Hyundai IONIQ 5 Road & Track Test Drive 

That's the problem with a lot of "reviews" these days. Few reviewers go beyond what is immediately obvious and don't take the time to learn a vehicles full capabilities or even read the manual so they miss features that people who own the vehicles are fully aware of and appreciate.

I think he was referring to the complexity of using shift paddles. People still judge cars by stuff and cup holders... The less physical things in your car like buttons knobs paddles the less things that break. The easier the car is to build. The price goes down. Smartphones are perfect example. If people had it their way we'd still have blackberries with keyboards.... Cars should not be designed by a panel of people trying to make everybody happy.. You always end up with a silver crossover with a gear shifter in the center console...

@@davidhumeston5292 not sure I get your point, but the Ioniq 5 has the gear selector on the column and a center console that slides forward and back, on the Limited trim.

@@davidhumeston5292 I understand where you are coming from but that doesn't mean having mechanical controls is worse for the consumer simply because they exist. Having to turn on a car and navigate a touch screen to open the glove box with an electro mechanical actuator vs a 25 cent mechanical latch based on a 100 year old proven design is not reducing complexity or improving ergonomics or reliability it's making it worse. The fact that the HMI (human machine inteface) is a simple screen is irrelevant if the underlying hardware is overly complex and prone to failure. There are just as many poorly made electro mechanical actuators and circuit boards as there are poorly made knobs and switches. None of the physical controls in my 1992 Miata I owned as a daily driver from new until 2018 broke. Ironically the only thing that did break was the power windows. There is a reason why luxury cars with all the automatic bells and whistles are an absolute nightmare to own as they age vs a car with simple and robust physical controls and simple electronics. Last year I paid $200 for a new old stock toaster designed in 1940's that is 100% mechanical with no electronics whatsoever. It lowers and raises the toast automatically without even touching it and toasts better than almost every modern toaster on the market today by measuring the temperature of the toast rather than using a timer. They are known to last for more than 60 years of daily use and some people hand them down to their grand children who carry on using them.

@@theslimeylimey Awesome comment! 👏👏👏👏 I think exactly the same 👍👍

User error lol guy doesn’t seem know how to know the driving rules

Absolutely on both. I have the I5 and I just tried the auto lane change for the 1st time. Very impressive

@@sirdewd2197 Nor how the car works that he is test driving. Maybe it he that is getting tested.

exactly

Good point there. Another use case for them is to modulate a safer turning in icy/snowy road conditions.

I leave regen in high and modulate the accelerator pedal to adjust regen to the exact level needed per whatever grade I'm on. Near infinite and instantaneous level of control vs three levels.

@@cdbuiles absolutely. Don't have that experience yet, but what I've seen in the last couple of weeks it does seem to make a difference.

@@bobthebuilder372 true. but on long decent I prefer do drive it like a "normal" car. so instead of selecting the right gear to let it coast at a constant speed it adjust the regen.

TBF the 12000$ Tesla system will also choose when to change lanes automatically, and also works every time.

As an owner of an Ioniq 5, I can confirm that this ADAS is nothing like the $12k FSD option on Tesla. HDA2 works well enough to make highway driving more relaxed, but it doesn't navigate on the AP. Yes, it does do automated lane change, but it doesn't prompt you like Tesla. The ADAS is completely disconnected from the navigation system, so it doesn't know that you have to move left/right. But where the difference is really huge is in city driving. We now see where FSD is going with all the Beta videos, and Hyundai is years behind. If you use the steering assistant, you will find that it will disengage regularly in the middle of a turn (and not signalling that it disengages). Or if you're on the adaptive cruise control, and the car in front of you moves to a different lane, the car may accelerate right into a line of cars waiting for a traffic light. It accelerates fiercely in a bend, because it only 'looks' straight ahead. Then has to brake hard after the bend as the car in front comes back into view.

My only concern with the side camera view on the dash is that the driver doesn’t look at the lane they are entering.

The blind spot camera is part of the standard autopilot package on the Tesla, it was introduced with their latest big update.

