive shit like the consecrated beasts. They must’ve felt pretty bad for making DendroMC good, pretty sure they didn’t want them to be useful either.
The fact that neuvilette (from leaks) gonna be like hmc skill shooting water openly 😭😭😭 like unless hyv gives broken hydro shielder then why bother making that stan still skill
@@arionmoschettahow does this make you want to spend money? Curious since I haven't felt a desire to spend money on this game since the version 1 days. Just save your gems, you don't need anything in this game, and eventually every character gets rerun multiple times. There's no fomo.
@@JustSomeGuy009 because westerners always argue with the assumption that they cant control their own behavior and that leads to them spending in gacha games. Its the same argument used with the "easy mode" argument
@@JustSomeGuy009 Honestly same, but that's because I'm dedicated to playing the game every day, so I was able to save enough for each character I wanted since like 2.0. I've also been playing since 1.0, so I've had plenty of opportunities to get characters in their reruns. I doubt that people who were only going to play for a couple of months consistently could wait for their rerun, so they end up giving in to their monetization model. There are also the players who exclusively just want the BP or resin refresh, and the whales who spend an absurd amount of money regardless if they'll dedicate a lot of time to the game or not. Nonetheless, play how you want to play the game, and spend as much or little as you reasonably want (and be smart about it). That's my take as a F2P, at least.
@soham783 it doesn't even have to completely stop, but at least interrupt enemies or slow down when coming into contact with enemies like Ayaka's burst 🤣
They knew exactly what they were doing with Hydro MC, because one of their constellations specifically slows down the burst ball so that it's slightly less shit. So the uselessness of it just passing through everything and immediately fucking off to Narnia had to have been intentional.
Hoyo has handled Genshin's power balancing quite masterfully. Rather than directly buffing characters, they release ones that look, feel and are worse than the previous ones and so you will feel less bad when using them.
Lmao true, whenever I'm about to doubt about playing the same characters for the millionth time, Hoyo reminds me there are some really dogshit options out there
Lynette is good though, with only issue being a competitive roster she has to compete against. Sucrose competes via TTDS in mono elemental teams and Kazuha is the premium version of Lynette. Then there is Heizhou with high damage skill and raw damage, but that is besides the point. Lynette does fine, only missing on a stronger CC, either via wider and more effective taunt, or stronger pull on C1, and if it is to sell solution. Wish it was more effective rather than mid pull of C1 pull.
Yeah. I am traveler main. My exploration team is C2 HMC, Lynet C1, Dehya C0 and Wanderer on protype R5 as the healer and dmg dealer and climber and yeah.... XD I currently know what Dehya is desinged to do - you can swim with her and you dont need any heals :) so finally I can use her and not feel bad.
I just accept reality that the true role of MC is just for mascot and to solve puzzles so we can collect enough primos to rizz up local waifus and husbandos. Still gonna build anyway... same reason i built all the other MCs...Because there is no endgame content.😅
Clearly it's always the even ones that are good. Anemo is a bit 'eh, Geo was nice, electro was meh, dendro was cool, and now since hydro is worst, clearly next one will be best! (goes into coma from copium overdose).
Lynette is not a bad character overall, there are 4* units that are far worse than her. She works with no problem in some comps and does decent damage (mine has Skyward Blade), her taunt is good, has synergy with many characters including obviously Lyney, and I think she is much more fun to play than Sucrose. Not to mention her design is amazing (top 3 4-star character with no doubt for me) and I also loved the calm attitude they gave her and her role in the story. Plus, if you want to build her to do damage, you HAVE to bring her to level 90 as soon as possible, because her ascension stat is Anemo DMG.
@@HazZzel- Yep. She is really good if paired with Lyney in a mono pyro team, but can work almost everywhere if you play her as a sort of hybrid between sub DPS and swirl support.
@@zagreus2049 I like that all I have to do is burst with her and I don't really need a sheilder for Lyney (in most scenarios.) Overall I think people have been way too critical of her because she's not "Kazuha level"
@@HazZzel-Kazuha remains and forever will be a broken character, but Lynette can be a nice alternative to try in some teams. Especially if you have her at least C4 or C6, and obviously assuming a high level of investment.
@WraazzIf you consider them as pure supports, yes, the standard is high. She, though, fills a new niche, hybrid between off field DPS and swirl support (that's why you want to get her to C6 or at least C4 as soon as possible), which is nice to me, and has some unique abilities (taunt, for example) that other anemo characters don't have. I mean, Lynette doesn't reach the level of Kazuha, obviously, but that's because she is designed to be played a bit differently.
