Okay so I spoke with Asus today, bit of a mix up on the pricing. For whatever reason the $3,999 US they gave me was the Australian price converted to a US price, which is super confusing and doesn’t really make sense. I did ask for the US MSRP. Anyway, it’s meant to be $3,200 US which changes nothing in the review, other than the quoted price. Sorry for the confusion, Asus did apologize and said this one is on them.
Quick note on the price, I asked Asus directly via email yesterday if they had an MSRP for the ROG Matrix yet and they replied with "the MSRP is $3,999USD." I know the ROG Store has it listed for $3200 US, but it's not listed anywhere else yet. I'll try and get clarification from Asus today on the price, but in any case it's still insane at $3200 US :D
I think the card looks absolutely amazing but but at that price, it's just insane. For that money you get a full i9 13900k, rtx4090, z790 maximus hero, 32 ddr5 pc with all the bells and whistles
You could do all of those with nearly a full custom loop for the same price. Absurd. The tubes on this thing are soooo long and you're going to have extra tubing everywhere. At least with a custom loop you can control that.
it really doesn't. I've seen much better AIO cards like the Toxic or even prior gen cards from Asus themselves. It's just a big piece of useless hollow metal frame that does nothing but take up space and make the product even more case restrictive.
Gotta love Steve. “Let me do all of this super in-depth testing, but I found some other tests I could do that seemed like fun, so I tried those too.” This guy is a machine!
Considering that liquid metal will corrode copper coldplate over time, the cryosheet seems like the best choice here. Glad you included different compound results
@@Hardwareunboxed but is it more expensive than 4090ti or 5090? edit: just got to the end, you got an audible laugh, and getting that from not funny thing is feat on its own
The price is crazy high, but just the same, it's fun to see these types of products reviewed so we can at least see them in action. Kudos to Asus for making it and all of the 15 buyers who will enjoy one.
@m0rianne Same it sells at around 3000$ at the moment. Not a lot of buyers, but it constantly sells. I personally think of either buying this as upgrade from 3080 rog OC, or wait to see what Asus does for RTX50xx series.
As derBauer pointed out, the cooling plate is bare copper not nickel plated, which means the liquid metal will suffuse into it over time. It would then seem that tearing this card down to install a CryoSheet is inevitable.
I was, but i'm not sure the results are good. Not really seem to make any sense imo. Should kryosheet perform better than hydronaut, in what world does this make sense?
I'm actually surprised how much more efficient the kryosheet is over regular thermal paste I mean, liquid metal is just not interesting anymore at that level
@@whismerhillgaming ye if a thing I can just place on the GPU/CPU with no hassle nets 7C difference, what's the point? Unless you're doing extreme stuff I don't see why you would choose LM over it.
Definitely the most powerful card without conditions being setup. You can also make it cost effective, if you use it to render the plan you drew up. For robbing the Federal Reserve in order to buy it! :)
only a 2°C gap between the pad and the liquid metal ? damn that's some really good information. Those pads are so much easier to use (no risk of shorts, no drying, no diffusion inside copper...). With such a little temperature delta they will be my go-to choice from now on.
I my experience liquid metal it does no dry, however it gets absorbed/diffused in copper and nickel. I suppose in couple of years I can report the 10y and few applications on 6700k IHS, how 'fast' with absorbs with each application.
It's because the gpu die is enormous compared to a cpu, it's not really needed to liquid metal a gpu. Most run really cool already, and the huge die makes it so there isn't as much to move in a concentrated area. It's cool, and it helps, but it's not like a CPUs 8-25 degree drop (depending on generation) Cooling the core also doesn't help memory ocing either
I don't mind you doing this every once in a while. It is neat to see the crazy stuff at times. Even from you and you too should be able to have some fun playing around with stuff like this and of course you don't fail to show the performance so no one gets fooled that the price is actually worth it.
The newer 4090 silicon (AD102-301) is voltage-limited to just 1.070v. This is one reason later cores do not overclock as well as release-day silicon (AD102-300), which could utilise 1.1v. On the plus-side, the newer cores seem to run cooler at same voltage.
Nobody has tried it on this specific model but there's a tool to flash 1.1v BIOS on 1.07v models called "nvflashk" (not to be confused with the regular nvflash). In the Matrix in particular I fear (this is 100% my speculation) that you need to run its own BIOS to get proper fan speed and RGB control. Or maybe not.
For $4k at least they should make the memory cooling better than the previous ones. Also Der8auer mentioned the raw cooper and liquid metal contact will be problematic over time...
I have my FE 4090 in a custom loop and I had to use bad thermal pads on the VRAM chips on purpose, otherwise I would get worse clocks/stability than on air. I know it sounds weird but if you do search around you'll find other people who did the same, apparently GDDR6X likes to run on the warmer side (I don't personally call mid 70s hot)
But it's an Nvidia card, you're supposed to upgrade every cycle. To be honest, the kind of people dropping this kind of money to play games probably don't care about longevity all that much.
