I’m Leaning In To Social Permaculture. A Cure For American Toxic Individualism?

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Toxic individualism is rampant in American culture - and spreading elsewhere. Our cultural belief in self-sufficiency has been twisted into something that is harming each of our households AND our collective society.
There may be a solution to the fracturing our culture and the increasing isolation we feel. And it may lie in permaculture design.
Did you know that permaculture is more than growing food and "green living"? Social permaculture is a crucial element in building sustainable, resilient communities and enhancing our personal wellbeing. Can social permaculture be a cure for the toxic individualism running us into the ground?
A follow-up video responding to comments: What Exactly Is American Toxic Individualism? What Are Its Origins?
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@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Hi, folks. Just a reminder that conspiracy theories will get deleted. Recommendations of non-credible conspiracy theory authors, sources, grifters will get deleted. Racist and xenophobic comments will get deleted. Save your energy and don't bother posting that nonsense bc I will delete it.

@brucedownunda7054 Год назад

So much for " Free Speech "

@TrishHalterman Год назад

@@brucedownunda7054 Free speech doesnt come without consequences.. ;)

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Bruce Downunda really, Bruce? That's the card you wanna play here? Because it's a tired fallacy that we have to give equal voice to all viewpoints even those completely unhinged and uncoupled from reality. That's how our political discourse in this country got to where it is now. Falsehoods and hate do not deserve to be given a platform and validation. This is a private business and it's my channel. I am responsible for the material produced and shared here. That responsibility includes not giving tacit approval to utter nonsense and dangerous racist and inflammatory conspiracy theories.

@tjeanvlogs9894 Год назад

@@brucedownunda7054 She didn't say she would prevent you from posting, nor report you to some authority, just that in her place, the consequences of this type of action will be, so maybe you shouldn't waste your time. In your space your rules, her space her rules, my space my rules, public space public rules. These are things many learn by age 5-7, but I am finding many need to a refresher kindergarten course. So think, what house rules do you have, and how do you respond to people breaking them. How do you respond to another house rules, intentionally break them because "freedom", yet get grumpy because your actions have consequences? Is this responsible and respectful? Is this how you expect others to behave in your space? My SIL is irrationally phobic about "danger noodles" and asks that people don't use the name, talk about the critters, wear shirts with the image in her house, but knows she needs to respect the places of others who have said critters as pets.

@ecocentrichomestead6783 Год назад

@@brucedownunda7054 free speech doesn't give you the right to spread lies and hate! Don't go asserting "facts" on things you know nothing about.

@permiebird937 Год назад

When the expression " pull yourself up by your boot straps" was first popularised, it was considered telling a person to do something impossible.

@UwU-Crew Год назад

Hi Angela, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your Social Permaculture videos. I truly feel like your videos are preparing me to go into permaculture with the right attitude instead of the competitive mindset of being “the most permaculture-ee”. They have made a huge impact in my life, not just as a gardener, but as a wife and mother, and I have to thank you for being so candid. Your channel is helping me to see things through a lens of compassion and to act with more empathy, patience, and understanding.

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

oh, goodness! Thank you! This made my day!

@UwU-Crew Год назад

You’re very welcome ☺️

@traryvery8851 Год назад

Great comment sugar buns

@megsymoo25 Год назад

I belong to a church community that believes in individual resilience, but we also believe in a system called consecration where everyone in the community brings what they have and donate their surplus to the community through leaders who distribute those surpluses to those in need. The cycle is such that those who have give, those who receive work, those who work have, and those who have then give again. It is not just a monetary principle. It relates to every aspect of our lives. Each of us have an abundance of something that we can bring to share. And each of us is deficient in something that we can receive from others. Individual pride that stops us from asking for help is indeed detrimental to society. And individual pride that makes us believe others should have to suffer what we have been through is also detrimental to us. We need to promote the concept of come with whatever you have, and receive whatever you need.

@karenkoerner6015 Год назад

When offering to help someone, suggest a specific way to help, while allowing flexibility. It seems that an open offer, "Let me know how I can help," may not prompt a specific action. Many of us aren't comfortable asking for help. Might be better to offer a specific act: "I would like to make your life easier over the next few weeks. Can I bring you dinner this Tuesday and next? Or is there something else that would be more helpful?" Thanks, Angela, for your insights.

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Excellent point :).

