I think we're glossing over the fact that Liam was so annoyed by the time he wasted on Twitter beef that he made it into content just to get something out of it. After dunking on the dude repeatedly. Petty af and honestly I'm here for it.
To be honest, I learned that everyone who argues with people on Twitter is a looser with too mucch free time. You could do so much things in that time spent. Start a bakery for example
@@grantisshananaa4906 I don't know if its an American thing or not, but I've always found it weird how frequently that word is misspelled by people, and not as a mere typo either.
@@phantomstarlight1366 Completely agree, I just don't get it lol. That and saying "I could care less" when they mean they "couldn't care less" Like, say what you mean . . .
Liam, I feel you. As an icu nurse during pandemic, I constantly got confronted with „how easy“ my job is by total bunglenuts. People talking down on others’ profession is really an issue getting my blood boiling. I cherish your take on joe.
I'm using your advice on this channel to start my own. I won't lie, you aren't my favorite youtuber (that title belongs to Grandline Review) but I do consider you to be the best youtuber. Wish me luck and thank you.
yeah i swear grandlinereview should do a collab with dude in a room this has been mentioned before so many times in different comment sections and i really wanna see it happen
Never argue/engage with someone on twitter because 90% of the time is just waste of time and creates drama. The platform itself became a breeding ground for conflict people just waiting to lash out at each other... Keep the great work!!
That's kinda the idea though no? Spark controversy, divide a fanbase, and then elaborate and side with the winner. You come out on top and get a ton of content and more importantly engagement
I heard that's a lie. There's a video from Neil deGrasse Tyson who put it super simple. It's a mix of conservation of momentum and angle of attack. The wing is blasting against the air molecules and impart their momentum to the wing. With the angle of the wing you can then direct this normal force to go straight up or diagonal.
@@Broockle granted, but the normal force occurs in the first place because of the pressure difference. Higher angles of attack cause greater pressure differences, increasing lift (however high angles induce massive drag as well, so it’s a fine balance).
@@ignasicortes8481 O, I have absolutely no doubt about your qualifications. It's just that the education system especially in the sciences often tell over simplifications that don't quite care about reality. Even more especially if you're an engineer you're only going to be tasked to fix and design stuff in the real world. So to an aerospace engineer these things are hardly important. But to a theoretical physicist and astronomer like Neil these things matter ;D And personally I think it's easier to understand than the than the pressure difference story. Just Conservation of momentum and Angle of attack.
What I see here is a marvelous conversation of how the heck does all that information makes sense to you guys? XD please accept the respect from a humble artist that reads your conversation and feels she's learning an alien language
I mean, in theory that’s not wrong. Your forward momentum is allowing the air passing beneath you to hold you up, generating lift. But that’s just broad strokes. It’s another step entirely to go from there all the way to building a plane or reapplying that knowledge.
@@ZhongliArchonofSwag I know that I’m kind of restating what you said, but I just want to re-emphasize it because I really don’t like when people undermine the knowledge and experience of professionals of any profession. While what he said technically made sense in that tweet, nobody is justified in saying that with the ignorance that he had. You can read up on something or hear what a profession is about and what it entails, but that in no way promises that you’ll be able to do it yourself all of a sudden, or that you’ll have equal insight on it as actual professionals do.
@@ZhongliArchonofSwag you kind of messed up your point though, that's not actually how a plane generates lift. You're close, but air passing under the wing doesn't "lift it up", in fact if it were only passing under the wing it would do the exact opposite. The shape of the wing is designed to encourage movement *over* the wing. Of course, air does still move under the wing, that's unavoidable, but it's the faster moving air over the wing that is responsible for the lift. I don't work in aircraft design or anything, and I'm certainly not going to pretend I could build a working airliner with this knowledge, but I thought it worth pointing out.
I astonishes me how confidently people will assert that they understand a field when they really only have scratched the surface. Actually, it sort of has a name "Dunning-Kruger effect" (famous example is a guy who put invisible ink on his face then robbed a bank without a mask because he was sure he wouldn't show up on the camera). Combine that with people who will dig in rather than admit being wrong and you have potential for some really terrible interactions. I personally have had people complaining to MY CITY COUNCIL about things the don't understand on this level, so I've been in this fight before, with my job on the line. The worst thing is that it almost always is a no-win scenario, just a lot of frustration and wasted time Great video from a dude in a room
It astonishes me how ppl can believe nonsense because someone said it's true. I don't care who you are or what you claim to be an expert in. Especially from the media who willingly lies.
@@frenchbloo ii didn't say distrust everyone, but just because someone calls themselves a doctor or scientist and go on tv, (especially when that tv is a news station who tells provable lies) shouldn't have there every word believed like gospel. And ppl have plenty trust in medicine just not the bs media and government tell us.