Someone get Hollywood on the line and get Steve a Oscar nomination for that straight face he kept when announcing the pricing. I don’t know how he did it but BRAVO!
Those Kryosheet numbers are insane, thanks for including that! I just ordered one for my 7950X3D to try it out a few days ago because it sounded super cool. I can't wait to install it now.
It's the pricing that makes the most sense. The kind of people that buy these graphics cards don't care if it's priced at 3k or 4k, so ASUS would just be losing out on potential profit by pricing it lower.
I love it when manufacturers try to say things like "two and a half slots" You're right, it doesn't matter if its 2.5, 2.2., 2 and 1/3 slots. Either way, that 3rd slot gets taken. Its like when people tell me they have 2 1/2 kids. What the hell does that mean? Do you HAVE 3 KIDS OR NOT?! I don't care how old they are. 3 kids, 3 mouths to feed, 3 butts to wipe,
I see where you are coming from, but it does matter for sff builds. itx boards only have 1 pcie x16 slot, but itx cases may have 1, 2, or more slots for io or clearance. That extra 0.5 does matter. Vertical mounting also requires some consideration for card thickness a well. 👍
the only sense that "two and a half kids" statement makes is in the average of how many kids families have by data collected about habitants of a certain state/region/area. there was a 90s British sitcom named "2point 4 children " because at the time of shooting it was the British national average of kids. and no, there wasn't a 0.4 kid on the show. 😂 also I completely agree with you. no matter how you put it, it's rendering 3rd slot unavailable.
I love it when casual commenters try to farm likes by mocking huge companies for things they're too casual to be even aware of. The exact height will matter for SFF builds, for vertical mounting, for modded builds, for tinker builds with extra PCIe cards that block air circulation, for weirder cases. And all it takes to inform all those enthusiasts is literally a dot and a digit.
The .5 slot designations are important for people who do ITX cases and builds. I have a lot of cases that will fit a 3.25 slot card but not a 3.75 slot card. So while yes, they both use "4 slots" they don't use 4 slots of space at the bottom of an ITX case.
@@Hardwareunboxed Still remember the first time We were putting a System together for a custommer With an Intel Pentium Extreme edition and 2 Nvidia GPU's in SLI and a ton of ram for that time and 2x 10.000 rpm Raptor disks. Always fun to build something you can't afford yourself 😄
I was wondering when the price would be dropped, had to wait towards the end. Well done Steve. It kept me glued to my little laptop and the price was forefront in my mind from the beginning. I surmised a possible $US3,000 price but $US4,000 simply blew me away and what is a ridiculous price for most will be bought and made out of stock very quickly by the nouvo rich. For us mere Aussies, the price is at least $6,000 or more depending on the greed of the retailer. Now I understand why Radeon will be manufacturing mid and lower range video cards on next their new RDNA release.
I really do love these hyper expensive SKUs of hyper expensive and overpriced graphics cards!!!!! And what a thrill to see it tied with its non-waterblocked counterparts!!!
I noticed you were able to get a stable 3ghz out of it while staying under the 450w stock TDP. Its clearly got decently binned silicone, i'm curious what kind of numbers it could push with the power draw slider pushed to 133%/600w
The Cryosheet on my 6800XT Red Devil would be fun to try if I repaste it before upgrading. Works great as is but that cryosheet may become the next go to thermal solution with those results and no worries like liquid metal.
It wouldn't make any sense since it has its own pump and it's complete and utter trash for custom loop. Pretty much like in almost every AIO that was ever made. They'd have to use normal DDC pump, but they didn't even bother to create a decent waterblock and used thermal pads for heat transfer from everything but GPU.
You are better off getting a founder edition card then just replacing the stock cooler with a Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO - 360mm RTX 4090 Reference Design with Backplate. You will save $2000 in the process and have similar thermals. And Alphacool does give you options to convert or hook that up to an already installed water-cooling system.
That kryosheet data is interesting! I put one on my 7800X3D. Would still be interested in seeing it on more GPUs. I dunno if I’ll ever take mine apart to put that in but a big enough decrease in temps would tempt me.
No… 2 years later 5060ti that is 5% faster that 3060ti! And cost only $800! You got it wrong! 5090 will be 70% faster and it will cost $4000 so there is room to increase the low end prices allso! 😂😂😂
I purchased a Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce, which is Gigabyte's equivalent AIO graphics card solution. The primary advantage of AIO-based graphics cards is the flexibility to position the radiator away from other components, especially when venting heat into the atmosphere rather than within the case. This same principle applies to CPU AIOs, where the goal is to exhaust heat into the atmosphere. The benefit of this setup is that the case temperature remains relatively low, preventing other components from being subjected to excessive AIo fan-generated heat. It's important to note that your case should be designed to facilitate this cooling approach. In my case, the Lian Li Lan Cool III proved to be an excellent choice for achieving optimal cooling performance.
