"I DO NOT RESPECT YOUR GROUP!" 😡 Neil Warnock has an on-air CLASH with referee support group boss!

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@Wes-kj5sy 2 года назад

Warnock is the last of a dying breed. Everybody will realise when he’s gone. Games full of media trained robots answering questions with the same answers week in week out.

@truckie9290 2 года назад

Bang on, as he said, your Arteta's must be a dream 🤣👏

@truetothegame2928 2 года назад

useless; he has done nothing in football ! top clown

@Matt-mc2gd 2 года назад

This talk show sums up just how far down hill has talksport has come. It's awful compared to what it used to be. Bring back the 2 Mike's and Keys and Gray. It's awful now

@IWTBF 2 года назад

He is part of the old school brought up in the tough old working days

@truetothegame2928 2 года назад

@@IWTBF Warnock should have been a sales rep for a chalet site.... these old hoof it long managers are the reason why we cant produce our own players... the real dinosaurs ! get rid.... or put them on channel 876 on sky; along with Harry Redknapp & Tony Cottee... they can talk about the old days on there..

@huckelberry201 2 года назад

Way to initiate positive dialogue between 2 people : ‘so he thinks you’re an embarrassment’

@jasonahdjfhsdfg 2 года назад

And then they cut off his reply. Talk sport with their agendas.

@n1kurd 2 года назад

Lmfaoooo

@markharrington9265 2 года назад

😂😂😂

@mnemonija 2 года назад

Jerry springer show. Really embarrassing. For Simon mostly, he used to have a football club and a boat, and look where he is now.

@kristianbarrow5438 2 года назад

Big up Neil Warnock we need more people who tell it how it is..... Best part is he's absolutely right in what he's saying.

@jasonahdjfhsdfg 2 года назад

Oh get a grip. Football needs characters like Warnock. When Klopp does it it’s “passion” when Warnock does it you call him a disgrace. What a load of nonsense, refs deserve to be criticised.

@dozz87 2 года назад

Klopp gets roundly mocked when he does it

@si4632 2 года назад

@@dozz87 rightly so

@dozz87 2 года назад

@@si4632 but the whole point Jason Eagles was making is that Klopp gets a free pass and Warnock doesn't...

@si4632 2 года назад

@@dozz87 klopp does get a free pass from talksport and sky and the bbc its only the fans that mock him

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@taylorrusso2042 2 года назад

How can refereeing associations accuse others of being an "embarrassment" when they claim to be anti-bully? With all due respect, English referees are some of the worst in world football and they're massively over protected. I mean, it's literally against the rules for managers to tell the truth about their performances in interviews, and if they do, they're fined. Tell the refs to get their ducks in a row and actually manage the game correctly and there won't be criticism, but to complain when they're already massively over protected is laughable.

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere 2 года назад

the quality of refereeing at the euro just went to show how behind the English refs are.

@dannyb67 2 года назад

Well said

@ellisdeakin2262 2 года назад

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere in the World Cup 2018 not one premier league ref got invited yet refs from Mexico did league nobody watches shows how bad English refs are

@lezflex1 2 года назад

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere I saw that too,everything from the use of VAR to gameplay decisions exposed the lack of quality in English refereeing!!

@mohamedismaciil9239 2 года назад

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere i think its because to become premier league refree has become corrupt all their refrees are chosen based on recommnedation from other refree i dont think a single refree is their on merit its a like a closed while rest of europe its open to everubody

@bikoe_1875 2 года назад

Warnock isn’t scared of saying what he thinks about the refs - too many other managers are afraid to do that. The refs in England are way below the quality of other countries

@85hixy83 2 года назад

When they do they get fined thousands its ridiculous

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@jellyman123able 2 года назад

The photo they used for Warnock 🤣

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@jellyman123able 2 года назад

Its a RU-vid comment section you spoon. Im not greeting him in person

@meatismurder2862 2 года назад

😂

@rhone81 2 года назад

Jim always has the expression of a man trying to convince his wife he's not been having an affair.