Years ago when I was still an apprentice there was a particular frenemy of mine who had rich parents who I helped out by doing a small electrical job for, cash in hand off the books kinda thing that our trade is notorious for as far as the tax office is concerned. Anyway after observing me work for a few minutes my frenemy boldly declared that electrical work is simple and that even a monkey could do it. That made me fume with anger because he was an arrogant douche bag who had no idea what he was talking about. I exposed his lack of knowledge by asking him how he would connect a light switch to a light if it was such a simple job that even non human primates could do? He outed himself as being less capable than a monkey at something. congratulations Vugnell , you played yourself that day.
I LOVE that Liam woke up and chose violence, then after the rage settled inside him, he took a look back and was like "Oh, oh my, what have I done? There was probably a more reasonable way to go about that" lmfao I am here for it
This is very much a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Joe, having limited knowledge or competence in the subject, overestimate his knowledge or competence over how other people's job works. While Liam, having thorough knowledge and experience on the subject, says he knows little on the platform and even says that he's terrified of how little he knows.
I distinctly remember feeling bored as it was a one piece break week and opening Twitter, and coming across the op Twitter in complete shambles. It was as if the entire community was sitting with 🍿 and spectating.
That was an interesting happening. The Joe is a splendid example of "the less you know, the more you think you know". Either he learns while his YT channel grows, or he just won't understand because of his Twitter foundation. Either way, he probably needs some serious character development before he admits the wrongs in this particular opinion.
Absolutely, Liam of course, shouldn’t be ranting and berating people on Twitter, because it’s Twitter, Twitter is dumb, I figured he’d realize that he was just keeping this silly train ride moving but it is what it is. Joe on the other hand needs to really do a double take on himself, criticizing other people’s job and telling them what to do, while not having the slightest clue what he is talking about. No, the Twitter algorithm isn’t the same as RU-vid, no subscribers don’t equal views, and the bigger your channel and content gets, the more you have to expand and the harder it gets. You have to keep an audience entertained, and if that includes, making a dumb title and thumbnail, that one may call clickbait, then it’s just the way it is
Willing to bet he has a room temperature IQ too. How they word things comes off as someone that's not all there trying to act like how they think smart people are. Always love seeing people like that because it's very comical.
4:34 "Algorithms on all platforms work on the same principles." As a social media manager, this is so wrong on so many levels. You have to have a different strategies for each platform. Like for example Tiktok and IG have hashtags that work fairly well as compared to other platforms like Twitter and RU-vid.
@@droycon i will assume that you are being sarcastic because although most of these platforms are owned by meta the issue arises with what originally were these platforms most popular features as such stories are more popular on insta than on facebook for a lot of people
Truly strange to hear just how messed up this platform is , OUT LOUD. And yet this form of social media feels anti-social. Also weird to hear that pampered whiners believe that they're all knowing gods. I'm still trying to find a small enough container for my amazement.
It kinda is, its designed to generate drama by being too short to explain throughly and connects and invites being dumb fast emotional reacting. Thats not throwing shade but what it does. Thats why many behave dumb on twitter.
TBH Liam, your advice has been SO helpful to me. I'm still small time, very VERY small time, but I think the advice you've given has helped me to start growing a community. Your knowledge on RU-vid is the best I've heard. Much much better than 99% of RU-vidrs I've seen that are just "just go out and do it" without any real advice on how to succeed, or why the things like thumbnails and titles are so so important.
Man I been watching your shit since you started. The reason that you’re successful is because you’re well spoken and a good bloke. rather likeable, simple as that really
This whole thing was a wild ride going through when I woke up that morning and went through like a hundred different tweets about this. I could say that being a doctor is simple. But I would be lying if I did that.
What I like most about the content on this channel is how down to earth and reasonable dude in a room is, being able to see things in a very neutral and calm way. I really appreciate that he was able to admit that the way he said things was harsh. And while I agree with what he’s saying and can understand the reasons he said things the way he did, I think it would be much better for a more neutral initial response in case something like this happens again. Calling someone ignorant, even when it’s the case feels like it could be quite provocative, and doesn’t serve to allow a genuine discussion.
@@ayeekoolaid520 nah man people if you are a billionaire and a random dude comes to you and tells you that you are wrong in how you spend your money and you are wrong in earning money in other ways that active income. you have the write to point on what he lacks and shouldn't try to educate anyone on the bases of personal belief(which is exactly what i am doing)
"All social medias work on algorithmic functions" as a sentence is right. But if we think a second about that... That's like saying "All Mammals have Cells. So I can cure them all" which seeing as there are Vets and Doctors for Humans is quite wrong. If this would be my job I would have also choosen violence, Liam
Everything apparently since he thinks the youtube and Twitter algorithms work EXACTLY the same way. Soon as I heard that he lost all credibility. If he even had any to begin with
Arguing in good faith does take an extreme amount of energy. And if you aregue to win and for clout instead of for truth sor understanding this happens. It reminds me of when all the kids in school would smell an altercation and circle but not intervene. Humans are fascinating.