@killtorres Год назад

Ah! Thank you so much for this script! I find myself falling short in helping others in that I offer but it doesn't really pan out. This is excellent and I honestly believe will help me offer my genuine assistance.❤

@tessstephens6208 День назад

I love your passion and wisdom on this very important part of permaculture design. I am so looking forward to joining you on this journey. I just finished a permaculture design course at the eco village of Findhorn and am traveling back to Canada to help a friend create a permaculture community gathering/ education hub on a couple acres of land. I really resonate with the importance of the people care and am feeling that our design will be more focused on creating a healthy sense of self and strong community connections. My intuition is feeling that the garden and land designs could evolve from the cultural design project. Rather than the other way around. Thank you for this video. I'm going to watch another one now

@alexandriadillhoff7069 Год назад

I often feel lost with how to do this, I can find ways to help others without over doing it for myself. But I struggle with not feeling like I have a village when I try to be others village.

@anhaicapitomaking8102 Год назад

Some villages you can't work with

@annasluka6708 Год назад

Just finished making a double batch of enchiladas so one can go to a neighbor who injured her back. Trying to build some community here too!

@darthfiende1 Год назад

It's so easy to feel like, if you need something from someone else, you've failed in some way. I turned up my nose at pet GoFundMes as a failure to plan and budget until I was in that boat. Sometimes responsibilities temporarily exceed carrying capacity through no fault of anyone. I'm grateful to those who didn't think, like I have, that needing help was a sign that I didn't deserve it.

@LinniuesLinens Год назад

As a homemaker in suburbia, I find this all very familiar. Recently, I've found a lot of joy in my local Buy Nothing group on Facebook, with lots of like-minded folks wanting to help each other in myriad ways. This Halloween was really great, getting out and meeting our neighbors and sharing it with friends who came to visit. (Even despite the materialistic aspects of the holiday.) Best wishes for your family's health!

@tanyadraper7588 Год назад

After having left the church I used to attend I'm having a hard time finding another place to find a sense of community.

@flowerpixel Год назад

I love when you share book recs! I recently got into a stupid argument with someone about how the sun doesn't cause cancer and it's an individual's "responsibility" to figure out seed oils cause cancer. People eat their way into diabetes. people are too lazy to do the work and figure out what to eat...etc etc. I get extremely annoyed when these libertarian arguments overlap into homesteading and gardening but it's unavoidable. I am not physically able to help people but thanks for the reminder I'm useful bc I offer emotional support. I have a lot of empathy This is probably not appropriate to say but you have amazing skin especially for being outside all the time

@ecocentrichomestead6783 Год назад

Wrt "survival of the fittest", the main strength of the human species has been fostering social connections. As population grows, individualism becomes more prevalent. Individualism will eventually crash the current system. But seeing human reaction in the aftermath of natural disasters, social bonding will eventually take over again. Practicing social permaculture before individualism takes things down will, of course, help one weather life's storms better, regardless of size.

@Mrs2ne1lovesme Год назад

I'm looking forward to more videos about Social Permaculture. Community always seems to be the main thing we struggle at as americans and I know that if we work on solving this problem things will start to get better.

@roosrachelle Год назад

Thank you Angela. Im thinking of this more and more too - talking to my neighbors often about community and how we can help each other / work together. Im trying to live that life where money is not a blocker and sharing with others when I have anything to share - at no cost. I just mailed skirret roots and seeds to a bunch of people from that group. Its amazing how many times I had to say its free to them. I grow too much on purpose, with the intent to share with others. People start to share back when you initiate it. There is an element of education, or showing people that it is possible - almost - un-education. We need to remove the thought that you have to pay for everything. I also listened to Michael Tellinger right after your video - he is starting the one small town revolution, where they eliminate money, and work as a community supporting each other instead. I found his latest 2 videos very interesting when he talks about what happens when you remove money from the system.

@kimm1318 Год назад

This is so spot on to what Ive been wanting for a long time. I felt like I saw the perfect solution when I had watched a channel that had the Kailash Ecovillage story. Your video gave even more details. To me, that answers so many of our problems. I work full time as a teacher, my husband is self-employed, and we help our single daughter with our grandson and care for elderly parents with dementia. Close community with similar goals is the key.

@GreenLadyUrbanFarm Год назад

Such a great way to look at it. I feel so frustrated living in an area so full of the toxic mentality. My town is full of extreme political and religious views I need to work on ways around that. As always, great video. 🖖❤

@ellens2476 Год назад

Have you checked if there’s a Timebank group in your area? It’s giving 1 hour of whatever your skilful in/at and receiving 1 hour what others offer. Can be kinda paid forward and received when needed as time accumulates in your time account.