@@ralphrietveld So, no audible or haptic warning? If I put on my left turn signal in a Model 3/Y, I have to look to my right to see a blind spot camera so that I don't run into a vehicle that I should be able to see in my mirror if I do some thorough checking? I can't look left and right at the same time. On the Ioniq 5, it appears that the blind spot camera image appears in the corresponding side of the instrument panel display. Yet another reason that cars should have an instrument panel, not just a big tablet in the center stack. Do the S/X have the blind spot camera views on the instrument panel? I'll stand by my original comment that cars should provide audible and even haptic warnings when you're going to do something bad. My backup monitoring system goes out of its way to let me know I'm getting too close to a curb when parking, I think it would be handy to get some warnings when changing lanes at 70 mph.

Most don't get it till they try it.

Sounds useless and dangerius,dangerous, distractions,not knowing when,or if it does something. Why is it considered progress to keep adding useless unproven functions,to confuse further

Yep... I turned it off in my ioniq.

@@cengeb Unfortunately we are all paying money to beta test products for companies. Beta testing used to be a job you were paid for.

@@hankkingsley9183 Using public roads like Teste does for testing is CRIMINAL, with the software that is marketed as it is, when it ain't what it's claimed. That's why VW has it's own test tracks around the world, as do other real car makers. Regulatory agency need to crack down on teste and his hype. The marketing has lots of false claims.

False claims that kill, cus idiots actually think cars can drive themselves....VW paid $30 Billion for false claims on emissions, Tesla is even worse, it's killed many, VW didn't.

Yeah but the paddles sadly don't have a Tesla logo on them and are automatically useless and bad design :)

@@renatonovak9688 Childish remark

Some people like cars that rattle and squeak (Novak) , Love the paddles use them all the time. 5 years of enjoyment. Take Care.

This is one of the worst things Tesla did, and it was solely to keep costs down. Everything on the freaking screen. I don't want my steering wheel controls to be like an F1 car, but I also don't want to constantly turn my eyes to the side reach out to the side navigate through menus. What I'd really like to know is which of these cars handles voice commands appropriately? Are any of them even remotely reliable? This is never tested by anyone as far as I can see. From watching videos I would largely assume it's not available. As to putting the region controls on the paddles, I think it's a great idea. If nothing else it gives you an opportunity to feel a little bit engaged, kind of like shifting down.

@@Paul-pj5qu You don't need your eyes on the display in a Tesla, just use voice commands for nearly everthing.

@@channel4ferrets So many people don't know about this, it's kinda ridiculous at this point... Tesla voice commands are 100x better than other cars I've been in, Porsche, Lexus, Mercedes, etc. It's almost like using Siri or Google Assistant which is very impressive from a car company.

@@channel4ferrets good to know. Do you ever see anyone test it or did they just go to the screen all the time? I still think as long as you're driving the car I'd like to have the speed front and center and possibly a map. Anyway, thanks it's good to know you can use voice commands.

@@robotpirateisland3430 that's about the only time I see voice commands is when Matt over at carwell is testing a BMW or a Mercedes and all the sudden it just starts yapping at him when he hasn't even asked it anything.

my Bolt has a regen brake paddle on the left of the steering wheel. I can make it come to a complete stop. I use it all of the time.

They never went away... more cars than ever have then now. In fact every major brand from Ford to GM, Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, and everything in between has at least one model on which HUD is standard or available as an option.

Because most of the team has no clue how to review or drive a car

@@djemcee ….Thank you….after the 4th time the driver said “Hondai” I knew they were idiots.

Im other words: it was clear but car wasnt confident/capable.

@@badema2638 NO, WHY WOULD THE CAR GET BEHIND SLOWER CARS? IF LEFT ALONE IT WOULD HAVE PASSED THE SLOWER CARS THEN CHANGE LANES.

@@MICHGO1 1. Max speed is hardcoded to not go over it. 2. even that is hard, a neural net is like a child that was Born like today and you teach it only one thing it will take time but until it figures Out gravity and physics and also time it cant drive

Got to be. But he has to be an enormous guy as well. The car interior is HUGE!

On the freeway I would always be on AP. That is much more efficient. Never change my regen on the Tesla because of this.

i also available on 2018 outlander phev

Agreed! Coasting is awesome. Lots of model 3 drivers don't seem to understand that coasting has a lot less wasted energy than 1 pedal driving (with constant regen). The model 3 does have a point where it does indeed coast. But it's almost impossible to maintain. Fine tuning your right foot to keep it in the coasting sweet spot is a pain. Much better to put the regen to 0 in the ioniq and just let it go.

@@ChristianLanctot exactly right!