@thatitladi9650 2 года назад

😂😂😂😂

@zepp2768 2 года назад

More like Jim White trying to convince himself that his wife is not having an affair mate

@rhone81 2 года назад

@@zepp2768 Now you mention it... 😂

@swiss300173 2 года назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@daveUK1066 2 года назад

It's of my understanding....I've not been slamming your sister Jim is a weasel mate well spotted

@jonathondavis7140 2 года назад

Warnock is spot on, why shouldn’t people be allowed to be angry? The world is so full of people looking to blame someone else for their own actions. Stop trying to take passion out of the game.

@mojorisen7812 2 года назад

Snowflake generation. Toxic masculinity. All normal manly behaviour MUST be demonised. The agenda is everywhere all the time.

@jasonahdjfhsdfg 2 года назад

@@mojorisen7812 spot on mate. I thought I was the only one who could see it. Agendas everywhere all the time. Glad to see there’s more people who can see the media for what it actually is.

@virtuallimit8615 2 года назад

@@jasonahdjfhsdfg You troll people online like a beach and calling about masculinity haha weak

@mojorisen7812 2 года назад

@@virtuallimit8615 English please.

@rextheasbo5431 2 года назад

@@virtuallimit8615 lol predictive text has done you like kipper

@jamieharper2554 2 года назад

Referees are part of the game they deserve the same criticism as anyone else involved. Their decisions (or bad decisions) have an impact on players and managers employment/ longevity.

@paulfrench343 2 года назад

Exactly, they seem to just want us all to be like robots with no emotions. Warnock is bang on.

@MidnightRambler 2 года назад

But when it goes to far. esp the trickle effect down the divisions..abusive parents putting off the next gen of refs.

@UserName-br5zu 2 года назад

These refs make awful decisions when millions of pounds are at stake, why shouldn’t they be criticised?

@kyeiskinky 2 года назад

That’s wasn’t the point. It’s whether he oversteps the line which is up for debate - that’s different from simply being criticised

@paulfrench343 2 года назад

@@kyeiskinky Warnock is well within his right to be angry when refs make abysmal decisions. It’s not like he punched him in the face. Shouting at someone isn’t overstepping the mark. It’s just being passionate about what you do and what you believe in.

@liamtomkins1086 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 with no knowledge of what was actually said how can someone assume it was abuse from Warnock? Yeah he was angry but the ref hasn’t come out and said what he said to him. If he called him every name under the sun fair enough but as usual refs don’t say a word about anything ever

@ryancummins8067 2 года назад

@@kyeiskinky Warnock doesn't overstep the mark, he gives his opinion about the poor level of refereeing in England and the referees association and the FA don't like it.

@kyeiskinky 2 года назад

@@ryancummins8067 I could name several managers that do that, especially in the past couple of seasons with VAR. You could ask - "Why are they not being mentioned in the show". Besides I didn't give my opinion, I was just confirming what the debate within the video was about

@jacobbrucevanderpuye2323 2 года назад

Look at how the presenter is trying to stir the argument

@welshhibby 2 года назад

He’s like the boy running around the playground shouting “fight”

@obiandykenobi 2 года назад

Love it when Warnock goes off it, it's like arguing with your grandad, "don't you think you might go over the top" and his response is "no, I don't agree with that at all" 🤣🤣🤣

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@coreyd5659 2 года назад

This fella wants refs to have no accountability at all, wants them wrapped in cotton wool protected. In my opinion they should be forced to do post match interviews to explain decisions and answer questions

@Akinwalesegun 2 года назад

there is a reason for it..refs get attacks even in kids game..coaches don't even get close to that

@rhone81 2 года назад

I'm 99% certain they tried this a few years (~15?) ago in the EPL and I think most observers agreed it was a stupid idea that shouldn't be continued.