Collei also solved the issue where you needed archers and dendro characters for puzzle, as not everybody would pull for Tighnari and because no one had great dendro application before Nahida, Collei and DMC was a must. I still use Collei a lot, specially on Abyss in my Ayaka Fridge teams, while freeing my Nahida for the other team. Lynette is the only Ousia character we have for now and the only fish, and her passive is good to explore a bit faster because of water stamina regen, and her kit ain't so bad, specially in teams like Hyperbloom/Fridge. So I can definitely see the comparisons. I'm using her a lot alongside Kokomi, since Fontaine's craftable sword and the Fontaine crit set and her kit plays a lot with HP variation, which synergize with an overhealer like Kokomi.
@shamelblack4559 yeah but Geo MC suffers from the same issues as every other geo char, only reasonably good in mono geo teams. (Well except for Zhongli ofc)
@bao1964 Sure, you could say GMC does benefit from mono Geo just like any other Geo character. However, Mono Geo didn't become a thing until Goro's release during Inazuma. Geo traveler was already viable before Inazuma as a solo Geo character. Hence, that argument only adds value to GMC (as it makes him even stronger in Mono Geo), not detract from his value. Other Geo characters (Zhongli excluded) NEED Mono Geo to be viable. That's the difference.
Pyronado DMG will snapshot Xiangling's stats at the third swing during casting and will not be affected by changes in her stats that occur afterwards. Once a Pyronado deals DMG, it has a 0.6s cooldown before being able to deal DMG to the same target again. It can deal DMG more than once per rotation if its hitbox remains in contact with an enemy for more than 0.6s. Xiangling will perform 3 Pyro swings in a small area around her at the start of the skill, before summoning the actual Pyronado. If Xiangling's 4th constellation is not unlocked, the Pyronado will hit enemies 7-8 times.
Almost positive HMC is the way they are because we don't have a free hydro bow character, and they wanted to make ranged puzzles in Fontaine that were still doable with free units. No idea what they were going for with the burst, though. It's just bad, and the high energy cost is ridiculous.
I haven't found any puzzle that specifically required a Hydro bow. Actually, even those hydro pots, having a hydro character just makes them faster to do, just like Having Lynette use her Ousia instead of taking an Ousia sphere somewhere.
@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person The only time I remember a puzzle required a hydro bow was GAA 1.6 but that was 2 years ago and not even relevant anymore so yeah lol
I really wanted Lynette to have good grouping with C1. As someone who doesn't have Zhongli and probably wants to avoid pulling him, but also wants to play Ganyu melt (or maybe even Lyney), I'm hoping her burst taunt makes it a lot more comfortable.
Same here as a long time Hutao vape and International teams user and with dendro a hyperbloom fan, I am glad that Lyney in his mono pyro is good enough to not fall behind at all. (and he isn't even ascended past 80 and his talents are only 7/7/7 without his signature bow or artifact set.) I can understand people not liking his gameplay but I think Hoyo did an excellent job of making him really good/competitive within his niche like how well they did with Nilou and her niche.
true, I didn't expect a mono-pyro carry to be so good and so fun also idk if this is a hot take but personally he's a lot more fun than tighnari and melt ganyu
@@oliviaaargh I think so too. I absolutely hate charged shot gameplay and even with Tighnari, his quickswap style works against him imo if you don't have Yae Miko. I have her but I don't usually like to put her on teams if she isn't the main DPS. Lyney's kit between his CA, skill, and burst is more interactive because of his stack mechanic so he feels much better to play
I pulled for him and his weapon purely for the designs, and I feel like I got VERY lucky because I only have him half built and I'm already happy with him. at least in the overworld (which is all I care about anyway), I don't feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot playing him over other teams I'm more used to. I didn't even think I would like a charged attack bow user at all because of my horrible aim, but again, I'm pretty happy playing him.
Lyney really is the epitome of the problem with genshin balance and kit design. If his numbers werent as absurdly high as they are, he would be so fkn bad its not even funny. Every character, no matter how fun or smooth their kits can be, are only at the mercy of hoyo numbers balance.