@@colinpalmer9070 AP isn't efficient. You can't use hypermiling techniques in AP. That's what the paddles are for; they're great tools for hypermiling efficiency.

Dang, I never even got that far. Cheers. Someone told me the other day they call it the "Wind Knife" Love mine but getting the Ioniq 5.

Hyundai and Kia models (5, EV6, Kona, Niro) all have regen paddles with full stop capability, that BTW does not change the regen setting. The paddles are great. Removing them would be a minus. Shocked that Munro Associates does not have enough experience in EVs to know their value and appears to be on an ideological bent to remove every handy feature on a car and throw it on a screen.

@@jhindson88 eh, putting it in software saves million of dollars in parts when talking mass market scale. Legacy auto needs all the savings they can get in transitioning to survive long enough to reach healthy profitability. Guess there needs to be a balance in customer preference and product margin.

Funny you say that, because here in Europe most people still drive manual shift ICE, but when you buy an EV they still make have the "creep" setting enabled, which is dumb because no one is used to cars creeping forward when they are stopped (as you would just shift the car to neutral so that you dont have to keep pressing the clutch). My point is that they could get rid of that and it wouldn't be an issue, as they are doing exactly the opposite in Europe and it's fine.

I'm 6'3 and 225 lbs. Plenty of room for tall drivers in the Ionic. Better than my Mercedes.

Lots of people say that.. I have hated every car HUD I have ever seen. It might be an age thing..

@@TheEvilmooseofdoom That surprises me. The first time I saw it, I loved it. It was one of those things I didn't know I wanted until I had it. 🙂

Teslas display of speed and nav is absolutely horrible, stupid cost saving gimmick, if they actually cared about safety the eyes need to stay on the road.

@@dea4017 I agree. I’ve concluded that Teslas are ‘riders’ cars, not ‘drivers’ cars. They’re designed for FSD, so you just sit there and get driven around by AI. This is an enormous blind spot in their business model.

@@slicksalmon6948 I’ve had lots of cars, and lots of “driver’s cars”, and performance cars, and my Model 3 performance is by far the best I’ve had. Period!

That being said. My experience is with a 2019 Honda Civic. I watched the iONIQ5 video and it reminded me of what I have already experienced. I have not experienced Tesla Auto Pilot or FSD other than in video. It would be nice to see what that is like in the real world myself.

Actually I think this one senses touch. On mine I just hold the bottom and it’s good. The teslas need a tug. This one feels more like our old CRV.

he's probably looking at it from the manufacturing perspective.

I didn’t try that. Back to the highway for me. Weeeee. Love this car

You need to constantly adjust the regen on backroads?

@@TheEvilmooseofdoom (Kona) It's not even just the backroads. Just regular suburban streets. Sometimes you want single pedal driving in a small city downtown so you put it in level 3. Sometimes you want it to coast forever. I often find myself coasting to a stop using only different levels of regen before holding the paddle down to full stop. (Kona only does single pedal driving down to creap speeds.) holding the left paddle adds a fifth level or regen and brings you to a stop. I don't think of it like regen as much as a drag setting. I play with it all the time. It gives you many different driving style options.

The Kona EV is the same way. I have it set to maximum. It reduces a lot of the fine movement you need to do so it helps with driving fatigue and also gives you another form of road sense. If you were to look away from the road you can still feel where you are in the lane by the direction and force feedback the stearing gives you. It's one of those things you incorporate into your driving style. (along with the instant acceleration that EVs have. When I drive my wife's Subaru Forester it feels like a tractor. I'm swerving all over the lane and the acceleration is so slow and delayed. ...and the noise it makes... Like a nest of hornets was just kicked under the hood. I always have to ask her if this is the sound of normal operation.

The Mach-E is not jerky at all when in Blue Cruise or Intelligent Cruise Control. When in normal driving with Lane Assist enabled the car will not take control until you start to get to the edges of the lane, where it will then keep you in the lane and warn you that you were drifting out of the lane. There is a graphic that illustrates it, haptic feedback in the steering wheel, and a chime to alert you.

People need to try the paddles to see what they do, not think what they do. It is a hands-on thing. Like sex.

Yeah! It is been that way for years and years with the Hyundais and a few other manufacturers. Had it since 2016 in the Hyundai Ioniq EV. Lovely feature. It is something Tesla should learn. It irritates me to no end that you can’t turn off automatic regen in the Tesla.

the BEST part , is no part in the FIRST place.

