I built the dumbest off-road suspension you've never heard of 

I'm a suspension expert, and this is suspension.

Love the watts link, can't understand why we don't see more of them, never seen a horizontal one before. Bravo 👏

Mr watts is the reason we live in the luxury of today . This dude helped to lay the groundwork for the steam age

A little photographer tip: longer lenses will give you significantly flatter and dimensionally accurate images. Use the zoom lens on your phone, even if you have to step back 15’. If you have a professional camera and Lightroom, you can take it a step further, and completely compensate for the curvature of your lens to get an even flatter image. You can do the same thing with any camera/lens combo that isn’t listed. You just have to map a new profile by taking a photo of a grid and manually adjusting it.

You did what I've been thinking about for a decade but have no money to test! Thank you so much !

This is a new one on me .. horizontal Watts linkage! It's genius. My truck has languished for too long hoping to work out how to make suspension on a work truck handle desert racing conditions. I generally study standard service manuals but this ancient system in a horizontal config I never saw . Can't say I'm going to do it now I know how, Time has changed my needs and wants. Victory is mine now though since the answer has now been uncovered by you. Brilliant!

Dude, that "horizontal" watts link is the answer I have been looking for! Great work and thanks for sharing. I absolutely hate how a panhard bar shifts the whole diff so far out of center at full extension.

that's the first time seeing the horizontal watts link, killer fab skills bud.

After being your winch point at the corva event and asking about you channel, glad to see you back on here.

i just subscribed b/c the level of fabrication is insane!! you had me at watts link for rear and seeing your sas truck hit the bumps... i thought hmm i should do that too.. .then all the cad files came out and everything and i thought.."yea... this is out of my league 😂🤣😭😭😭

Great video, really impressed with your designs and execution. It's very refreshing to see someone doing it their way and sharing the reasoning

2:50 what can help with the photo reference inaccuracy is opening it in an image editing program and enabling lens correction which will stretch it in a negative fisheye way and make things more square. Not perfect, but better than nothing, and if you're using a common phone/camera it's also automatic.

Raw fabrication, welding, the grin when outcomes are better than expected. Life doesn't get any better. Great work!

Even James Watts was like "wat?" I think 20 inches of travel became 27 inches because laws of physics just gave up at that point and said, "here, just have 27 instead"

My dude starts saying shit I'm like...I have no clue what that means... but it's provocative

Got my sub this is my first vid from you I have seen. I watched super fast mat draw up a horizontal watts link for his viper and not end up building it but it is cool to see you actually build it. He calculated Wierd stresses with it being horizontal.

Glad I found you. When I was in Diesel school my ride share was in Mechanical drafting. Man we could create when together. Miss that guy

dude 3:05 ......this way of 3d modeling will save so much time!!!! that's genius omg

This is very similar to what SuperfastMatt was conceptualizing for his Viper

Superfastmatt considered that style link for his offroad viper build. Cool to see it successfully done, and on a frontier no less. Also, the vq40 sounds fine...it's just a v6 and not a big v8...you ain't going to get rumbles out of a v6.

I have been thinking of this setup for soooooo long... Thanks for proving it out!

im usually not one for an exo-cage. mainly because its harder to obtain the same integrity as a regular cage. plus the welding the insides of that cage poses an extra obstacle. but this looks amazing. the angles and bends and detail. just awesome man!

Nice idea on the designing with the reference photo. Hot tip, camera lens distortion kind of stops after 50mm focal length so you use an SLR with a 50mm lens the parts should fit. Only limitation is that it’s quite zoomed so you have to move the camera back. Which isn’t great when you are under a truck.

My overland truck, which is built on a military truck, the Mowag Bucher Duro ll uses portal axels and the Watts link front and rear.. Works Excellent, very strong.

I have a crew cab Duramax with the triangulated for link in the front and a vertically mounted watts link on the rear. Has huge custom-made bronze bushings for the center pivot and the links are forged. Ballistic ends. Keep the gas tank in the proper location and keep that axle centered. Totally slick set up you have there. I’m surprised we don’t see more of them.

Why can't I have a cool neighbor like this. Ive got a brand new knee mill I've never even used. Could have a neighborhood making cool stuff.

