@@KA-su9ww Live your life well and happily. None of my gay relatives is out there playing a Russian roulette with HIV, regardless the advanced medical care.
@@Ken-bz7kj That's why I am bothered by the "HIV is no longer a death sentence" mantra, which my teenaged relative knee-jerk replied when I asked him what he was taught about HIV in school. I understand that people want to lessen the stigma for HIV sufferers, but I'm afraid this "it's no longer a death sentence" is mistranslated into "don't bother with condoms and contraception, because a magic pill can cure HIV with no side effects!" which is clearly FALSE.
There were a couple of silly doughnuts who were slamming the girl in the middle, but most of us sensible people here are agreeing with the girl in the middle.
she is acting fkn immature, its not about her and her temper tantrum, if she cant handle it without being a rude she can leave the set. Its unprofessional, obnoxious and she acts like a teenager.
@@milesdavis5893 You are completely wrong. She has a right to behave in such a way, because obviously what this man is doing is putting himself at risk and is very silly behaviour...putting others at risk too. Not everyone can keep their cool, and not everyone should keep their cool. The guy looked like he could cheekily just get away without anybody complaining about his behaviour...the girl in the middle had all the right reactions. Yeah, she did go a bit over the top, but the dude who wanted the HIV is the one who should be blamed the most.
Theres another video on their channel about the same topic and it’s called bug chasers, in it one of the guys they interview has the exact same crazy eyes so i think this might be the same guy.
@@dailytrash8540 Yes. It looks like the guy that took Nathanial to his cruising spot and talked about implied consent. IIRC, he also was only positive for 18 months (like the guy in this video), and was not taking medication.
I think people who want to contract HIV are mentally ill and need help. And I think there is no justifying wilfully contracting it because every person who contracts it increases the chance that someone who does not want it may contract it. And for a lot of people, contracting HIV is still a death sentence, in the sense that it feels like it ruins their lives and can make them suicidal.
It's not even that. It's the "gift givers" that are way worse. Idc how much of a conversation you've had with someone. Giving someone ANY illness, knowingly so, is awful. I get mad if someone comes near me with a cold lol. But that's horrific. If someone wants hiv they have a mental illness and by giving it to them you are taking advantage. Pure and simple
Ronan there is another c4 doc vid on this and I couldn't press to watch but I thought it was this video and thought I will never watch if I don't press eventually so I took enough courage to press and view
@@Kenny-yl9pc yes I do, it’s sickening. You’re putting the other person at risk either way. I feel extremely bad for his ex. No doubt she was traumatised by the whole thing and he talked casually about it as if it was nothing 🤢 it was probably the worst part of the story
@@Kenny-yl9pc…..what exactly are you saying? Regardless of sexuality cheating on your partner is messed up. Saying that he had protected sex when he cheated multiple times like it somehow makes it not so bad that he destroyed his partners trust is a huge problem.
Gay/bi men who have homosexual sex and then have sex with their partner are statistically more likely to pass on diseases. It's a whole nother level of risk and should be acknowledged as such. Everything isn't about what you feel is fair. @@Kenny-yl9pc
Everything isn't about moral grandstanding and looking down your nose at people. Learn the statistics on cotracting diseases. He put his wife at disproportionately high risk. @Kenny-yl9pc
It’s like saying I’m scared of getting cancer so I’m gonna actively try and get it so I can live freely without worry about getting it, its completely delusional and so far from human survival instinct’s
@mind5403 there’s lots of everyday things that I avoid as it has chances of bringing on cancer e.g smoking , fast foods n the rest. There’s things u can do to prevent catching STDs like condoms what a brilliant creation , prevent diabetes from lowering ur sugar n carb intake , having someone teach u to swim before getting in water on ur own to lower ur chance of drowning . It doesn’t mean ur living in fear its simply just survival
HIV is something u can try and prevent as much as u can and Cancer is something u try and prevent as much as u can doesn’t matter what scale but they are both still life threatening diseases and u have got to be mentally ill to want to try and catch it
He said he didn’t go on PREP because he was already on medication for a different illness, but intentionally contracted HIV that will put him on multiple medications is insaneeee. Prep is only one pill a day
These chasers/givers are a slap in the face to all those who've suffered with HIV and AIDS over the years. And then having the gaul to use the NHS to medicate it, AND the fact this one works in health services?! Mind-blowing. 🤯
If you spend your entire adult life working and paying into the NHS, why should you not have the right to use it as you choose? Or is his money just supposed to pay for other people's health care and not his own? Why should everyone else but him be entitled to his NHS money/investment?