@@markplott4820 Best for WHO? Why have ANY parts AT ALL then, just WALK.

@@markplott4820 for the manufacture's bean counters yes but not necessarily for the consumer. Tesla puts minimalist idealistic style ahead of usability which is why other manufacturers still have physical controls when it would be cheaper for them to use a tablet for everything like Tesla. There's a reason why many people including myself pay double or triple for mechanical computer keyboards.

@@theslimeylimey - Physical controls and buttons are an OUTDATED paradiem. its why the iPad has no keyboard as Standard. its already CHEAPER to do what Tesla is doing and by DELETING physical controls the car RELIABILITY goes UP , and COSTS come way down. but LUCID and Mercedes are WASTING IP and money with Large Panoramic Displays that COST too much and offer LTTTLE Features. LEGACY auto Does NOT understand what VERTICAL INTERGRATION means. and LEGACY will Always be 7 - 10 years BEHIND Tesla. even their SOFTWARE is like form the 1990's, what a JOKE.

all these BEV makers are just Jockeying for a DISTANT 2nd place after TESLA.

Even though I am all in with Tesla stocks with over 800K invested, I am disappointed with Tesla making their M3 and MY more expensive and out of reach mor many consumers. I was so happy at one point when the M3 SR+ was priced at $38K in the U.S. For now, Tesla is also putting the $25K model on hold, maybe for good?

@@tbvv6729 - Tesla is ONLY company with $80 Billion backlog and product DEMAND, it is SUPPLY constraint, so it HAS TO raise prices, would be UNSUSTAINABLE otherwise, this is the ECONOMIC of production. as TESLA catches up in production, prices will be reduced as soon as they can. the Model 3 & Y are Tesla MOST important cars, Tesla is focus on production & RAMP. the $25k car is UNIMPORTANT. the Model 3 w/ Gigacasting and LFP battery is the $25k car. but have not scaled yet.

@@markplott4820 I understand supply and demand. This “shortage” caused by the chips issue and Elon selling Teslas in more markets is temporary. The price hike may be permanent once Tesla and Elon gets too comfortable with the high profit margins per vehicle. By the way, stop typing in CAPS. If you were talking to me like this on the street. You would be punched in the face.

@@tbvv6729 - not, so much chips , Tesla is able to repurpose chips, but Supply Shortage in general, labor shortage. FALSE, Tesla is expanding markets and saving CAPEX using Austin & Berlin. Austin is already operational and will Deliver cars soon, Berlin is still making test production cars, but should be operational in February 2022. but, even w/o Austin & Berlin, Tesla is not even using total capacity at Fremont & China, demand is there, but parts and labor are constraint, just w/ two factory 🏭 Tesla can produce 2M cars per year if fully Ramp . adding Austin & Berlin will be Icing 🎂. China is already HUB for Asia and Oceana. and Berlin will become UK & EU Hub. Fremont, west Hub, Austin East Hub. Tesla now selling in MORE markets like Greece, Singapore and others. but, will do Fine w/o factory 🏭 in INDIA, UK , Russia or Turkey. though a Smart move maybe is GigaOsaka would help Tesla sell better in Asia outside China. Korea, Japan, and SE Asia market.

I live mine. Had Tesla M3 and lots of Hondas in past. My back didn’t last long. Just had a 5 hr trip in I5 2 days in a row. Felt great but everyone is different

Watch out for the charging in low temperatures.

@@shoelessjoe5990 slower, I assume?

@@paullester2535 Scary slow. You don’t have to take my word for it. Just search for it. But for an EV that puts one on its main selling points on charging speed, 40kw/h charging in low temperatures is not that great. The top charging speed starts to fall already when temperatures are below 18 degrees Celsius. Many buyers in Europe now realise what they actually bought back in summer. The car is a great looking fail with problems in so many ways.

@@paullester2535 a lot of complaints here in Germany where they sell the car since August 2021. Most users don't see more than 60 - 80 KW when the tempreture is low. Hyundai is working on it. But you'll need to wait to Summer 2022 until they come up with a solution. But you don't know if they really fixed it or you'll have another nice surprise in Falls / Winter 2022.

@@shoelessjoe5990 that is interesting. I have an i3 (with only

I believe it's a RWD based architecture. So, one motor would be RWD if not two motors.