@Awkd 2 года назад

That's a terrible idea

@theviewer5262 2 года назад

@@Akinwalesegun I think that’s reductive and naive. Part of the reason there is a lack of respect for officials that filters down the pyramid is that they don’t have any accountability. They’re seen as anti-football, like the teacher no one respects or wants to listen to in school because they seem so far detached from the experience of young people in their formative years. If officials took interviews after games, appeared human and had to justify their decisions in the way that managers and players do then I think respect towards them would grow and equally their egos may shrink to the point where they showed respect to the game also. In my personal opinion officials being abused at the grass roots level is all to do with the adults in those situations and although what’s seen at the highest level may impact behaviour at grass roots level, those individuals perhaps need to adjust their behaviour and not excuse it by saying it’s learnt behaviour. If you’re screaming abuse at officials who aren’t even paid or are paid very little in a non-professional setting then you’re a moron and that’s on you.

@lewistalbot8035 2 года назад

Neil warnock is one of the last great managers of the game. The game is too silly now

@truetothegame2928 2 года назад

useless; he has done nothing in football ! top clown

@pingu8666 2 года назад

@@truetothegame2928 Warnocks done your mom 🤣

@roryforham 2 года назад

@@truetothegame2928 more promotions than any other manager , what have you done

@swkenny 2 года назад

If he's so good then I sincerely hope he's United's next manager after Wole finally get's the boot. They would make a perfect match! GG & all that.

@truetothegame2928 2 года назад

@@roryforham i save peoples lives,,, thats what i do !

@tonygmichael6434 2 года назад

Jim - 'I know you well Neil and you respect Cassidy blah blah blah" Neil - 'No I don't' :D

@HorizontalLifestyle 2 года назад

It’s called passion ffs the man wants his team to win and the ref had a mare.It’s hardly he went up and knock the ref out ffs it’s bloody words.

@samallardyce2522 2 года назад

warnock is a national treasure !

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@gerryz8216 2 года назад

Warnock made a great point about them never being mic’d up

@robertfarrell6479 2 года назад

Actually he is totally wrong about that point, the referee's actually proposed the idea to have refs wear mics, and it was the clubs who turned down the idea.

@alves4623 2 года назад

@@robertfarrell6479 Well the fact is they don't wear mics and if they did it would be embarrassing so he is kind of right

@robertfarrell6479 2 года назад

@@alves4623 you may be right, but the players would be equally or more embarrassed, since there is no other reason the clubs would turn down the proposal.

@alves4623 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 Of course I know how football works you tewrp. I said they don't wear mics and they don't , what can you not grasp about that

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@starbwoy133 2 года назад

Jim's what we call a sh*t stirer back in the day! 😂🤣

@jailos10 2 года назад

Refs should do post match interviews, that would eliminate all confusion

@garymoore8204 2 года назад

True. But can't see that happening they would be still there a week later

@David-ru4si 2 года назад

Your Arteta's🤣🤣🤣🤣..

@rbo3193 2 года назад

Warnock is a legend…… these refs are portraying themselves like police ……. Fu*koff football is finished

@tw0ey3dm4n 2 года назад

Warnock a legend? F me standards are low from where you're at

@rbo3193 2 года назад

@@tw0ey3dm4n not from an accolades point of view …… f me the sense standards where your from are low

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners, respect, decency !

@danhoppy5517 2 года назад

The refs have gotten progressively worse since they made them full time 'professionals'.

@danhoppy5517 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 I think the standard over the summer in the Euros showed how inept the current crop of officials actually are. And yes, Mike Riley has to take a lot of flack for his part in the downturn. I'd be amazed if any of our refs were officiating in the Qatar World Cup next winter!

@danhoppy5517 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 I've been watching football since the 70's, and I have seen with my own eyes the standards drop. Once upon a time, refs like Phil Don weren't just the best refs in the country, but in Europe.

@danhoppy5517 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 An arthritic, half blind octogenarian would be able to officiate better than this current crop of dross. If the overpaid foreign millionaires didn't fling themselves to the ground and feign injury every few seconds, that might help out, as well!

@lacey7025 2 года назад

Hahahaha "well let's do it now" 😂😂😂

@dash1141 2 года назад

This is like a scene out of Brass Eye

@paulfrench343 2 года назад

Aggressive? Did he punch him in the face? It’s called passion, or should everyone be the same and we’re all like robots with no emotions.