@rabindranath22 Год назад

Using neighborhood associations to help neighbors is a brilliant suggestion!!

@priestswife Год назад

One of my favorite social permaculture aspects is still about gardening- seed and plant giveaways and swaps :)

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

seed and plant swaps are the best! #ShareTheSurplus

@karenlopez8687 Год назад

Fav video so far, and that's saying a lot. I felt everything you said. So powerful. Thank you, Angela!

@selecttravelvacations7472 Год назад

Wish I could teleport your family another meal. Thanks for the video. I look forward to hearing more on this topic of Social Permaculture.

@debbydoodler33 Год назад

Yep. I think like the gardening aspect of pc, social pc and community start with small, slow changes. I don't even know how feasible it is to attempt to restructure large-scale - our society has so many people and is crazy complex. But if we start with being open and intentional with a small group of people, especially those in physical proximity to us, then interdependence might be more natural and easy to come by. My brain thought of how, in my experience in mid-sized companies and schools, even departments tended to "operate in silos" as they say. Business processes can help (provided people follow them and communications and planning include everyone who has something to offer or will be impacted), but often this is extremely challenging with aggressive deadlines, and if there are too many consultations it is very costly and momentum can be lost.

@amyblueskyirl16 Год назад

Interesting…I’ve been thinking lately about how important it is to nourish ourselves so that we can better care for the land and each other and do the work. Permaculture shouldn’t be just about growing things and doing projects rather, at it’s core, focus on nourishment day to day and for the long term (nourishing our bodies, spirits, minds, life around us, and the land)

@jen.BarnesFamilyHomestead Год назад

Yes! Amen! Community is SOOO IMPORTANT!

@ichymcgee2315 Год назад

I have no one that will do that. Making friends in a place where there are more churches than schools and people don't want to be friends with someone that doesn't believe in God.

@megsymoo25 Год назад

I'm so sorry you are experiencing that. As someone who is deeply involved in religion, I can tell you that is not what I believe or feel. I have several friends who are not part of my faith, and I welcome friendships with any who will be respectful to my beliefs as I am to theirs. I'm truly sorry that is your reality.

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Oof, I'm so sorry. I agree, in some of rural places we've lived, we would have been extremely isolated had we not been involved in churches...they were the only gateway to community and support. You shouldn't have to profess a certain set of religious beliefs in order to be able to belong and be cared for and offer care in return.

@emilyd.3202 Год назад

Hi, Angela! I just wanted to leave a little note of appreciation for your content. I'm a mom in my thirties in a Seattle suburb, and we have many interests and desires in common. I love to marvel at the many ways we can be connected to each other and learn from each other thanks to the internet. Thanks for letting us learn with you!

@williamgair3230 Год назад

It is more "courageous" to ask for help when you need it than to bury that need. To not ask hurts you, hurts your family/friends, hurts your community and is cowardice.

@TroyEagan Год назад

Yas. On that note, I'll make use of your comments section to ask if anyone else here is in the Greater Spokane area? I would love to be more connected with other permaculturists.

@Karoline_g Год назад

I appreciate so much hearing someone address this. ❤️

@falsificationism Год назад

Unrelatedly: The audio quality was SO GREAT in your car! Perfect for sit-downs like this.

@jcomden Год назад

Im excited to see more of these videos.

@dfhepner Год назад

I think what you are getting at is like it was when people were bound together in small tribes or maybe villages. There every one knew what was going on and would help when needed. Also like the Amish.

@VeganBoricua Год назад

Oooh excited for this topic!

@robertgulfshores4463 Год назад

Social Permaculture, this is new to me, but I think this is wonderful. Earth Care, People Care, Fair Share.

@fredotto518 Год назад

How to behave in Community might have to be taught, It doesn't appear to come along naturally.

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

I think we’ve lost the ancestral knowledge. Like how breastfeeding was something our foremothers grew up around and were supported in and it was super normalized, so when it came time, they knew how to do it. Most Americans don’t know much of anything about breastfeeding and been exposed to the normal physiological process, so it is no longer intuitive and must be taught and new mothers need loads and loads of support to be successful. We’ve got to reclaim our ancestral understanding of community and make it more equitable and functional. But we are all going to need a lot of support in order to do so.

@artsyhonkerful Год назад

You mentioned not having a solution to the problem of so many of us being "maxed out". Dismantling crapitalism might be a good start... ;-) Keep going!