@@dorothy6361 Yeah to a point. I mean the NHS shouldn't be abused either even though people pay in. If you're deliberately self harming ( and getting HIV can be looked at as self harm ) then that shouldn't entitle you to help.
When I hear "modern worship of pleasure" I feel disappointed by the education system. How can people be so shortsighted? I understand they don't teach you about dgnracy throughout the history but this is childish and immature. I don't even know what to say but maybe read something because the times you live in aren't the pinnacle of human behavior in terms of the lack of inhibitions. Majority of terms describing sxul ftshes aren't modern. People have been always fcked up and the faster you accept the reality, the better. The complexity of human brain remains undiscovered so understand that now undetectable differences can be responsible for these atypical behaviors which means it's always been like this. shock, anger and prevention is needed but don't make it about the end times of dgnracy because it's childish. Just read.
I agree with the woman in the middle. You're an adult, grow up and be responsible for your actions. If you want to be hedonistic all the time...and if you want to play with your life by having non-protected sex all the time...and if you care more about pleasure than about the health of your own body...then something is seriously wrong with you, and you need to go to a Psychologist or a Psychiatrist or something. I was gutted when I got my Herpes diagnosis many years ago...I'm not a blithering doughnut who is pleased with my Herpes status and who wants to pass my Herpes onto other people. Jesus Christ, it's quite surprising that such people even exist...these bug chasers and intentional bug spreaders.
@@itsjuanjuan1 Thank you madam, I agree with you. In fact, I recently remember some people online who were begging me to pass my Herpes onto them. I refused and I thought that those people who were begging me to pass Herpes onto them were crazy and mentally ill. Have a good weekend by the way, madam :-)
Many people don't know that Epstein-Barr Virus (Mononucleosis) is a Herpes virus. You can't see anything visibly. It can cause myalgic encephalomyelitis, (proven to be worse than terminal cancer, Parkinson, AIDS, MS, diabetes etc. ) People die of M.E. There is no treatment, no cure, no clinic and no help at all
My father in law died from AIDS related complications. My husband never recovered from what we witnessed him going through and it literally killed our marriage. My heart breaks for anyone who has to go through that…
Ummm not really a mental health issue, if they are obviously aware of the dangers & can talk freely about it ,there isn’t any confusion or misinformation then there is only a disgusting choice
I cannot get my head around this. Although I understand the guy with the diagnosis is trying to come from a place of psychoanalysing the struggle and seeing it as reclaiming power, it's mental gymnastics. To fetishise an illness that took thousands of lives in the 80's feels more like an FU to the struggle, the pain, the medical research that doctors had to fight to get funded, the progression in acceptance and how now it CAN be survived. It's an FU to impoverished countries who cannot afford to treat this illness, it's psychopathic, immature, narcissistic and ridiculous. Stop trying to normalise every single fetish, this is NOT OKAY.
As an 80/ 90s kid who grew up in the San Francisco bay area this is absolutely wild to me. Like unthinkable. The utter devastation this disease caused, the millions of lives destroyed. I can’t even fathom what this person is doing. And I can totally understand the panels anger.
The guy in the mask is defo the bloke in the previous bug chasing video looking for men among the trees lol. So messed up. I agree with the woman in the middle 100000% just can’t get my head around it
The only reason they need a platform is so the rest of us know they are out there doing this crazy shit. This man was married to someone who did not consent to being a party to this.
I was recently diagnosed with HIV and the few weeks after my diagnosis were the hardest, I wanted to take my own life because I felt disgusting and unwanted, why would someone want this? it makes me so angry, I got it from someone who didn't even know they had it and it was devastating for that person to find out and it breaks my heart that this is still a public health problem and the sigma that comes with it is unbearable!!!
omg same, I felt the same way, I got it some months ago and I've been feeling extremely depressed and wanted to 3nd my own life many times, the worst part is that I got it when I lost my virginity (at 19), my first ever experience ruined my life. I dont like how fewer people talk about stds when it's still a big issue, that's why I wasn't aware at all and knowing that there are people who think it's not a big deal makes me feel disgusted.