@fusionsuper34 2 года назад

I would rather have someone like Neil Warnock calling out these referees for their idiotic mistakes than let them go unpunished. It's about time these referees needed to be held to account. None of these English referees should even be allowed to be refereeing in international tournaments, even in Europe such as the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League.

@createmistakes 2 года назад

Good on Neil for standing his ground. For too long referees have been wrapped up in cotton wool and been shielded from having to answer for their almost constant mistakes. Maybe if referees owned up to their mistakes publicly they might actually start to learn from their mistakes and improve. If referees start to shoulder some of the blame for their poor decisions managers, players and fans might start to respect them.

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

Raped ?

@createmistakes 2 года назад

@@villagegym7325 *wrapped

@brono7777 2 года назад

Jim lights the fuse sits back and has a smirk on his face the rest of the time

@hmq9052 2 года назад

Warnock's point about headbutting in bars was spot on. Then he went full circle to use the same insult that what the refs say is "embarrassing" Nicely done

@stephenmason9527 2 года назад

One thing is for sure, this makes for great radio.

@Brickhazard 2 года назад

Too many snowflakes these days.

@haroldgodwinson7241 2 года назад

They’re everywhere now

@horacebinns8069 2 года назад

Top man Neil

@kabubagachugu7729 2 года назад

Retire this line. It's bullshit.

@mintywebb 2 года назад

Yeah and Warnock is one of them.

@blackstar7718 2 года назад

@@mintywebb warnock is too old skool to be a snowflake

@taylorbooker4835 2 года назад

We love you warnock! Love to see you back at baramall lane

@simonrodgers3278 2 года назад

Warnock absolute legend...A True Blade at that ....The .Football Theatre will be an even more duller place than already become when Warnock bows out ...Hes a media dream ...Talk Sport should be all over him to become a regular on the shows ....Jordan and Warnock absolute Savages of Truth !

@mr.realist2395 2 года назад

This was quite fun to watch

@darrensullivan6173 2 года назад

This Cassidy is having a laugh I remember Neil at Cardiff surrounding the refs after a joke decision and not saying a word. I’d take Warnock at Arsenal tomorrow

@TheLittlegoaty 2 года назад

Refs and officials are criticised and always have been. That's why VAR has come along. If you wanna be subjected to verbal abuse then being a ref (at any level of football) is the way to go.

@TheRingoLewis 2 года назад

Get the refs wired up !! 😁

@capabilitybrown2323 2 года назад

50,000 volts.

@nicholashunt9522 2 года назад

Yes, go on Neil.

@cyrilrogan4069 2 года назад

Wish we had him at Forest

@mattjones1436 2 года назад

You’d never get football referees wired up because it wouldn’t be able to be broadcast because of the language out of players mouths.

@jpwartist 2 года назад

They Wired up David Ellery way back in the early 90s for a Millwall v Arsenal match. Pretty much everything you said is right. The swearing would have made a docker blush. Tony Adams was particularly bad

@cemmehmet382 2 года назад

He can hate him but u gotta love him a little . Stands his ground

@kieronchard-maple5167 2 года назад

The picture they chose for Warnock 🤣🤣

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners, respect, decency !

@SYKO666 2 года назад

Jim sat smiling, stirring the pot 🥄🤣🤣

@mojorisen7812 2 года назад

Talk sport stirring the proverbial for clicks. Despicable Station.

@hagakure222 2 года назад

Mike 'em up!!

@steaks652 Год назад

Warnock says it how it is, and some don't like that anymore.

@matth6349 2 года назад

Go on Neil

@cockney_red8349 2 года назад

Spot on Mr Warnock.

