I DESTROYED a European City with U.S. Planning (in Townscaper) 

Love the video concept! Any updates on the city planning card game one of your students made and you live-streamed? Please make your past livestreams available to watch on RU-vid.

I saw the Beverly Hills video on Nebula first, which is how I knew you’d have a new one up on RU-vid. 😉 I have some comments on that one, but as Nebula doesn’t have a comment system I’ll wait for it to come up here too and re-watch it. ❤

Hi Dave. Can you make a video on how good city planning helps in law enforcement or any video which relates city planning and law enforcement?

Next video idea: Ruining a European city with Indian planning in Cities Skylines.

YEP CHICAGOLAND

Anyways...

​@@Dotcandolet's build more

True.. We have to move soon because of the same reason (Norway here)

@@YuiAnine People think it's just America, but it never is. Such building practices can and do happen anywhere.

@@passiveagrsivesmeerschwein2320*heavy breathing* more… lanes?

A lot of it would be demolishing the freeway in the city (but not outside) and replacing it with greenspace and high end commercial development, and some high end apartments, unfortunately not enough and not diverse enough housing :(

Ðat would be cool

@@dwarftoad That is why you should build under the ground. You can basically build an underground industrial city for the poor to fuel and resupply the above city for the rich. That way products will be way cheaper in shops and crime will be down.

@@mver191 ah yes, lets make a dystopian city like in the movies (it will work great i promise!!!)

​@@mver191 generally destabilizing the ground *directly* below your city isnt very helpful... Also yeah, sounds dystopian. And all in the name of cheap prices and lower crime (why would it be lower? or do you mean *literally* crime that takes place lower in altitude?)

As a Swiss who never lived right next to a road I hate road noise too.

You and your hearing deserve better

I love noise (yes I am insane)

Reasons to live in the suburbs (except along the highway)

Meanwhile I, a poor guy in Poland, live in a social flat that used to be a part of a 19th luxurious apartment in the heart of the city.

update: now stuytown/peter cooper village has become "affordable" in the nyc housing market

@@the.abhiram.r Wow , how ?

We have a lot of developments like that in germany, not always towers, sometimes its low or midrise buildings instead. But usually relatively small. But the "park" areas tend to just not be used at all. Either because its just a lawn the inhabitants arent allowed to do anything with, or because noone living there has any reason to use the park area. Children are often told to go somewhere else to not disturb the neighbours with noise, while grown ups tend to go somewhere with amenities, also because they tend to work either in a different part of town, or in a different town altogether. So the inhabitants tend to only use their actual apartments, but go to less restrictive spaces for everything else.

US planning is better than Indian planning.

the core difference between (primarily) western europe and the USA however is, that while the USA still Largely refuses to get rid of car dependent planning (ie one of the cities in the US that is doing the most for a less car dependent city, is incidentally the same that keeps widening its highways MASSIVELY). In the meantime europe has been doing alot to get itself back under control, especially the dutch, and i am happy to say that germany is also catching up now. Euopean cities are also generally waaayyy less car dependent from the get go than american cities - even in some of the worst, its still relatively better than in alot of americas best

Not sure if it's worse that it wasn't so much shitty urban planning as it was nefarious. It was intentionally bad for regular people.

@@historyman9436Europe’s cities are fundamentally different than most North American cities. They are older and largely constructed before the advent of the automobile. Most of the car dependent cities in the US “urbanists” crow about were constructed during the explosion of the personal automobile. These cities are fundamentally driver oriented cities. That’s why “reclaiming” roads in places like NYC, DC etc is easier than in places like Houston, Dallas, LA etc.

