I noticed there were slightly less highs right away, and then you showed that roll off and it makes sense. They are likely trying to prevent some nasty aliasing that tends to poke out around there. When I mix amped guitars I roll off between 12k and 15k anyway, so that isn't a concern at all.
There is some that shows up, but to be honest, slightly rolled off and in a mix, you aren't going to notice. The game changer here is that it does what the Kemper was supposed to do, only it does it almost flawlessly. Kemper kills the highs, and compresses the life out of the mids, destroying the dynamics. This feels real and can't say enough good about IK at this point. If they make Amplitube/Tonex into a pedal, it's game over for everyone else.
Wow so the renderings that leaked were real. I thought they were a mockup. Well they will get my money. Wonder how this will sound through a 100w Katana. Thanks for the headsup!
Great testing! And I like some of your licks. Now it’s even better when using the real cab miced and capture entire rig. I could achieve what I always wanted with kemper or AxeFxIII in only 2hours of training the neural network! That’s amazing for complex rig with fuzz or strange drive pedals. ToneX is a revolution. Crazy it cost so few and that they offered to horrible factory presets 😂 I’m not entirely sure it will replace my kemper. Will buy a new guitar with the money 😂
First thing I thought in the first A/B was that in a mix, it would be impossible for me to notice any difference. Even in solo, it sounds very, very close... I can hear some slight differences, but nothing that jumps out and reveals which is which. That is unreal. Looking forward for the next video and see how the Kemper/QC do!
When you start questioning your own guesses it means the stuff is really good :) We are living in awesome times, when you can copy your valve amp's sound and save on electricity bills! The only thing which I think I heard and it differentiates capture from the real thing is amount of saturation. Real amp sounds a tiny bit more "boosted". Like 1-2 dB of boost before the capture VST can make them undistinguishable. Distorion simply will get as smooth as on the real amp, because of compression
Great video. I think that looking for so small differences without flat studio headphones is a bit pointless. Studio monitors cannot show you that specific level of detail you are looking for. But you have a new happy subscriber! Thank you for the great content.
The problem with sound is the phenomena of "accommodation". Much like smell, our ears will become less sensitive on prolonged exposure. The real amp has more beef in the low and high end. The ToneX sacrifices detail on the low and high frequencies. I am listening just through a pair of crappy headphones and can tell the difference immediately. Having said that, I just ordered a ToneX. You just can't beat the price, weight, and convenience for gigging! This is where this unit shines!
Just Wow!!... yeah Man... i can ear that very little difference in the low/low end, but: FIRST: nothing that anyone can notice in a live or recording situation in a mix SECOND: nothing that can't be fixed with a small grain of eq (IF one want to fix it!) THIRD: i like more the TONEX clarity. I think that low/low is someting coming from the signal chain (maybe the CaptorX). Anyway... if the result is this... again WOW! Hope that most of the captured amps in the community are done with the advanced method!
I am really blown away, i will try this tomorrow aswell with my Engl Retro. If this comes anywhere near to this i wouldnt mind tracking with this plugin in the future. How convinient
ToneX is such a game changer. My only complaint is when I load custom IR's they are too quiet. I feel like the interface is a bit thin. need some post gain or something.
Very close, to me it sounds like tone x has a little bit more content in the upper mids maybe? just a tinny bit fatter in those frequencies. Not that it really matters for its intended purpose.
Hi, congratulations on the video, I'm also doing some tests to profile my amp (Laney VC30 combo), but I would like to ask you a question, at minute 3.14 of your video you can see a yellow line but I didn't understand what It's that accessory where it says "amp recording box", can you explain to me what it refers to? It appears when I want to capture stomp and amp together but I don't go ahead because I don't have that accessory which I don't know what it is. Thank you
The only thing I really hear is that the ToneX sounds darker than the real amp. There are times when it sounds completely identical to my ears, granted I'm not in the room to hear it, but on the youtube video there are times where it sounds scary close.