@@heewoney2 and only the RWD version has a real frunk

I had exactly the same experience test driving the base model. It’s way quicker than I expected and the whole design, comfort and space was really impressive. Like yourself, I would buy if it were a bit cheaper.

@@Rampage1104 yeah, frunks and trunks are way inferior to Tesla but it seems Hyundai all-in'ed into the interior space tho

@@heewoney2 they are nice inside, the glove box and reclining backseat is my favorite detail on the car. The doors, frunk and electrical problems pulls it down for me. Also I'm just looking for something the size of a model y, at a lower price. And this is isn't big enough.

If you want a hud, they're already selling aftermarket ones for the 3 and Y for $500 to $900. Some have touch screen input and everything. Personally, I got used to not having instrument cluster very early and 3 years later I never questioned the decision. I also have FSD and already the need for taking your eyes off the road just to check the speed or directions is starting to feel like a thing of the past.

@@lanzer22 There's a difference between HUD and instrument panel. I've seen the after market instrument panels, which don't interest me. I've had the Navdy in a previous car as an aftermarket HUD, but the integration is lacking. Hence my interest in a fully-integrated solution.

It's just Elon being an idiot, "preparing" people for the (koff, koff) inevitable time when driver controls and displays won't be needed. The problem is he made that change about 20(?) years too soon and the Model 3/Y interiors are utterly driver-hostile from a UI point of view. If I want to adjust heater/AC fan speed, I simply reach for a dial and spin it, WITHOUT LOOKING! Very novel, yes, I know...

@@awebuser5914 For the record, I enjoy the lack of an instrument panel. I'm completely used to the center screen for A/C or media controls (not to mention voice controls). A HUD just seems like a good way to keep Drivers eyes on the road, which is what is implied when the steering wheel is tugged while using Autopilot/FSD. I also have the FSD beta and have been enjoying it, but a bit of information in a HUD would help me know what the computer sees when it acts in ways that I wouldn't expect. Combine that with the fact that other automakers have implemented pretty nice HUDs that have proven useful and it could improve the overall experience by quite a bit while compensating for the lack of a dedicated instrument panel.

hehe that was fun

FALSE, I dont use any Friction brakes on my TESLA , they are brand NEW on a 2016 model. I only use REGEN and its set to Aggressive. so, I get MAX Regen all the time.

I disagree you can adjust the amount of regen on a Tesla by just lifting your foot a little less or a little more as needed. It also stops the car if you lift your foot completely off the pedal.

Thanks

Call Charlie Runyan at Simmons Rockwell Hyundai in Elmira NY. No markup, no add ons.

The interior and exterior are a million miles ahead of Tesla...

For one or two years. Then this design will age fast and miserable. Your Tesla, in contrast, will age like a good wine: During time, it will become just more and more obvious how beautiful it is.

@@0cer0 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

IONIQ 5 looks good, Drives like SHIT.

@@markplott4820 I’ve compared the i5 and the tm3 and if you prefer comfort definitely pick the i5. If you are only into fsd then pick the Tesla. I like the spacious “lounge like cabin” inside the i5 and it is very smooth on the road and it takes away all hard bumps on the road unlike the Tesla . Depends on what person you are. Me, I want to be able to have a calm discussion also in the car while driving at highway speed and the sound isolation is also a big difference between them. I tested the tm3 2022. Speed and efficiency and road control during higher speeds definitely go to Tesla , but then again that doesn’t equal the the overall joy experience of owning a car.

Don’t hold back. My 2+ year old Tesla Model 3 hasn’t needed ANY servicing. I had homelink fitted - all done by mobile service at home.

@@FutureSystem738 Thank you. That is good to know. I just don't know if my experience would be the same in New York State which has done everything possible to keep Tesla out of the market place. Again, thanks for your input.

I agree but not as loud.

Thats not how sae levels work…

Agree.

Your right, SAE does not sufficiently define incremental capabilities so this system is L2, but it doesn't mean I can't define my own terminology to get a point accross on a YT comment.....

Honestly doesn't seem much different than what is in the Palisade Calligraphy from an HSA perspective.

All the reviews complain about the twitchiness of the steering wheel. I wonder if it’s as bad as my polestar. I tried using it a couple of times and the car ping pong so much that it gave everyone motion sickness w less than a minute of usage.