I'm so sorry for you. I got diagnosed with a progressive illness a year ago, its mentally so hard. I literally lost my job because I couldnt focus well enough...
The one in the pink too, she’s just less emotional and more diplomatic in her responses/ questions. They need to off this asshole he is a danger to society
I don't get how you'd feel more "liberated" having sex after an HIV diagnosis if you're then living in fear that you'd pass it on to your partner, unless you don't give a shit about your partner getting infected.
@mind5403Given how much power they have and how much their bullshit beliefs have taken hold of most institutions, I think we all have every right to be concerned. We just watched a gay man try to blame straight people for his reckelessness and shame a woman for voicing her disgust at someone who is deliberately spreading HIV....and not one person on that set stood up for her. That should tell you what kind of power these people have.
Im down with the gorgeous lady in the middle she knows what she talking about.Dude with the mask is a total nutcase but guess its kinda the same thing as those who wants to be amputees and such.
Wtf 😳 I need to leave the UK 🇬🇧 This country has gone down the pan. I'm 100% with the girl in the middle. He doesn't want to disclose how many he's infected….. He Needs locking up!
The black girl was spot on and I salute 🫡 her! God bless her. The other two, both being gay and sorta understanding that it’s okay… no… it’s a terrible thing! There’s nothing to be understood. It’s selfish as f**k! Don’t strain the NHS with your selfish decisions!
You’re talking about someone whose an activist trying to educate and protect people from contracting AIDS. What have you done to protect the community from HIV? It would be obvious to anybody not blinded by homophobia that someone working in HIV activism would want to understand the psychology of people undermining their work.
@@muffininorbit Well, I protect the community because I don’t go out sleeping with men or injecting drugs… so, therefore I conclude that is my activism.
Love the girls here, the comment about using the NHS resources was exactly my first thought, Im glad they spoke their mind and didnt try and be diplomatic, nice one ladies 👏
Everytime I think society has reached the pinnacle of sexual depravity I am reminded it can always get worse! It’s so depressing and concerning. Our society is crumbling.
This is what happenes when degenaracy is leftt unchecked and allowed to flourish. The loonie leftie open and "tolerant" society has led us down this path. Our counttry is seeing the rise of Islamd, immigratilon we all know why. But I am starting to come to a point where maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing after all? Get all this woke depravity in check!!! Can't believe I am even saying that but this is how far its pushed me....;
This bug chaser is crazy. I have Herpes, and I remember some people begging me to pass Herpes onto them...this looks like a new bug chasing trend!!! Social media and stuff make the crazy people more well known!!!
@@ButDidYouDieeee Yep, I did more research into it after I made my previous comment, and I realized that this has been happening for decades and stuff.
"The fear that you're gonna get HIV ruins your intimacy for good." Intimacy with whom? Strangers you meet in the woods? That's not intimacy. If you have one partner, you're both tested, and you're not fucking around with everything that moves, but remain faithful to your partner, than what are you worried about? HIV isn't the issue, your depraved lifestyle is the issue.
This is ignorance. They should have lived in 80’s, 90’s when people were actually falling like flies. The pain, the anguish, the suffering…💔 Infecting yourself voluntarily is a spit on the face of those who fought this horrible disease on all grounds. Despicable!
This is the logical conclusion of liberalism and homosexuality. Look how the other gay men went straight to his defense and is implying that we should tolerate behavior like this
I would even dare say add racism and misogyny, too. The bald white gay guy kept trying to talk down to the black lady in the middle and down play how serious HIV is just because he has it too and he acted like the lady was being too harsh, in my opinion she was not harsh enough! The guy in the mask probably needed tough love before he got so fucked up and crazy! Lines need to be drawn.
My issue is that if this guy (or any that purposely want to be infected with hiv & do end up having hiv) have a medical emergency where they’re bleeding, need a surgery or even a simple blood draw then that exposes totally innocent bystanders & health care worker, ems etc. one accidental needle stick with their blood and that healthcare worker is potentially hiv positive now too & they cld be pregnant, have a spouse, kids etc. if a person is a smoker & that causes them to get lung cancer that cannot be spread to innocent people so therefore this is different & inexcusable, imo.