@kevinmole9982 2 года назад

Neil Warnock is right most of our refs are shocking

@dontdenythetruth400 2 года назад

Only way to top this is if they brought on Austin too 😂

@kylebradleyduckslfgamingra1470 2 года назад

I wish we had more people like Neil Warnock

@kylebradleyduckslfgamingra1470 2 года назад

@@cashwhistle2074 that's why stadiums were empty when brian clough was running about punching the head of people 🐸 ☕ 😂 fool lol

@rohithraman6488 2 года назад

Imagine if Warnock was my grandfather and I broke his expensive vase

@DaleSteel 2 года назад

I've no time for Warwick and I'm a leeds fan but Jesus hes one funny guy

@arsenalrocka16 2 года назад

agree that referees should be mic'd up like in rugby

@stevenwilcox8631 2 года назад

I thought referees were already mic'd up.

@davidmchugh4962 2 года назад

Fair point comparing to rugby refs , the behaviour towards them is much more respectful. My father is a former international referee and now works for Georgian rugby union training refs, his opinion is, if you mic them up it will change everyones behaviour on the pitch inc the referees

@user-ws7nq9xy1f 2 года назад

The euros highlighted even more how far behind Premier league refs are compared to other leagues, even with VAR they embarrassed themselves last season and cost alot of points to teams by being incompetent or even worse biased towards certain teams. They need to to improve massively and the first part of that is admiting they need to improve and they should not be shielded from fair criticism. Mike up and hold them accountable for their actions

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 2 года назад

Referees,Authorities cut from special cloth Can only make Mistakes Cant be Corrupt?😂😂

@bobux1987 2 года назад

The treatment Boro have had from refs over the years is ridiculous

@chrisrowe7503 Месяц назад

The referees really think they’re above everyone in football don’t they. Most are corrupt, taking backhanders, refereeing in matches involving their local teams and they are killing the game. VAR has exposed this even more than was known about it before VAR came out. Fully support Neil Warnock with what he’s saying in this interview.

@samsneek4569 2 года назад

That Martin guy was a fool of a man

@guitarhero883 2 года назад

The most important question is , where are warnocks eyebrows 🤔

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock !

@iainradcliffe4203 2 года назад

I'm a boro fan Up the Warnock!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

His name is Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@jonnymaddog6474 2 года назад

Well done Neil Warnock

@jonnymill5520 2 года назад

The ref fella is a wool

@seanforbes3937 2 года назад

What a legend Warnock is. And a very successful coach considering how his side's have performed without him

@omzm9992 2 года назад

He got lined up 🤣

@weSnooker 2 года назад

Warnock shouldn’t change his ways for anyone, he’s been in the game far longer then most of us. Respect your elders!! Warnock is a legend!!

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@Alberts_Stuff 2 года назад

Yeah we didn't want to hear the whole conversation, so glad it was edited 🙄

@cr-xb1jv 2 года назад

It was a blatant headbutt by Austin tho

@redordead4491 2 года назад

Remember kids are watching ya! We can't control parents pal!

@cameronswinburn8101 2 года назад

Totally agree with this fella, Warnock’s behaviour on the touchline has always been disgraceful. If he’s so good why does he feel the need to act like a knob on the sidelines every week?

@rusticgeek9400 2 года назад

Although I dislike NW. as he said he’s an easy target for the media, may I add that NW is a fully qualified referee. He may not have put it into practice but he knows the game inside out. When you see the officials in rugby union and the support they get during a match it’s evident that football is years behind in terms of officiating. The technology is there they just choose not to apply it in the modern game, if they clean up the game the media will have nothing to talk about. Hence why VAR is a half baked effort and never improved upon they want the controversy to keep the media turning

@weSnooker 2 года назад

Look how well Warnock handled the Sala tragedy at Cardiff - top top bloke!!

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@weSnooker 2 года назад

@@villagegym7325 sssh

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

@@weSnooker No i won't sshh, get some manners !

@weSnooker 2 года назад

@@villagegym7325 sssh ssssh

@jamieharper2554 2 года назад

Wasting your time a scouser will argue to the death, they're never wrong! Can't back down because their ego won't let them.

@deejarrett4267 2 года назад

I see Warnock as a PE teacher...you know those ones you get at tough schools who have been there for about 50 years. He's the kind of bloke that takes all the really badly behaved, rough tough kids and teaches em some 'fookin manners'.