@michelebuisson6317 Год назад

Thank you!❤

@rosaarias7128 Год назад

angela, you are great!

@jo-annmawhinney371 Год назад

Hi Angela, I'm really looking forward to this!!!

@garyfowler5585 Год назад

You are on track bigtime!

@virginiabur2653 Год назад

Thank you so much for this perspective!

@jenniferwinter3474 Год назад

Ironically, no one is truly self sustainable WITHOUT community to step in during your moments of need. We all will have moments where the unexpected of life happens and need our community to step in and help us maintain our livestock or plants and gardens. I haven’t built this yet, but I’m closer this year than any other year. Sorry you lost subscribers over these videos but I would guess these people haven’t had their moment of need yet. I want to build a community that is where we all turn to first when we have a need before we seek the solution from big corporations.

@logandilts3173 Год назад

Agreed. Check out the Forward party and Andrew Yang, everything he's doing is related exactly to this. from UBI to free marriage counseling and many other proposals. the goal is to get the economic boot off our necks and provide resources so citizens can get the time/energy/information needed to be better humans. the 2 major parties are more interested in lobbing insults and scapegoating the other side than actually fixing the systems and improving lives.

@joshua511 11 месяцев назад

"Toxic notions of self-sufficiency?" Toxic means poisonous. How is taking care of your family and not being a burden on others an example of "toxic self-sufficiency"? What a bunch of horseshit. We give our surplus eggs away for free. The food we grow ourselves means there is more food available at the store for others. Just because you aren't a fan of self-sufficiency does not mean people who strive to make progress towards that goal "toxic".

@maplenook Год назад

Do you consider World Economic Forum to be conspiracy?

@paperm2023 Год назад

Why would they be

@kevinh6008 Год назад

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You said it yourself, we're all maxed out. So it isn't realistic to do many of the things that you are suggesting... like offering to help other people when you are preoccupied with your own responsibilities. Toxicity is pushing past your limitations. It is also lacking autonomy in your own life. Individualism isn't bad in itself, it's like a pioneer species. It's a starting point. I like the stoic concept of oikeiôsis. The point is to develop autonomy and virtue in yourself first, then expand your circle of concern, then develop it in the expanded group. Develop social skills like communicating effectively, problem solving as a group, social autonomy built on consent rather than coercion. Then, furthering the analogy, expanding your circle of concern is like ecological succession. Also, frankly, I think we need to think more concretely. Look at concrete analogies of human organizations. It's like going into a forest, seeing how the flora and fauna relate to each other, and trying to recreate those relationships in your garden. The same can be done with human societies. Don't think that you are building anything new, we just repeat the same patterns over and over again. Look at villages, communes, governments and large corporations. Don't be superficial, just like you shouldn't be in a forest. Dig beneath the surface, you didn't see that fungal network the first hundred times you visited. When learning from human society, you have to calm yourself, and look at things without being judgemental. I could go on and on. But this is enough for a RU-vid comment 🙂

@13ccasto Год назад

Gosh this is off-topic but the car-based nature of this video reminded me - did you know that starting in 2023 in Oregon folks can get a Chevy Bolt EV (some other vehicles too, but Bolt will be by far the cheapest) for around $10k (that's including a $7,500 federal incentive and up to the same from OR)!

@kastenolsen9577 Год назад

Check out the Rodin Coil for almost free energy.

@somaalchemy1154 Год назад

Is it me or did you have a lot more subs just a few months ago

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

No, I didn’t have a lot more subs a few months ago. I had almost three thousand fewer. Why do you ask?

@bluegrassdiggers9030 Год назад

So what's next we are racist for growing our own food?

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

So, clearly this video upset you, since you’re throwing out hyperbolic rhetorical questions. What about it upsets you?

@bluegrassdiggers9030 Год назад

@@ParkrosePermaculture America was founded on rugged individualism. It upsets me because America is moving away from that concept. We are creating a generation that are taught the system is rigged against them. Schools are doing away with advanced classes children are being taught because the color of their skin they are responsible for slavery hundreds of years ago at the same time others are not held accountable for their actions today. Yes is is good to share but to call individualism toxic is a stretch. Being dependent on the government or not doing for yourself is toxic.

@nosherwanh Год назад

Hi, i really like your videos. I don't know how you'll take my suggestion but I couldn't resist telling you. I just wanted to suggest to look into Islam, since I find a lot of similarities between Islam and your thoughts. The best/easiet way would be to simply try reading the Quran. May God guide us all. Amen. Peace. Nosherwan From Pakistan

@sampedro9316 Год назад

Stick to gardening.