It'd be cool if you looked at one of the water cooled 7900XTXs too they are crazy overclockers. (Asrock or Powercolor) sapphire's toxic version isn't out yet .
looks well built and thought out. i'd pick one up but my 4090 rog strix does everything i need and oc's well and it's white! it would be great for someone who wants to get the best of he best, buy and forget for 10 years and have $4k less lol
The block design is actually quite disappointing. The water only touched the area over the core and that's it. At least with a custom block design, you would get water pathways over the memory and VRM areas of the card. This means that this card is not only ungodly expensive for what it is, but also a poor choice for ultimate cooling performance. A custom water block will also let you chose your own flow rates and radiator dissipation, so the ambient is really the limit.
ASUS want the memory to degrade and fail so Richy Rich goes out and buys the next ASUS rip off sooner rather than later. It is deliberately designed to shorten the product’s lifespan.
@@Squashed8Ball except Richy Rich won't get that. He got a guy like Kristofer Yee who just ordered a custom case with an open loop and a water distribution backplate.
My issue with this is the fans are hooked up to the gpu so they have to conform to Nvidias hyper aggressive fan profile and looks really difficult to disconnect with the cables built into the pipes. Means this gpu isn't going to be any quieter than any other 4090. Temperatures aren't the problem with 4090's ( mine included) it's nvidias baked fan speeds making a stupid amount of noise at low power use.
That's an incredible advertisement for the KryoSheet. I'd love to see more testing with it. In 10 seconds, I went from never considered to I'm probably going to buy. Further testing replicating the results here would turn me to a definite buy. Maybe an affiliate link in the future so you can get a cut of the purchases?
I really miss cards like this despite the bad value proposition. This reminds me of those ASUS ARES and MARS models as well as that on-card AIO ASUS Matrix RTX 2080 Ti I believe it was? MSI too had some unique models back in the day with the GTX 780 Lightning and there were most certainly other cool GPUs on the market too, barely any of which we have these days.
For what it is, it's a very nice looking card ,, but it also gotta be at that price, but absolutely redicolous that it's not even 1% faster than their own "normal" OC version for all that money, I'd rather buy 2x ROG Strix and make 2 Monster Gaming machines, one with a 7950X3D and one with a 14900K just because I could, to have a build for whatever is the fastest setup for each game 😂
@@JZF629 That was never an issue, those RMAs always get rejected. It's very easy to detect overvoltage damage. RMA logistics were always paid by the customer too.
Asus has a problem with prices and quality control, is not as bad as Gigabyte but they are getting there... but the real problem with Asus right now is unrealistic price vs features in their line of products.
Also dog shit Software, bad customer service(atleast in Germany) and pretty bad motherboards since years now. Which kinda also shows on the newer gpus if u look at the board
As long as you can't increase the Voltage you just can't get much more out of her. My "normal" 4090 runs stable at around 2955 MHz and that already seems to be the lower end of what you can expect pretty much any 4090 to reach. So as long as ASUS isn't binning the GPUs for this version especially, you might end up with a similar performance as anybody else with a 4090 for more than double the price.
Really interested about those cryo sheet tests! A solution that you newer have to fix/remake is what I hope for my rig. Now i use nano carbon sheet with 5800x3d and so far have been really happy with results… Next something to GPU…
For those of you that havent been made aware if you're running really nice hardware with Starfield off an HDD you need to run it off an SSD if your experiencing a bunch of stuttering, switching from my 12TB Toshiba N300 to my WD Black SN770 pretty much erased all the stutters on my 3090 Ti LC and 10900K
Why? You could save over $2000 starting from scratch with a reference model 4090 and watercooling it. Good luck finding a plate that fits this custom PCB...
@TripmasterG No, I mean to keep the housing and block that's already on it and attach fittings to it to keep the look. Besides, I think this gen of Amd and Nvidia gpus are worth skipping. I'll consider an upgrade after seeing what the high-end 5090 and rdna 4 look like.
Have you benchmarked the MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090? I have had one for about 5 months and I absolutely love it. I think the highest I've seen it hit was 62C with ambient at 22-24C. $1800 USD MSRP
The card looks awesome, i really love their design choice. Buuuut... That price. Ouch. I could build one hell of a gaming system for that price, WITH a normal 4090 in it. I think i'll pass on the Matrix 🤣
For me, this was more a video about TG's Cryosheets. I got one for my 5900X and 5800X 3D, and within 2-3 degrees of high end paste performance. I'm sold. Best part is, I can buy 160 of them for what I'd pay for one Matrix.