@bodyblow Год назад

not just that. he cares about his players

@stuart6517 2 года назад

I started referring at 14 in 1994 and what you see in grass roots now we saw back then. Okay it's not as bad as now but society has changed. Martin Cassidy needs to look at the real issues. The Fa's are the problems they don't refs at all. I quit after I was attacked and the Locsl FA did nothing. Cassidy needs to look at the real issues

@johnwalsh1990 Год назад

Neil Warnock is actually a qualified referee he knows what he's talking about whereas how many referees have actually played football,most of them don't know what a physical challenge is like,even a fair shoulder charge is deemed to be a foul.

@wmurray689 2 года назад

Neil Warnock should try refereeing a game at Step 3 and see how he gets on...

@wmurray689 2 года назад

But he doesn't do the job.

@Josh-ph2gu 2 года назад

Even poor arteta gets abused in this argument which has nothing to do with him. Banter FC

@regs_j 2 года назад

Why? He's always moaning at refs.

@Graham19781 2 года назад

Not enough men like Warnock in football for me. Too many yes men/ puppets/ robots. I find Chris Wilder a bit similar, just everyday football blokes who have real passion

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@fredfox1764 2 года назад

WELL SAID WARNOCK

@jpwartist 2 года назад

Boro went well over a year without a penalty when Warnock became boss. Some of the decisions were criminal.

@sithemperorpalpatine870 Год назад

Referees in this country are shocking. My club is in the championship, and the refs there are so bad. I dread to think how bad they are in League one and two. Neil Warnock is a legend and tells it how it is.

@victorian-dad 2 года назад

Proper old school manager. Wish there were more like him.

@justoli9039 2 года назад

Warnock is spot on with what he's saying here. Refs are not trained to the standard that Warnock believes the game needs.

@norochmusic 8 месяцев назад

Warnock has a point, you would never get refs wired up like in rugby, not 100% on the refs if you ask me that though. he's down to earth and to the point, passion is needed, he doesn't tread on eggshells!

@gleneasterbrook9879 2 года назад

Very truth why don't they wire them up life the other refs, but then I flip it and I would also say it's probably because the players say stuff that is bad also.

@andrewflynn7821 2 года назад

Who’s Martin Cassidy nobody, Neil well done 👏 for standing up for him

@markoo70 2 года назад

At least Warnock tells the truth, not the sterilised monotone rubbish most come out with

@nimzylott3666 2 года назад

Big up Warnock, real legend of the game.

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@lewisdevs98 2 года назад

Refs in the football league and premier league are amongst the worse. They need to be held accountable

@TwofourA 2 года назад

Got to respect warnock doesn’t sugarcoat anything

@Scott-bh2qb 2 года назад

It wouldn't be a Talksport comments section without a bunch of folk crying about snowflakes.

@jonathondavis7140 2 года назад

Most people are snowflakes though. Everyone is dying to be offended by something.

@theviewer5262 2 года назад

It’s embarrassing how much protection the officials get. Week in week out they do a pathetic job - they get protected more than anyone else in the game. They don’t lose their jobs when they make consistently poor decisions, they aren’t scrutinised nearly as much as the players after a game and they take no responsibility. They aren’t interviewed straight after a game, they never justify their decisions publicly and they think they’re above people like Neil Warnock who have actually impacted the sport and achieved things. If they were interviewed after games, were fitted with a microphone during play and were punished for poor decisions more firmly then managers and players would show their displeasure less towards them. The officials get an easy ride whilst doing an abysmal job.

@sparky6847 2 года назад

Warnock spot on with the 🎤 up comments, so many refs don't have a clue. They just follow directives and do what the authorities want them to do. It makes a mockery of the good referees who try to officiate a game in the right way.

@villagegym7325 2 года назад

You mean Neil or Mr Warnock, get some manners !

@kyledean3638 2 года назад

This is coming from a manager that said jagielka should’ve been sent off why one of his players elbowed him and made him bleed and didn’t get penalised