I Became So OP All The Enemies Went Home - Rogue Genesia 

I explained the concept of these types of games to a friend for the first time, I used the name Bullet Heaven, and he instantly understood what it was and broadly what its about. Its short and catchy and descriptive

Bullet Heaven is the perfect name for the genre. Unlike bullet hell, your not dodging endless bullets, your creating them. Its a good counter and its memorable

I love how the Thorn dealt 77 damage and had 1 kill. It looks adorable amongst death aura and fire ring

I think this is the best thumbnail you ever made.

That last run just became a legitimate incremental idle game, which is hilarious. All enemies were probably spawning inside the aura.

It's funny because I was going to use games like Galaga as an example. Where the premise is that I only ever considered bullet heavens/hells as games where you upgraded some form of shooting game play mechanic to ridiculous levels until the entire screen was riddled with bullets and you were both dodging and shooting until you beat the stage. I stopped halfway through that when I realized I was describing this game. I think the issue with the gentleman/gentlewoman who was pushing the Horde Survival genre is that, like I was, they are stuck on the visual aids and asthetics of the game rather than the actual features and mechanics. I was visualizing games like Galaga or Contra, where there is an spaceship/aircraft/weapon/vehicle type visual aid, and then a bunch of swiping up and down left and right to avoid enemies and their projectiles while you yourself fired your own, slowly upgrading as the level(s) progressed until both sides were filling the screen with a bullet heaven(hell?). Once I realized this was the same game, just painted differently, I got over trying to fit a different genre onto this game. It's a bullet heaven.

I made the weirdest excited noise when I saw you had made another Rogue Genesia video xD Thanks for making me smile and for making amazing videos.

For what it's worth, I've caused my extended friend circles to all say Bullet Heaven. It's a bullet hell where you create the bullet swarm. Something like Brotato is halfway between heaven and hell, since you don't fire a lot and the enemies fire a lot more. I feel like Bullet Heaven completely encapsulates the feeling and vibe of a super powerful player mowing through hordes of weak enemies.

His stand name is Flaming Death. Its range is The World.

When you say hoard survival makes me think of the defend points in war frame where you fight off hoards defending the objective, I do like bullet heaven because in many ways it is the opposite of bullet hell

That last run was hilarious! The worm boss went from "start stage" to "end of stage" instantly!

I remember a channel called the Rogue genesia show broke the sword of midas with area and greed (or whatever it is that increases gold on pickup). Just before the third world, he was getting *MILLIONS* of gold per stage

Wander there are text type services that they must use for accessibility proposes. Look up their accessibility information and find the hidden line. Those people are generally much nicer and don't get a lot of calls and are happy to chat.

That last run had such a large area it killed me outside the game :V

Love that you're doing these longer vids.

Thanks for the challenge runs! I've only got one left to finish myself.

The fun and the main draw to most souls like games is the difficulty, if you change the difficulty to make the game easier without having to work for it the games would be no where near as popular as they are today. Most games nowadays are semi-handholding easy games that always give you the option of making it super easy such as dropping difficulty if you struggle with a boss etc. But I'm a 90's kid who appreciates working towards a goal without these shortcuts

29:00 Well there is a randomly generated maps in a creeper-world similar game called Protolife, it's basically pixel art creeper world which lets you make your own custom towers after you complete the main campaign.

One game series that handled the "starting tax" well was Metroid Prime. Always start with like, half the total upgrades and then lose them after the first 20 minutes or so, giving you a chance to get a taste of it. Another way is like what Prototype did, starting you on a "end game" mission with almost all of your powers and then having almost everything else be how you got to that point. Unfortunately, with Prototype at least it was just confusing

41:18 I like how the fire ring was slaying to the music lol

I have a bit over 160 hours in this game but some how watching u play it is so Entertaining :D

Watched 5 minutes of this, went and bought the game, played it for 2 hours before bed. Came back to say, this is good. Been hesitant to play anything Vampire Survivors like, since I already have Vampire Survivors and enjoy it, but this was different enough to scratch a similar but different itch.

That last run was ridiculous. Love it!

