My two "go to" channels for trad archery is Samko & Phillips. I've learned a lot from both of you. Trad archery is a journey and I really appreciate the content you provide. Many Thanks!
Hearing an accomplished bowhunter like Jason say, “I need to be out there more, I need to practice more, and I need to try a little bit harder” is pretty incredible. The men that stand above the rest are ALWAYS learning and growing in some way. They’re never stagnant. Highly motivating video.
I used to do the same thing you mentioned: anchoring before getting the elbow in line with my arrow. The results were never consistent. Now I get my alignment first then "dip" my face into anchor and the difference is brutal.
Extremely helpful to see the things Jeff has taught us play out in real world. Just today I talked to a pro instructor anout the scapia, roatating the elbow back thing. I was over-correcting from what the true form Jeff taught me. So good to recap and work with others.
Man!, I had tbe same revelation you did, from Jeff too, Your vid" RU Good enough" made me believe it was possible, his vid "Instinctive Shooting, Why not" made me work on my form and release and now I'm getting my tightest groups ever at 15 yards from a tree stand, as well as helping me choose an arrow set up, you guys are GOLD!
Hello Jason, another thing I’ve learned from Jeff on how he grips his bow. The top three fingers he putting pressure on the riser opposite of the palm of his hand, never before have I heard of this, and I believe that’s why his follow through is so rock steady. We were always taught a loose grip so the bow almost jumps out of your hand right? Try to torque your bow hand by pressing on the front of the riser, it does not move. It has helped me greatly in my shot. Take care and best of luck hunting this season!
After my first spot and stalk hunt i learned the hard way that my upright shooting posture that worked so well in the backyard could not be replicated in the woods. I watched your many videos about this and trained with a 20 degree cant while kneeling but even that wasn’t enough because of branches and wat not. Now im struggling to find out how to have a consistent head position/sight picture, openness/expansion of the chest (which is hard to do when ur trying to stay low and hunched forward, the bow arm just doesn’t naturally want to extend the same amount), and draw length - i went from 27.5 to 26, and not plucking the string. I swear archery and bowhunting are not the same
Since I switched to the Hill fluid style , my creep is gone. When I shot a few years trying to hold, I would always creep and pluck. You can't creep if you're not stopping 😉
I picked up a subtle tip on finger pressure from Jeff last week. Shooting 3 under I always had more pressure on the middle finger. He mentioned the pressure is on his index finger. I gave it a try the other day and it made such a big difference.
Takes a good man to admit and to let go of ego and say out loud I’ve been doin something for decades and now I need to do something else to improve what it is I’m doin. Goes to show you everyone can learn something new even when your highly experienced!!! That’s why as a new trad archer I’ve left nothing off the table trying to learn what works best for me. This is why when I’m at the 3D shoots and I catch hell from other “experienced” people telling me what I’m using and doing isn’t traditional cuz I’m shooting an ILF rig with elevated rest and a fixed crawl I just smile and laugh with them. This all while I’m not missing targets, losing arrows and my scores are 50 points higher. Now I don’t care about scores but I’m outshooting those that say these things and I’m thinking to myself that I don’t care right now my goal is to get effective enough to hunt this season and right now this is what I need to do. I future my goal is to get form really locked in and to order my dream custom bow but right now this is what I need to do in my trad adventure. Again it’s good to see a long time veteran put it out there that your still learning and still evolving in your own personal adventure!!! Luv the new name too!!!
Hey Jason, one great tip from Jeff was the NAP Flipper Rest. I have a tube that holds 30 arrows of 3 different sizes but one dozen that I had didnt give me the flight even though they tested awesome but off a built up shelf from my recurve were very inconsistent. With that rest they fly great & all spin great & are within a half-grain of each other. That's why it was so surprising how terrible they shot off a natural shelf that i can screw onto my risers & hunted with in the past. However from a tree the bare shaft that hits the target nock point high with the shelf but it's perfect with that NAP Flipper Rest. Jeff knows this also cuz he is always crossing his T's & dotting his I's.😮🎉😅
Glad the flipper works great for you. a elevated flipper will always shoot better than off the shelf. And it will allow much bigger errors and spine optons.
Thanks for this simple but important tip. I flipped over and watched Jeff in a couple of his recent videos that I had missed and put what ya'll are saying into practice today and it made a huge difference. I didn't realize also that Jeff releases while his elbow is still moving back, which as he says, keeps him from any wild "plucking" motion. Thank you!!
Lol. That was good. Your channel was the first i came across for traditional archery. Jeff Phillips is just a encyclopedia of knowledge for trad. I watch Robert and Chris Spikes also. Thank you for so much information. I shoot a 1971 Bear Super Kodiak. Absolute tack driver if i do my part.
Jason I have been watching Jeff for a long time! I have learned so much from him and you and Robert Carter. I actually been doing this myself with my elbow since his video came out helping a lot. Thank you guys. And the Xop 23 inch cable's work great on the Assaults2 Thanks again!!