@@MelGibsonFan Thats just simply not true however While the first car was invented in 1886, it took a LOT longer than that to became a valid alternative to horses, especially to the middle and lower classes. That happened from 1908 onwards, and even then, streets were a very mixer bag, with pretty much anyone and anything being on them until around 1930, at which point "jaywalking" was made illegal. Now if you are trying to tell me that most of the US was suddenly built during and after WW2, then a) thats an outrageous claim to make and b) only really weakens your point. If you can manage to create a massive sprawl of cities in under 100 years, surely it wont take as long for you to reverse that, right? Or are you trying to tell me that America went from being a land inhabited by noone, to a country that can erect THOUSANDS of cities and towns out of nowhere, to a land that is too stupid to do what it *just* (and partially still is) did? Lets take a look at the examples you gave: Houston was founded in 1836. That is just about 100 years until jaywalking was made illegal, and 50 until the car was even invented. Similar thing with Dallas, it was founded in 1841. Now however comes the icing on the cake - LA was founded in 1781. Thats right, LA is older than the US of A. ADDITIONALLY, your point of "Well europe is alot older" falls flat once you concided Just how much this continent continually went through. Especially Germany got ravaged loads of times, and after ww2 most of europe was one massive ruin. And yet, after the war, loads of cities built up in either American fashion (aka Car Centric) or got the soviet treatment of so massive alleys that would make even American Highways blush. Why do you want to settle for mediocrity if you could just go for greatness? It doesnt have to perfect, but if it can be better, why do you refuse to make it so?

Me too!

The singular dev, Oskar Stålberg, made this game as a hobby project and has explicitly made the statement multiple times that the simplicity is the point. He doesn't want to "gamify" this project in his own words. I wouldn't expect that expansion pack anytime soon I'd say.

@@AyaKhohe should make the game free then

I thought this was going to be an ad for the game. But it turned out it's not great for converting a mediaeval European city into an expanding US one! I suspect the 'elevated highway' is actually some kind of tool for building city walls, hence the irregular shapes. But what really disappointed me was that I was expecting classic grid line streets of a US city, extending far out so you get to house numbers with 4 or 5 digits. I guess this happened sometime in the 60s and 70s, but was missed out of this video.

@@rogink There are no right angles in twonscaper. A grid is simply impossible to do (as far as I know) in townscaper

Ahhh, but that would be a much bigger project!

I think he does; I believe he has a channel called 'City Planner Plays' where he builds different livable communities.

@@HHSGDFootballJPD well that's definitely awesome and I'll probably check it out. But I'd like to see basically this video, or something similar, like a lesson plan, but with C:S

@@HHSGDFootballJPD Also, on this channel, lol

​@HHSGDFootballJPD thats not the same guy

Or apply some more time. Let the strip malls fail and be redeveloped. The mall torn down and replaced (not a perfect example but the cache valley mall replacement plans could be a good model for an imperfect approach)

Yes. What do we do when the damage has been done?

What's already happening is communities are failing to pay for maintenance, so their roads are failing and water/sewage becomes a problem. Other places get killed by climate change, flooding risks get uninsurable, wildfires burn down places etc. Nature isn't negotiating, it's a force (of nature).

nerd

Unfortunately for this plan there just isn't enough housing, we need to get denser housing first in most places before this could start, I'm not sure where this could start currently

​@wuyhklki4296 right and I'm assuming you think that a brutalist almost dystopian city is a much nicer place to live in than a house in the woods, mind you with the same amenities the brutalist home has.

It's very expensive monetarily and energy wise turning brownfield sites into suitable farmland again. There is so much infrastructure that has to be ripped up. The most ecologically sensitive way is to limit new development to brownfield and grey belt land. Old decaying low density suburbs through planning can be replaced with mixed use developments and light industry, it is much better to provide job opportunities and housing close to existing infrastructure than trying to create dense urban areas with commuters still having to travel across the city.

True true. Though I'm guessing parking lots is not high on the list of additions for the Townscaper devs.

That could be a good one!

Something likeFresno? What a sad place.