That last run was the incarnation of "his power is over 9000!" Lol

14:27 probably, lol (nice joke too) 15:16 Nova drift is special for having you do a ton of crazy cool stuff against enemies, while the enemies shoot a crap ton of obstacles. this is why I like it so much

I didn't know the fire ring and the death aura stacked together. That effect looks super cool

There are smaller thwomps called thwimps! And whomps have whimps!

If a game has crit chance/damage caps, and doesn't have red crits, I don't usually go for crit. It's too unreliable, and you don't get enough benefit against high-health enemies to make the unreliability worth it.

Thanks for the awesome video! Good luck with getting back into DnD - I hope you have a great time.

The thumbnail emanates a beautiful feeling I can’t describe; also, as always, wonderful vid!

that thumbnail is gold lmao

1:14:30 the emperor smiles upon you. 😁

The thing with FromSoft games and the ones that try to emulate them is that that initial rough patch, artificial or not, is an integral part of the intended gaming experience. You are SUPPOSED to not have fun, because once you either learn the mechanics to a sufficient degree or grind enough stats, you will get a feeling of pride and accomplishment because you stuck with this thing that you secretly kind of hated until you made it turn fun and engaging. And since this kind of game also attracts the specific kind of people who want to run everything on hardmode just to lord it over anyone who didn't (In this case, everyone who gave up, so even more delicious) the "git gud" community is now a thing.

The thing about putting games in categories is that you soon have the major question of what truly defines that category. Take Roguelikes/Roguelites for example. You have everything from games like Issac and Dicey Dungeon, to games like Slay the Spire and even technically 'mystery dungeon' games. Once the category gets started, it is bound to cause an argument as to if a game truly fits that category or not. Heck, even some 'bullet heavens' like this game would count as a roguelike or roguelite due to them having things like metaprogression or unlocking new things for other runs as well.

Red light green light except the watcher forgot to say green light and fell asleep

The way Ive always seen a genre label, is that they are meant to be both defining and vague, to give you an idea of what it is while still being flexible enough to encompass multiple styles in that genre. In a Genre Title every attached label defines it, compounding the definition of the game further. To use the argument that They Are Billions is a horde survival but the idea of the bullet heaven games aren't is only half of the reality. Some bullet heaven games are horde survival, some RTS games are horde survival. I would argue that the Zombies mode from Call of Duty is a horde survival. "Horde" and "Survival" are only part of the true genre of each game. T-are-Bill is a "Steampunk RTS Horde Survival" (and you could probably add a few more on there too) while COD Zom is a "FPS Arena Horde Survival", and this game would be a "Rogue-lite Arena Horde Survival". You could slap more titles on each of those and define them further, but the same works in reverse. If you say "Horde Survival" Ill think of every different kind of Horde survival out there, including the three i mentioned. But if you just say "FPS" I wouldnt imagine an RTS or Bullet heaven or hell game. You say "City Builder' and Ill think of T-are-Bill just as equally as Cities: Skylines or Frostpunk etc. The more verbose the name, the more defining that it is. Besides, all these Bullet Heaven games already had a genre name. Why not use that one instead? Think of what Geometry Wars defined their game as. Thats the skeleton of what these games are, just with more functions and features layered on top. Heck, you could fall even further back. What was the original Asteroids game labeled as? Endless enemies, shooting projectiles, limits to your avatar that the enemy eventual overwhelm. All these are the same key factors when you strip them down. As for being a shortened name, and referencing Metroidvania and Rogue-likes/lites as examples is probably a poor choice to push for similar use of Bullet Heaven. Those were used because those were genre defining. There were no games that made as big of an impact upon the gaming world as Rogue, Metroid, and Castlevania to the point that people worldwide, in a pre-internet era agreed on using those names. All three games are Dungeon Crawler RPG (yeah even though M and CV were sidescroller, again that goes back to the semantics of defining), but they broke the known established system hard. Honestly though, There is no right or wrong. As long as you and the audience knows the meaning, using Bullet Hell or 2-D Rogue-lite arena Shooter Horde Meta Upgrade Survival Pineapple Pizza doesn't make much difference other than how pedantic and inane you want to get about the semantics of using a genre title to define things. Personally I can see the benefit of bullet heaven as a label, but I don't like it for two reasons. First, Im human, and humans dislike change. Second, to me it just sits wrong, like a negative brain worm. I dont think it fits beyond the fact that it provides ease and simplification, but thats just me lol.