*WHAT IF* you argue with the guise of spreading information but in reality you just want to piss everyone off and prove that you're right because you get a kick out of it? I mean being pissed at someone because I pissed them off is quite the fun emotion.
"Pretentious" all that needed to be said. Not your usual content, still loved it. It was infact petty...but on the other hand I completely understand. Make sure y'all leave a like on the video. Have a great day everybody love you guys and love you too Guy in a box.
Ah yes, the twitter community. Where you can build a following and then claim to know everything there is to know in the world. Don't worry about going hard on twitter, they deserve it. They're going to play victim anytime they lose an argument.
He messed with something you’re passionate about, anger is justified imo. The ability to google things is wonderful and allows us to learn faster than any generation before us but that is not in any way comparable to actual experience. I’d love to hear this guys list of jobs he thinks aren’t that hard lol.
Every time I think I’m gonna quit arguing with people I don’t know on social media I end up arguing with people on social media. Idiots are my kryptonite.
i remember this happening and watching it live and i enjoyed every second of it... Liam is someone who actually does incredible break downs of how to be successful and the interesting things that people do. and i love them... and it was pure gold to watch. a few times i expected this guy to just admit he was trolling and we all were going to laugh, but the longer it went the more i realized this wasnt gold.. it was diamonds, this man legit thought he was able to compare the two and i KNEW this video was coming and that it would be glorious. i did love how many different communities he pissed off. there was some great stuff said in the work out community and a youtuber who works at my bfs gym even mentioned it which was HILARIOUS for me.
Had an idea/question for a video because I value your opinion on a myriad of things…. What’s your take on RU-vid premium? Do content creators actually benefit from it, or is it only the user that benefits? Do your analytics track how many of your users have YT premium? Thanks for the morning coffee content Liam ☕️
Yes! I'm not entirely sure what the breakdown is, but the creators you watch get a small small share of what you pay for premium to replace the impact of ads. RU-vid even tells me exactly how much revenue comes from premium users. It's not a lot, but it's an intriguing statistic.
I've watched most your videos and have been watching your channel for a year or two and I've only ever shared like tops 5 of your videos from grandline so I totally agree it's not from sharing. Love the channel bro you Crack me up
Liam, this was quality content and I'm happy I could listen to it on my drive home from work. I felt this video in my very being. I'm a very logical person and can't stand people like "Joe" that compulsively put forward false "facts", refusing to admit they were wrong when proven otherwise out of some sense of pride or embarrassment. Your pettiness was just the right amount. If you're going to be an ass to someone publicly, you have to make it humorous and you nailed it. I think the only thing you missed was demanding him to cite his sources for the "publicly available RU-vid mechanics". Then when it is unofficial, or he can't do that either, there is even more ammo to throw back in his face.
Joe could of easily avoided this embarrassment had he just subscribed to dude in a room. Seriously though I work in medical and I so feel the idea of someone telling me how my job works….more so within the last year and so.
Well i mean, you’re job is based on hard science, that’s objective knowledge, and can be quite difficult. being a “good” RU-vidr is completely subjective
@@skelitonking117 it's only subjective in terms of what the audience likes as success will not be determined by everyone liking what you do. From watching the other videos he has produced there is a lot of time, thought and analysis that goes into being a youtuber.... At least on the part of laim... Some people just strike gold which may be the people you are refering to.
Nothing better than a petty Twitter war to get me pumped for work. On that note, going solely on this, he seems like kind of person who’d give me advice on how to run a restaurant because he once helped out at his uncle’s bar.
Ah wow! That's amazing! That's so cool! I'd love to run a restaurant, however I have no real skill in cooking or desire to interact with customers :p if I'm ever in Spain again, I'll need to come by!
@@marocat4749 Liam is a clown with hordes of dedicated followers who loyally support him and are super-impressed by the things he has achieved against seemingly impossible odds, mostly by accident and good luck. Liam is Buggy.
It's amazing how pretentious people are about other people's jobs. I have a good yt creator friend who has a very large channel and isnt into OP or anime in general. I still sent him this channel simply because he is constantly looking for ways to improve his craft. Thank you Roomy sir for your wisdom about YT.
