The hydrogen compression series is NOT dead. We have scrapped the Hydrotube and are using a much safer cell for compression. Cell will be available soon for purchase: www.greenfuelh2...
WOW. This completely knocks ALL the others out of the water. I've been wanting to put my 79 F100 351C on H2O for ages, but the systems have been so bulky. This design is the best I've seen so far. Excellent work Steve. Can't wait to see this available in a kit for vehicles. Cheers from Australia :-)
Hi Steve, I love this new seperator cell. Please upload the compression video quickly. I can't wait to see it. The new cell is shown begining with 02:30
Have you done any pressure tests on this particular cell yet to see what it's capable of holding. The more pressure you can get in that cell the less power it's going to consume to compress the gas using a compressor. For instance if the cell could go up to 200 PSI then that would pretty much take out a couple of stages in a multi-stage high compression compressor so it would be more efficient. Since it's a non permeable membrane you should be able to pressurize the cell much higher than the previous design. You can get a reasonably priced high pressure compressor that is used for refilling cartridges on paintball guns. You probably already thought of that.
I didn't think about paintball compressors. Thanks for the idea! The cell has been tested up to 60 psi but I don't want to blow out a membrane. They are so expensive! I'll use a compressor to get to higher pressure. I hope all is well with you Tyson.
Have you ever attempted to run this system on reverse osmosis water rather than distilled? I'm curious if that is viable, as it would be much easier to keep the system supplied with water than distillation.
In theory, could you increase output my creating a larger surface area? Is the size you built motivated by existing plate templates for your tube electrolyzer or membrane supply size?
Ah, the fossil fuel mess ! Fossil fuels have created more wealth and progress than any other single thing, except maybe, capitalism. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any other thing. Again except for capitalism. Everything you own and travel in , uses fossil fuels. The plastics in your cellphone, the rubber in your tires. Even your much vaunted electric cars, use massive amounts of oil in their manufacture and in their makeup. Without fossil fuel/ oil, you wouldn't have any of the modern conveniences you enjoy. Including the device with which you posted this comment. The electricity that powers that device more than likely came from fossil fuel. Unless you're using a solar panel for power. No offense intended, I just get so tired of the hypocrisy. Yea everything I use is powered or made from oil, but I'm anti oil. Okay.
how does the hydrogen move through the Ti? holes in the plate? wouldn't Ti be susceptible to embrittlement? why is the polymer platinum doped, wouldn't it be non reactive inside a polymer and could use something more conductive? why is this more efficient, I thought polymers are less conductive over water?
One liter a minute is not enough gas to heat a 1000 square foot house with, I don't know how much I need but I really don't think that's enough even after it is scaled up. How can I calculate how much I need to heat my house? I was thinking if I run it on demand as needed and mix the oxygen back in I should not need as much hydrogen because it will burn hotter. Hey, did you do the video of the guy in Germany or Austria who was heating his house on HHO or did you just repost someone elses video? Thanks man
I saw a tube going from your hydrogen separator back to your water tank. How does that work? Is it clamped off and you have to let water drain back into the storage tank once in a while? If you just left it open, wouldn't you have trouble keeping your gases separated because of pressure differences? I'm really curious how you're doing that because I'm building something similar. I HATE how, with PEM cells, water migrates through the membrane along with protons and goes out the H2 output.
@@Hydrogen4Health I found a Chinese company selling those separators with a floater inside that seals it until the water level rises. I totally understand them now. Instead of ordering one (shipping costs about as much as the unit itself!), I decided to just run a line to a valve back to the tank. As long as I have pressure on the hydrogen side, I can transfer water back to the tank by slightly opening that valve every now and then. I usually have some pressure on the H2 side because I often fill balloons. Ehhhh, good enough for now!
Legend of the Stormlord I’m going to tell you how we did it with permeable membrane. Put a middle valve on the oxygen side for adjustment of oxygen release. Use an electrical water level float on the oxygen side to open the middle valve to let out some oxygen pressure when needed. You can build a lot of pressure and never breach the membrane using this method.
Una maravilla realmente my friend esos nuevos generadores con electrolitos de polimeros solidos. Dios te siga dando sabiduría en tus trabajos. Muchisimas gracias por compartir. Me podrias decir como van colocadas esas placas ? Comenzando del esterior Es decir comienza con negativos o positivos,? Y al parecer no lleva placas neutrales. Es asi ? My friend
Hi Delvis, you've made a fantastic membrane cell, hat off! May you be interested in raising the hydrogen production of your brand new cell (1.5/2 LPM in place of the current 0.9/1.1 LPM) lowering, at the same time the power consumption to a 1/10? Say 15 Watts instead of the current 150 Watts...