The nhs shouldn’t have to treat some one who’d actively seek out a chronic disease, imagine blaming society for such behaviours people like him and the other dude need to comprehend accountability
I find this absolutely crazy, it’s like slow suicide.. what happens if or when you change your mind about it? I’m sure he will regret his decision when he’s on his death bed. Madness 👎
I can understand not wanting that constant fear of "when am I gonna catch HIV?" looming over their heads anymore, and even though I'm not gay I know there's nothing easy about going through that. Bug chasing is a mental illness. If you're starting to think you want HIV, please talk to a crisis line immediately and tell your doctor instead of willingly catching the disease
No, it’s the depravity of humanity that’s responsible. If they lived during the early days of the onslaught of the AIDS/HIV pandemic, they would pray and take every precaution to not catch this deadly virus.
The guy on the right aacting like the girl in the middle is mad for being disgusted pisses me off. Also makes me sad that these people are in my community,
I’m so angry for all the people in the 80s who died from this disease and for the people who live in countries where they are forced into the sex trade or where infection rates are high and they don’t have access to life saving medicine. This is insanity.
Yes, a murderer, that's how I see him too. The supposed consent he speaks of, if true, is given by mentally ill people. It's illegal to take advantage of the disabled.
I live in Atlanta, Georgia. They gay population here is HUGE. I've known about intentional infection for years. It's a very dangerous place to date, as homosexual infected men are also sleeping with heterosexual women who have no clue that their husbands and boyfriends are gay. 100% truth. Very scary dating scene here.
I live in South Africa and its one of the worst places when it comes to Hiv and Aids, i do believe down low men are the main reason it's still prevalent today.
why use people who are so shallow and cant debate or express themselves without moaning, swearing, name calling or walking off? the man was the only one i wanted to listen to.
The fact he’s being validated is really odd. I only agree with the woman in the middle. There are other ways to work through pain other than literally infecting people with a deadly disease, bro.
the bald guy is not talking sense too.. having pleasure after knowing there is no "harm" in sex is what he see in them but it is different from them who intentionally getting HIV.. these people are intentionally getting it. is just weird. Im undetectable on meds but my status is a stigmata for me forever in terms of career or relationship and it is definitely causing a big thing in life.. well unless this bug chaser choose it to end their life as suicidal way which is a slow painful death and not a good way to suicide
A big reason the HIV epidemic happened was because men thought it was their right to not have to take precautions. They view that as a woman’s concern.
freaks me out that someone even would *think* about consciously contracting a terrible illness like that. why can't he just be happy with being healthy? if i could just be freed of my chronic, disabling illness (inherited, not contracted, tho...) i would do *any*thing . a part of it is, it just *costs* so much, and never mind 'free healthcare', you need to pay some part of it yourself, & for me, not having a 'medically trending' illness, i get to pay more than some old guy who can't get it up & gets Viagra for free . but i digress.. but this Wolf guy who activelly seeks out infection & then obviously expects medicine (free from the NHS?) to control the illness later on, that's just entitlement on another level .
Sure he’s telling these people his status and having these conversations but what’s keeping the people you’ve now knowing infected from infecting others unknowingly because I doubt all of these people are waiting till they get tested (which can be up to 3 months until you are detectable) to have unprotected sex with another individual that are probably not participating in this fetish and derailing their lives forever theirs still a stigma around hiv so for someone to be purposefully doing this… I just can’t wrap my head around Ps I’m not demonizing the general populace that are hiv positive because these are still people, NORMAL people, in fact I’ve had/have friends that are undetectable and have had sex with people that are undetectable but this is not right the people that I have spoken to that have been personally affected by this is sad
Exactly ! I just do not believe this only effects the consenting people, whether intentionally or not. Innocent lives are being ruined. If they spread to a woman, a baby could even be born with it.
FYI, being clinically undetectable does not mean you do not have circulating HIV in your bloodstream, which you do. When one undetectable has unprotected sex with another undetectable, BOTH partners realize an increase in their HIV serum levels because of the added introduction of HIV from the partner. This practice can turn both undetectables into people with detectable serum HIV levels, which presents an increased heath risk to both of them and any other partners they have. Science.