Glad you are enjoying all our channels and happy to hear those cables worked! I wrote the numbers down on a post it note so I always have it as well. Glad they were perfect size.
I completely agree. Jeff Phillips is one of the best instinctive archers out there and I am always learning and incorporating many of his techniques into my shot process. And I smack arrows together when I do. 😊
Anyone with these problems should listen to Bear archerys latest pod/video cast with Tom Clum sr. He explained and gives tips to prevent creeping & much more. He's saved my shot and my love for the bow
nice shooting for sure! i was told creeping forward is a collapse in form.... The best instructor not for aiming but instinctive shooting that ive seen,,, Jeff Kavanagh ...instinctive archery- exspansion through the shot.... HE GIVES GOOD SHOOTING ADVICE even if a aimer he gives good form advice.... thanks for your video Jason and pointers
The Astra Shot Trainer is a great tool for working on these issues with the release like creeping and collapsing. Another problem with creeping is that the arrow will come off the bow over-spined. So for shots less than 10 yards, it may not stabilize; leading to poor penetration.
It would take alot of creeping to change arrow spine that much. Like inches. But your correct. Creeping never bothered me at hunting distances. And when I shoot for form I never creep. When I shoot to hit what I want to i can creep do to all my focus being on my spot I want to hit. Same way dynamic shooters can hit anchor everytime when shooting for form then come up short when shooting something important.
@@SamkoTradBow That's a good point. With regards to coming to full draw before anchoring. I've learned from both you and from Jeff Phillips that when I'm hunting, my shot process should be much simpler than the shot process I use for target shooting. So, there's some rationale for the simplicity of drawing straight into anchor. Two simple steps: pull it back, let it go. Then NUSensi made a great video about thinking of it as draw, then anchor, then release. I was pleasantly surprised to find that his approach didn't complicate it. It feels less like a three-step process and more like a little punctuation mark in the middle of the simple two-step process. By punctuating it that way, it's even simpler to focus on executing a perfect draw, anchor, then focus on executing a perfect release. Using the anchor as a little punctuation mark in-between draw and release makes it easy to have consistent good form while still having a super simple shot process.
@@ThirdLawPair Very well Said! Yep practicing for form its alright to get very methodical and detailed. In a hunting situation, my opinion, is all my focus should be on the spot I want to hit and nothing else. Thats what works best for me.
@@SamkoTradBow Your absolutely right, and I think the approach you are taking is a way of getting the best of both worlds. Even in a hunting situation, you are using some of you attention to things other than the impact point of your arrow. When you raise the bow, you are thinking about being quiet and moving at just the right speed to not spook the deer. By coming to full draw before your anchor you get an extension of that same approach. Taking that tiny little punctuation mark to make sure you are at full draw before you anchor allows you to execute your best form, but without breaking your focus at all.
I can't pull back the recurve bow my dad got me anymore. My shoulder is crap since I turned about 45 and that was a long time ago! I can still pull back the compound bow, but I set it at 55 max. No more pulling 65-70 for me now that I am old.
I had rotator cuff surgery on my right shoulder 2.5 years ago. I over worked my left shoulder and it froze up last year. I bought a 35lbs takedown bow and started shooting it. After a few months I bought 40lbs limbs and shot that for about 4 months. I now have a 45lbs bow that I shoot most everyday. I also have a compound set at 62lbs and the recurve is easier on my shoulder than the compound.
Nice Jason..but..I believe you should be thinking about bringing your elbow behind you, "around you" not away from the target. It accomplishes the same thing only better. It will end your still visible creeping. Good info on this very thing with Matt and Matty Yacca on The Push Podcast. I post this in fear but it's how I've come to understand it.
Appreciate the info and tip! Im always gonna have some creep as I release by pushing my bow hand forward rather than pulling thru the release. If i pull thru in pulls my bow arm off target. pushing my bow arm triggers my release and it does pull my achor had forward a smidge until my fingers release.
Jeff I noticed gets that elbow up and bow arm. He has his bow straight out before draw to get his sight picture. He also pulls the bowstring to his eye getting that arrow inline with the target,, then to his anchor on his cheekbone. Jeff also mentions a deep index finger hook this must help him feel that index finger on his cheekbone and middle finger in the corner of his mouth.. What a mental game this is!!!
I pulled up to church a while back and saw my preacher walking across his back yard toward the church behind his house. It looked like he had injured himself and was limping badly dragging his leg behind him. Then I realized he was dragging his foot across the ground to get dog crap off his shoe.
My vision "widens" when nearing the 20 yard range. Seeing the spot becomes more difficult. My 'creep' [problem is fixed by the thought "Pull through the shoot, at release.
for many. But remeber I do not release by pulling thru the release. I release by pushing my bow arm. If i pull on my release i pull my bow arm off line. For me pushing the release works best. Ive tried it all. And back tension is not something I worry about.