@@eee33645 Whether a character is good or not is decided by numbers, not how good a kit is designed or how fun to play it is. They could make Amber the best character in the game by just pumping her Q numbers to absurd degrees. I assume the commenter is talking about how chargeshot characters are inherently flawed and anti fun but if they do enough damage people will still play them despite the scuff.
What I like about this, and something I think some people will ignore when criticising Lyney, is that he isn't a direct upgrade from other mono-pyro teams. But he also isn't a downgrade. It gives people a new playstyle for that team setup, which is perfect. He's not a necessity. He won't break your game. But if you're a Ganyu enjoyer for example, you'll probably like his gameplay and it gives us more options that don't replace existing characters or make him too weak to use
My last hope for Lynette is Yae Aggravate. C6 autos and some heavy investment might make her worth keeping yae off field longer, so as to proc the new off field skill damage set
The usual issue remains that the team is functional enough, but if you used Sucrose instead in that team you would get much better grouping and much better team buffs.
I mean it is pretty simple if we bein real^^ what is the main strength of hydro? Fast and frequent application. So how to make a bad hydro Unit? Give them bad application. And since travellers numbers are always shit, they got NOTHIN going for them^^
I feel like Lynette is supposed to be built with the new crit rate set for overworld especially for newer players who don't have the 5 star anemo / movement characters yet as she's given out for free.
@@kuronekosama6125geo mc was fine. not the best but deals somewhat meaningful damage and some nice crit buff. the only notable downside of geomc is that theyre geo lol
@@tarinm9430 anemo can be good in extremely situational cases, mostly the defend the towers where anemo can reset aggro. BUT thats floor 11 and is usually easy enough without reseting aggro
@@astrokitty.404he looks more like the hydro dragon since whenever he felt sad during the archon quests it ended up raining just like that story of freminet
It's fine bro. Hydro traveler can Jump, Open their glider, has a basic attack animation, can run and sprint, and they can climb, they can even swim. Hydro traveler has everything you need to play every content that the genshin team will pump out. It can complete every minigame. That's what this game's all about anyways.
thinking about it, why do some abilities snapshot while others dont anyway? like, is it an oversight or something? xq is an early character and he doesnt snapshot so its defo not a technical issue so why do some skills snapshot in the first place?
@@tarinm9430 They backpedaled all of the snapshot somwhere at the middle of the genshin lifecylce. Before that hineous silent rework almost everything in the game snapshoted. THen they realised that everyone starts with bennet ultimate, so they killed it.
It's amazing how hoyo managed to make one of the best elements in game bad with hydro mc. I applauded them 😂 And it all could be slightly fixed if only the burst worked like Ayaka's burst does, and it stops the moment it hits an enemy.
That's what I'm doing, problem is I hadn't build Faruzan or Yun Jin yet, so in the process right now as well Lynette herself. 45k-50k on her skill so far and 10-15k on her normals with my half built team and no set bonuses.
ngl the only reason i'm playing hydro mc and lynette is for their allignement in exploration, she still have the dull blade and no artifacts but she's doing her job
At this rate Pyro traveller is just going to yeet Paimon who set on fire And Cryo traveller just makes a fuc*ing igollo which HAS NO OTHER PURPOSE EXCEPT PROTECT THE ENEMY 🗿
Lyney is my first 5 star male I got on purpose. He feels really pleasant to play with! And of course, even if Lynette is bad, she is playing in his team.
i'd love to see some tests with lyney on fully/partly reaction focused teams, that's not what he is made for but it would be fun and informative to see you figuring out what other teams he could be played on, with a comparison to his clearly intended mono pyro team and maybe what would be needed for him to work well enough in a reaction team
They will continue to say it too, once they made up their mind, their is no changing it. I saw an f2p showcase of Lyney, Hutao and Yoimiya in different situations and the time clears were very similar yet people in the comments were saying yoimiya is trash (despite in certain situation having faster clear time then Hutao and that Lyney was pathetically weak but he was not built as optimal as the other 2 and did not fall behind at all, he beat Hutao in one of the rounds. Hutao came out on top in one round too but not in all rounds.