Idk about the whole click bait thing helping views, maybe I’m alone but when I see cringey border line dishonest titles and thumbnails make me actively not want to watch videos, and I only watch some cuz I know from past experience that the content is typically good
@@blurb9319 that’s unfortunate lol I feel like ppl should be interested in GLR without “HERes ThE MOsT INsaNE thINg eVEr and it’s 100% true …or maybe not”, like he has really good content
Love this video, I really think it's entertaining and well made. I do think that you should have been more upfront about how people shouldn't harass Joe. Maybe I'm wrong and mentionning it once in the middle of the video was enough, but I've seen time and time again big RU-vidrs make videos about another content creator just for that CC to get harassed into oblivion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on Joe's side but I don't think he deserves all the potential harassment he'll get for this. Again, I might be talking out of my ass but I think the difference in following between you two is immeasurable and as such i think it might have been better to hide his name.
Othe than him proably more views if h ever i serious with uploading on YT, which sounds more like a favour. And saying be nice, dont harass him and if, be nice. I cant blaim him. He said not to haras him. Maye a pinned comment to really not.
Saying "Don't harass him" doesn't work. Those who don't want to harass will not harass him and those who want to will regardless of what he says. At least in the case of a more mature audience like this one.
The one piece community will remember Mr Liam for two things 1. His awsm one piece content on YT 2. His quote in that twitter debate. moral : You should remind others that they shouldn't talk out of their impossibly gaping anus if they aren't familiar with the topic which is being discussed.
understanding how a plane flies isn't complicated understanding how to fly a plane taking off landing communicating and such under all sorts of situations is complicated so technically Joe ain't wrong with that point
This shit was funny like legitimate made me laugh multiple times, i love when idiotic people expose themselves in a up hilled battle, good work Liam stand that ground 😂
@@xxoldschoolgamer oh most definitely. But theres a line between having a thought and acting on said thought. Curious how close he came to crossing said line of calling the dude an idiot and leaving it at that.
Joe is an amazing content creator on twitter who is constantly making extremely smart and well thought out theories and analysis’, but this was just kinda dumb and idk what was going through his head at the time.
Idk about that I'm pretty sure he's a complete dimwit LOL maybe all his significant brainpower goes to fiction because the dude's grip on reality is tenuous at best
Just goes to show that Twitter brings the petty out of anyone. You seem to a rational person but even you went all 'ignorant and arrogant' from the get go.
13:53 Hmmmm I still think you should have censored his name if you REALLY don't want people harrassing him, it doesn't hurt this video at all to do so. And I would have no idea about this guy if weren't for you. You're about 50 times more 'public' than he is.
Maybe. However a large part of the discussion was Joe's insistence that he was a seasoned public creator. And while smaller than me, he does actually have influence. So I'm going to do what he wants and treat him as such. I love your cool paper crafts btw! :D
Never change Mr Dude in a Room! I have really learnt a lot about RU-vid Content Creation from this channel which has made me less scared about creating content
So you tried to dunk on a small content creator (including making fun of his subscriber count) knowing that with your following you couldn't lose, and then a week later you still weren't over how you totally got him so you made a video
@@nonyabusiness366 that doesn’t excuse anything my guy, and yea, he did start it, Joe did not specifically call out Liam, he took it upon his own initiative to turn Joes opinions into an argument
@@skelitonking117 an opinion especially a public one is itself starting an argument.... There are very few " opinions" that are universally accepted. Joe started it with O'Hara and if you are willing to start something with someone else you should be willing to accept that someone else is willing to start it with you. But again Joe was insulting a profession that Liam is a part of. It does not and I repeat it does not matter who was mentioned as if you are part of that profession then you are included in said insult. Joe is clearly a lonely soul, you know the people who are smart enough to know he isn't dumb but to dumb to know he really isn't smart ( knowledgeable in a certain topics (all the ones he mentioned)). Joe tried to be smart... Got made to look stupid... Belittled multiple professions then cried when he was met with an unfavorable response. If he can't take the heat he should get out of public life and stop this jealous shit
i’ve been using youtube for like ten years and even tried starting a channel but never once did i realize the depth and complexity of the youtube system before watching the videos from this chanel
I've been waiting for a video about this since this started. I can't find the time to read all of the tweets and replies but is still interested about the memes that came after.
Lost it at "Algorithms on all platforms work on the same principles". No one person at RU-vid understands how the hydra of an algorithm they have developed works in its entirety.
Oh my, Liam. This kind of people that shows they won't hear anything from the beginning aren't worth wasting your time. Arguments and logic reasoning doesn't matter to them, just "being right". I never had a Twitter account, but I always hear that there happens the same kind of discussion you presented here over and over. 😩
Just waiting for Liam to drop in a couple months the "I accidentally started the greatest myspace war ever" video, resurrecting also msn and skype in the process by sheer power of animosity...