A head to head in performance/ price with a RX 5700 XT/ 6650 XT or even a RTX 4070 could be fun though =) *And I am a little bit confused why the Founders Edition is not tested overclocked?!* Is it not possible? ... Because after all the design is this the cleanest for these RTX cards and would still be my choice in a "titanium build" in maybe a Fractal Design North case.
Watch most of your videos and love your thoroughness. Gave you a thumbs up on this video. One quick note for you to disregard or consider: In sales training you learn not to spend from your own pocket when helping someone find the best product that meets their needs. Some people's needs are literally, they want the best regardless of cost and they want it to look sexy. If they watch your channel, their takeaway might be that anyone who considers this product is silly or stupid or some negative term. I know that may not be what you are trying to say but it is a risk. Consider rephrasing your end of the video common sense critique to just state what you said, without the dramatic flair at the end of "trying to keep a straight face". You stated that this card vs any regular card show basically no difference in performance and that is a very fair analysis. There are examples of this super expensive card in every consumer segment including cars and trucks. You can grab a base model F150 XL that carries 1000 lbs for $35k on a special, or you can get the top of the line F150 for 90k with some supercharged raptor engine, but has the same load carrying ability. Any reviewer should cover why it costs more without doing any judging if possible. Love your channel. You do awesome work.
When catering for those that want the best of the best, money is not a barrier. Certinaly costs more than I was expecting to hear though! Nice job with the cryosheet testing!
If you want an aio watercooled 4090 out of the box the msi suprim liquid x is definitely the best. Same temps out of the box as this one, with a smaller aio allowing it to fit in tighter spaces. Also has the same industrial look this one has at a way better price
I love the design; I think there is a missed opportunity though, the metal passthrough terminals should be quick disconnects for a way to add GPU block and radiator to a preexisting open loop.
As succinctly as I can put it... It's a very pretty, finished product. But for $4000? You could literally buy a normal 4090, GPU block, liquid cooling gear for a custom loop, the liquid metal for the die (or one of those thermal sheets idk) all for less than Asus is asking for this. Hell, I could do a whole build with a 7900xt, for less than this thing.
"today were lookin at what can be best described as an absolute absurd product that makes no sense if you look at it from a value perspective" Could be talking about ANY current gen nvidia GPU really
Nothing I'd ever buy, but it is really rad looking and looks like a pretty solid design overall. Only thing I'd change is make it easier to disassemble so that it's not such a paint to replace the liquid metal when it dries out.
My TUF Gaming Radeon RX 6900XT "TOP" Edition overclocks to a locked 3,077MHz from 2390MHz...lol. 82c on the GPU die with 90c on the hotspot, gaining an impressive 15-20fps at 1440p high settings in CP2077. nVIDIA used the ASUS TUF RX6800/6900XT Gaming OC cooler for the 3090ti. Running a RX6800 with the 2.9 slot TUF cooler basically guarantees a solid setup. There were essentially identical gains with the RX 6900XT TOXIC series from Sapphire. My "AIR Cooled" TOXIC card was factory overclocked to (2425MHz) though, held a solid 2.91GHz manually, with the 16GB's of 16Gbps GDDR6 going up to 18.6Gbps. The Liquid Cooled "LE" "Extreme Edition" "EE" card boosts to a crazy (2525 MHz) with the TOXIC-OC hitting 2.73GHz) Though, it can hold a steady 3013MHz thanks to its "XTX-H" silicon. A 500MHz+ GPU clock frequency boost netting a 15-20fps jump is a nice gain. Navi does scale with frequency. I bought all these cards for the price of one 3090ti Matrix...lol
Well, that was awkward. I had a RTX 20x0 with AiO once, when EVGA was still around and the whole thing was more affordable, and you really only want those cards for peace of mind on the hotter days and for the lower dust accumulation. As usual, the memory isn't included in the cooling circuit for some reason. In general, if you've got a good case, then there is no need for one.
The issue with this card, as with all 4090's really is you don't need absurd cooling because the stock coolers are monsters already so your gains are going to be marginal at best and could easily be matched with tweaking the stock settings and fancurves.
This gpu looks awesome. Id be pissed if the 12vhpwr connector on this gpu melted though. That GPU Tweak3 is very interesting though. If that app could make the GPU run in safe mode automatically when detecting high temps on the connectors, that would be a great work around. Wish that type of safe guard were available for all 12vhpwr gpus.
I hate that I have ASUS ROG tastes but an ASRock budget. I have, however, through tireless research, put together my dream PC: Dark Hero, 5900x, 6950 XT... And an Exos 18TB HDD Steam library. Woot Woot!