​@@CityBeautifuljust leave giant empty gaps

Never go full Moses.

no they werent, your fav youtuber here, is one urbanist, who wants everyone to live in a 15 minute city, and be confined to it and never see the light of day in a free country, and america did not destroy historical monuments

@@SJRS700 how about heritage sites? The singer building was destroyed intentionally in 1968 for One Liberty Plaza. What about that? Pennsylvania Station, one of many historical jewels in New York was destroyed in 1963 to make way for Madison Square Garden Arena in 1968. What about this? Many historical buildings were either voluntarily demolished or intentionally demolished, many people (you possibly) just don't know what they were bulldozed for. It could be a pointless office building, it could be a parking lot, it could be a parking garage, apartment (which might be reasonable), casinos and resorts (look at Las Vegas), etc. Also I was talking about the late 19th-early 20th century when cars were very limited back then.

@@twoelectrik Yeah look at Las Vegas, destroyed so many ancient buildings in an unhabitable desert to make casinos right? Also they werent just destroyed, do you know how things work?, If I buy a building I can destroy it to make another building, Its not destroyed, its demolished, A heck ton of building were destroyed in a war in europe lol, and many others to make other buildings, thats how it works. if its not protected I can buy and make my own building, its called Freedom kid

@@SJRS700 "15 Minute cities" or as well call them in europe 'small cities', are perfect to actually see light of day since there is an actual countryside just a few walking minutes away from everyone's home. In modern mega cities with their urban sprawl and in every US city with their massive massive suburbs eating up all the countryside most people can't actually reach any "light" without buying and maintaining a car and then driving for an hour or two. We bulldozed the best farming land and stuffed everyone into sprawl developments not thinking for a second that this is unnatural for humans and leads to depression and anti social behaviour as well as destroying the relationship between the city and the countryside.

@@swunt10 yeah Europe will have a lot of countryside when the gov snatches up all the land from the farmers, and American cities are way more green, open, and not congested with concrete and closed up buildings like in Europe, and have way more farming and countryside land than europe could ever dream of. Yeah atleast we have roads unlike your european cities, get in a train and bus like a loser with no freedom because everyone is dirt poor and loser that they cant own and maintain a car. Depression and anti social, americans are way more friendly and helping than europeans can ever be in their whole dream commie land. American cities build with nature, not just building anywhere and concrete it all up and congest it all, we build with wood, not just pour concrete everywhere.

NOPE its a Long Moto-Hotel

You joke buts how much money saved though..... YAH NOPE

@@AMPProf The Ultimate Motel

I did find a neighbourhood in Australia quite lovely. Think it was Mermaid Beach or something. All the homes there have access to the canal that goes to the ocean. I could take my little yacht and go sailing as easy as I could get in my car and drive.

idk quite often churches are the only things left of former communities that were destroyed in the 50/60's eg. St Joseph's in Sailortown Belfast

Thanks for mentioning, will look into it! You really realize how focused we are of few countries when things like this happen and there's little echo of it in advanced countries. We need people to tell these great stories.

Yeah, sorry about the audio issue. Thanks for watching until the end!

This is not canada?

​@@AMPProfyeah but america could make their suburbs look nicer

I played that just to cause my nuclear power plant to meltdown. I can't get residents to stop moving out and abandoning their homes no matter how much I bow, apologize, and reassure it's safe. Get back to the farms and export my fruit!

I second this motion, Calling on a Third.

he just bam.. Highway..

Or your average Southern city.

Slowly working my way through it, I do the the audiobook, but for some reason I can not be trusted with it in the UK

@@ap9970 Yeah, Robert Caro drags, but its so damn informative.

I spoke too soon!

thats so sad 😞

"I've done it, it looks terrible as I imagined! It's fantastic!" US positivism really applies everywhere!

sounds like eastern europe

You should like the Middle East then.

what .. OK YES GOOD idea CAUSE: WOOSH u lost me

Shorter videos will only decrease attention spans.

@@untruelie2640 You should inform yourself on the insane diversity and neurodiversity of humankind

@@untruelie2640 Well, but if the opposite is to watch 1-hour long videos...