13:03 i can hear difference on my lap top speakers ....EQ without subs or eliminate certain low or upper frequencys to hear better ....or swipe with boosted region across frequency spectrum to listen in only certain elevetaed spectrum if u want to detect it ...but its real nice imitation, average listener cant notice difference at all
Really close - I’m curious to hear the shootout vs the rest. Especially considering the price difference. I’d be curious to compare a micd source as opposed to the torpedo, or perhaps using a different load box. Used to be a torpedo user before I switched to st rock and the difference is night and day.
Nice video Mendel. Very interesting comparison, i don't hear any difference. How are you use ToneX without Noise Gate and we can't hear hiss? And what your level input gain on Apollo for Tonex in percent?
I added a noise gate while editing this video in Davinci Resolve, but the noise gate was set very, very low so each squeak would get through. Input lvl was lowest as possible on my interface but I did up the gain on Cubase by 3 db or so to match the real amp.
Hey. Great video thanks! Why you didnt capture the amp with cabinet as well? I always found that real cabinet with the real amp is more difficult to capture than only amp. Cabinet adds movement, sustain and all the nice things.
2 reason: 1. In my experience it’s the opposite, making a capture with cab is easier for an device/plugin. That’s also the reason advanced mode is actually meant for Direct Amp captures. Adding a cab sort of “masks” the in-depth nuances of an real amp. 2. As an mixing mastering engineer flexibility is important to me, I rather have the advanced capture of a direct amp and having the possibility to add an cab later then to have it “baked in”. Having that said there’s nothing wrong with captures + cab, I just prefer only the amp.
@@Mendelian Opposite experience here. Even in Ola Eglund video where he did Tonex capture of the real amp/cab/mic - it is easier to hear the difference because cabinet and the mic also add something special thats not 100% simulatable, so the difference gets bigger imho. When comparing capture and the real amp through the identical IR, it is more difficult to hear the difference. (Of course it is nice to have an option to use different IRs at the mixing stage)
I actually really appreciate the no cab approach for flexibility and tbh that was what made me so excited for ToneX. Although I'm kinda bummed to see great captures like this drowned out by presets with cabs shitty cans on ToneNet...
Great video, thank you! I have Tonex from 2 weeks and I use it as plug in of Cubase. Do you know how to send program change messages from cubase to Tonex? Many thanks!
Whan Amplitube first announced ToneX i was highly sceptical it would be any good, but it's proving to be a bit of a game changer. I'd never be able to tell the difference in a mix or not A/B'd solo. I did hear a difference, but very minor. To my ears, ToneX was darker and less sparkly. Held notes sounded just the same, but initial attack, particularly on chugs had more bite to it on the real deal. Have you considered recording a dry track, then doing a phase invert on one of them to reveal where they differ?
Yes you can! Except for time based pedals like reverb, delay or Chorus and Flanger. But let's say you got your favorite studio tone with eq you can capture that.
Why is my tonex1 so mediocre i am very dissapointed with the sound .....the thing is playing with a speaker is so much better than via microphone on headphones, that last one is what tonex is emulating......can never be the same experience ❤
In a blind test, absolutely not possible to hear a difference, but if you concentrate on the low end / low mids (maybe between 120 and 280 Hz) there is something that feels more like an amp, because it is "rounder / fuller". This is the only real difference you could hear, if you know it.
its really really close..if it was a little more rich in harmonics (like adding more gain or a plugin like saturn fabfilter)...and then its perfect in capturing! ...and...some updates with some other things of Tonex!!! My other complain is that Tonex can't sound good when I load in it IRs or use an IR plugin!! what do you use for IR and how?? wow...wait ...I just tested your capture with some IRs loaded in Tonex and its the first capture that doesn't sound thin, it sounds enough properly....I don't get it!!!
I look at it this way.... This thing isnt too expensive, and would be a nice addition to a home studio even just for reamping purposes. But what is really attractive is this..... I can capture all of my Tube Amps, and get an accurate representation..... Then, when writing/recording I will use the plugin to do the majority of the labor on a scratch track. Once the song is complete and ready for the final recording I will then use the real Amp..... Less use on Tubes being that the cost is up! Can also capture Amps that friends have as well.
It flakes out every 2 days on three different systems and has ZERO manufacture support except email that returns a scripted answer 3-5 business days after you send in your support ticket. It is a half baked product and I regret every buying it.