What if you needed a constant rate of 3.4 lpm? Could you make a larger drycell to accommodate that? Also if you wanted to make it portable say to power your car, would you be able to use the on board alternator as a sufficient source of power? Also, can you safely compress an auxiliary amount of hydrogen for the initial start of the engine?
so damm good project im trying starting some research on this types of separators, you produce Oxigen on the -side and hydrogen on the +side but you are make + - + - pattern and suposoly you producing H on one side and O on the other side can you explain ?
Because there is only 4 plates with 2 gaps. It needs 2 volts per gap. I use a 5v PSU but if you put 3 of these in series it could be run off a 12v PSU.
@@Hydrogen4Health Hi, can you explain me how to convert 150 watts in 1 min = 1 liter to kwh/m3 ? This is to calculate efficiency with respect hhv or lhv Because I am confuse in the use of power which it would be watts per second over 1 min and convert that to energy by m3 My math give me that it is 2.5kwh/Nm3 which is impossible because that is lower than the hhv of h2 which is 3.54kwh/Nm3, it would be like a 142% of efficiency which is impossible.
@@Hydrogen4Health Great, I'd like to buy 1. How can I place an order? Can you provide me with the component list and directions to build a functional unit with my purchase? or is this video enough? Are there any safety concerns I need to be aware of using this for breathing and the operation in general?
Steve I'd like to buy your new machine & fill multiple tanks of gas for the winter season. My questions are will this be safe enough to store in multiple large tanks for long periods of time? & if so can I store the tanks in an underground vault during the winter season without the cold weather effecting the tanks full of gas? & would it be just as safe as heating my house from these hho tanks just as propain or natural gas does? Thanks buddy!
Thanks for these videos! Something doesnt add up when I do the numbers myself. You power your system with 5V*30A=150W. You make 1L/min, that's circa 0.07kg. With a Lower Heating Value of 120 MJ/kg, you would get 180W of heating power from the hydrogen you produce, while only spending 150W on producing it. How did you break that loop ;) ?
That's because his flow meter is wrong. That PEM electrolyzer he showed in this video is only two electrolytic cells in series. I think he raised the voltage a little at the end and I thought I saw the multimeter at 35 or 36 amps. Even at that amount of current, 1 LPM of H2 isn't possible. Faraday's constant is 96485 coulombs, so x2 = 192970 amp seconds for one mole. At room temp, the ideal gas is about 24L / mol (22.4 at 0C). So 192970 / 24 = 8040 amp seconds per litre. Divide that by 60 and you need 134 amps to get 1 LPM. But that is for one cell. For two cells (in his case), divide by 2 and you get 67 amps. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get 1LPM from two cells at under 67 amps. It's an exact science. In fact, you can use the reading from a built-in ammeter to determine LPM rather than using a flow meter.
@@ChristmasEve777 how much H2 you estimate an average small car would need to run on 100% H2? Here in Brazil we have cars using GNV (basically methane CH4) and the consuption is around 18M3 per hour.
The system has to run for 1 minute to produce 1 liter, so 2.5Wh = 9000J are invested. The resulting 1 liter hydrogen weights 89.6mg = about 1000J. So about 11% efficient.
Couldn't you hook these PEM cells up to capture the Oxygen, and just feed the Hydrogen and Oxygen into a Hydrogen Fuel Cell and pull all the power you need? I get the conservation of energy concept, but where exactly would the loss be? I get it eats the electrolyte platinum over time, but isn't that the only loss if it were a closed loop system?
Hey I was studing about PEM systems and I have some questions. Can you help me? Thats only one plate with positive and negative entrys of energy? The oxigen will be generated in the middle container and of course the hidrogen in the sides ones. But at the positive way have another plate between the hidrogen exit. Did I understand correctly? Do I need isolate completely the plates of the water or just seal the sides? Please if you could answer-me I will really appreciate. I'm really excited about build my own one. Ass: Mateus
@@Hydrogen4Health thanks to answer-me. I have another question: Do the membrane have rolls? Im really trying to understand this, but is really complicated. Can you show into the cell? Just a few pictures will help a lot. Sorry for my English Im from Brazil and Im not completely fluently.
@@Hydrogen4Health Ohh, I fogot that you dont need electrolyte in water. I will try to make generator for pure hydrogen with elecrtolyte in water. What type of membrane you recommend?
when you see the vacumn go to zero when you turn off the pump, you know that air is leaking back into the vessel. you should use air conditioning hoses that have a valve at the end and then purge using pressurized nitrogen. standard air conditioning practice.
Please draw a drawing for the hydrogen production because it is not clear to explain, or if it is possible to open one of the hydrogen production units and talk about it