Here I was harrassing you forever on the grams to make more youtube videos and you never did so I stopped. Then out of nowhere you drop this 🔥🔥Keep them coming! #stayreckless

Iam so happy I found this channel. Just want my morning needed. Super information with a couple laughs in between. Thank you for putting out content!

Man talk about a underrated Car Tube channel.

ive always had the watts link idea in mind for how i wanted to build out my cherokee for the trails. never thought about horizontaly positioning it tho. this is sick

You can minimize the sideway movement of a Panhard rod quite much, but you can't eliminate it all.

Thanks for the video. Excellent fab, new heim joints are amazing. I'm old school on leaf springs, but Dirt every Day.

Nice, somebody built the matty-go-round 😂

Great job man! Very informative and engaging stuff!

the only prob w trailer bearing is the reversing direction, bearing are made to spin not switch direction, usually a bronze bushing is used.

It’s cool to see the reasoning and need behind doing something different. It’s upsetting that people believe the only thing they can ever work is a double triangulated 4 link. There’s other options in the suspension world lol

Awesome weave weld at the end of that link. Very clean

First thing i thought of was superfastmatts video on suspension, when i saw the cad of a horizontal watts link lol

Not many people would agree that too much articulation is bad. I completely agree with you!!

Superfastmatt in shambles after this one dropped

That exoskeleton looks great... it's so close to the body that it's not protecting anything if it goes in the doors or roof but...hey...we can see it's just a automotive tribal tatoo for mall crawling.

Matt’s killin me. Garrett

Watts linkages have been the default rear suspension of the V8 Supercars in Australia for many years. They have a reputation for being fragile, because only one bolt is taking all the load. But when the "load" is smacking a wall at 250km/h, it's somewhat relative.

Been contemplating a watts link on a tacoma build for a while. Nice work dude!

I think these gasoline Nissan V6 engines sound cool. Wish we had some in the Europe, all we got with D40 Nissans were gutless diesels

interesting thing of note is there is a RC F450 that uses a watts link, pretty cool model just because of it

Wow that is so impressive. I have a Watts link on my Ranger Raptor and it seems to work pretty well. It is amazing that the technology is that old.

This is so darn cool. Glad to see a new video!

Here i thought i knew my cars since i work on mine by myself....then incomes this video on my recommended and i am like....Yeah Daaamnnn that a suspension all right. Subbed.

This video was dense. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Wow brother you have some serious metal working skills! Thats a masterpiece, too bad it’s a Nissan!

Honestly someday I hope to be this good at fabrication. sadly starting to learn a little late in life. This shit fascinates me.

Awesome to see a video on this rig finally killer work !! 👍

“Same motor as a 350z which is why it sounds literally awful” ❤❤❤ thank you for the truth, Nissan makes exactly one good non-motorsport engine and they only put it in the GT-R.

Nice work. FYI overlaying CAD over photos isn’t anything new, was doing it 30yrs ago or more in civil engineering projects. It’s been a while, but if you know 5 points dimensionally you can warp the photo pretty accurately for your needs. Pretty sure handheld 3D scanners available today, probably worth the investment depending on the volume of work you do.

Dudes way to smart!!!

Excellent explanations. Thanks.

We run an 80's Saab 900 rally car and it has a phanhard mounted on top of the solid rear axle. Had problems with bending the shocks, wheel jamming up etc, so we made an adjustable panhard and it mostly worked. Then we bent the axle at the hub so super camber. Ended up replacing the tube and connects the hubs together with a much stronger one, So we have thought a ton about what is wrong with the back end. The problem with our and your panhard is where it mounts. We are planning to mount the panhard behind or ahead of the axle, make it as long as practical, horizontal at 1/2 travel and that should fix it. Negligible side to side travel so no issue with the wheels hitting the body, no bending shocks and less stress on the whole assembly. Just found your channel, so +1 Nice info. You may want to look into a de dion set up. It's another option for your builds.