@danielbeaudoin8462 Год назад

Hmmmm .. as for what I have learned from the famers and permaculture growers around my neck of the wood dealing with city people.. we don’t impose our personal beliefs and ways of living from a philosophy. Because permaculture is a philosophy that is put in to practiced. The farmers and growers only answer to questions when asked . They DO NOT IMPOSE THEIR PHILOSOPHY about permaculture and the impact it has on the environment .. on to others . If it’s done in the schools it’s because the farmers kid had a show and tell day on what their parents do for a living . Other wise than that if we push it hard on society we will be pushed back ! It’s not good for business! That’s simple as that .. Don’t shoot yourselves in the foot on imposing your personal philosophical ways of living and beliefs on others . Yes we can help other growers with their growing problems if they ask for our help . That’s if we can but there RU-vid for that . And we must be straight forward and honest and say it if we don’t know or have an answer for it . Everyone deals with the environment in their own ways .. But to make a socialist campaign that’s a BIG a no no .. there’s enough info out there on you tube and other social platforms that the ones that are interested on LEARNING will do the research themselves. Let’s not impose our own philosophies on permaculture living on the impacts it may have on the environment.. good or bad. . There no right or wrong There is only trial and error even on the farming industry.. It is what it is but good try tho .

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

I'm struggling to understand your comments here. I agree we don't need to "impose" our beliefs on others. That's not what I'm suggesting. But permaculture is a design system with an underpinning set of ethics. It is philosophical in nature. Why does the thought of encouraging the application of social permaculture to build resilient communities and more resilient food systems seem so off-putting? Nothing here is a "socialist campaign". (BTW, America already has socialism for corporations, but not for families, just fyi. And individual taxpayers fund it.) Community connection and mutual support is key to resilience. Learning to communicate in a healthier way and function together as people more efficiently is NOT socialism, btw, which is a big chunk of what I'm suggesting. Skill-building when it comes to conflict resolution, effective communication, and building systems that help communities thrive IS social permaculture. And it benefits everyone. Btw, I'm all for enforcing policy that protect the environment, laborers, and future generations. There are clear rights and wrongs, and clear good policy to protect our planet and each other. I don't believe in post modern moral relativism.

@wyominghome4857 Год назад

Toxic individualism? (sigh)

@foxmulder7616 Год назад

What we need is rugged individualism! Everyone needs to find a way to afford land, become a landowner and start growing food, building a home, building goods for sale, and trade, etc etc! Raising animals, for meat, and agriculture. And NOT having to share anything with anyone, ESPECIALLY the gov, unless they WANT to!

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Could you elaborate? Also a couple of resources I've enjoyed on the subject: From a student journalist :observer.case.edu/reif-our-individualism-complex-is-as-toxic-as-breathing-polluted-air/ One of my favorite podcasts covered the subject: freakonomics.com/podcast/the-pros-and-cons-of-americas-extreme-individualism-ep-470-2/ www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2020-10-30/how-toxic-individuality-is-tearing-the-u-s-apart

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

Thank you for illustrating the point. What happens when you have your own land, and you do it all yourself and then become ill? Or disabled? Who will care for you? For your land? Who will feed you? Care for your livestock? Not to mention, who pays to maintain the roads you drive on? The schools your kids attend? The national forests you go hike in? Who subsidizes your agricultural endeavors? Who funds a military to protect the land you live on? Who serves in that military? Who pays to clear the roads of snow and ice so you can get to the hospital in an emergency? Taxpayers. Aka your neighbors. We all need each other and actually depend one each other every single day even if we don't like to think we do. Rugged individualism is a complete myth.

@GreenLadyUrbanFarm Год назад

@@ParkrosePermaculture Very true. Plus Id like to point out, the myth is also being proven when the argument is being made on SOCIAL MEDIA. Why are people on "SOCIAL" anything if they feel they don't need any help from anyone? YT is made to share ideas and learn from others (mistakes and wins). That is a huge part of how our society works now. More people need to understand that important distinction. 🖖

@ParkrosePermaculture Год назад

@Green Lady Permaculture right? Where did we even learn about permaculture? From our ancestors, from Bill Mollison, from David Holmgren...from each other. Where do we draw inspiration? From the work of other people. We learn by example. WE ARE SOCIAL BEINGS.