I usually despise charged attack users and bow characters in general. Most of my bow users only use their skill and burst and never their regular bow attacks. But, I actually really like Lyney’s kit. His regular attacks, skill, and burst just feel a lot more cohesive and it would be nice to play him with a good shielder or interruption resistance. I already have Xiangling, Bennett, and Zhongli built so Lyney would slot in perfectly. His animations and exploration passive are also amazing. BUT, I unfortunately am saving my 240ish wishes (so far) for C2 Zhongli and don’t want to risk depleting my savings in case I have rotten luck…maybe I’ll pull on Lyney’s re-run. 😕
Oooh I like that idea! That would have been SO cool. A grouping mechanism that isn't anemo would be neat to see (even though taunts technically count right? Like monas skill etc.) and hydro would be perfect for it. A whirlpool sucking in enemies makes so much sense, I'm surprised it isn't a thing yet. A geo character that has a quicksand ability or something too? Idk.
@redsy-k well taunt doesn't distract all enemies, some enemies will still be locked onto you. Crowd control forces most of te enemies into a certain aoe. Ngl hydro crowd control would've been crazy (hydro application and dealing dmg at certain intervals). Imagine nahida raiden-hyperbloom, rosaria-wanderer freeze, kuki/lisa taser.
Can you compare Liney with Klee and calculate both of them in same teams? Looks like Klee have more abilities, teams, comfort, mechanics (broken shimenava and other things) and her damage looks bigger than new Fontaine pyro-character.
I use HMC in a Nilou team in overworld. Worse than literally every other option, but at least it properly works. And pew-pew to create blooms is funny.
I have a feeling you will be mandated to use Hydro traveler if you dont get Furina since Neuvillwtte uses the same Sourcewater Droplets that Hydro MC uses. Hydro MC w Is basically good by association, and that only. Only benfit of Hydro traveler is the association with Fontaine themes of pneumosia alignment and sourcewater droplet production. Tell me if I'm wrong after 4 or 5 updates when we get a hydro character beyond Furina's release.
Reason to play Lynette: > she's cute af Day 3 after Fontaine, I have C2 Lynette lvl 90, talents 199 ready to go. I'm honestly tempting to pull C2 Yelan just to get C6 Lynette
Some opinions on a character releasing with a new region who can't be maxed right away is good, with regards to Lyney. Would do well to temper the day 1 videos that come out saying every single character is broken that's for sure.
Only good thing about Lynette not snap shotting is she can be used before Bennet burst in Lyney team to give Lyney more buff time for non-perfect rotations
I like how chat have the hivemind to always to do mean memes to not good characters and insults the people who like them, do 36* in abyss make them permanent brain damage.
I've always tried to use the MC in new regions. In overworld electro MC had massive issues, but was at least usable. Hydro MC is absolutely useless in every regard. Even just running around overworld, I just can't with how bad they are.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Hydro MC. I try to play Childe. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Ayato. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Lyney. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I want to play Nilou. Her best team has Hydro MC. I want to play Neuvillette, Wriothesley - they both want Hydro MC. He grabs me by the throat. I swim for him. I grind for him. I give him Sac. He isn't satisfied. I pull Skyward Blade. "I don't need this much er" He tells me. "Give me more field time." He grabs Focalors and forces her to be Burst Bot. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Mistsplitter." I can't pull for Mistsplitter, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his Aquatic Saber. He says "Hydration!." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, Standart ICD(2.5s/3 Hits) Hydro application. What a cruel world.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Hydro MC. I try to play Childe. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Ayato. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Lyney. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I want to play Nilou. Her best team has Hydro MC. I want to play Neuvillette, Wriothesley - they both want Hydro MC. He grabs me by the throat. I swim for him. I grind for him. I give him Sac. He isn't satisfied. I pull Skyward Blade. "I don't need this much er" He tells me. "Give me more field time." He grabs Focalors and forces her to be Burst Bot. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Mistsplitter." I can't pull for Mistsplitter, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his Aquatic Saber. He says "Hydration!." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, Standart ICD(2.5s/3 Hits) Hydro application. What a cruel world.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Hydro MC. I try to play Childe. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Ayato. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I try to play Lyney. My Hydro MC deals more damage. I want to play Nilou. Her best team has Hydro MC. I want to play Neuvillette, Wriothesley - they both want Hydro MC. He grabs me by the throat. I swim for him. I grind for him. I give him Sac. He isn't satisfied. I pull Skyward Blade. "I don't need this much er" He tells me. "Give me more field time." He grabs Focalors and forces her to be Burst Bot. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Mistsplitter." I can't pull for Mistsplitter, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his Aquatic Saber. He says "Hydration!." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, Standart ICD(2.5s/3 Hits) Hydro application. What a cruel world.