I absolutely cant stand Nissans. This thing looks amazing! Hitting those bumps at that speed and the body stayed flat, wow. Great job

this is extremely interesting and quite brilliant

I don’t image that was a small bill For the customer lmao 😂😂 crazy build fellas Nice work

4:01 "Describe the ideal man" :D

I've been contemplating a watts for my 48 Willys CJ2L daily driver/overland build. I'm also looking for a creative way to ditch leaf springs without necessarily defaulting to coil-overs. I need a software package that I can mock up designs and look at how they'll move. One of the ideas that's wormed it's way into my head is the system used on the Citroen 2CV. The biggest question there is "what happens when you pair it with solid axles?"

Watts link is not unheard of in Street cars. Def never seen it on offroad stuff. But very popular upgrade in solid axle cars.

Really really cool, nice narration as well.

Yarba Mate for the win. Mint is the can of choice.

Oh I've heard of it and had one planned but the design to be robust enough for an 8k van..... On top of that is the travel issue. There is no space to mount coilovers on a van that allows any travel.

If you get a high zoom lens and take the images you are designing off of from farther away you can minimize the distortion from parallax Also your fab work looks super clean

I'm a retired grease ball but certified mechanic. You might as well have been speaking in chineese because I was lost in the first minute.😊

Scale RC crawlers recently adopted this for rock crawling.

THAT SHIT IS FUCKIN RAD MAN!! Nice work!

Hey can you build me some dumb suspension? Maybe something without shocks because they are superfluous

To reduce distortion in a reference photo. Stand back and zoom all the way in.

Tbis is definitely one of the suspensions of all time

I deleted my watts from the Discovery. Even with the "cranked" versions they still bind. I went with a panhard instead and it freed up a lot more travel. Obviously yours are a bit different than what came on the Rover. 👍

Dodge put the Watts linkage rear end in the 04 Durango and Aspen, i sold them new back then and they bragged on it back then 😁

Great vid. I'd like to try that watts link setup on a one ton swapped Jeep.

Awsome work!

Been watching on IG, this just popped up! Sub'ed!

Loved following the build on Instagram. You guys are top notch🤙

i live in the uk and im trying to build a pre runner type vehicle out of a mitsubishi l200 im trying to part together bits for suspension but no one has built one here and suspension is my next project ive just finished the engine ,gave you a sub

Very impressive! Just stumbled across your channel. I've been thinking about a very similar setup for a long time.

This build has evolved significantly over time. Uhhh, ya think bro?

I really think we all just want to see this thing rock crawl

ah an arizona plate! I am also in Arizona, build offroad subarus though. But so cool :D

I’ve seen something like this setup on a Ratrod but not near as beefy or well designed

I was going to argue with you about the sound of a 350 Z, but I realize I hate the sound V-8s make when they’re above 3000 RPM, so we’re all allowed to have engines we hate on

Superfastmatt has already/at the same time designed this type of suspension, for his offroad dodge viper. Cool to see someone else pull it off.

Dude nice video thanks you for share

Cant argue with results!

I’m just here to say I had a little contribution instigating this.

Awesome tech

Up there for thinking and down down there for dancing. And I can't fucking dance

I've seen this before, but it's still not as crazy as the half-trailing arm setup. The one that uses half of a leaf spring.

Land Rover used the watts link on the Discovery!

Impressive stuff! The smoothness of that solid axle Nissan is insane!

RU-vid needs more WEW content

hell yesto suspension!! hell no to inflection..Had to watch with the voulume down and subtitles on.

Nah, the Watts link isn't unheard of. Maybe that mounting style is. But if you ever want to build something REALLY crazy, look into de-dion suspension. It's basically a solid axle, but you take the diff/pumpkin and drive axles OUT of the equation and mount the former to the body like IRS. It's supposed to give you the "simple" geometry, anti-squat, tires parallel with ground, load transfer, and "suspension actuates in the plane that impacts approach from" thing that solid axles do while having the low unsprung mass and lack of chassis torque twist that independent suspension does. Unfortunately, there are no good modern examples in production cars. Oh, another benefit would be that you could mount the trans at the back for a more balanced weight distribution. (You could mount it right up to the diff, in fact, almost like a Corvette-style transaxle, but not like a Porche, Subaru or other mid-engine supercar style transaxle where the CVs are between the engine and trans or roughly the forward 1/4 of the trans, as you then wouldn't have clearance for the axle to travel up past it.)

Dude, if it is in a Crown Vic, then you are good to go!