BURLSHIT - Bullet Utilisation Rouge-Light Survival Heaven Incremental Trash, how's that for a name? ;) Or perhaps a BUGSHIT - Bullet Utilisation Grind Survival Heaven Incremental Trash? Either one should make everyone happy!

I think a good name for the genre Rogue Horde survival

I think bullet heaven fits these types of games perfectly

I thought you were talking about the 2015 Bullet Hell NAMED Bullet Heaven. It’s a whole series that’s been around for years, so yes, it can be confusing when you’re trying to name a genre using the name of a game that already exists. What ever the genre ends up being named, it should include the name ‘Survivor’ or ‘Survival’ in homage to the 2 games that inspired the whole thing. I like SWARM SURVIVORS because it perfectly describes what is happening, trying to survive swarms of enemies. And it’s alliterative, and that always fun to roll off the tongue 👅✌️

Just knowing about Jury nullification can get you disqualified from jury duty and not disclosing you know of it can get you in very real legal trouble. It is basically an issue most courts just don't want to have to deal with so they go out of their way to avoid it.

Negative defense is great if you get the Zealot card...especially if you also get Lunatic to multiply your -defense to absurd levels lol

Auto-Shooter can also work but it apply more than things that would classify Bullet-Heaven

They should add an exp condenser code to stop all that exp from despawning when you get too op

"Bullet Heaven" does have other, quite different, games in it. Borderlands can easily fall into that category in its later iterations. Mothergunship, Path of Exile, and essentially all tower defense games can also fall under that name. Categories are nebulous, and there are always going to be things that fall into a category that don't actually fit with what it was meant to be. Plato had a whole thing about it. so yes, Hoard Survival does work for other titles, but that doesn't make it any less valid than Bullet Heaven, as they both share that trait.

well thats a promising title

"lets go movement speed for all that running i'm doing" on this note wander, have you beaten Ring Fit yet? I didn't see any new episodes after a period and was enjoying your videos on it lol

wander broke the game so much, they added an achievement named after him.

The problem with Bullet Heaven is I feel like its a "no risk" to the player type feel. Sure some games can alter that feel but then its less of a Bullet Heaven in my eyes. I'd rather see this style of game be labelled closer to Bullet Horde, or Bullet Earth type games. I figure Bullet Earth cuz its more a mix of the two, both sides are as equal to kill each other.

It could be a horde hell

7 deadly sin build?

Wait, where is the creeper world footage. I wanna watch that.

Tiny Rouge Please😔

I thought of it as a top down auto shooter

truly broke the game GG

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Hero Horde Survival?

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Wander became so stinky everyone moved away... (⁠￣⁠ヘ⁠￣⁠;⁠) They just stopped showing up

I like bullet heaven and use that, but can someone talk to the community about the overuse of RPG? It no longer means role playing, instead it means anything with upgrades as if upgrading your gun is a character role. Sigh.

The (small) problem of putting up stream VoDs... you ask Americans to vote, 3 days late.

Where female Wander?

This would be Action horde survival vs RTS Horde Survival that is they are billions. I was with Bullet heaven when you had all the bullets and enemies didn't shoot. As soon as 1 enemy shot 1 bullet the game loses the 'heaven' part and just becomes "Bullet" On soulless making you weak, its really not that your weak without its that Soul Shop makes lets you get overpowered and you get used to being godly. I won my first ever run without much issue and that was before unlocking power cards or having any meta progress. (It was a rather lucky run to find good synergies) 40:00 about some games not appealing to all players NO game will ever appeal to everyone and no body on earth will like EVERY game. Games are made for who ever wants to play that game. Enjoy the game and play it, or dont and leave it for those who do. The industry push to get the maximum number of sales is ruining gaming by losing those games that fill a niche really well even if they will only ever have a few thousand players who feel its the best game ever made even if most people 'dont get it'.

I already got darktide I'm so excited for it and I would love to join you in it if you would allow it @wanderbots